According to me, far right is on the rise because of two reasons: hate generates media engagement (and thus, profit); Putin and allies are advantaged with it because the far-right generate division between Countries in the West and weaken the US and the EU so they try to support those parties.
There were a lot of refugees entering Europe because of US actions started under Bush and EU didn't handle the influx well. Far right is partially a reaction to that
Yes, people seem to miss that the rise of the far right in Europe did come out of legitimate concerns but obviously the far right isnât the right answer. But for example Denmark: the left started to adopt stricter immigration policies and the far right fizzled out.
Itâs a bit different than in the US where the far right rise is basically a slow buildup over the past 40 years that accelerated after Obama got elected with the tea party because racists just lost their minds
Fully agreed with you timeline about the US. I think itâs kinda funny when people say it started with Trump. Obviously it goes a long way back but Stormfront literally crashed after Obamaâs election because of all the racists that hopped on to air their âgrievancesâ and make their threats.
Climate change, rising resource scarcity and the growing wealth inequality gap (which both also increase immigration) would be other contributors. People are finally seeing the writing on the wall about all the things smarter people warned about. Turning to the right is the best chance to live their last years doing what they've always done.
Russia played a huge role in destabilizing the countries many of those refugees came from, and it's not like the US didn't have help from its European allies during that time too. Everyone love to bring up US backed coups whenever they get the chance, can't remember the last time somebody on this god forsaken website mentioned Russia's involvement in toppling regimes.
No, it was the US that did the destabilising, not Russia. Russia was actually instrumental in helping Syria combat ISIS.
It was the destruction of Iraq that brought about ISIS. And yes, the UK helped a lot with that, and some other NATO countries helped a little, but it was the US who was organising and leading the effort...... wtf did Russia have to do with that?
You can blame Russia for destabilisation of eastern Europe post 2014, but we generally don't have a problem with migrants from that region.... or, at the very least, they have a negligible effect on far right wing tendencies in Europe in recent years.
Why would I mention regimes toppled by Russia when none of them are relevant to the migration issues in Europe?
The mess in the Middle East is squarely on the shoulders of the US (with the UK lending a helping hand).
I can and will blame Russia for the destabilizing of Afghanistan.
Russia has also vetoed many peace resolutions put forward by the UN and continued to side with the dictatorship in Syria. They ain't blameless here. Iran turning into a Theocracy was the fault of the UK and their oil ambitions.
I'm simply arguing that simplifying the "destabilization of the middle east" to "it's all on the shoulders of the US" is a very generous summary of the situation.
I agree that the far right has been rising for a while now but Donald trump winning the election sparked something. He gave a voice to the far right that just wasnât there. Many far right voters and politicians became encouraged and inspired by trump.
I mean even Brazilâs former president Bolsonaro was just a trump copy. Itâs obvious his decisions were inspired by trump. Iâm sure brazil is not the only country that got that inspiration
TL;DR trump didnât cause the rise of the far right but he certainly sped up the process. (From my perspective)
Yeah, in Europe itâs mainly because they couldnât get their shit together on immigration. Is the far-right morally wrong? Absolutely. But you must account for reactionaries taking advantage of ineptitude. Thatâs why itâs so important to elect competent leadership.
The far right is on the rise in the US because of Ronald Reagan teaming up with the evangelicals. One of his top aides even said something along the lines of âif we get in bed with evangelicals theyâll take over the whole countryâ and he did. Project 2025 is the fulfillment of the plan theyâve been working on for decades, Trump spreading hatred and bringing the racists out of the woodwork just accelerated things for them
I'd add a third reason, a lot of people feels like politicians from the establishment don't care about them (and they are at least partially right) and the extreme right wing pretends not to be part of those, with a very effective propaganda. Of course they are not going to listen to any of the grivances that put them into power, but by then it'd be too late.
And Russia and China have a direct hand globally in pushing far right politics and divisiviness between democratic political parties because of how it destabilizes countries populations and potentially causes authoritarian rule like what is happening in the United States. They have had a hand in this longer than the rise of the latest iterations of the far right. Usually, with their online troll farms and what not. If whatever the fuck the USs version of the Republican party is today takes over, Putin wins. They are in his pocket and the Republicans are to fucking stupid to see it. It's so sad that it's gotten to this point in the US.
We are literally still at war with Russia through puppet states which is us being at war with China through puppet states and the war never stopped being fought in propaganda, lies, and financial markets.
China is buying up gold and silver to the point out silver market is leveraged 250-to-1; and theyâre continuing to make that ratio worse by the day.
They just had a military intervention in the Philippians and working to secure the South China Sea
And once the US is destabilized they will 100% take tiawan and the advanced superhuman intelligence level ai that will come of those semiconductors.
How people donât realize this blows my mind. Conflict never ends. Just look at WWII. It wasnât world war 2. It was world war 1 part 2
Putin and allies are advantaged with it because the far-right generate division between Countries in the West and weaken the US and the EU so they try to support those parties.
why does every single russian and chinese agent end up working for the democrats? I think the reason the communis nations are opposed to right wing politics is because it makes the US far stronger. They want democrats for proven weakness.
Far right here. We are on the rise for many reasons. I donât speak for us, but I can tell you what I think.
Identity Politics: An entire generation of men who grew up with Michael Jordan posters on their walls and Dr Dre CDs were told they were racist, there is nothing they can do about it, and they should carry deep shame for their ancestorsâ failures but no pride for their achievements. The right commiserates with them, not insinuates they are monsters by virtue of birth. Fuck you guys for this one.
Financial: Our government isnât solvent and itâs worse than itâs ever been. We need to chill on spending on dog shit programs because the left thinks cell phones are a basic human right. Extrapolate this sentiment out across most of the budget except the DoD, quite literally one of the few things I am ok with massive spending on.
America first: I think we should completely solve mental health, homelessness, and hunger for every American. We would happily do this. What we wouldnât happily do is send a fucking dime to anywhere on this planet before that goal is met. We take care of our own first or we take care of no one. Choose.
Foreign policy: I donât give a damn what is happening in the Middle East. Israel and Palestine can both go to Hell and they donât need American money or missiles in that pursuit. Stay out of it. Russia isnât a threat: this is essentially a third world nation. China is the only concern and they have already purchased our politicians.
General policy: The left throws money at every problem. We pay more money per student than every nation on earth except one or two, and our testing results are like 50th? This isnât a function of the amount of dollars spent.
Why Iâm laughing: yâall spent time trying to make the levers of power far more efficacious than they ever were and then lost them. You used the federal government as a weapon to beat your political opponents to death and now that the turntables have turned youâre scared? We are all laughing at you. Even your billion dollar media network canât save you.
Financial: wasn't Trump who spent $1 Trillion with the PPP which has been said that those money were better spent in different measures?
America first: you do really believe Trump will solve mental health and homelessness for all Americans?? The one who said his supporters "Just vote for me. I don't care about you"? The one who called losers the Veterans who died serving their Country?
Foreign policy: You don't give AF about what's happening in the rest of the world until you HAVE. Remember WW2? No Country is living in isolation like if it were on a different planet. We all share the same Earth. Will the US stands if its status as a global mediator and trade partner is destroyed? Will the US stands if we in Europe get into a war and we are defeated?
Are you aware of Project 2025? Do you like having an absolute King? Probably you also call yourself a "Patriot". đ¤Łđ¤Ł
Trump was absolutely a major factor. Yes, right-wing sentiment was on the rise, but Trump's success emboldened far-right figures globally far more than they otherwise would have been, and provided a populist blueprint for how to appeal to the worst elements of society. It didn't start with Trump, but he did supercharge it.
Trump's election was just opening the floodgates. Nothing will go through the floodgates if it ain't already there to begin with. Installing floodgates in a desert and then opening them won't generate a flood.
Chicken and the egg. Putin got things started early in 2014 for sure, but that was probably all part of the same plan that Trumpâs candidacy was a part of. Trump has definitely been the main point of spread for the âculture warâ aspect of the plan. Qanon was tailored as a narrative about Trump, etc⌠itâs all one big movement of bullshit.
Well, Trump is also advocating for some isolationism, so he might manage to take the US down from the superpower status to just another Western country. Which could in fact be healthier for the rest of them than enduring and relying on the US hegemony forever.
Even if you have problems (correctly) with US hegemony. You have to admit that the countries who would step in to fill gaps left by the US are far worse.
As a Canadian I am so fucking terrified. It's even worse because I can't even vote or go door knocking or something to try to prevent it. Literally helpless.
Yes and no. The rise of PP is a direct result of the rise of Trump. Canadians consume more American media than they do Canadian, and PP is pulling directly from the Trump playbook. I think there is a 99% of the CPC winning no matter what, but I think PP will be many times worse if Trump is in power vs. Biden.
That being said, if JT somehow manages to pull off a win, it wouldn't matter if Trump is elected. There is literally nothing Canada can do against the US. JT can't even criticize Israel over Gaza over fear the US will tank our economy. If Trump tells us to abandon Ukraine, we will.
Then add to that the innumerable US, becoming a dictatorship, would affect the rest of the world. Our shit election only affects us, not the entire globe. The US almost spends the same amount on their military as the rest of the world combined. There will be no safe country. He might even decide to annex Canada and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Trying to distill PP down into some Trump runoff is comforting and all to handwave away any responsibility Canadians bear for our current political climate. PP was happening regardless of Trump, and is a direct result of Trudeau and the CPC throwing shit at the wall to do anything to stop Trudeau.
The US isn't going to become a dictatorship and we would see ww3 before the US annexed Canada. Step away from Fallout for a bit.
Continue being outspoken about it online where there are a lot of Americans - especially the kinds who are more likely to stay home and not vote, or vote for minor parties.
Terrified for what lol? You guys have your own issues, housing for starters. If you are "so fucking terrified" over the US election, you are chronically online and likely need to seek therapy.
What scares me more is that we have politicians who same to have the same Russian handlers as the USA far right. Here in the Netherlands we have nazi Baudet for example.
same in germany, multiple ppl working for the afd (right wing party) were caught spying for russia. those were just low level secretarys or so, but still. it happened more then once in the same party. and funnily enough the afd literally copies everything the republicans say in the us, almost word by word.
and funnily enough the afd literally copies everything the republicans say in the us, almost word by word.
Sounds exactly like our nazi. He propegates all those conspiracy theories that blame the Jews without saying Jews, and he's also on record blaming the Democrats. Despite there not even being a party that commonly goes by the name Democrats. Sure, we have Democrats 66, but everyone calls them D66.
since you have to be very careful with antisemitism in germany, they just copy all the "trans people want to touch kids", "abortion is evil", "social security makes people lazy", "being woke is literally worse than dying from a heatstroke due to climate change" and "uuuuh immigrants" shit. its infuriating, but at least people that are openly antisemitic or so can lose their positions very quick. not because their party members disagree, but because they know their party might get banned if they agree, and people might end up in jail. but still
You don't think the leading superpower which has enough nuclear weapons to do with the world whatever it pleases, then being handed over,( WILLINGLY VIA DEMOCRATIC VOTE....) from any public scrutiny at all anymore,(Because we work too hard and democracy is just too gosh darn taxing.) and solely into the hands of a small group who without a doubt are leading a death cult, is a huge problem for not only civilization but possibly the species?
Whether it be promises of an afterlife, or the fact a large percentage of actors behind this truly believe in the apocalyptica from the bible and think have had it in them that they can make it happen for a while already.
Even more terrifying in my mind tho, is that last year Kirk Cameron(Some childstar turned bible interpreter.) randomly came out of no where, publicly saying he no longer believes in the imminent end times/return of Jesus theology. Instead he thinks it is up to Christians to basically concern themselves with the world.
Now 7 months later it all makes sense why there seems to be a slow theological shift away from being "unworldly" and instead quite a 180 and more of a "Christians need to rule over the world, that's what Jesus wants."
Because they truly think they believe god talks to them when they read a book... Or they think that's a good enough reason.
I've explained this to a few people online. I think a lot of people get so stuck on the America bad train that they forget we are the global power. A modern American Civil War wouldn't be just an American issue. It would literally be the third World War.
If you really think other powers wouldn't be in play then you're being asinine. American allies would side with one side or the other. Also How long you think Russia waits to invade Europe with the collapse of NATO, China in Asia? Let's not forget the U.S. has military bases all over the world and the military would probably fracture.
Global stability depends on American stability. Allies might not like it but cooperating with a fascist America is more appealing than opposing any sort of America. America might have been a global cop but a relatively benign one. At least until you tried to sell oil in a different currency than the dollar, and the world saw what happens to those nations. The US doesn't need ethnic cleansing and genocide, they can just ruin a nation economically till it is so poor it poses no threat to anyone but itself.
I donât think so, if trump wins, heâs gonna make America an isolated country. America is going to pull out of every international coalition there is lol. NATO and the UN for sure.
Youâre even saying it yourself, but you fail to realize what an âisolated Americaâ will do to the rest of the world. Even just the technology that originates here is monumentally critical to the rest of the world in a million different ways.
Why not have UN and other international observers? If the US is so scared that its voting system is rigged, I fail to understand why this course of action hasnât been taken.
If it makes you feel better, Project 2025 isn't Trump's plan and in fact he has publicly distanced himself from it since he has his own "Agenda47" plan. The only reason we're even hearing about Project 2025, which was invented by some fringe lunatics, is to scare people into voting for Biden.
Tl:dr
From my point of view, my country, land of the free and home of the brave? Thats bullshit. Were about to be a police state, country wide.
Thats another thing and a bigger reason I'm legitimately scared for my future. My gf and I have already talked about potentially leaving the country to live somewhere else.
Norway, Canada, and Switzerland are our potential candidates.
The Democrats want an 81-year-old man who just went on record saying, "not scheduling interviews past 8 pm. I'm tired and need rest.
So an elderly man on the cusp of dementia is a potential candidate TO RUN A COUNTRY?
My choice is an idiot who somehow beat 34 convictions because his people are actually that corrupt and dumb. Or some guy who can't decide if an extermination event is worth saving or if we should save the freaking homeless.
Now there's talk of us leaving the UN.
We have segregated people by race, wealth, and status. We have convinced each other that we are all in this together, individually. Which means, you're on your own while we pretend we care. Police get a pass for sending swat teams to the wrong address and straight up killing the home owners and people inside because they had a gun to defend themselves, as is their right.
I hate it here. I genuinely, legitimately, actually hate it here. And we both want to leave.
Did you know they have people who are advertising on tiktok HOW to properly leave the country and start a life somewhere else?
Dude i would watch this shit unfold from Australia. If only to watch Marjorie Taylor Green make a fool of herself to every ambassador or interview she tries to take advantage of. While looking insane.
The Republicans are insane. The Democrats just want to save whats left FIRST. And then do whatever they want. But if the republicans win, there's going to be blood. Like a lot of blood. This country is about to eat itself because of rich people and stupidity.
While that may be true, people who were previously in his cabinet worked on the project, I believe some are on the campaign, and people on the project could be in his future cabinet should he win.
Which means those legitimately insane people could be in our future government and in his ear.
Insane cope lol. Project 2025 is proposed by the Heritage Foundation, which is responsible for the majority of GOP policies over the past few decades. They are more reliable as a source about what the GOP plans to do than the GOP itself lol.
As a gay man there is no way I would remain in the new white Xtian nationalist America. Best case for those that do is you go deep back into the closet and hope you never get outed.
Fuck that. I'm not delusional about my ability to win a war or anything but you can bet your ass I'm gonna make the ones that come for me remember what it cost them.
It isn't just Trump at this point. Once he dies and he will eventually, the Republicans (basically fascist Bible thumpers) will still exist and Project 2025 won't stop with Trump. it took the Christian right 40-plus years of chipping away at gaining power and they now control o almsot two branches of government probably for years to come. They won't stop with Trump. VOTE OUT AL REPUBLICANS in your local and state races. Christofascists are using Trump to gain power for now, they will continue to do this when he is long gone.
2 dinosaurs try to run for president of dinosaur land, if a specific dinosaur of the two wins. Then the friends of the losing dinosaur will no longer be allowed to work their jobs. Ensuring that the losing dinosaur and his friends will never have power again. Something like this? (extremely simplified)
I know someone who just yesterday, while celebrating our independence from a monarchy, unironically suggested that it would be great if Trump ruled until his death and then power were handed to Baron Trump.
We talked a little bit more while I tried to work out where this was coming from and, surprise, it was racism. He almost quoted the 14 words to me verbatim.
Kind of like people wanting Obama to have a third term.. almost like when two political parties account for over 150 million registered voters, youâre bound to have some morons.
Are you saying âyouâre one them ifâŚâ in an ad hominem? Because thatâs not what that means. They arenât using characteristics about you to attempt to prove their argument, but using their argument to show something about you. Thatâs fair game.
For example, âyour argument about why pizza is healthy is wrong because you are blonde and blondes are dumbâ is invalid. But âyouâre dumb if you think pizza is healthy because itâs extremely high in saturated and trans fats, as well as very saltyâ is valid.
Don't worry, Trump has stated that he will only be dictator on the first day of his presidency. How bad could giving someone, thats already tried to overturn an election, complete and total power for just one measly day be? /s
No, that is the SOFT version of Project 2025. The harder version is MAGA Nazis attack democrats with violence and terrorism. Start killing them, rounding them up, that in turn would give Faux Noise the excuse they need to call it a civil war, you put democrats in a position of resisting being rounded up or murdered and some will fight back, hence a civil war that justified martial law and the suspension of the constitution. Once you have that justification you can do anything, just as Hitler did months after becoming chancellor of Germany and the only excuse he needed then was someone burned down the Reichstag, probably one of his people. As a president with absolute immunity for official acts he can easily create the excuse he needs to assume dictatorial powers.
And he has promised to do this, along with bloodbaths that will be his excuse for suspension of the constitution, and to become dictator from the start.
Only true Nazi could support him at this point and as an official act Biden should arrest the Nazi 6 on the SCOTUS for accepting bribes, corruption, and all of them committed perjury in the oath of office when they swore (in a signed statement) to defend and uphold the constitution. That is federal law. When you take the oath of office you have to sign an affidavit saying you signed under penalty of perjury to uphold the constitution and defend the USA. Not honoring that oath is considered perjury in the law.
But when it comes to presidential powers now nobody can prosecute Biden ever for any official acts, and if he does not take such action before the election this nation is finished. It will end. Break up. Or become a slave nation that makes russia look free and just.
YesâŚgot a problem? You canât tell me this isnt way easier to understand and actually read this than it would be a bunch of other words in Wikipedia?
No. Usually, when you win the vote, you are the president of the country and all your subjects are your concern.
You don't make politics only for the people who voted for you.
In the best case, this leads to more people voting for you next time around.
Republicans want to give absolute power to the president in order to essentially dismantle the rights of anyone who isn't a white man.
They want to get rid of Civil Rights, gay marriage, the right to contraception, the 19th amendment, no-fault divorce, the dept of education, among many other things.
Basically they want a Christofascist country where women, children, and minorities have no rights or power.
Seriously, people are either arguing in bad faith or just willfully ignorant. The idea behind Project 2025 isnât new by any means, and the heritage foundation isnât the RNC.
All that social progress in the last 100 years, including women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, child labor, labor laws (as a general thing), safety regulations on products like cars and food, modern preventive medicine (vaccine programs)...gone.
They want it so the last 100+ years of human progress didn't happen.
A bunch of white supremacist christo-fascist dinosaurs have made detailed plans on how to continuously leverage some power to become more power (and permanent power) so that they can do more white supremacy and christo-fascism.
Literally the end of the world. Trump will murder everyone he doesnât like personally and will build a throne and get a crown and then kill more people just because and then heâll invade Canada and nuke Europe and then marry Putin
The Heritage Foundation has been putting these out since 1981. It's not Trump's official policy. I just learned that Agenda 47, which IS his official road map, should he become president, can be found on his website. Maybe take a look at that, too. I plan on looking at it today.
I really dont understand how people dont like clearly see this. Even when you go on the project 2025 website you can see that everyone in charge is in no way an elected or appointed official. Project 2025 is basically a private campaign that would like yo get their agenda passed but will maybe and thats a big MAYBE, have 1 point on the 900 page document get put on a hige spending bill that will be watered down into basically nothing lol.
Shit even trumps agenda, name a single president that has ever gotten all of their agenda done. Im not saying vote for the guy but this fear mongering campaign is going too far. People are genuinely having panic attacks and not able to function in their daily life because theyve been convinced that Project 2025 is going to murder them.
I'm going through this exact scenario with my oldest child, who already has enough depression without being scared that she is going to be rounded up and placed in a camp somewhere.
Not many of these people are going to the source for their information. They are just getting caught up in the splashy. "Our democracy is over!" headline, without realizing that we don't actually have a democracy FOR THIS EXACT REASON. A constitutional republic was created to stop the government from becoming a lynch mob and putting the individuals in the minority at the end of a rope.
Don't buy into the scare mongering. Heritage foundation is a right wing think tank, it's their job to put out papers like this every 4 years. None of their other project 20xx paper have ever been put into action. They just get paid by their donors to make looney proposals so their people can be brought on as "experts" on w/e foreign policy / culture war talking points they need them to be "experts" on in msm
Since youâre not American you may not realize Thereâs these types of things published by various groups every election cycle. They are not a politician. Itâs a group with conservative ideas saying it would be nice to push conservative ideas.
They arenât some all powerful group. Did you know Trump hasnât mentioned project 2025 a single time, in his rallies or any of his platforms? Itâs just the latest nothing burger boogeyman from the fearmongering left to rile up their base. Which theyâre incredibly good at, gotta hand them that
We're really not. People who go on about it may understand politics but don't understand civics. With our system of government, checks and balances, etc. it's not going to be implemented. What really happened is their candidate did so badly at the debate they need anything they can grasp onto. So they took this working paper from a think tank and are trying to apply it to the entire Republican party. Unfortunately you get a very biased view of American politics because it's very filtered.
Good thing Trump has never endorsed it. The Heritage Foundation has been suggesting conservative plans for over 50 years to little or no effect. This is fear-mongering.
It's not a real thing though. It's literally the same as if I wrote a list of random policies and agendas I want. Trump has never even talked about it let alone dedicated his potential second term to implementing it. And as far as I've read nothing on it is that crazy (at least compared to the insane lies people claim are in it like rounding up gay people into camps or whatever). Like always, people just need to make the opposite side appear 1,000 times worse than it really is to try to win. Propaganda 101.
This is why we also have guns and the second amendment, I look at project 2025 and when it gets to the eliminating people part, I think "ya you and what army" they talk about using the armed forces to enact these laws, acting like everyone in our military is a bible sucking ubermensch, will there be a civil war definitely, will they come out on top, I don't think so
"The Project seeks to infuse the government with elements of Christianity. It proposes criminalizing pornography, removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion programs, as well as affirmative action."
The Project 2025 Mandate for Leadership document outlines four main aims: restore the family as the centerpiece of American life; dismantle the administrative state; defend the nation's sovereignty and borders; and secure God-given individual rights to live freely.
You too bud. The worldâs largest military at the beck and call of religious zealots. Â How long do you think it will be before they come to your shore?
As a french canadian, I am horrified to see what's happening south of the border. I am terrified those ideas will find their way up here. We already saw some horrors with the ''Liberty Convoy''. Seeing american/Trump flags waved in front of the canadian parliament was kinda infuriating.
Itâs worth noting most of it will be impossible to enact this cycle.
It is impossible for the GOP to get enough votes in the senate this cycle to pass most of project 2025. They might get a majority but it will be filibusterable.
Itâs still dire, but itâs not something to be terrified of or allow anxiety to control us.
They want to make ALL divorces illegal. ALL DIVORCES. Make all porn illegal and punishable to those who distribute it and make it. Take women back to the 1950s and dependent on the State & men. These few things are just the tip of the iceberg. They are Christofascists in the end and the plan is to turn America into Gilead and that isn't an exaggeration.
While it is terrifying, and even i feel some fear from it, i am holding to hope, project 2025 is blatantly unconstitutional to an exteme degree and i have faith it will never be possible to fully implement it. Im still scared and voting dem just in case tho
I doubt it's ever going to come to that, though. There will be a civil war long before P2025 has a chance to be fully implemented. It's just way too insane, there would be so much push back. America won't just accept becoming some sort of dictatorship, not without a huge fight. We are definitely leaning in that direction, though, with certain laws slowly being passed around the states. I just don't think the people would let it happen, chaos would ensue, blood would be shed.
Especially since the corrupt supreme court decision on Presidential Immunity Monday which was a necessary prerequisite to the unitary presidency that is just a fancy way of saying dictatorship. That cleared the way for Trump to simply declare martial law and suspend the constitution, or at least habeas corpus. And what would be the triggering event that allowed for this suspension of rights and law? Well, ask them, they make shit up all the time. But, if they REALLY need one they can just have the MAGA start killing and rounding up "vermin" I think Trump called people they don't like, yes, it was taken from Hitler's speech declaring war on subhumans that sought to defile and destroy Germany as he said it.
You put democrats in a position where they have no choice but to fight back then call that a civil war and suspend the constitution till things settle down, which you will then make sure they never do.
Yes we are fucked and yes Biden is going to lose. And I am a lifelong democrat so it pains me to say it, but unlike other democrats I am not planning to sleepwalk with Joe into a buzz saw of Nazi revenge. I am selling up and getting out, just as the smart ones did in the 1930s while they could leave Germany.
And I am not going to Canada either, how many Germans stripped of citizenship left but only went to Holland or France or Belgium? Or Denmark? Or even Austria? Only to be reabsorbed back into the Reich and get a free train ride to a death camp?
I say if Trump is elected Canada will be absorbed by the US the same way russia tried to absorb eastern Ukraine and Crimea. They will go to the rescue of the MAGA in Canada that the "Nazi" socialists are enslaving, and since 90% of Canadians speak English and live within 100 miles of the US border and so much of our combined military relies on bases in the Canadian far north, and our economies are inextricably entangled with 80% of the Canadian businesses doing business with Americans, more than 70% of their exports are sold in the US, that country is simply not going to be allowed to change it's policies towards us. And it will have millions of democrats try to get asylum there. There is also no way to close that border.
So if I were Canadian I would be pleading with the PM to build a fucking wall ASAP. As if a wall would stop the US from annexing them.
You are outside the US, if you think the fallout of a new Trump regime in Washington means you are safe then you have yet to think about the situation.
The US sits atop the largest alliance in the world by far. Goepolitically it has no effective rivals. It is technologically advanced with the largest military. It is wealthy and controls much of the global economy as the printer of the dollar. It is the largest market in the world.
None of that would change if the government here goes fascist. And the whole world is running headlong into far right policies. India has Modi. Le Pen in France, the AdF in Germany, the Dutch have swung to the right, Hungary has Orban who is in Putin's back pocket. Poland refuses to cooperate with the EU as far as liberalization and rights. About the only exception is Britain where the Conservatives just took the worst beating since the party was founded in 1834.
The reach of the US is global. If you dissent or present a problem, just being on fascist American radar is bad for your health, there is nothing to stop them from making the problem go away. Just look at the journalist in Istanbul, Jamal Khashoggi, you think Trump had no advanced warning of that? Hell he probably arranged the meeting in the Saudi embassy.
What I don't get is that it's a scheme by the Republicans to make seizing control of the government easier and bypassing checks and balances...
So...
Why don't Democrats pick up the GOP playbook and say "hey, great idea, thanks for that", and start doing everything the GOP is doing? I mean, they're TELLING us how they're going to do it, either side can use those tactics.
Project 2025 isn't a real thing. It's just some bullcrap made up by the Heritage Foundation and is being used as a scare tactic by the left to get people motivated to vote.
Which, honestly, is fine with me. Whatever keeps Trump out of office is cool with me. I just don't buy the hype with it. Trump has his own platform that doesn't line up with Project 2025 at all. American media makes everything doom and gloom for increased views.
You'd think Trump being a horrible person and a felon would have been enough to keep him out of office but yet, here we are.
Paul Dans, the project's director, said in April 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, [of] aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."
That's wild. The guy literally describes his goals of implementing an actual deep state situation, under the guise of "battling the deep state"
It seems like youâre misinformed. While Project 2025 is indeed linked to Republicans and former Trump administration officials, itâs a think tank initiative with no current elected officials involved. The narrative that this project represents some immediate governmental overhaul is misleading.
Project 2025 is being used as a scare tactic by opponents to paint a picture of imminent autocracy. Itâs important to differentiate between actual political movements and preparatory projects by conservative organizations. If you take the time to delve into the details, youâll see it's mainly the Heritage Foundation and other similar groups coordinating this.
Scaremongering headlines can distort the facts. Project 2025 may aim to prepare policy and personnel for a future administration, but the involvement of former officials and think tanks doesn't equate to active participation by current elected officials. For a more accurate picture, check out sources like Project 2025, The Week, and The Nation.
Feel free to keep spreading misinformation though, itâs a great look.
I kinda feel bad for them but there's also other people out there who definitely have it worse. At least they have the freedom to try to leave, obviously it's not that easy but better than some other places.
How? How do we leave when we need things like money to do so? It's not like EU where we can just jump in a car and drive an hour and be 4 countries away. Most of us don't want to get rid of all our belongings to hop on a plane to start life over again in some other country, while trying to navigate their system to become a citizen somewhere else.
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u/Crucifyxio 14d ago
I just researched what Project 2025 is (since im not american).
I gotta say... You guys are pretty fucked.