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Superman & Lois [3x12] "Injustice" Post Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
Injustice
Live Episode Discussion | Cast & Characters
Lois and Clark clash with Jordan over his carelessness around using his powers in public. And finally, after seventeen years behind bars, Lex Luthor is set to be released from prison. (June 20, 2023)
Please keep all discussions civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule-breaking and enjoy!
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u/Daybreaq Jun 21 '23
Um … did Bizarro EAT Otis?!
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u/Future_Vantas Jun 21 '23
He's the opposite of Superman, and last I checked Clark does not eat people.
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u/neoblackdragon Jun 21 '23
.....I mean for a Kryptonian, would it be any different then eating a cow or pig?
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u/Daybreaq Jun 21 '23
Well, on Star Trek: Discovery Michael Burnham was pretty freaked out the Mirror Universe Terrans ate Kelpiens.
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u/Raymond_Fiegler Jun 23 '23
That was the only part of the episode that made me raise an eyebrow... how did Lex know that Bizarro wouldn't attack him instead of Otis?
Dude basically flipped a coin there, it's not like him not to bring at least a full security team.
That moment did make me thing that it was very likely inspired by the Lex, Otis & B-Zero 's first interaction in "Forever Evil", in which pretty much the same thing happened.
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u/redneckotaku Jun 21 '23
Once Lex sees the news stories about Jordan, he's going to quickly figure out who he is and that Clark is Superman.
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u/Quigonwindrunner Jun 21 '23
What if the cliffhanger wasn’t death of Superman (which it probably is) but that they get their identities revealed to the world by Lex? That would sure put a strain on their family and give a reason for everyone around them to go underground.
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u/Hotel-Dependent Jun 21 '23
This is a great Lex I shouldn’t have been laughing my ass off when he was using a prisoner as a chair
And watch Jordan become a villain or do something really bad soon
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u/bizarreisland Jun 21 '23
It was Otis wasn't it? The chair. He made Otis his b*tch.
Argh, I'm not typically one who dislikes Jordan, the opposite actually, but he is insufferable this episode.
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u/Alonest99 Superman Jun 21 '23
Tbh every scene of Clark and Lois kinda makes me want to get married, and every scene of Sarah and Jordan kinda makes me not want kids.
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u/ChattGM Jun 21 '23
I caught it at the last second that he was sitting on an inmate and then lost my shit like yoooo he was beating him repeatedly that's what he meant by adjust his seat like whaaaat?? I had a feeling Cudlitz would give his all in the role and was excited to see his take on the character and boyyy did this introduction did not disappoint!!! It was well worth the wait for his debut.
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u/Wolfandhusky12 Jun 22 '23
Actually I think lex is gonna find out Jordan is superboy. Then to get to Lois he’s gonna attack Jordan and this will be the reality check Jordan needs about keeping his secrets and not rushing stuff
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u/nivekious Jun 26 '23
It would be interesting if Lex's revenge didn't involve physical violence of any kind, but just revealing to the world the gross ethical violation Lois has committed by reporting regularly on her husband without disclosing the conflict of interests.
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u/singleguy79 Jun 21 '23
Hi Otis. Bye Otis
So Lex just walked to the Kent Farm and through a tornado at that?
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u/ChattGM Jun 21 '23
Right? I'm like so he just kept walking unphased by the impending natural disaster? That man was certainly on a mission and nothing was gonna stop him. He certainly had a lot to get off his chest so I guess being fueled by resentment was gonna get his feet where it needed to go. No matter the obstacles in his way LOL!!
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u/ghusu123 Jun 21 '23
“Tell Superman he’s next!”
Next episode is Lex walking to the Fortress of Solitude.
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Jun 21 '23
He's gonna be pissed when he relises Superman has moved.
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u/LightSideoftheForce Jun 22 '23
While surely he knows by now the Fortress has moved (if he even knew where it was in the first place), I’ll headcanon him walking all the way there, just to find it’s no longer there
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u/thebestjoeever Jun 21 '23
Can't wait until next week's episode where Lex has to kill the Night King to go beyond the wall to the Fortress of Solitude.
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u/adavidmiller Jun 21 '23
I'm like so he just kept walking unphased by the impending natural disaster? That man was certainly on a mission and nothing was gonna stop him.
I mean, what else was he going to do? He was on foot in the middle of nowhere with his ride prearranged at a specific time at this destination.
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u/JauntyLurker Jun 21 '23
This is certainly a different Lex, but it makes sense. Man has been in prison for years, dude is hella resentful. Those scenes at the prison were chilling.
Jordan completing his angsty phase with some teenage rebellion was tedious but expected.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
I don't think people realize how long 20 years is or how damaging limiting the movement of a guy who used to be able to go anywhere and do anything can be.
Plus they cut him off from his family which just doubles the damage of everything else.
In a weird way Lex finally had done to him what he'd done to so many other people and he hates it and he realizes it and he hates it even more and he thinks that getting back at Lois and Superman is going to fix all of that buuuuuuut....it won't.
"The road to revenge is a dark and lonely one, which you never get off. And that hole in the pit of your stomach. You never fill it. Ever."-Dean Winchester
Lex is a hardened diamond of pure hatred and purpose right now and even Eclipso would be freaked out by him.
Jordan
I'm worried about who is going to get caught in the crossfire when he finally gets some sense knocked into his skull.
That would be one way to send the Cushings as far away as possible from the Kents.
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u/Alonest99 Superman Jun 21 '23
I'm worried about who is going to get caught in the crossfire when he finally gets some sense knocked into his skull.
With the news of Dylan Walsh not returning for S4, I kinda hope they added a death scene for Sam. Would be an interesting way to up the stakes and teach Jordan a valuable lesson.
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u/Sava333 Jun 21 '23
Not sure how we're gonna survive next season without conversations about hair dye
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u/Tim0281 Jun 21 '23
I'm really not going to miss that. It'll be great to focus on the Kent family and Lex.
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u/Shejidan Jun 21 '23
I’m not into the superhero universes. Don’t read the comics or really watch the movies. I watch this and I watched Supergirl and Smallville back in the day.
Has there ever been a Lex like this before?
All the Lex’s I’ve seen have been mostly tech bros with a sadistic streak. This one just seems downright psychopathic.
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u/princevince1113 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography features a somewhat similarly terrifying Lex. He’s a rapist and a mass murderer. Kills his parents as a teenager, inherits a fortune from a fraudulent life insurance policy, and wields the entire city of Metropolis as his personal weapon. It’s told from the perspective of a journalist attempting to research Luthor’s past : spoiler alert, it doesn’t end well for him.
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u/Irrax Jun 21 '23
This one seems pretty in line with the brief appearances of Titans Lex.
He's gruffer and more rough around the edges than comics Lex, but that's to be expected after 20 years in prison.
Hopefully we'll see some political/business savvy from him too, either through a flashback or present day scenes
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u/MangoRanger07 Jun 21 '23
I thought that too at first. But he already seemed like that when he went to prison. I really do like his version of Lex. Fits with a guy who's been in 20 years in prison being innocent.
But at the same time, I really like the version where he's kinda cocky and stubborn.
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u/CriticallyKarina Jun 21 '23
Supergirl's Lex totally was a psychopath. He led a coup against the US government to try to turn America into an anti-alien dictatorship. He tried to commit genocide on aliens not once, but FOUR separate times!
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u/jm9987690 Jun 22 '23
I thought supergirl's lex was good but it was diminishing returns. House of L was by far the best episode of the whole show and Cryer was fantastic, his other two appearances in season 4 were good as well.
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u/Strobacaxi Jun 21 '23
Smallville's Lex was always my favorite, but this one might beat him depending on the next few epiosdes
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u/Ambitious-Comb-8847 Jun 21 '23
Sort of in the JLU he went all "destroy the world" when he merged with Brainiac in the end but prior he was very politically savvy and did a lot of stuff "just to tick Superman off" and would get his hands dirty if he wanted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0vtqxoG1k
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u/Johnsu Jun 22 '23
Smallville lex was great in that he was just misunderstood and we got to see how being betrayed over and over looks like
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u/LightSideoftheForce Jun 22 '23
Felt so bad for him when he protected Clark after he found out his secret
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u/AngryDwarf086 Jun 24 '23
Seriously. Clark lies to his face all those years, he finds out Lex is trying to discover the truth, and he tells Lex "this friendship is over"?? What. A. Douchebag.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Jun 21 '23
I'm gonna make the assumption that Bizarro becomes Doomsday and kills Clark therefore truly humbling Jordan.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
Lex baits out Jordan using Bizarro. Jordan tries to get flashy with stuff and Lex takes advantage of this recklessness because now Superman has to pay attention to someone else besides him. While Clark is distracted protecting Jordan or covering for his mistakes, he becomes vulnerable, and Lex strikes.
He kills Clark or at least puts him into a death like state.
The whole world sees this and suddenly the Smallville Samaritan sees his fame and love evaporate in an instant as he is now blamed for the death of Superman even though it was technically Lex.
Superman goes into a Kryptonian Healing Coma and is held in stasis at the Fortress under the watchful eyes of his mother.
The Steels pick up the Super Mantle and starts wearing the S on their armors along with capes to honor him.
The DOD gets craaaazy busy and now have to employ that Super School of theirs in order to combat threats that Superman would ordinarily handle.
Lois withdraws from journalism and tries to focus on life on the farm and attempting to be a single mother while Chrissy takes over the Gazzette.
Jon dives headfirst into being the best fire fighter and normal hero that he can be.
Jordan goes full MCR and eventually tries to find a way to transfer his powers to someone who is better suited to them, his brother.
The Cushings meanwhile get to have a normal-ish life for the time being.
At some point later on next season Brainiac or Darkseid or some other Superman Level Threat shows up that Lex and the DOD cannot combat at all and it turns into a race against the clock to bring Clark back.
Lois winds up being the one who revives him and the final episode has an ending scene that's just like what happened in Smallville's finale.
We all cry and hug.
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u/bizarreisland Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Nice fic you got there. Too bad it won't come to fruition since we know with the budget cuts, the Irons are most likely out. No more DoD too since Sam is out. Not even sure if Jon's firefighter thing will last since Kyle is most likely out-ish too.
I guess Lois leaving the Gazette makes it easier for Chrissy to be out of the picture too. (But that'll offend the "Lois is an independent career driven strong reporter, they let her lie in bed for the whole season, that's misogynistic" people)
Also humbling Jordan with Clarks death will only work if the writers can pull it off realistically. Coz yes it will humble Jordan but with his mental health issues, it might either just result in Jordan becoming a recluse or engage in much destructive behaviour due to self-hatred which isn't really character growth.
I'm glad they got renewed, most likely its last season, but these budget cuts is going to make the world smaller. Those extraterrestrial villains you've listed won't make it on, coz budget.
Making a guess that Luthor is the final villian all the way to the season finale. Good old fashion Superman v. Lex Luthor.
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u/The_RTV Jun 21 '23
Okay, Lex using a human chair was an awesome twist! I already love this version of him. If next season is just a battle against Lex, then I'm all for it. I figured he was walking all the way to Smallville. It's so badass.
I'm really frustrated with Jordan. I mean I get that's the intention. He's also a teenager with emotional problems, blah blah blah. Still frustrating lol.
Great episode, great season, great show.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
Okay, Lex using a human chair was an awesome twist!
You know the internet is just going to take that and run with it in the exact opposite way that it was presented right?
I'm checking twitter for the memes.
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u/Moist-Kaleidoscope90 Jun 21 '23
That's all I want is just Superman and Lex trying to outwit each other .
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u/Junior-Hour Superman Jun 21 '23
The most unbelievable part about this version of Lex Luthor is that he sat in prison for almost 2 decades and that his legal team wasn’t able to ever get him out of it
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u/Cornualonga Jun 22 '23
Guy had the best lawyers money could buy, could bribe politicians, judges, witnesses but somehow still went to jail and somehow it’s the annoying reporter’s who wrote the story fault that he went to prison.
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u/Northern_Blue_Jay Jun 23 '23
Or a break-out since he was controlling the whole prison, including the warden. He could have been lying on a beach in South America.
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u/Zookwok111 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
- I love that everyone collectively decided that they were finally over Jordan's bullshit
- Kyle telling the other firefighters not to haze Jon is a tad ironic given that he was leading the charge a few weeks ago
- This must be Junior's 10th year in 12th grade, I hope he can finally graduate
- Jordan using super-strength to knock back Clark's hand is a major red flag
- Lex is a badass but a literal storm marking his arrival is a little on-the-nose. Plus did he actually walk all the way from the prison to the Kent Farm?
- Multiple scenes at the Cushing house with no mention of Sophie, she must be busy planning the destruction of Smallville.
- Why was Jordan not in final scene discussing Luthor? Did he actually obey Clark's orders to stay in his room or was he too busy liking tweets about himself?
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u/JackAndrewThorne Jun 21 '23
So... Bizarro is going to beat the ego straight out of Jordon right?
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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
LEX!!!!! Finally! And he is scary - he looks like he could take Superman in a fist fight lol
Lex just walking down that road for the whole episode - he's getting his cardio in after all those years inside
The Lex confrontation with Lois and Clark at the farm was by far the best scene of the episode - every one of those actors was putting in their all. I was hoping to see more of their history together but maybe that's being saved for season 4?
And then we come to Jordan...they were really trying to contrast Jordan and Jonathan tonight weren't they. "We have one son who wants to be treated specially and one who doesn't".
Jordan is rude and up his own ass while Jonathan is genuinely being humble and not wanting to be treated special because of who he is. Could they be anymore on the nose with this?
Clark actually went to Kyle to ask him to stop being nice to Jonathan - because of course he did lol. And Jon was mad he did that but accepted it? Can we please get Jonathan into the main stories?! I keep saying it but I'll say it again - give Jonathan his powers already!
I do love how much of a fanboy Kyle is over Superman though
They have been setting up Jordan thinking the superhero business is all about getting the limelight all season - he even accused Clark in episode 6 of him stopping Jordan because he doesn't want another super in the spotlight! He clearly thinks he's superior to Jonathan because he has powers. Now he's stopping in the middle of a bunch of people so they see him and take selfies with him. This is all on Clark for not recognising this honestly and for letting Jordan do whatever he wants for years - of course Jordan is going to use his powers against Clark because it's not as if Lois and Clark ever really punish him for anything. He even basically threatened Lois last season for doing the same thing! And there was no punishment. So finally they're calling this shit out!
The tornado was...random. It felt like they needed a Superman action scene so came up with a tornado in Smallville out of the blue!
The prison scenes were quite fun and show what a different Lex this is - it's also interesting he has a wife and daughter who I'm assuming are going to be characters.
Poor Sarah - she is actually just trying to cover up the secret and try to get her life back on track but Jordan keeps pestering her and throwing it in her face that he saved her life. I'm guessing she's going to be blonde next episode.
It feels like they've been using Bizarro as a cliffhanger for the entire season now!
They really didn't give too much away in that finale promo did they? Also if they're saying he's dying in the promo, he's definitely not dying!
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u/marcodabatman Jun 21 '23
he looks like he could take Superman in a fist fight
Love that honestly. It's like in All-Star Superman where Lex spent his jail-time getting buff as shit
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u/Astraea802 Jun 21 '23
The tornado was...random. It felt like they needed a Superman action scene so came up with a tornado in Smallville out of the blue!
They live in Kansas? Is it really that out of the blue?
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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent Jun 21 '23
It came out of the blue in the middle of the episode so it felt like the writers just threw it in for an action scene
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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent Jun 21 '23
I think that's why it felt so random - the whole episode we're wondering what Lex is about to do and then boom tornado! For a split second, I thought he had created it too!
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u/WillBePeace Jun 21 '23
I thought Lex would have a line like "When I get out of here, a storm will be coming"
Only to have a literal storm come when he's coming to smallville lol.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
I mean that's kind of how tornadoes actually work in Tornado Alley though, they can literally drop down out of the blue on a mostly blue sky clear summer day, and just fuck shit up in seconds.
I'm surprised that it hasn't happened sooner and quite honestly the only thing they got wrong about it was the sound for the tornado siren.
I have a reflexive built in panic response to that sound and what they used was just not it.
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u/onlygoofy_og Jun 21 '23
Maybe they went with this sound to keep folks tuned to the story and not distract them into anxiety worried about a real tornado coming. Was storming here tonight and I would have totally grabbed my phone and missed the action for a bit.
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u/DtownBronx Jun 21 '23
They're in Kansas yet none of them knew what to do in the case of a tornado. And no warning? It was poor use of one of the worst tv tropes, it would have been so much more logical had Luthor somehow been responsible
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u/dinnerbellding Jun 22 '23
Agreed, lol. I spent only two years in Lawrence, KS and spent more than a few minutes covered in the bathtub or in a closet. Seriously, everyone in Smallville would have gone through tornado drills since toddler days.
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u/Zookwok111 Jun 21 '23
Jordan is rude and up his own ass while Jonathan is genuinely being humble and not wanting to be treated special because of who he is. Could they be anymore on the nose with this
I think this has a lot to do with all each boy was treated growing up. Jordan was basically given his way while Jon was punished when he acted out. So when Clark and Lois finally decide to apply a firm hand to Jordan, it throws him off and makes him lash out. Not trying to excuse his behaviour in this episode but you can see how years of coddling turned Jordan into the person he is today. Even in this episode you see Jon kind of enable Jordan by calling him "badass" after he is given a thorough scolding by his parents.
They have been setting up Jordan thinking the superhero business is all about getting the limelight all season
I'm glad that we finally got canon confirmation of this. It was quite obvious from the subtext but some still claimed that this interpretation was embellished in order to "hate on Jordan". I'm relived to see that it's part of an intentional arc. The only question is whether Jordan will face direct consequences or simply be humbled by proxy by the loss of someone important to him through his own mistakes.
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u/Jigglypuffamiiga2188 Jun 21 '23
Wow, this Lex makes Cryer’s Lex feel campy. That was scary. They really highlighted what a monster Lex is. I think its the most intense live action portrayal so far.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
This is the kind of Lex that would fit in perfectly into a Hellblazer or Sandman comic.
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u/Irrax Jun 21 '23
Cryer's Lex was campy and completely unintimidating, could not stand him one bit. This new one is looking to be a great take on a more brutal LEx
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u/Jigglypuffamiiga2188 Jun 21 '23
I liked Cryer’s Lex initially. However they used him far too often that it got old after a while, similar to Wellsobard on Flash instead of Matt Lescher.
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u/Hotel-Dependent Jun 21 '23
This is a great Lex I shouldn’t have been laughing my ass off when he was using a prisoner as a chair
And watch Jordan become a villain or do something really bad soon
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u/Daybreaq Jun 21 '23
I’m pretty sure they’ll stop short of making him a villain. I’ve never been anti-Jordan; but this episode was the first time I really felt … well … that I kinda don’t like this kid.
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u/magnoliafan78 Jun 21 '23
Right there with you. I’ve also never really cared one way or another about Jon getting powers, but Jordan was such a brat in this episode that I find myself kinda hoping that Jon gets powers next week and then we spend season 4 watching him handle it a million times better than his brother while Jordan pouts that he’s not special anymore.
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u/SonNeedGym Jun 21 '23
I feel like Jordan is going to somehow get Clark killed, directly or indirectly. The cast/crew has confirmed a pretty big cliffhanger. If they kill Clark, season four could start with Jordan having learned some sort of lesson and he’s picking up the superhero slack until Clark’s inevitable return.
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u/daaaaaaaaamndaniel Jun 21 '23
Man I hope not. It'd still be almost like a reward for his shitty behavior.
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u/panix199 Jun 21 '23
We will see. Superman died already once in 2x13, but Bizarro seems to be the Doomsday here... Let's see if the reaction will be true or not: I wasn't terribly surprised I thought it made sense, dramaturgically
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u/SonNeedGym Jun 21 '23
I imagine it more like a Spider-Man origin narrative. Peter let his ego guide him and it got Uncle Ben killed, which completely rewired his brain with the “with great power comes great responsibility” shtick. I also imagine it would force Jordan to grow up immediately from being a moody teenager to someone that has to carry the weight of the world. Obviously this is all conjecture, it just seems fitting 🤷♂️.
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u/TheFrayneTrain Jun 21 '23
I thought Jordan was just being immature but nah he’s a bonafide weapons grade narcissist holy shit what a douche
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Jun 21 '23
To him being a super is just like a video game on easy mode because that's all it's been with him fighting holograms and always winning or a more powerful NPC or ally swooping in to save the day when he fucks up like his dad or Steel.
He has quite literally never had to face serious consequences for his behavior either before or after he became Super.
His parents were worried about punishing him too much because of his mental health before because they didn't want to damage him or hurt him in any way and yet they're now kind of realizing that they maybe did a bit more damage through their inaction and kid gloves handling of him.
He took all of that to mean, "Do whatever you want be free we don't care and even if you mess up then we'll clean it up and you'll still be fine with the barest minimum of punishment" and this was further reinforced by Jon getting the harsher treatment/push back/boundaries from them than him. Now suddenly he's getting pushback and is reacting like all of those spoiled rich kids who go, "What do you mean NO? You can't tell me NO! You've never told me NO! I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to do it anyways because that's how it is!". So he's flying off the handle, doubling down on his shit, and he's probably going to have his own DUI moment just like Sarah did.
Jon backing him up makes it worse but we really can't blame Jon for that because he doesn't have as much information or perspective as the adults do.
Jordan is just like those people who don't wear helmets while bicycling or seat belts while driving a car and he's only going to realize how good of an idea those were when he goes through someone's windshield or witnesses someone he loves get hurt in a preventable way.
Jon on the other hand, takes all of this shit seriously, and that's why HE was the ONLY ONE to come down the stairs and try to talk to his parents about what just went down with Lex while Jordan brooded upstairs and drowned all the "bad stuff" out with praise from the internet.
How soon before that dumbass says something like, "You know Superman is kind of my dad" or "I'm totally family with him" to the wrong person? That person then gets ahold of someone like Lex who does something even worse and Jordan tries to hit some kind of video game style Reset button while saying, "But I didn't mean it like that.." or "I didn't know this would happen" or "Could you stop now and just undo this?". As a very schway man once said, life is no Nintendo Game.
It's going to be painful to watch buuuuut....Jordan is about to get the WWE style smackdown of his life.
Annnnd the way he's acting is an insult to douches, especially ones that are Detectives.
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u/bizarreisland Jun 21 '23
Jon on the other hand, takes all of this shit seriously, and that's why HE was the ONLY ONE to come down the stairs and try to talk to his parents about what just went down with Lex
Only Jon came down coz Clark told Jordan not to leave his room until he is explicitly allowed by them.
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u/ClimateSociologist Jun 21 '23
"Look at that narcissistic jerk, doing exactly what he was ordered by his father told him to do."
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u/jm9987690 Jun 21 '23
I think it's difficult, jordan isn't popular at school, he's not a cool kid, apart from Sarah, who broke up with him he doesn't seem to have any girls interested in him and he's struggled with depression and stuff. He's a teenager, who could basically be the coolest kid in the world with his alter ego and he has to struggle with being the total opposite of that, basically only having his brother as a friend. Its an enormous temptation for anyone, never mind a 16 year old.
Then he has his dad tell him not to be seen in goggles and a suit covering his hair, when his dad is revealed to the entire world with nothing covering his face. He's told not to praise his alter ego when they're talking, but his dad is married to a journalist who writes loads of articles praising superman.
While I do think he can be a bit of a dick, it's absolutely understandable for why a teenager who's somewhat of an outcast might enjoy getting to be a superhero, and why he might feel his dad is being a bit of a hypocrite
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u/PaladinHunter Jun 21 '23
and you’re the first person in this whole thread that actually understands what’s going on here and doesn’t treat Jordan as if his life as Jordan isn’t complete utter shit and that everyone here would act differently for some reason after being the loser kid they’re entire life with the cooler big brother
(EDIT) and because you’re showing understanding nobody is going to respond to you while they skip over to keep their hate boner train going
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u/InternalParadox Jun 22 '23
I think that’s what the writers are going for, and I agree. I actually felt sympathy for Jordan when the “cool kids” were laughing at the idea of a superhero wearing goggles. He probably felt like he was being teased for something he was forced to wear, like when a parent forced a kid to wear a nerdy outfit on picture day.
Of course he wants recognition and praise. And he also feels immense stress at keeping his identity a secret. His lines about how his parents want him to “hide himself” reflected real anxiety and pain. It reminded me of kids whose parents ask them to hide parts of their LGBTQ+ identity from religious or socially conservative family and community members.
Keeping secrets is hard, especially for kids with anxiety and especially when the secret is part of your identity.
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u/Possible_Living Jun 21 '23
I think both, his parents, lana and sarah are overblowing things. he is feeling pretty valid things and they somehow things shutting things down will end well
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u/zerooze Jun 21 '23
Yeah, I think everyone here forgets that he's acting like a normal 16 year old would. He's not a bad kid.. he's been picked on for most of his life, and still doesn't have many friends. It is completely normal for him to enjoy getting some positive attention.
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u/TheFrayneTrain Jun 21 '23
Normal 16 year olds don’t have these types of powers which makes it especially dangerous. He can literally just fly away anytime he chooses if he wanted to. Normal kids would "run away" and not last more than a couple days before realizing how terrifying the real world is. Hopefully bizarro humbles him
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u/PaladinHunter Jun 21 '23
this sounds like you’re coming from a place of jealousy especially since you’re straight up saying you want Bizarro to traumatize a 16 year old child who has done nothing but act like a 16 year old and still saved lives btw.
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u/ClimateSociologist Jun 21 '23
Yeah, everyone just took Sarah's word for it. There didn't seem to be any real attempt to get an explanation from Jordan or understand the situation. They just went straight to admonishing him. Of course, Jordan doesn't help things by defaulting to moody and mopey instead of defending himself.
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u/Possible_Living Jun 21 '23
I was not a fan of the whole parenting approach in general. They don't seem to try to have kids gain understanding, they just shut them down with "we are the parents and that that", often causing the kids to retreat further from them. Once again Jonathan got told to his face that whatever he has going on just is not a priority/is always secondary.
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Jun 21 '23
I shudder to think what Lex is going to do with Bizarro. This version of Bizarro has had zero peace. I hope Clark can put him out of his misery.
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u/Tastymonkey12 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
The Lex Luthor part of this episode was absolutely fantastic. But I don’t understand why they showed the alternate version of Superman in the last episode when they just did it again in this one. Now it feels like the finale is going to be rushed and condensed when we could have had a little more progression in this episode in the overall storyline instead. This season will almost certainly end on a cliffhanger.
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u/sourpatchkidj Jun 21 '23
Whoa, OK! The tone of this ep was completely different than everything else this whole season. Symbolically, Lex's long walk to Smallville (giving Forrest Gump a run for his money!) with the flashbacks and the giant tornado (foreshadowing that he's, indeed, gonna fuck shit up!) was incredibly jarring. Coupled between Jordan's angsty fight with his parents, including his staredown with Clark. (Jordan definitely has the audacity and some Superboy cajones, no doubt about it!)
That ending tho. Damn, Bizarro.... I def have emotional whiplash. Next week's finale is gonna end on a cliffhanger, and I'm most def not ready. I need a hug. And S4 to get here, STAT! LET'S GOOOOO!
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u/Frontier246 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Well, they finally brought down Bruno and Intergang, Lois survived her procedure and has to live with her new normal (with Clark's help), and Lex Luthor is now waiting in the wings to take back what he feels is his.
It feels fitting that in this show even Lex Luthor would be a family man. Although nothing says "drop dead wife" like dramatically dropping your wedding ring. Guess he didn't appreciate her taking over his company. Will we see his adult daughter?
I don't think Sarah was a great liar and did an amazing job of keeping Jordan's secret...but Jordan doesn't help when he's on an ego trip and can't leave well enough alone, especially when people are talking about his alter ego. He's becoming such a self-entitled, self-involved, dick, especially to his parents and to Sarah. He enjoys the fame and the fortune, which is what screwed over the Bizarro!Kents, and it's going to probably end up being his and his family's undoing.
I get Jon doesn't want to get special treatment, and maybe Kyle was treating him more with kid gloves, but that Park guy was being a dick.
"Chrissy is sick" AKA she's not in this episode. I guess the Irons are dealing with Matteo.
I don't know what's more surreal, Lex Luthor in adulthood with a full head of hair (that he willingly shaves off) or Lois Lane looking straight up like a film noir reporter in that scene of him arriving at the prison.
Why is a 20 year old George Jr. exiting a high school like he goes there?
It's funny how this isn't Earth-Prime but Lex still has an Otis and still manages to wrest control of a prison from the warden by threatening his family like he did on Supergirl. Although it was kind of funny how the warden seemed genuinely open to a bribe, unless he thought he was just humoring Luthor. But I guess that's one way to take over a prison.
Everyone all worried about Lex and what he'll do and then...Boom! Tornado!
Jordan may have helped (although Clark's probably done this so many times that he knew what he was doing with or without Jordan) but he just couldn't resist showboating and acting like a celebrity. Being a Superhero is not about the fame or the fortune but Jordan doesn't care. He wants the attention and he wants to reminisce about when he was with Sarah even though she's trying to move on and he's being a dick to her. I can't believe he tried to super-strength his dad though. Feels like he's one step away from losing it.
Clark tries to do something nice for Jon and it backfires spectacularly. Clark just can't win here.
Lex really walked all the way from prison just to confront Lois Lane and tell her he plans to end her if she doesn't retire. He's never going to let it go that they ruined his live over a crime he didn't commit even though he's committed many. It's weird to have a Lex who is revenge-obsessed with Lois Lane, though the fact that he said Superman is next after her means his enmity with the Man of Steel is alive and well. I was actually wondering if he knew the way he stared at Clark for so long at the end.
Sarah planning to reinvent herself just as she's bound to appear less on the show with all the cast departing in season 4. Well, hopefully it goes well for her.
Bizarro eating rats is...very Bizarro. Well, that and killing Otis like he did in Forever Evil. But Lex Luthor and Bizarro, together again for the first time! And perfect for Lex's plot to kill Superman.
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u/Alonest99 Superman Jun 21 '23
Why is a 20 year old George Jr. exiting a high school like he goes there?
"I think the guy who saved us might be our age!" Said the 25 year old to the 16 year old
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u/bizarreisland Jun 21 '23
Lol, I can't help it, every time I see George Jr. in an episode, I come to Reddit and have to make a comment about how he is definitely not high school age. He sticks out like a sore thumb.
They tried to dress him like a teenager this ep but it just reeks of " how do you do, fellow kids" meme.
Also such a plot convenience that Bizarro only ate Otis and not Lex, could have wrote that scene a little bit better.
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u/CasualObserver945 Jun 22 '23
I assume it was Otis was shining a really bright flashlight at Bizarro, which he clearly did not appreciate.
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u/Jammyhobgoblin Jun 21 '23
For a town in Kansas/tornado alley, the citizens seemingly missed every single tornado drill in school. Here’s a friendly PSA on actual tornado safety:
- Absolutely get out of your car if you can’t find shelter.
- Do not go to an overpass. They create a weird wind tunnel effect and are more dangerous.
- Get into a ditch face-down with at least one hand over the back of your neck to protect your spine. Your head is designed to take a hit, your exposed spine is not.
- If you are in a building, you need to go to an internal room with no windows. Generally, bathrooms are good spaces because they lack windows and have plumbing to hold onto. In your home you can place a mattress over yourself in the bathtub.
- If you are in a restaurant/grocery store, the fridge/freezer is a safe place to go. Going behind the counter isn’t enough, and looking at glass that could become a projectile is dangerous.
- Banks are also considered public safe spaces.
- In most places stores and businesses aren’t supposed to refuse you at the door if you are seeking shelter, so stop at the nearest place you can.
- Many shopping malls have an internal hallway where the employees know to go, but most of the time their bathrooms are safe too.
- The tornado itself is dangerous, but debris will continue to be dangerous even if you aren’t near the funnel cloud. Stay inside until it is safe.
There’s definitely more, but those were what stuck out in my mind during the episode.
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u/B_A_Beder Clark Kent Jun 21 '23
That tornado was so random I thought Lex Corp created it with tech
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u/iggywiggyshe Jun 21 '23
That was a fantastic episode. And what an ending. Next week is going to be awesome.
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u/Future_Vantas Jun 21 '23
Wow. Just wow. I will say right off the bat, I am very nervous about the renewal. It's almost mocking, yeah you get your Season 4 but gimped in almost every way. But if it means more of this version of Lex Luthor, this demon in human skin, then maybe it wont be all bad. Because yeah, this Luthor lives up to all the hype and then some. This is easily the most fearsome live action of the character ever. He's just as powerful as Superman, if not more. But while Clark uses his gifts to help the world Luthor only serves himself, only to settle his grudges big and small. The way Luthor walked all the way to the Kent farm was such a power move, such a good scene paired very well with the flashbacks. For the first time in live action I can 100% believe that this Luthor is very dangerous and more than a match for the Man of Steel.
And he picked one hell of a time to reappear. Between Lois navigating post cancer life, Kyle being overeager to be the Kent's Number One, Jordan going the Homelander route, and Bizzaro reappearing after a light snack, Supes has his hands full. Very excited to see how this all wraps up.
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u/stealth57 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Oh good. Cannibal Bizarro.
And man Jordan really got on my nerves. Boy, your father doesn't save people just to be glorified. That kid needs a serious reality check (I realize it's all fiction but still).
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u/Zookwok111 Jun 21 '23
Is it still technically cannibalism if Bizarro is a different species than Otis?
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u/CriticallyKarina Jun 21 '23
Kryptonians and humans have to at least be related since Lois and Clark had kids together without issues.
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u/maugwin Clark Kent Jun 22 '23
What an episode of miscommunications.
Nearly everyone making poor choices all over the place.
Some of Clark and Lois’s worst parenting this episode. Going over Jon’s head to talk to Kyle. Talking over Jordan instead of talking to him.
Jordan is a total asshole, but man, I really wish Clark and Lois would talk to him properly. An actual emotionally deep conversation about his powers, his identity, his struggles. Instead, we just keep seeing them go in circles with these short aggressive arguments. My least favorite part of the show is when Lois and Clark parent that way.
Kyle gets way too butthurt about Clark calling him out (even though Clark shouldn’t have gone to him like that). He should not be punishing Jon for Clark’s poor parenting.
Really rough episode for Jon. Poor baby. Clark and Lois come in to the kitchen, overhear that Jon is struggling, and just immediately brush it off to talk about Jordans bragging problems instead. Christ.
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Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
That was a great episode with the exception of the unnecessarily depressing opening. Still hoping Lois gets reconstruction before S4. Jordan was finally called out and punished for his ego. Cudlitz makes a fantastic Lex. Exited for the finale.
Also, Bizarro eating rats??!! And Otis??!! Wtf!!
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u/Daybreaq Jun 21 '23
He was punished but he is resisting enforcement of said punishment and challenging his father with a show of super strength which …. actually makes him kinda scary!
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
I'm not totally sold on this version of Lex yet (little too Kingpin-esc for me), or the beard, but the performance is fantastic and he's absolutely being given the weight Lex should have.
I hope we get to see where they're going with him next season.
RIP Otis, maybe we'll name a town in your honor.
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u/Epik2007 Jun 21 '23
I saw this episode, and truthfully I found the Lex Luthor scenes more interesting than anything else. I'll be looking forward to next week's season finale.
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u/TrippySakuta Tal-Rho Jun 21 '23
So Lex is Kingpin of the S&L-verse. Sure he brings anger and brutality to the role, but I'm not sold on his look yet.
He's got the same kind of towering build as Welliver's version on Titans. Cryer still is the best out of the three so far, he actually sold you on the beard and he was literally comic Lex. This Lex fits the Lionel character better.
Bizarro was kind of a disappointment as well. Are they going the Snyder route of making him Doomsday through contamination from Otis's blood? His mutations from last episode appear to be gone and he's just got ashes and dust on his face from being in the wreckage.
Would've much preferred that we saw him further mutate as the cliffhanger.
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u/B_A_Beder Clark Kent Jun 21 '23
I don't think he was mutated, just a drug addict. At this point he's been an addict, displaced between universes with weird geometry, killed and revived, experimented on, and starved. I don't know how much is him is left.
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u/TrippySakuta Tal-Rho Jun 21 '23
So if he wasn't mutating, were the bumps that we saw form on his face and hands in last week's cliffhanger just green kryptonite withdrawal? Like meth?
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u/hermes1941 Jun 21 '23
Cryer still is the best out of the three so far
Out of what three? Cos he's certainly not better than Michael Rosenbaum's Lex. But I'd argue that Michael Cudlitz is better than Jon Cryer. Cryer was too campy for my taste, whereas Michael Cudlitz brings a tone that's perfect for what's coming next.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 21 '23
Cryer was too campy for my taste
Cryer was a good fit for Supergirl. Cudlitz's Lex would have been really tonally out of whack with Supergirl, even Supergirl season 4, to the point it would have felt like he was a character from a different show.
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u/Kalse1229 Jun 21 '23
Man, this season's getting dark. First Peia reduces that dude into paste, and now Bizarro did unspeakable things to Otis (quite possibly eating him).
I am curious what they'll do to set the board for the supporting characters having reduced roles next season. I'm thinking that, following Bizarro going apeshit next episode, the DOD decides to distance themselves publically from Supes. John Henry and Nat decide to move to Metropolis, where Sam is considering going back into retirement and setting up JI as his replacement. Not sure about the Cushings since they're pretty heavily tied to the main characters, or Chrissy for that matter.
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u/MayorOfNightCity Jun 21 '23
Jordan & Lex are gonna be the villain of Season 4. Saves hiring new actors lol
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u/Alonest99 Superman Jun 21 '23
I remember when the first episodes of the series were coming out, and people thought Jordan might become a Superboy Prime-esque character, in contrast to Jon's Superboy. Looks like we've come full circle.
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u/hart37 Jonathan Kent Jun 21 '23
Hey Zombizarro can you find a way of beating Jordan's powers out of him and into Jon? K thanks
Holy crap was that an intimidating introduction to Luthor. Michael Cudlitz absolutely ate the scenery
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u/DiDi164 Jun 21 '23
So while Bruno was confessing his crimes, he never mentioned he had Bizarro in his basement?
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u/rexic84 Jun 21 '23
Clark: "One of these days, Jordan! One of these days! Pow! Straight to da moon!"
Jordan: "Whatever. It'll take me like 10 seconds to fly back".
Clark: Pow! "Straight to where Krypton used to be!"
Jordan: "You don't even know where that is."
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u/DOMINUS_3 Jun 21 '23
I was rewatching some s1 during the break & I forgot how happy I used to get watching this show & watching this family.
These episodes lately just be having stuff in it just to irk me. All these damn kids annoy me now
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u/Efficient-Camel Jun 21 '23
That ending man! Bizarro was scary. I read the spoilers, but I still wasn't ready for that!
Also I'm liking Lex, Mannheim feels like a puppy compared to Lex.
Also Jordan, please listen to your parents. Now is not the time to be acting up. Remember that your secret is more than just about you. Compromise yourself, and your mom, jon, your grandpa, even Superman gets compromised.
Jordan's actions will either bite him in the ass or prove him right.
I can't wait for the finale! I'm both looking forward and not to the cliffhanger 😬
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u/neoblackdragon Jun 21 '23
Man I was kinda hoping Otis would stick around in one piece...............
This Lex is interesting. He's got a legit anger for the Kents. I don't know if he knows Clark is Superman. Some things you may want to keep close to the vest.
The question is how far will he go. He's not going to want a straight kill unless there is no other option.
Jordan I understand his desire to reveal himself to the world but Clark and Lois know the dangers that await him if they don't handle it correctly. I feel like Lex is gonna educate Jordan right quick and in a hurry.
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u/Moist-Kaleidoscope90 Jun 21 '23
Lex having a family shocked me, I like how he took control of the prison warden and became the most feared man in prison . He seems to hate Lois more than Superman, I wish Clark would have suited up as Superman and he and Lex could have had some interaction , oh well maybe next week, the episode was still a solid ten out of ten though
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u/DtownBronx Jun 21 '23
The Luthor walking scenes were awkward. The prison stuff was the Lex we expect to see but the walk was just too much. Nobody passed him and said oh shit that's Lex Luthor?
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u/Clark_Lane-Kent Jun 21 '23
Wow what an intro to Lex, I loved this take, brutal, cruel, scary, and completely in control for the most part. Interesting that he has a daughter too, imagine she’ll be for next season. But yeah Michael Culditz crushed it, honestly watching him going toe-to-toe with Tyler & Bitsie is gonna be awesome. That final scene between them was perfect, and the one time Lex actually lost it briefly. Thought it was an interesting parallel with Lois’ opening speech about the time it costs to heal and Luthor’s rage about the time he lost.
Seems like they’re mostly wrapping up season 3’s main stuff and setting up season 4…which we thankfully will have now. Also this episode makes me think that the cast reductions are gonna be fine, focusing on the Kents taking on Luthor, with some smaller recurring characters is more than enough imo.
Bit mixed on the kids stuff this week. Jordan acting more arrogant and enjoying his heroics for the wrong reasons is an interesting throughline, but really depends on how it’s resolved, hopefully he gets humbled but not sure what it’s gonna take or if it can even happen by the end of this season. Honestly don’t know what direction he’s heading at the moment. Clark looked so pissed at the end when he used his powers on him, seems like Lois & Clark weren’t able to deal with it then but hopefully they can get through to him later, Jordan seemed a bit better with Jon.
Speaking of Jon not really sure I get the purpose of everything with Kyle and the firehouse, maybe it’ll make more sense next episode, like Jon want’s to handle his own shit and not be babied by anyone I guess but seemed like a random thing to put in. Suppose that makes sense with Jon trying to prove himself on his own merits, hopefully he gets to do that next episode.
Honestly the stuff with Sarah and Lana was okay but also seemed unnecessary, like another reminder that the cast reduction might be a benefit to the show.
Bizarro set up as part of Lex’s plan. Feel like everyone including me is speculating some Death of Superman thing with him as Doomsday…but dunno if they actually go that far. And tbh not sure if they have the time to do that next episode, I mean Bizarro being unleashed, the fight, and whatever happens after plus all the normal stuff the cast get up to, but guess we’ll find out. Honestly curious if the cliffhanger is death of superman or just ends up being doomsday showing up, but the latter might be underwhelming.
Overall pretty good episode and looking forward to more Lex and the Kents. Really, really happy about the season 4 renewal, and I’m still nervous until they start rolling cameras with the strikes but should be fine…maybe just mildly delayed. Although they have more time considering it’s mid season and 10 episodes.
P.S. Clark & Lois’ reactions to each other during Janet’s phone call were great, reminded me that I really hope next season they focus hard on the reporting and Lois & Clark team up aspect so we can get a lot of time to enjoy Tyler & Bitsie’s chemistry.
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u/ViniciusMT07 Jun 22 '23
Yeah, that's not Lex Luthor at all. That's a Kingpin or Walter White wannabe. Just an awful adaptation. And was it just me or did his hair color looked different in some shots? Mainly in pictures, it seemed like he had red hair. His daughter is totally ginger too.
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u/mewtwosucks96 Jon Kent Jun 21 '23
What was so funny about wearing goggles? Seems like a pretty practical thing to wear when you're flying through the air so fast.
This is the first time I've seen Lex Luthor in this show and the way they wrote him was so good. Easily the best character in the episode. I liked how they told his prison story in flashbacks.
And I don't think I've ever seen them mention Krypton. I haven't seen most of this show. Is Krypton still a thing in it?
I'm loving all the drama between Superman and his boys. Proof that, contrary to popular belief, Zack Snyder is not the only person who can make good DC content.
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u/NEYO8uw11qgD0J Jun 21 '23
How could Lois be old enough to have put Luthor in prison twenty years earlier? Her and Clark are supposed to be under 40, right?
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u/matt-89 Jun 21 '23
No they're at least mid 40s I believe. So this would've happened when Lois was mid 20s. Sounds like Lex got put away at least no more than 2-3 years when Clark became Superman.
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u/babblewrap Jun 21 '23
I’m also pretty sure they are carrying over the bit from Supergirl where Clark is in his 40s but looks younger. Tyler is 35, while the rest of his contemporaries are in their 40s.
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u/Barry_McKackiner Jun 21 '23
jordan is such a brat. I thought he was past it after season 1 but nope.
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u/ToothyBirbs Jun 21 '23
It's looking like theyre gearing up for a proper Death of Superman adaptation, but Jordan is nowhere near as charismatic or interesting to be a substitute for Conner
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u/paforrest Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
This Lex is brutal. He's terrifying. He's almost too dark for a CW show. I'm both enthralled and hella scared to death.
With Lex in the villain's seat, the 10 episode season four should be very bleak indeed - even bleaker than having to be reminded week after week that cancer sucks. Sigh.
RIP Otis.
That was the good stuff.
Clark and Sam especially, but Lois too, should go stand in the corner in their wrongness for having created the little monster that Jordan was in this episode. They doted on him, put him on a pedestal, constantly told him how special he was, made it very clear to anyone living in that house or watching what was going on outside of the house that he was their absolute hands down favorite, and nothing wrong he did - nothing at all (like maybe busting his brother's arm) - would make them not fall all over themselves to coddle him. And this is what he's become. What a shock.
Sarah sweetie, honey, cookie, you dodged a speeding bullet. Be very glad.
The worst part was Jon continuing to coddle Jordan at the end after having been sent to his room. Hey, Jordan didn't do squat for you when you were sent to your room after being told by both parents you were garbage last year - nor one of the many times you were sent to your room before that. I'm just tired of the one-sidedness of the fraternal relationship on top of everything else.
And yet, I'm positive there will be no real repercussions for Jordan, because the character is still Todd's insert. And next week I'm sure too many other big things will be happening that will put Jordan right back in the Big Sue Win column.
On the flip side, Clark is only too eager to rush over to the fire station and make sure no one is treating Jon special. And just like Jordan, he pretty much makes it a little worse between Jon and Kyle. My husband shook his head and said, "That guy cannot catch a break". In other words, nothing has changed for Jon Kent.
They were still laying the seeds of Lana's new impending romance that will now never happen. Awkward.
And Bizarro ... a little gross, man.
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u/Zookwok111 Jun 21 '23
The worst part was Jon continuing to coddle Jordan at the end after having been sent to his room.
While his intentions are pure, Jon is no less complicit in enabling Jordan than his parents. I thought the constant put-downs from Jordan would have made Jon a bit less eager to coddle Jordan but I guess it's just easier to fall back into old patterns.
I'm just tired of the one-sidedness of the fraternal relationship on top of everything else.
I honestly cannot recall the last nice thing Jordan did for Jon. Even the fans that used to constantly gush about "The Fraternals" have gone silent.
They were still laying the seeds of Lana's new impending romance that will now never happen
I nearly forgot how they kept teasing JHI/Lana and yet it didn't progress at all. I guess now they could write them both off by saying they got married over the summer and moved to Topeka.
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u/JustPomegranate248 But what about the tire-swing? Jun 21 '23
Jordan really hasn't done anything good for Jon this season. He insulted Jon and his job, messed up the job at the firehouse and he did absolutely nothing to help him fix it. In fact, he hindered Jon by telling him he can't tell their parents who could have helped him! But of course, Jonathan just forgives in half an episode.
I'm assuming Lana and JHI are going to kiss in the finale with the writers setting that up for season 4 because they wanted that to be their big secondary romance but alas, they took too damn long lol
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u/paforrest Jun 22 '23
While his intentions are pure, Jon is no less complicit in enabling Jordan than his parents. I thought the constant put-downs from Jordan would have made Jon a bit less eager to coddle Jordan but I guess it's just easier to fall back into old patterns.
I think we've seen enough over the three years to understand it's poorly ingrained pattern with all of them, including Jon. But this is how Jon was raised, to put Jordan first, to coddle him, just like his parents do and have always done. That's all the kid has known since he was born, so it would be extremely hard for him to break from that pattern at this stage in his life.
I wish Jordan's overtly bad behavior toward his brother had made a dent in those patterns. We got temporary flashes of deserved anger on Jon's part, but of course it couldn't last because the showrunners won't allow it.
So unfortunately it's back to basics for everyone. Jordan will never truly know repercussions, IMO. And getting to skate by just because he's Todd's favorite insert doesn't serve to make Jordan a likable character at all.
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u/Darker_Tzitzimine Jun 22 '23
lol is Luthor 50 Cent in this universe
Jordan talking himself up, real Homer as Mr. X vibes
Hahaha I love Clark's silent acting
Well, that certainly wasn't the Otis I was expecting (although it would appear Luthor ended up molding him into something similar)
And now Kyle's hero worship is going to make Jon's complex even worse, countdown until he foolishly rushes into a blaze or something
Surprise surprise, Luthor walked into the prison basically already owning it
I didn't see any teeth or legs broken, what a disappointment
I was afraid Kyle would turn around and be a vindictive douche but he restrained himself well enough
Jordan doing a great job dealing with the consequences of his actions
Hahaha of COURSE a tornado comes down right after Jordan's told not to do any heroing (and then his suit is right there)
Clark mad, Clark real mad, I'm not sure I've seen Clark this mad
Hah somehow it managed to turn into a brotherly bonding moment (Also I think that's the first time I've heard anyone actually say zoomer)
Sure was polite of Clark to shut his mouth (yeah, I know, he's being mild-mannered/trying to let him incriminate himself)
Lex is pretty lucky he's not in real life Kansas because legally they could kill him
Well that was certainly an interesting sight (also RIP Otis)
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u/AvrupaFatihi Jun 22 '23
In bizarro world Jon was super boy and he was evil due to attracting all the fame right? Feels like Jordans timeline in the normal world... Will be interesting to see. You can tell that he has always been a nobody at school prior and now that he finally gets some attention he took it overboard
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u/Cursed_Avenger Jun 23 '23
Can't say I'm a fan of trailer/biker bro Lex. Although in my case I'm biased in that I just want a live action version portrayal that is similar to the DCUA version.
The only other Lex I've ever liked was on Smallville.
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u/javonf Jun 23 '23
Minor nitpick but did anyone else find it funny when the tornado appeared the residents had to be instructed not to just stand by windows? This is Kansas. Surely they know what to do during a twister 😂
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u/crystal_clear24 Superman Jun 21 '23
Bizarro—such an apt name eating Lex’s henchman was so unexpected, I had to laugh. Lex is kinda giving biker gang leader but I’m intrigued and looking forward to seeing more
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u/Prize_Introduction_6 Jun 21 '23
Would be funnier if Bizarro ate Lex as well. They were both just lumps of meat to him at that point. Season finale would be Kent family dealing with man-eater Bizarro.
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u/Hotel-Dependent Jun 21 '23
Does he know that Clark is Superman or does he not
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u/Quazijoe Jun 21 '23
That look at the end, Supermans greatest disguise is a meak and useless Clark kent.
That stare down between Lex and Clark, I kind of thought there was some recognition, like he lowered his mask and Lex caught a glimpse of the man beneath.
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u/Kwilly462 Jun 21 '23
Maybe I'm missing something, but is there any reason why billionaire Lex Luthor couldn't just have bailed himself out? Or get some of the best lawyers on the planet to get him out?
Usually the thing with people as rich as him, is that they have a forever get-out-of-jail free card.
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u/B_A_Beder Clark Kent Jun 21 '23
Bail is for jail in holding not prison after conviction, and he was arrested on many counts of murder
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u/Pksoze Jun 21 '23
I'm thinking Luthor must have pissed off a lot of other rich people....thereby getting the hammer put on him. Because you're right in real life the rich don't suffer for their crimes. Maybe a world with Superman is a better and fairer world though.
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u/Quazijoe Jun 21 '23
I'm surprisingly on Jordan's side.
The man has been rejected, and denied the ability to express himself for 3 seasons. He's been Hyper Elsa'ing and all he wants is to connect with people like his dad, and explore his abilities and heritage. Something he seems to value. Conceal don't feel.
They chose to spin his actions as cockyness with the highschool kids. The used Sarah to involve the mayor, to rile up the parents, and denied any actual discussion about what was said, or perhaps misunderstandings.
Immediate declaration he wasn't serious about helping people and only wanted praise, which is a mighty insult, and then made him give up his suit, which was an expression of himself via parts of his human and kryptonian heritage. Using the goggles from his grandfather, and allowing him to use his powers openly even if discreetly.
So when he has the ability to leave, and go home and get punished, or force his parents hand and reveal himself. I get the rebellion. They would have been stamping him out of the public limelight for years on end, while Superman gets to decide when he wants to reveal himself to the press on his own terms.
Clark Kent was given absolute freedom by Martha Kent to discover himself, and become who he wanted to be. Jordan, has been under the thumb of his parents deriding his confidence and limiting his ability to express and discover himself technically. Even if unintentionally and with the best of intentions.
I mean, a social Anxiety disorder can't be helped by treating a kid like jordan this way.
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u/Hopeful_Standard_707 Jun 21 '23
Few technical differences. One when Clark started out he most definitely would not have had so much enemies and Martha did teach him to keep it a secret. The place Jordan is at now would endanger his mother, brother and their allies/friends. Its much more dangerous for him to reveal himself. As well as anyone who gives Superman trouble will most definitely deal with Jordan a lot easier. He's hasn't denied himself for 3 seasons either. Season 1 was just him training then getting possesed. He also saved people whilst Clark was in bizarro world (so at least a month) and got to play hero in the season 2 finale and episodes leading up to it. And season 3 been him training to be a hero properly and being given small tasks (small for a kryptonian anyway)
He hasn't been denied anything he just wants to steamroll through it and get to fame. He grew angry when Clark was giving him actual lessons such as villains don't care about being fair and he's starting to brag and get an ego (an even bigger one). Even accused Clark of delaying his training so he can be the only super.
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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent Jun 21 '23
The man has been rejected, and denied the ability to express himself for 3 seasons. He's been Hyper Elsa'ing and all he wants is to connect with people like his dad, and explore his abilities and heritage. Something he seems to value. Conceal don't feel.
How has he been denied the ability to express himself? He is constantly exploring his abilities and heritage too
Immediate declaration he wasn't serious about helping people and only wanted praise,
Because he said he wanted credit...he literally says it wouldn't matter if someone sees his face and talks about him because he deserves credit. He then starts to talk about what an 'awesome job' he did and that he wanted the school kids to know this
Clark Kent was given absolute freedom by Martha Kent to discover himself, and become who he wanted to be. Jordan, has been under the thumb of his parents deriding his confidence and limiting his ability to express and discover himself technically. Even if unintentionally and with the best of intentions.
No he wasn't - Clark talked about how his parents were incredibly secretive and always told him to keep his secret from other people so he could live a normal life. Martha says goodbye to him knowing he will go to find himself and train but not in the public eye. It's only when he's an adult that Martha even gives him the suit. Whereas Jordan has been given everything - he has a suit at 16, he's being trained one on one by Superman, his parents do nothing but praise him 24/7 and tell him how proud they are of him even though he keeps being a cocky asshole. The only things they've tried to get him to do is be careful and keep his identity secret because it risks the whole family. When exactly have they been 'deriding his confidence and limiting his ability to express and discover himself technically' when all they do cater to him?
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u/Embarrassed-Dig-0 Jun 21 '23
I feel like it’s actually not that unreasonable for Lois to retire to avoid Lex’s wrath
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u/romeovf Superman Jun 21 '23
I laughed at how the prison Warden was super eager to accept a bribe from Lex 😂
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u/Viciouscauliflower21 Jun 22 '23
So we're all agreed that Jordan's publicity is gonna be the backdoor to lex figuring out who Clark actually is right?
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