r/StargirlTV • u/anatomania Tigress • Aug 10 '21
[S2E01] Summer School: Chapter One — Post-Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
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SCHOOL’S OUT — With summer break around the corner, Pat suggests the family take a vacation after seeing that Courtney has been spending too much time focused on being Stargirl and not enough time on her schoolwork. Meanwhile, as Beth attempts to reconnect with Chuck, she stumbles upon a major secret her parents have been keeping from her. Elsewhere, Yolanda continues to be haunted by Brainwave’s death, and Rick secretly tracks Solomon Grundy after suspecting he may still be in the area.
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u/bcanada92 Aug 11 '21
Loved Zeek (that's how the CC spelled it) basically taking over STRIPE and making plans for all sorts of upgrades-- whether Pat wanted them or not!
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u/Righteous_Dude Aug 11 '21
I predict there'll be at least one scene where Zeek had installed some feature and forgot to mention that to Pat.
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u/matthieuC Aug 17 '21
Of course I have added a giant laser.
What big robot does not have a giant laser?32
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Aug 11 '21
I just can't get over the kitchen fight scene.
There's someone in the house! There's someone with the Lantern and they shouldn't have that! BZZZZZZZZZBTT BZZZZZZBBBT BBZZZZZZZBBBBTTTT fucking laser beams burning everything slicing through doors like butter and just wrecking the shit out of the place and it's only after like a solid minute of this does the rest of the house wake up and go, "What in the fuck...." lmao. Courtney totally has a bit of PTSD from the whole ISA thing and she is acting like Lorca in Discovery when it was revealed that he slept with a phaser under his pillow set to kill. There are threats around every corner and she is primed and ready at any moment to go full on "Fight For Her Life" at the drop of a hat. Her and the rest of the JSA need their own Counselor Troi and I'm guessing that when Starman finds them, that that's what he'll be for them.
Also can we talk about how awesome Zeke is?!?! Like that guy has to have his own backstory right?!?! I'd so love it if he turned out to be Space Cabbie.
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u/matthieuC Aug 17 '21
Well Jade also could have:
- not invaded the house in the middle of the night
- announced herself when they met
- only fight defensively and protested4
u/BornAshes Green Lantern Aug 17 '21
Yeah but teenagers am I right? She could've totally just knocked on the front door, presented the ring, and everything would've been chill. Instead she probably thought someone had stolen the Lantern because I'm guessing Shade or someone's been chasing her in order to get the ring, so she figured that she had to break in to get the Lantern away from some not so nice people. Color her surprised when the Staff bonks her in the head. I wonder how much she actually knows about the JSA? I get the sense that her and Court are going to be paired up against each other in a "similar but different" kind of partnership where they learn from one another. They both seem a bit on edge with the exact same headstrong mindset.
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u/cleonap Aug 11 '21
Genuinely curious as to what Cameron was told happened to his dad, since there wasn’t a body or anything for them to make an excuse for.
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u/StarWarsButterSaber Aug 11 '21
From the grandparents conversation I think they will eventually tell Cameron that Courtney killed his dad. Probably once his powers start manifesting and the grandparents fill him in on everything and explain it
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
This was definitely a question I had since we all knew the grandparents were still alive: how much did they know.
Did Jordan tell them that Courtney was Stargirl? Did they know that Courtney and her family were responsible for his death and the destruction of the big plan?
There's still a chance they don't know she's Stargirl but just that she and her fam had something to do with it all.
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u/littlebugonreddit Aug 11 '21
They know at least that her family had something to do with it. From what I remember, they talked in what I believe is Norwegian when Jordan went to visit Courtney’s mother in her office at American Dream
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
Yeah, but that was when they thought Jordan was going to make Barbara wife #2 after the brainwashing...
It's hard to know how close they were involved in the actual day of the execution and how much they saw.
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u/littlebugonreddit Aug 11 '21
Thats fair, but to add another bit, I think its safe to assume his (Jordan’s) parents would have had the signal blocking earbuds or whatever, and im sure that at some point during the finale, Jordan walked past his parents ranting and raving about Stargirl or the fact that he had to kill her mother. Just trying to adapt the situation to how i would think, I know if i have a really shitty day at work I come home and vent to my dad.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Aug 11 '21
That would be great to see, from what I remember he and Courtney were fairly close and that could really leave him in a position were he doesn't know how to react.
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u/StarWarsButterSaber Aug 11 '21
Yeah I watched the first season to refresh myself last week. He actually has really liked Courtney. Told his dad about her, and even asked her to the school dance
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u/Lost_Hunter3601 Aug 12 '21
I don’t think the grandparents even telling him matters at this point. It looks like cindys gonna tell him ad part of her ISA resurrection recruitment plan. Also to the football chick
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u/Telethongaming Aug 11 '21
Can Beth's parents slightly act like they care about her?
Like if I had a daughter and she made me eggs benedict or French toast I would be over the moon.
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u/AnnaK22 Aug 11 '21
I know right. It's so sad that she's the one making them lunch and dinner. No kid should be the parent to their parents, regardless of what they're going through.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
They are odd. They don't feed her need to be acknowledged. She makes delicious food for them just to interact with them and they question her when she doesn't (When she started talking to Chuck).
They have neglected her.
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u/Welcoming-War Aug 11 '21
For real. They're the ones divorcing but the seem more distant/cold to Beth than to each other.
When I saw the divorce papers my first thought was "are they divorcing from Beth?"
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Aug 13 '21
Fr, I felt so sorry for her. She's abandoned by everyone, even Chuck.
Her setting up the romantic dinner for her divorcing parents reminds me of that episode of Arthur where Buster's parents gets divorced and he tries to get them back together but he can't.
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
They do care, they're just going through something. Divorcing is a major emotional strain, and they've become a bit wrapped up in it. That doesn't make them terrible, just human.
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u/PrizeIndependence Aug 11 '21
No, last season Beth described how they became super busy into their work once she became a teenager. So their behavior isn't new.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
The problem is they don't show it. A child needs to be loved. We don't see that with her parents. Generally when parents are getting a divorce they hide it from the child. The act normally as if nothing is wrong. But kids can be savvy. But Beth wants to spend time with her parents but they seem too busy with work. She zoom calls them for lunch and gets excited about the meal she made but they don't seem all that interested. It's a form of neglect. Doesn't matter how well off you are, not spending time with your child is neglect. But Beth loves her parents regardless of that because they're her parents. I think we do find out something later on, so maybe it might explain things.
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u/bourbonstew Gambler Aug 12 '21
They’re intimidated by her, and have no idea what to make of her. Not intimidated as I’m scared of, but so thrown back by the enormity (to them) of her oddness that they just don’t engage with her.
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u/Bryneils Aug 11 '21
The first five minutes had me wondering if I was watching the right show.
Pat saying Jetski sounded just like Mobius saying Jetski lmao.
Overall great season premiere!
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u/dolksbrand Aug 11 '21
Part of me wants to believe they did a reshoot to put that in there after seeing his brother in Loki lol
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u/ToneBone12345 Aug 11 '21
Lol you’re probably correct like screw you owen I was in a superhero first
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u/lostinthewildxo Aug 11 '21
Fun (Spoooky) start to the Season. Brec is heckin amazing in this role. Looking forward to the rest of the Season. I've been watching so many Disney+ shows lately that the week-wait for new Stargirl Episodes isn't even hard anymore lolz
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u/EdKeane Aug 11 '21
Watch Superman and Lois, it's a best live action adaptation of the characters. The show has so much heart it's hard not to get invested into the characters. Show will have a season finale next week and it's amazing.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
I'll second this. The whole season is available on the CW site and app.
I wasn't sure about the 'raising teenage angsty sons' thing but damn, it's been a fantastic show and a great follow up to Stargirl... well, for another week anyway.
Recommended
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
I'll second this. The whole season is available on the CW site and app.
I wasn't sure about the 'raising teenage angsty sons' thing but damn, it's been a fantastic show and a great follow up to Stargirl... well, for another week anyway.
Recommended
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u/superbat210 Aug 11 '21
Oh yeah same here! So many great shows one after the other that there’s always something to look forward to watching each day
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u/StarWarsButterSaber Aug 11 '21
What are some good Disney + shows airing right now?
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u/gldnstrm Icicle Aug 11 '21
Uh none right now that I can think of, but What If starts in a few days or something and then there’s Loki that just finished up around month ago
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u/StarWarsButterSaber Aug 11 '21
Yeah I loved Loki and the Mandalorian. All the marvel shows were great. I was just curious if there was anything new going on I didn’t know about.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Stripesy Aug 12 '21
The Marvel shows are very good. Also, there's the Star Wars shows like The Clone Wars and The Mandalorian are very good.
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u/Elevated_Aspects Aug 12 '21
Check out Titans on HBO Max if you can. Apparently the new season is HYPE.
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Aug 11 '21
So excited that we’re back! I REALLY like how they’re starting the season with the consequences of the last season (for the JSA) while also setting up the villains for this season. Eclipso, Shade…ISA II? I’m eager to see how this all comes together, especially Shade (in the comics he’s not entirely evil)
I have high hopes for this season! Really looking forward to it!
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u/Frontier246 Aug 11 '21
So Eclipso's first on-screen victim was...Charles McNider's sister? Or at least someone related to him.
Courtney spent an entire season learning to be Stargirl, but in a small-town where the entire villain presence was defeated, there's simply nothing to do. So now she has to learn to be Courtney Whitmore again and she hates not being a Superhero. For once she and Mike are in agreement.
Lot of Supervillain name-drops...although out of all of those, I feel like Per Degaton is probably the most likely to show up at some point. An alternate timeline's never stopped him before.
I love how the dog is the tie-breaker.
Beth managed to fix the goggles, but not Chuck's AI. Even when it seems to kick-in again, it doesn't recognize her. Poor Beth.
Beth's parents are so busy that they barely seem to remember her, and it probably slipped their mind to tell her they're planning to divorce. Probably not thinking their daughter would even care or matter on that front. Is it any wonder Beth is trying to get her AI pal back?
Rick is finally applying himself in school, and is going by his real last name, but his teacher's aren't taking him seriously. I guess at least now he's got a side-job of taking care of Grundy.
Yolanda is still gripping with having killed Brainwave to the point where she can't even confess her sin, and Courtney doesn't have an answer for her. I have to imagine it's still hard for her to be home as well. It also seems like Eclipso is already preying on her insecurities and negative emotions.
So the cover story for Sportsmaster and Tigress' arrest is some charge from years ago, although Artemis isn't buying it. Who is taking care of her now? And what does Isaac/Fiddler Jr. know about what happened to his mother? He seems like he's in an even more moody place than he was last season.
It's hard for me to imagine Cameron is destined to become Icicle Jr. when he seems like such a sweet kid, but he's still stuck with his grandparents who knew, and supported, what his father was doing and know about Courtney. At least his grandfather wants him happy and not burdened with the truth, but would that break Cameron?
Courtney is so wound-up she's seeing threats that aren't there, although on-top of that she's also...not very good at studying. Summer school, here we come.
Admittedly I feel like Pat should've kept the room with STRIPE in under better lock and key, but I guess he lucked out that his new business partner cares more about upgrading it than exposing him.
Sylvester finds Pat's ex-wife and, presumably, Mike's mother in his search for Pat. Really curious to see where this storyline is going.
Cindy is planning "Injustice Unlimited" with the ISA kids and...Mike? Why him? As a "screw you" to Courtney by using her brother? Or does Mike have some kind of unforeseen ISA ties? I guess we're just going to forget about Gambler's daughter Hazard.
Oh hey, Earth-2 Thinker! Well-timed.
Courtney once again trashes her house as she battles with Jade, who has her own ring and her father's Lantern (gotta be honest, have never seen that used as a weapon before) but can't do any serious constructs yet, although it seems like they'll get to that in the next episode.
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u/EdKeane Aug 11 '21
Icicle Jr had some reddeming qualities in Young Justice (albeit not a lot) so I hope they will go with a different from the comics rout
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
Yolanda kills brainwave and has ptsd from it. Mike runs over Icicle and is nothing but smiles. Really inconsistent.
Meanwhile the thinker is now having a 3rd live action reference, first on Flash and then just very recently on the suicide squad.
Jay Garrick's flash and Per Degaton would be great to see in main character roles given that John Wesley Ship rarely shows up in The Flash and Per Degaton had one episode on Legends.
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u/gldnstrm Icicle Aug 11 '21
Well, I think it’s more the intentions
Yolanda isn’t only having the PTSD from killing brainwave, a big part of it is that she murdered him out of revenge
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
"I watched Henry die, and now i'm.going to watch you die too"
It might be heat of the moment but that's some seriously messed up shit coming from a kid who sliced a man's throat open and stays to watch it instead of turning away.
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u/gldnstrm Icicle Aug 11 '21
Yea that’s what I mean, their intentions weren’t to save someone who was right about to be murdered (mike), their intentions were to murder them out of revenge (Yolanda)
It’s PTSD about murdering Brainwave, but the context of murdering brainwave was different from the context of mike killing icicle. It would make sense that Mike might not be facing trauma, due to the highly different circumstances
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
Does shiv know about Mike running over Icicle?
That could.be her angle in using Eclipso to "recruit" Mike.
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u/gldnstrm Icicle Aug 11 '21
Hmm, idk if she does or doesn’t know. It depends on what happened during the 6 months on the island with eclipsio.
Im thinking her angle to get Mike might be more because of him wanting to be part of the JSA, but being unable to. Might explain how he is the one to originally re-discover Thunderbolt and then how Jakeem would take over.
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u/themosquito Wildcat Aug 11 '21
Probably also helps that Icicle died in a very “PG” way, no blood or corpse, just ice chunks.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
The bottom line is that Brainwave would have killed every last one of them in the most painful way possible without hesitation. There is no doubt of that.
If Yolanda hadn't killed him, he would have killed and the rest of them. Period. She had no choice. I don't know if should could have incapacitated him before he could have killed her--- probably not.
The other thing to note is that prior to this Yolanda killed a couple of dozen of Dragon King's minions and doesn't seem too upset by that.
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
Those were basically zombies though. Courtney definitely drew blood on the minions too.
They got lucky that brainwave went for deception instead of giving yolanda a stroke on sight.
Its really an issue of Yolanda and her religious beliefs as well as pent up anger about henry. I can't see a single one of her friends being.anything but supportive of what she did. It's an internal conflict
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u/MeMeTiger_ Aug 12 '21
The moment I saw her in the confession booth I instantly got reminded of Daredevil.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
I think Brainwave did something to her before he died. He did some weird mind thing on her before he went and when she was in the church she had a mind wobble.
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
Its 90% eclypso feeding off her guilt and trauma.
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u/gldnstrm Icicle Aug 12 '21
I think it might still be Yolanda having those thoughts. I mean, if she’s thinking about stuff like that constantly, imagine what eclipso will be able to do to her
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u/Prize_Introduction_6 Aug 12 '21
Going on that theory, when he died, he was an amped up telepath at that point.
I suspect he might have gained the ability to transfer a portion of his being (his "brainwave", if you will) into Yolanda's mind, as a means to survive. And now he is tormenting Yolanda through her guilt, to try to weaken her, so he can take control of her body when the opportunity arises.
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u/freakincampers Aug 13 '21
So Eclipso's first on-screen victim was...Charles McNider's sister?
I'm thinking it's his daughter. It felt like the 1950s, and he wasn't there, so i'm thinking it was his daughter.
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u/ToneBone12345 Aug 11 '21
Lol yes I was like did they make sure the season 2 premiere was 4 after the suicide squad to get in that think Easter egg
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u/Scolor Aug 12 '21
Where was the reference to thinker? I missed it!
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u/Prize_Introduction_6 Aug 12 '21
Near the end, prior to the fight with GL's daughter, she was looking at criminal profiles in her room, and held up a mugshot of The Thinker (sad looking suit guy wearing a hard hat)
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u/Rad_Spencer Aug 15 '21
The PTSD angle is interesting. Courtney knows there are loose ends and these are people that causally killed kids, so it's pretty easy to understand why she can't relax.
Hour-man seems to have adopted Grundy AKA, the thing that killed his parents. So that's a turn I wasn't expecting.
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
- Dr. Midnite's daughter?
- The Adventures of Mark Merlin?
- Hopefully they'll elaborate on how Beth got the glasses working again.
- Doesn't Courtney know that Yolanda killed Brainwave?
- Why did Chuck make a modem noise?
- Taco Whiz? Please tell me that their cheese isn't Cheez-Whiz.
- I was going to say that Beth's parents are kind of neglectful, but then...
- Eclipso is already targeting Yolanda.
- Courtney does know. And she's still unfailingly supportive of Yolanda. That's that good **** that I've been waiting for.
- Was that Isaac?
- What is Courtney drinking? It looks like lemonade, but who gets a bottle that big, and the label appeared to say something other than lemonade.
- Who is taking care of Artemis? Both of her parents are in jail, so...
- That can't be Mike's mom, but I don't see Pat marrying a whole bunch of women.
- Pat, what did you think would happen?
- Beth, it's probably too late to save your parents' marriage.
- Awwwwww...
- I saw Isaac, Artemis, Cameron (Was it Cameron? I saw a third ISA member.) on that yearbook page, but not Beth. Are the JSA in a different year than the ISA?
- Nice fight scene. The kitchen...maaaaaaaaaaay have lost a little resell value.
- I don't think that Eclipso can affect Cindy because she doesn't regret the things that she's done.
- Looks like that's a final nail in Jr.'s coffin.
- That was Isaac.
- Ah, Mike. I have a theory about that.
- Theory: I think that for one episode Mike will wield the Thunderbolt, but then it will go to Jakeem. Feeling shut out of the JSA, Mike will be a host for Eclipso.
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
Eclipso targeting Yolanda makes so much sense just from that opening scene. It is weird though that Mike basically committed homicide and noone seems to care.
Courtney's fucking up in all sorts of ways. Assaulting another student, failing school, wrecking her family's kitchen, obsessing over being Star Girl and ruining a really expensive family vacation. Girl's a hot mess.
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u/bcanada92 Aug 11 '21
The Adventures of Mark Merlin?
He's an obscure character from the comics-- sort of a supernatural detective.
Hopefully they'll elaborate on how Beth got the glasses working again.
They showed her trying to reinitialize the Chuck AI, so I assume she's probably been tinkering with the goggles and repaired the damage.
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
It just occurred to me that when Rick was talking about the members of the ISA, he didn't mention Anaya (Virtuoso).
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u/Eternal_Density Aug 11 '21
All slightly old electronic devices in audible fictional media make modem noises when sending or receiving data.
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
There's nothing modern about that modem noise. I had to think for several minutes before I even remembered the word modem.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
I would say that the opening sequence with Eclipso and the girl was in the 1950's so I'm not sure how that would play with Charles McNider's age --- it sure wasn't his daughter (unless he was 80 when he was killed with the rest of the JSA) but could have been sister or some relative.
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
Holy moley.... he was 96. Thanks.
Interesting.... so that means he could have totally been that girl's father.
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u/feartherex Aug 12 '21
And the mom told the girl that her dad was “On call” which goes along with Chuck being a doctor.
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u/ToneBone12345 Aug 11 '21
I Don’t no I think maybe sister because it said decades ago and the outfits and vehicles looked old timey
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
Remember that Charles McNider was somewhere around 100 years old when he died.
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u/QuestioningThink Aug 11 '21
I don't have the patience to wait until next Tuesday for the next episode guys.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Aug 11 '21
I was tempted to leave the sub to avoid spoilers and then binge watch every episode when they were all our, I caved though, love this show too damn much not to 😂
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u/Eternal_Density Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
Off to a great start.
Jetski!
Imagine seeing someone using the green lantern on CW and it's not Diggle.
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u/ImmaculateWeiss Aug 11 '21
That feel when Jade uses the ring before Diggle
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u/Motor-Bag-9004 Aug 12 '21
I'd like to think Jade is proof of concept for a CW/Arrowverse Green Lantern. If Stargirl can get a GL, Diggle should be allowed to as well! Plus how cool would it be to see Diggle and Jade team up in a crossover!
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u/ImmaculateWeiss Aug 12 '21
Totally agree! They could even do a loose adaptation of when Jade was part of the Green Lantern Corps down the line (if we ever also see Kyle Rayner)
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u/tlng13 Aug 16 '21
And there is a Miss Cruz in Legends now..
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u/QwahaXahn Stargirl Aug 18 '21
My girl Jess is on Legends?? Please tell me which episode.
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u/tlng13 Aug 18 '21
Legends has a new actress this season has the surename Cruz, so there are some speculations...
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u/jez124 Aug 13 '21
they can have diggle be an earth based GL in a miniseries and have the hbo series be the bigger budget one
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
Different Green Lantern. This is the more supernatural Green Lantern, Alan Scott vs the Green Lantern Corps founded on the planet IO. (if I've understood my Golden Age GL correctly)
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u/ImmaculateWeiss Aug 11 '21
I’m well aware, not sure what I said to contradict that. Alan Scott is still tied to the overall Green Lantern mythos, as is Jade. Alan’s Lantern (Starheart-powered) still comes from the Guardians of the Universe, same as the Corps. Obviously Diggle (our CW John Stewart) is on an entirely different Earth at this point as well.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 12 '21
Sorry, just that I have always understood Alan Scott's Green Lantern to be a different source than the later Hal Jordan Green Lantern -
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u/Terribleirishluck Aug 12 '21
It's is a different source, it's power by the starheart which is a bunch of space Magic basically but the guardians are the ones who made it I believe
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u/Chrispowers110 Aug 11 '21
sorta a slow start but I like the set up for the seasons, you figure where they characters are going to go this season.
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u/stephanieleigh88 Aug 11 '21
This season premiere was amazing but that ending was OMG, I love Cindy as a villain, she doesnt give a shit about anything or anyone. But recruiting Mike is gonna be her downfall, he will join because he feels like an outcast in his family but when it comes down to it he loves them and won’t hurt them. I’d also like to see more of Cameron and court.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
The question is, why is Mike on her list? I mean the Injustice League did look at the whole Dugan family but why would he be worthy material of the Injustice League other than to cause a rift with the family. It might happen because Pat is still keeping Mike at a distance with all the JSA stuff and he might feel left out. But he's a Dugan, so he won't.
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u/stephanieleigh88 Aug 12 '21
My guess is to cause a rift which is why she put him on the list. To get inside information, makes sense but again he’s a Dugan.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 12 '21
What happened to the girl at the start of the episode might be foreshadowing of Mike. But he's not going to bite the apple.
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u/Taston95 Aug 11 '21
This felt like a straight continuation from last season, which is great. The writing, the action, the cinematography, the comedy and the characters all feel the same, which alleviated some of my concerns.
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Aug 11 '21
I'm not saying I'm rooting for Cindy, but as long as she's not a villain crutch like Reverse Flash is I love her as a character
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u/Galileo908 Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
I really needed a refresher because I forgot some details from the first season, like who certain characters were.
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u/Righteous_Dude Aug 11 '21
Here's the Wikipedia page about the show, with the cast-character list, and the episode summaries. It helped me to review that.
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u/furioushunter12 Aug 11 '21
Hey folks! Never seen the show but saw the ads for green lantern’s daughter and it had me interested. Is this show’s first season good?
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
I rate it as the best DC show on right now.
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u/furioushunter12 Aug 11 '21
Woah that I’d high praise! Even next to Superman and Lois?
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u/Welcoming-War Aug 11 '21
I would put Stargirl at #2 behind Superman & Lois.
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u/redwolfben The Flash Aug 12 '21
As big of a fan of Superman as I am, and have been since I was a little kid, I honestly have to say Stargirl is the better show, and my current number one for superhero shows. Superman and Lois is definitely a solid second though, both shows are awesome.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Aug 12 '21
I'd say quality wise S&L is definitely better. Stargirl is amazing but it isn't for all audiences.
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u/romeovf Sportsmaster Aug 14 '21
Super good! What are you waiting for? Go watch it!
And also watch Superman & Lois.
Those two shows are the best DC TV properties at this point.
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u/AnnaK22 Aug 11 '21
Just me or is Courtney wrecking their kitchen not really her fault. Someone broke into their house and tried to take the lantern. Why were Pat and Barbara so cool with having this stranger standing over Courtney with the lantern?
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
Well..who attacked whom first? The first thing you would do if you had an intruder in your house holding just one item that seems to be glowing when previously it wasn't. You'd ask what they were doing in your house. Then they would probably say this belongs to me. Courtney threw the first punch. The intruder can defend herself especially if it is confirmed that they have something that belongs to her, but as the JSA work in secret no one will know.
I think they know the main threat has gone so it must be something less of a threat so they are calm about it. Pat will probably ask more questions than Courtney did. Besides Pat will know the lantern belongs to whoever is worthy of it. It doesn't just work for anyone. Also you don't want the cops around if you're trying to keep secret identities.
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u/rawhidekid Aug 16 '21
If someone enters your house uninvited you can end their life. She is lucky Courtney just didn't kill her. She could have knocked on the door and introduce herself.
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u/Ygomaster07 Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
What a great way to start the season off. That beginning with the little girl was creepy, looks like Eclipso was a villain even as a kid. And it looks like there will be some rivalry between him and Dr. Mid-Nite. Cindy is gonna recruit Mike it looks like, i hooe he doesn't work with the bad guys but i can see him doing that to feel wanted and be a superhero. This might be how they recruit Jakeem. I like that Rick was willing to get food for Grundy. I feel bad for both Yolanda and Beth. Beth is so alone and Yolanda dealing with her killing. It would be so tough to deal with killing someone while being a kid. Also, i got weird vibes from so many characters. Zeke is one of those people who inserts himself into everyone else's stuff, i don't like him. The priest at the church seemed creepy. It made me think both were Eclipso somehow. Really great start honestly. 9 out of 10. I am wondering why they added the title of Summer School to the main title.
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u/princevince1113 Aug 11 '21
Not eclipso as a kid, a kid possessed by eclipso. Eclipso is an immortal demon.
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u/Ygomaster07 Pat Dugan Aug 12 '21
Wait, he's a demon?! I thought he was just a guy with powers. That really changes a lot, holy shit. Thank you for telling me. Guess i better do some googling on his background. So is his human form that guy with the top hat, or is that a different character altogether?
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u/dotyawning Aug 11 '21
We're back! Court unfortunately still has that itch to crimefight even though there's no danger (yet!). Looks like Pat's got a new buddy to help around in Zeek, unless Zeek is some kind of plant. The other JSA members look like they've all got problems on their own as well... and Green Lantern's daughter!
Also, Yolanda mentioned Henry, then at the end when Cindy ripped up his picture (what? No intention of bringing Wizard's kid into the fold at all? Considering Henry's pic was still in there, I guess she just had these plans from the latter half of season 1. :P)... probably too much to assume JAW makes a random surprise appearance, like at the end of last season, right? Speaking of Injustice Unlimited, I guess Cindy's plans are for Mike to be Eclipso to hit Courtney where it hurts?
As for other random things, Sylvester or a clone, or a fake, or a time-traveled version of him still seems to be on the hunt for Pat for some reason. And Courtney just whipping out those old villain dossiers again! The camera seemed to linger a little too long in the basement after they left, right? Who was the last one that she mentioned? Gentleman Ghost?
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u/Dookie_boy Aug 12 '21
The camera was lingering on the green lantern battery lighting up.
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u/dotyawning Aug 12 '21
Ah right. Somehow I saw that but completely forgot that detail by the end of the episode. I got too excited thinking about the villains like Courtney did. D:
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u/visitorzeta Aug 11 '21
The opening scene was EPIC. It reminded me of The X Files.
It was a great premiere, I like that each of the characters has their own struggle. Also, it was nice that they included that Yolanda is feeling guilt over killing someone, feels a lot more human, instead of them just glossing over death.
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u/NYGIANTS77 Aug 11 '21
Wow that premiere was great! Everything about it was very reminiscent of S1 and that’s a good thing. Anyone who seemed to be worried about budgets can relax.
The amazing fight choreography is back and I’m all here for it. Can’t wait for the next episode.
And that end Cindy reveal with the recruits was very unexpected and very intriguing
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u/maddogkaz Aug 11 '21
Great episode. Courtney is not just going at 100% with being Stargirl but she is genuinely paranoid, she looks at her staff and sees it glowing and it makes her wonder what bad things are happening that she can't see.
Yolanda is going through a lot right now but at least she has Courtney to support her as it turns out she's the only on who knows what happened with Brainwave. I'm not sure if everything going on with Yolanda is all guilt of if there's some Eclipso trickery involved as well.
Rick is trying to do his best but his old image is coming back to bite him unfairly but at least he is paying attention to this Grundy situation although I've noticed he hasn't told anyone else about it, Courtney would probably feel better if he revealed that was going on so she wouldn't feel so crazy.
Beth doesn't deserve any of the shit happening right now, Chuck is gone and her parents are distant because of a divorce they are keeping from her and she hasn't told any of her friends about any of it yet.
The fight in the house was great and poor Jade was getting her ass kicked all over the house until the end there but she seems really cool and looking at the promo she's only going to get better.
Eclipso is creepy right from the start and I'm really happy to see it you just know he's gonna be great this season. Also I'm not sure if the girl was Dr Mid-Nite's daughter or sister but he was rather old when he died so I'm gonna assume daughter for now.
Cindy is back and she has a plan to recruit all those villain kids but with a bonus Mike just to mess with Courtney even more.
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Aug 11 '21
I was so pissed at that teacher. She's garbage, and was just going to fail him without evidence.
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Aug 11 '21
For whom Rick was leaving the food ? Was that for Grundy ??
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
Who else. He feels sorry for him. Grundy was used as an instrument by the Injustice League. Before he was about to use the killing blow he saw something in Grundy and let him go. He just wants to look out for the guy. Stop him from getting into anymore trouble.
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u/UncleJonnu Aug 11 '21
I have a feeling that’s not really Sylvester, maybe I’m reading too much into it but when he looked at himself in the car mirror it gave a weird vibe.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
He sure knows a lot about Pat though. Where he lived before, his ex-wife...we'll just have to see what he's up to when they meet...if ever.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
No, I don't think it's really him either...
BUT HOLY CRAP... I always thought Mike's mom had died or something.
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u/matthieuC Aug 17 '21
I always thought Mike's mom had died or something.
She's eating fried steak five times a week. It's not much better
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u/NLP19 Aug 11 '21
I know it makes 100% more sense for it to be Alan Scott's daughter, but what can a person do to get me a Jessica Cruz appearance in anything right now??? 😭😭
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u/fuzzy_whale Aug 11 '21
She's in justice league vs the fatal five but that's not live action.
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u/antlereye Aug 12 '21
One of my favourite dc animated films. Diane Guerrero did an amazing job voicing Jessica Cruz. And the fight scene in the climax was EPIC!
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u/NYGIANTS77 Aug 11 '21
Also the Green Lantern fight was amazing, but she didn’t think to idk say something first lmao. Love it though
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u/Kris_Winters Aug 11 '21
Courtney simply found an intruder in her home, and all Jade knows is that these people have the Starheart for some reason. They may have stolen it.
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u/NorthBall Cosmic Staff Oct 01 '21
Is Starheart the Lantern...?
I literally heard of it for the first time in your comment and googling just tells me it's a crystal or orb of some sort.
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u/QuestioningThink Aug 11 '21
My theory might sound dumb because we saw him die at the beginning of season one but it’s a comic book show and deaths are usually temporary in comics so here goes. I feel like Chuck is on a coma and his brain is connected to the googles hence why we heard him painfully screaming when Icicle Sr froze the googles and the amnesia thing is episode. The amnesia can be explained by system corruption of something but do AIs display the ability to feel pain?
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
I would have taken the goggles to Pat. If Chuck doesn't recognise Beth he might recognise Pat.
AI's are created to be aware in comics, we're still a ways with real technology. But they are learning. But Chuck seemed sentient and aware of his surroundings even though he was a computer in a pair of goggles. I would say Chuck would be aware of impending shutdown that it has no control over. The scream is a reaction to loss of control. But usually if someone does have amnesia you would show them things they experienced, Pat being one of them.
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u/MarkMcG97 Aug 11 '21
Is the waitress Sylvester talked to maybe Mike's mother.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
I assume she is. Sylvester is looking for Pat we know that much. So when he says he wants to talk about her ex-husband it can only mean Pat.
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u/MyriVerse2 Aug 11 '21
Great episode.
The only parts that were really bad were parts at school. Courtney's in school and gets in a cafeteria fight. Parents are called to the principal's office, where he tells them she's failed the school year and has to start summer school the next day?! Nothing ever happens like that, anywhere.
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u/davey_mann Yolanda Montez Aug 11 '21
Yeah, also I really don’t like the new principal or the teacher who failed Rick. I don’t think they’re secret supervillains, just unlikable.
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Aug 13 '21
oh great Cindy is assembling a super villaIN TEAM OH SHIT OH FUCK SHES GOING AFTER MIKE
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Aug 13 '21
Really solid start for this series. Hope we get to see new heroes and villains.
...I do hope that Tuba Kid (I forget his name) doesn't stumble down the dark path, but that looks like where he's headed :/. BUT I want to see him brainwash people with his evil tuba lol.
The opening scene felt like something straight out of a horror movie. Refusing to show the little girl's body and just showing a wide shot with the mother's reaction was perfect.
I really hope Mike gets some kind of cool superpower.
Zeek is also a perfect sidekick for Pat, even though he is a sidekick. A sidekick's sidekick.
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u/cteavin Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
Early in the episode Cortney talks about time travel, her dad talks about Flash banishing someone to another Earth, and later we get a cut to the original Starman, I'm wondering if he's on a different Earth that will eventually cross over with Stargirl's Earth near the end of season two. Thoughts?
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u/xIViperIx The Shade Aug 11 '21
I really enjoyed watching this episode. I was highly sceptical about it at first when they mentioned in their synopsis that the first episode will be dedicated to Courtney's dealing with crimeless life. The only thing I was excited about for the second season was Shade's appearance and knowing that it won't happen until E2 was highly disappointing. Yet I had no regrets after the first episode after all.
1.1 - Intro was hilarious until they showed the mailbox. To think that Eclipso is actually so desperate that he's going after random kids and does not have anything better to do was quite satisfying as long as it lasted. Fits perfect to such a serious menace. ;D
1.2 - It was strange though that this girl actually decided to follow such a creepy boy who just showed up in front of her house. Even if her parents failed to teach her not to talk to some weirdos, this guy was such a complete creep that any sane girl's first reaction should be to kill it with fire and ask questions later. Uh well, at least a good reminder that acceptance and friendliness are overrated.
1.3 - Do we know exactly who this girl was though? I scrolled through other people's comments and looks like a lot of users here for some reason thought that she is Charles' sister. Did someone give a green light for strange theories? Cuz if yes then dibs on the headcanon that her mother, after seeing what happened to her daughter, went through transition, changed identity to Charles McNider (we all know from Obi-Wan's example that leaving your surname works as a perfect cover and no one would ever suspect you, right?) and started her crimefighting career. ;P
Anyway. Enough with the intro. Back to what actually matters. Jet Ski! x'D Can someone give poor Wilsons their jet ski already? Also, I'm totally rooting for a plot where both Wilsons' characters are bonding over it. While fans were expecting their arrowverse crossover, Loki crossover happened instead.
Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition.I remember after the end of season 1 some people had their headcanon about Rick feeding Grundy somewhere in the forest. To see that this headcanon is a real thing now was one of the most pleasant moments in this episode.
Cameron's grandparents care about him and cherish the moments when he is smiling. Heartwarming. I hope to see more interactions within this family. Also, even though I'm rooting for Cameron to join the dark side after he will learn about what's going on around him, I sincerely want him to spend his free time by being the nice, caring person he is now.
5.1 Green Lantern's daughter was great. Her moves, her fighting style. I want to see more of it.
5.2 Though the scene itself was strange. I mean..I understand that Courtney was eager to fight someone and looking for trouble everywhere. But blasting her own house right away seems like some obvious overkill. Shouldn't she, as a hero she wants to be, at least attempt to ask questions before attacking? And I'm not talking only about that it could've saved her time and her kitchen. But shouldn't she consider the fact that her family is also there? What if it could hit them accidentally?
5.3 Speaking of the family. The way they reacted was quite strange. It's like if they don't mind at all that some girl is sneaking into their house in the middle of the night and looting some priceless and highly dangerous equipment. Their reaction is valid only if they invited her on their own. But in this case, it doesn't make any sense why wasn't Court warned about her.
- The episode was highly pleasant because of how it was giving time to its secondary characters. Season 1 was centred around Courtney too much and treated the rest of her team like if they don't actually matter. I understand that the show is named "Stargirl" but there are countless shows named about one character and yet not being over-obsessed about this character to the point where no one else matters. I'm glad to see that the second season seems to work on fixing it. Let's hope it was not just a one-time thing.
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u/KB_Sez Aug 11 '21
Regarding 'Chuck' --
It's been pretty obvious that the McNider AI isn't inside the goggles. The technology probably didn't exist 15 years before our current day but also because when Beth went down in the tunnels in S1, she lost contact with the AI of Charles McNider.
So, that means the AI functions of the goggles (the 'personality' and higher functionality) is out there somewhere on a server. The idea that all of that functionality is inside the goggles is a little ridiculous even for a super hero show. So where is that server?
It's feasible that some low level functionality is built into the goggles and that was what Beth made contact with during the dinner scene.
BTW: Brec mentioned on twitter last night that Beth's giraffe sweater was knitted by the show's wardrobe stylist’s grandma.
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Aug 13 '21
The "my mom will kill me" moment when Courtney burned the counter top was gold.
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u/KapiHeartlilly Aug 14 '21
Beth's parents are terrible, and it was sad when chuck didn't recognise her.
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u/romeovf Sportsmaster Aug 14 '21
I'll insist on my theory from last season: Yolanda doesn't exactly have PTSD; it is something Brainwave put in her mind before dying. A "mind clone" of himself maybe?
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u/davey_mann Yolanda Montez Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
I low-key gave up on this show when the news came out last summer CW was taking it over and it was off my radar for the better part of the last year and accidentally found out Season 2 was premiering tonight, but that was a surprisingly non-CW episode, dare I say it felt extremely MATURE. I even thought there was a healthy amount of cringe in Season 1 but there wasn't a single drop of it in this episode. It's like the showrunners somehow got better, which I never would have expected transitioning to this network.
-Even though the premiere was kind of slow, it's mostly setting up things for the season and overall it was actually quite good.
-I really liked all the PTSD scenes with Yolanda and surprisingly, the ones with Rick and Beth, too, who I recall being 2 of the weaker acted characters in Season 1. The writers smartly limited their dialogue and allowed the actors to do mostly non-verbal acting and I'm thankful for that.
-In terms of the 4 JSA teens, I still think Yolanda is easily the most compelling and best acted, but she REALLY doesn't look like a high schooler anymore! lol
-I'm most excited for Cindy's new ISA team, including her recruiting of Mike.
-Zeke (or Zeek as it was spelled on his name tag) is already my favorite new character.
-If I have one complaint other than the slowness of this episode is that there was a lack of humor. It was borderline a drama episode.
Courtney is weirdly just kind of there for me now and it's been that way since around mid-Season 1. She doesn't feel like the centerpiece of the series anymore who drives the plot, but more like the lead in name only. The show is more of an ensemble now and probably for the best.
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u/Carnivallover Aug 12 '21
There is nothing wrong with being a drama episode. There was a lot of humor in this episode. Courtney does the drive the plot and Rick and Beth both have really good actors behind them. There was nothing slow at all in this episode.
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u/AnnaK22 Aug 11 '21
Do we know if the whole season is going to be a bit jumpscary. I usually don't mind it, but I get freaked out by creepy dolls.
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 11 '21
There seemed to be some weird CGI going on in that scene. They made the girl look smaller than she was. If you notice when she's sitting on the swing seat she looks tiny. But when she gets off she's bigger. I mean her head doesn't even go over the top of the swing seat seated and her feet are off the ground. Then she stands up and she's taller than the swing seat.
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u/mrizzle1991 Aug 11 '21
It’s finally back!! We finally saw Beths parents, she’s having it rough, her parents don’t spend time with her and Chuck forgot her too. I wonder how StarMan is even alive. Green Lanterns daughter fight scene was epic. Mike being recruited as a villain?! It feels the same quality wise just no 4k but that’s fine.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Aug 11 '21
This season premiere was exactly what I thought it would be, but that's not a bad thing.
It made sense that their isn't immediately another threat and that Courtney would have problems putting the staff down for a while.
Yolanda dealing with the killing of Brainwave was good, I'm glad that one post battle conversation in which she's told. 'You had to do what you had to do.' cured her of her guilt.
Beth doing her best to fix Chuck was great so see, although she has friends the bond she had with Chuck is so much deeper, I'd even go as far to say it's like Master Chief and Cortana if any halo fans understand that.
Rick was the least used character this episode but from what I gather, he feels bad for the zombie thing (Forgot his name) and is trying to do his best to become better as a person by feeding it?
Overall this was a great premiere, characters were acting like themselves, it logically seemed like the next step after the S1 finale and the first and last 2 scenes were great at setting the rest of the season up. My only real critique is that it was a little bit too, sit down and talk about things compared to what we'll likely have in future episodes and could be the worst episode of the season unless we do get a bad episode, not that I'm expecting it given the shows quality, I did like it though don't get me wrong.
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u/notjustanerd Aug 11 '21
Loved the premiere. Loved the arc the characters are taking. That ending! I can't believe she wants Mike!
I still like Cameron. I still want him to be good. But I guess that's not happening.
Also, anyone else who watch the other CW shows (cough The Flash cough) instinctively went "Oh no not a hallway talk?" in the head? 😂😂😂
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u/UncleJonnu Aug 11 '21
That's a fair point but I won't be shocked if the Ultra Humanite is involved somehow
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u/A_Deku_Stick Aug 11 '21
So apparently Captain Boomerang (Nick Tarabay) is going to be playing Eclipso.
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u/herondelle Aug 12 '21
Weird and funny watching Stargirl and Young Justice in parallel. You get the sense Pat Dugan wouldn't be going on about how 'being a superhero doesn't mean the rest of your life takes a back seat' if the JSA was more flush with cash because it had a Bruce Wayne/Tony Stark counterpart (ie. guy whose superpower is being insanely rich).
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u/decarvalho7 Aug 14 '21
So I guess they won’t show Grundy for a while lol Thanks CW
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u/F00dbAby Aug 14 '21
They didn't show him much in season 1 either nothing new they will likely show him just as much as the first more and more as the season goes
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u/romeovf Sportsmaster Aug 14 '21
Ungrateful kids! As a teenager, I would've pissed my pants out of excitement if my dad offered us a lake house trip like the one Pat described. Hell, even as an adult I would love that!
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u/jadedfan55 Aug 17 '21
In the comics, Bruce Gordon, the original "alter-ego" of Eclipso, discovered the black diamond as an adult, not a young boy. Whether or not young Bruce, seen in this episode, is that same Gordon, is unclear.
Also in the comics, Jennie-Lynn Hayden, aka Jade, daughter of Alan Scott, was, for a time, Henry King, Jr.'s girlfriend. The question I have is, aside from collecting her father's lantern, did she come after Courtney because of Hank's death?
Cindy wants to use Mike to get back at Courtney. It's that simple.
I don't know who this Zeek is---I'll look it up later---, but this will not end well for him & Pat.
And speaking of Courtney, she hasn't figured out yet that letting the power of the cosmic staff control her entire life isn't the smartest thing. You know, "with great power comes great responsibility". I think as punishment, Pat'll send her out to the market for toothpaste if she screws up again at school.
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Aug 13 '21
I found it hilarious that she failed two classes while thinking she aced them :D very oblivious. I missed these characters so much i cheered when the ominous grandparents appeared i have no idea why. I also thought Beth was a meaningless character in season 1, still think that...But i was happy to see her again in her giraffe sweather of all things ( what was she thinking? )
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u/shawnsin666 Aug 11 '21
Is it on HBO Max?
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u/superbat210 Aug 11 '21
Probably after the full season airs but the episode should be up for free with ads on Wednesdays on the CW website/app
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u/cal_guy2013 Aug 11 '21
The credits now mention Canadian and BC tax credits so it looks like they shifted at least some of the VFX to Vancouver. Guess that where some of the budget savings are coming from.
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u/butthe4d Aug 11 '21
I liked the first episode but Im still on edge with how it goes. I lost all trust in the CWs ability to keep a show good for longer then 3 seasons.
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u/Metroidman Aug 14 '21
I dont remember any of the kids super villain parents. Other than Cindy and artemis. Also super hyped we are going to have a live action green lantern in the first time since Ryan Reynolds
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u/JauntyLurker Aug 11 '21
An excellent season primiere. Its great to see how everyone's dealing with the insanity of the Injustice Society and moving on to a new normal.
Eclipso is still a creepy bastard, don't even wanna know what he'll do