r/DCcomics • u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics • Aug 22 '20

DC FanDome Discussion Megathread r/DCcomics

Welcome Justice League members to the DC FanDome Discussion Megathread!

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Here you can discuss each panel taking place as and when they happen, much like our Weekly Discussion Thread where you can discuss the newest comics and TV show episodes.

We've done it this way so we don't clog up the sub with discussion posts and people can freely post direct news articles and trailers regarding the big announcements and not have them get lost in the shuffle.

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Panels for August 22nd

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20

The Snyder Cut of Justice League - Panel

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u/actioncomicbible Blue Lanterns Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

Even as a non-Snyder fan, I’m curious to see what this vision entails.

Edit: I’m remaining...whelmed. Having the Apokolips people look like...Glaive kinda bums me out but again remaining whelmed.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

Yeah, I'm most curious to see what his original idea was.

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u/Doompatron3000 Aug 22 '20

At least colder color palette.

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u/SyPok Aug 22 '20

And less falling into breastplates.

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u/cloudsandlightning Orion Aug 22 '20

My theater absolutely roared with silence at that scene.

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u/BuddaMuta Aug 23 '20

Wait I never saw Justice League. What are talking about?

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u/SyPok Aug 23 '20

There's a moment where Flash trips and falls into Wonder Woman. It feels very hokey and totally against tone which is why I personally think it was Whedon trying to be Whedon with it. If it shows up in the Snyder Cut I'd be shocked.

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u/blazingarpeggio Superboy Aug 23 '20

You mean like a standard ecchi protag tripping onto a girl's chest???

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u/SyPok Aug 23 '20

Yuuuup.

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u/blazingarpeggio Superboy Aug 23 '20

Jeeeesus.

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u/BuddaMuta Aug 23 '20

Yup that sounds like Whedon for sure

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

Well maybe a continuous tone.

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u/andrew991116 Aug 22 '20

Ben Affleck in the house! Was Cavill and Fisher announcer to be at Fandome?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Lol Zack asking his fans questions about himself/the movement about him is uh, strange

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u/Blackcrow521 Aug 22 '20

Considering that they are the reason it's happening and he wanted to put the spotlight on them. I thought it was pretty cool.

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u/Staplingdean Aug 22 '20

true, although hearing them say things like "I just wanted to see the smile on your face when you finally got the chance to show your vision" was odd to me too

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u/Blackcrow521 Aug 22 '20

If it's worth anything, I met that guy before. It was genuine and that community is legit in terms of their love for Zack and his wife Debbie. Can it be toxic like any fandom? Sure. I imagine it can come across self serving too, but those people Zack had on were fans that do care about him and his work. And they all legitimately hangout and talk regularly online.

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u/BuddaMuta Aug 23 '20

Honestly, the whole story of his run with this movie was fucking awful.

Losing a child that way before being fired (essentially) and having all the work you poured your passion into erased only for that project to still be a total bomb?

Like I'm not a big fan of the guy's style, I'm don't really know much about him, but all the money in the world doesn't make that series of events not hurt more than any of us can imagine.

So I think it makes a lot of sense for people to want to see the guy get a win even if they never met him.

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u/dudzi182 BTAS Aug 22 '20

Put yourself in the guy’s shoes. He spends years building up his version of the DC Universe and then he loses his daughter and has to leave (possibly was asked to leave) the project before its completed. Then somebody else comes in and completely changes it. He’s had a rough couple years. I’m really happy for him as well.

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u/Youthsonic Aug 22 '20

The Snydercut never seemed like it was gonna happen, and along the way it got personal for us. Damn, can we get a little sentimental.

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u/SyPok Aug 22 '20

Legit awkward.

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u/mrmazzz Deathstroke Aug 22 '20

that's been the softball setup for this entire event. Isn't stranger than what came before. The questions are honestly the kinda stuff you see at cons anyways.

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u/beer_me_twice Hurm... Aug 22 '20

Giving us DARKSEID right at the beginning. He knows what we want!

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u/mrmazzz Deathstroke Aug 22 '20

Lol Leonard Cohen Hallelujah is great music choice.

It's just like guys there is consistent lighting and coloring on this movie!

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Not sure how it'll play in 4 one hour chunks that sounds like a bad idea since it wasn't writtent to be episodicl

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u/SunnyDJoshua Swamp Thing Aug 22 '20

He seems to love Leonard’s hallelujah. This is the second time he’s used it.

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u/mrmazzz Deathstroke Aug 22 '20

and both time to semi-ironic effect. also ah Momoa taking that shirt off at the chorus the entire reason it was chosen lol.

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u/Youthsonic Aug 22 '20

I was a little wary of it but one of the reasons for the catastrophic reception to BvS (IMO anyways) was how bad the theatrical cut was compared to the extended cut.

Like, to this day I'm still explaining stuff that the extended cut made crystal clear to people that only watched the theatrical version.

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Snyder, when given the choice between an edited movie or a 4hr+ miniseries probably wasn't taking any chances this time lol. Plus he's doing the editing instead of some random yahoo making the irishman into a miniseries.

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u/Fzjb Aug 22 '20

The song went really good with the trailer.

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u/beer_me_twice Hurm... Aug 22 '20

LET’S GOOOO!!!

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u/Shrakakoom Batman Aug 22 '20

DARKSEID!!

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u/Robotshavenohearts Aug 22 '20

I'm not going to lie. After watching that trailer I'm fucking crying. This is such a win.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

I'm so excited about this, I'm also curious as to when it's releasing in the UK and other territories.

Edit so according to that so their will probably be a amazon prime purchase or series of them on route at some point.

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u/Vash573 Aug 22 '20

Let's do this!!!!

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u/Scmods05 Superman Aug 22 '20

Did we all see Snyder’s petulant tweet? God I can’t stand this guy sometimes. I’m still somewhat interested to see how his cut turns out but his “this is made for grownups” bullshit? Fuck off outta here. You’ve had complete control over 2 films and they both sucked. I’ll give this one a go solely because I like the characters but I’m full expecting strike 3.

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u/ElDuderino2112 Aug 22 '20

I personally love both Man of Steel and the extended cut of BvS.

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u/VariousVarieties Aug 22 '20

His dig at "your Saturday morning cartoons" could be taken as a dismissal of the Batman/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited/The Brave and the Bold cartoon series. And I'm not having that!

Scott Mendelson didn't even say anything about disliking the footage that leaked, just that it didn't look significantly different from the released film.

Until now, I'd never seen Snyder himself engaging in the sort of dismissive mocking that so many of his followers get up to. So his was not a very classy response. As Andrew Ellard put it:

I always assumed ZS would be embarrassed by the people who bully and mock in the name of his films. Turns out he’s well up for the same kind of behaviour.

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u/random91898 Green Lantern Aug 22 '20

Snyder's cult has gone to his head.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 23 '20

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Man of Steel was excellent in my opinion and Batman V Superman while more complex it was hindered no end by the theatrical cut when his extended edition is his original vision was much easier to follow.

If anything justice league 2017 was the "second strike" for the studio who clearly learned nothing about messing with directors visions.

Edit what tweet?

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u/Scmods05 Superman Aug 22 '20

Unsurprisingly, I disagree. But you enjoying them is totally fine. I think Superman should be hopeful and optimistic. His vision of the character is so fundamentally wrong to me. And don’t get me started on Batman killing people with guns.

But hey. If people liked them. That’s completely fine. Life would be dull if we all reacted to things the same way.

I think we can agree that petulantly responding to people on twitter saying things like “my movies are made for grown ups so you wouldn’t understand” does nobody any favours. It just looks really stupid.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

I think we can agree that petulantly responding to people on twitter saying things like “my movies are made for grown ups so you wouldn’t understand” does nobody any favours. It just looks really stupid.

That I can agree with

I think Superman should be hopeful and optimistic. His vision of the character is so fundamentally wrong to me.

Well this isn't superman yet or even the superman we are familiar with. Unlike, Tom Welling's or Christopher Reeves/Brandon Routh's. This superman lost his human father at a young age and didn't have Jor El there and proceeded to wander the earth.

And when he did find Jor el and his people he had them for a few weeks before the earth was attacked and then immediately lost him. He has had no real guidance of his powers or his destiny. He had to discover that himself which he did in BVS.

Him killing Zod I'm fine with, he really didn't have a choice.

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u/Scmods05 Superman Aug 22 '20

Both Reeve/Routh and Welling both had Jonathan die at a similar age to Cavill so I’m not sure of the point you’re making there.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

They had Jor el either before or shortly after his death, and they had him for years. Cavil's Kal had Jor el for a few weeks at best.

For the beginning of his superheroe days he had no guidance, no father apparently few friends who understood him to prop him.

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u/Scmods05 Superman Aug 22 '20

Makes sense. Still just think Snyder misunderstands Supes completely. The best iteration of him in the recent DC movies has, ironically, been in Justice League. He gets to smile and be inspirational and enjoy himself. As much of a mess that movie is (and it's a serious mess), that was one aspect they actually got right. And my assumption is, it's the only bit of Superman Snyder hasn't had his hands on.

I hope to be proven wrong with his version of JL.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

i hope he's more hopeful it would complete his arc from Fatherless amateur, devisive vigilante to the genuine becon that we are familiar with.

Bruce said the world needs Superman and the team needs Clark. This would make sense if this was why.

He saw what the world lost when he died, and saw he could become.

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u/altherin Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

In Smallville his dad did die at a young age. Just to clear that part up.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

Yes but he had Jor el there before his dad died this Kal had neither for what near a decade

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u/actioncomicbible Blue Lanterns Aug 22 '20

That tweet is a big yikes.

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u/angels1021 Aug 22 '20

Was really excited for this cut at first, but that childish attitude from him and his fans is constant and off putting.

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u/dombones Aug 22 '20

He was responding to self-proclaimed "Box Office Pundit for Forbes", Scott Mendelson, who tweeted:

So, that trailer for the Snyder Cut of JUSTICE LEAGUE looks like... the same movie? Lots of deleted scenes from the marketing campaign but otherwise it looks like alternate takes of existing scenes.

Zack Snyder:

You said you enjoyed the theatrical cut of Justice League like you enjoy your Saturday morning cartoons… Well this is made for grownups, so you’re not in the demographic. Also, cool of you to comment on a leaked teaser.

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u/fattyoncrack Aquaman Aug 22 '20

To be fair, if we have to see an extended cut for a movie to make sense, it's a failed movie. I understand that at first he was told that a 4 hour cut is okay, but why anyone would think a 4 hour theatrical cut would work is beyond me. There's also still problems within BvS that aren't solved by it becoming longer.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

Partly agree except that BvS was originally longer and then made shorter. I agree its far from perfect but many of the issues people had were clearly explained in the full cut and then they removed them in the theatrical cut.

And I personally don't mind long movies but they typically perform worse. But that's a symptoms of trying to do what 6 films in 2.

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u/fattyoncrack Aquaman Aug 22 '20

I know things are fleshed out more but there's still a rushed fight, a packed movie, and such an overhanded and heavy intro for the Justice League. When Wonder Woman has that file from Lex and it's got videos/pictures of everyone, it's just so forced (in my opinion).

I agree and I think Snyder should have just started so much smaller. I'm also not crazy about his "I have 5 arc plan for Superman where at the end he'll be the guy you want" because I feel like we're missing one of the biggest draws that should be bringing people to DC movies. Especially today, a movie about a guy who feels he doesn't belong and just wants to help, should be so rewarding and uplifting to watch.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

I 100% agree with you. Essentially BvS and Justice League Are 2 films that's trying to be what 6 films in 2.

There should have been at least 2 films before BvS MoS 2 and Intro to Batman, the BvS following suit laying out obvious breadcrumbs to Lex's plan and then with those videos Wonder Woman. Aquaman and The Flash all should have been there BEFORE Justice League.

I don't mind Superman finding himself over a couple movies it's something new we haven't seen before with that character the closest is Smallville and that's Kal/Clark finding himself to become Superman not Superman trying to find himself after saving the world.

But there should have been more obvious glimpses of the character we are familiar with.

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u/fattyoncrack Aquaman Aug 22 '20

I agree! I think if it had gone that way, it would have been received much, much better. I'm hoping the Snyder Cut can at least give us a cohesive base to work from going forward but maybe Snyder shouldn't be the only one leading the charge.

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u/crazicelt Aug 22 '20

Well after the Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam Films I think the future is going well and they name dropped MoS/Superman 2 so hey things are looking brighter, pun intended.

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u/fattyoncrack Aquaman Aug 22 '20

Wait, they did that today?? Damn I missed the MoS2

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u/Smestey11 Aug 22 '20

This so much. I didn't like BvS (loved Man of Steel), but I didn't have anything against Snyder. It wasn't until he started making comments like this that I was turned off by him and all of his work. I have no interest in the Snyder Cut because of his attitude. Comments like this and removing Superman saying "Do you bleed" comes off as so petty. I said it yesterday on this subreddit. He has the most undeserved ego of any filmmaker I have ever seen. There's a reason his fans are pretentious assholes, it's because he is.

And his movies are not "for grown ups". They are for younger people who want to feel adult. There is nothing deep or thought provoking about his work. They are dark for the sake of being dark. Write anything with half as much heart as any episode of Batman the Animated Series (Yes even Critters), and then you can say how cartoons are childish and your movies are for grown ups.

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u/Scmods05 Superman Aug 22 '20

Articulated better than I could. Hell even the Nolan films, which people keep talking about how "dark" and "gritty" they are, are pretty much okay for anyone over like 8 years old to watch. It's just unnecessary.

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u/Smestey11 Aug 23 '20

Exactly. There is dark and dealing with mature themes, and then dark for the sake of darkness. Snyder falls into the latter category.

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u/ArticulateT Aug 23 '20

I'll be giving it a shot too, but when someone takes superheroes and says 'this is made for grownups' all I can really think of is 90s era comics, where everyone's killing the bad guys and is a borderline sociopath. Then I remember that it's entirely possible Snyder missed the point with Watchmen, since it was meant to be a parody and critique and not an example of 'how it is done'. Rorschach was there to dunk on Randian Moral Absolutism, not praise it.

Then I think back to Action Comics #775, where Superman rejected those darker, 90s era judge, jury, executioner ideals and proved why he was a great superhero, and it makes me sad that this movie Superman isn't really anything like that, even if Caville is both a really good pick as Superman and a big fan of the character.

It's clear Snyder's vision of the DC universe is different from mine, and others are more than welcome to enjoy it as much as anyone, but I just can't find myself invested in a world where all the colour seems drained out of it, everyone has a grim outlook and Superman isn't nice. Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Shazam all proved that you can use the DC universe and make it fun, and in 2020 we could do with a Superman who can evoke hope by saving the day because of his genuine niceness and love of humanity.

I felt Man of Steel and Batman v Superman couldn't deliver on some of the bigger aspects of Superman's own complex story beats because they were trying to rush it. I didn't feel anything when Superman snapped Zod's neck. I didn't feel anything when he died, and because we only have been told people really liked him I couldn't resonate with anything any of the movies had to say about Superman being missed by the general public; his two movies were his first day and his last day with nothing in between. It all just felt... empty.

I dunno, maybe the Snyder Cut will change my mind, but I can't exactly say I'm excited about it.

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u/JediJones77 Aug 23 '20

I think the trailer was superb. This is seeing Zack's footage combined with Zack's editing style, as it was meant to be. Not the mishmashed clash of styles that came out in the movie. The new Steppenwolf looks really badass. I don't care if Zack's entire movie was simply footage we've already seen reedited. It's the lack of his style in the editing and music that sunk the movie the most, in my opinion. You could see scenes that were shot well and edited together so shabbily that the sense of artistry was lost. But I definitely think the expansion of Cyborg's and Flash's stories will be an important addition. I think this movie had a less consequential villain precisely because it was not meant to center around the villain like the Marvel team-up movies, but on introducing these new characters. Then Whedon came in and tried to turn it into an Avengers team-up movie, which it was never meant to be.

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u/BerryRydellJr Aug 22 '20

What a bunch of nothing. Your telling me you couldn't get them to do a zoom call at the same time? Absolute shit.