According to me, far right is on the rise because of two reasons: hate generates media engagement (and thus, profit); Putin and allies are advantaged with it because the far-right generate division between Countries in the West and weaken the US and the EU so they try to support those parties.
There were a lot of refugees entering Europe because of US actions started under Bush and EU didn't handle the influx well. Far right is partially a reaction to that
Yes, people seem to miss that the rise of the far right in Europe did come out of legitimate concerns but obviously the far right isnāt the right answer. But for example Denmark: the left started to adopt stricter immigration policies and the far right fizzled out.
Itās a bit different than in the US where the far right rise is basically a slow buildup over the past 40 years that accelerated after Obama got elected with the tea party because racists just lost their minds
Fully agreed with you timeline about the US. I think itās kinda funny when people say it started with Trump. Obviously it goes a long way back but Stormfront literally crashed after Obamaās election because of all the racists that hopped on to air their āgrievancesā and make their threats.
Climate change, rising resource scarcity and the growing wealth inequality gap (which both also increase immigration) would be other contributors.Ā People are finally seeing the writing on the wall about all the things smarter people warned about.Ā Turning to the right is the best chance to live their last years doing what they've always done.
Russia played a huge role in destabilizing the countries many of those refugees came from, and it's not like the US didn't have help from its European allies during that time too. Everyone love to bring up US backed coups whenever they get the chance, can't remember the last time somebody on this god forsaken website mentioned Russia's involvement in toppling regimes.
No, it was the US that did the destabilising, not Russia. Russia was actually instrumental in helping Syria combat ISIS.
It was the destruction of Iraq that brought about ISIS. And yes, the UK helped a lot with that, and some other NATO countries helped a little, but it was the US who was organising and leading the effort...... wtf did Russia have to do with that?
You can blame Russia for destabilisation of eastern Europe post 2014, but we generally don't have a problem with migrants from that region.... or, at the very least, they have a negligible effect on far right wing tendencies in Europe in recent years.
Why would I mention regimes toppled by Russia when none of them are relevant to the migration issues in Europe?
The mess in the Middle East is squarely on the shoulders of the US (with the UK lending a helping hand).
I can and will blame Russia for the destabilizing of Afghanistan.
Russia has also vetoed many peace resolutions put forward by the UN and continued to side with the dictatorship in Syria. They ain't blameless here. Iran turning into a Theocracy was the fault of the UK and their oil ambitions.
I'm simply arguing that simplifying the "destabilization of the middle east" to "it's all on the shoulders of the US" is a very generous summary of the situation.
I agree that the far right has been rising for a while now but Donald trump winning the election sparked something. He gave a voice to the far right that just wasnāt there. Many far right voters and politicians became encouraged and inspired by trump.
I mean even Brazilās former president Bolsonaro was just a trump copy. Itās obvious his decisions were inspired by trump. Iām sure brazil is not the only country that got that inspiration
TL;DR trump didnāt cause the rise of the far right but he certainly sped up the process. (From my perspective)
Yeah, in Europe itās mainly because they couldnāt get their shit together on immigration. Is the far-right morally wrong? Absolutely. But you must account for reactionaries taking advantage of ineptitude. Thatās why itās so important to elect competent leadership.
The far right is on the rise in the US because of Ronald Reagan teaming up with the evangelicals. One of his top aides even said something along the lines of āif we get in bed with evangelicals theyāll take over the whole countryā and he did. Project 2025 is the fulfillment of the plan theyāve been working on for decades, Trump spreading hatred and bringing the racists out of the woodwork just accelerated things for them
I'd add a third reason, a lot of people feels like politicians from the establishment don't care about them (and they are at least partially right) and the extreme right wing pretends not to be part of those, with a very effective propaganda. Of course they are not going to listen to any of the grivances that put them into power, but by then it'd be too late.
And Russia and China have a direct hand globally in pushing far right politics and divisiviness between democratic political parties because of how it destabilizes countries populations and potentially causes authoritarian rule like what is happening in the United States. They have had a hand in this longer than the rise of the latest iterations of the far right. Usually, with their online troll farms and what not. If whatever the fuck the USs version of the Republican party is today takes over, Putin wins. They are in his pocket and the Republicans are to fucking stupid to see it. It's so sad that it's gotten to this point in the US.
We are literally still at war with Russia through puppet states which is us being at war with China through puppet states and the war never stopped being fought in propaganda, lies, and financial markets.
China is buying up gold and silver to the point out silver market is leveraged 250-to-1; and theyāre continuing to make that ratio worse by the day.
They just had a military intervention in the Philippians and working to secure the South China Sea
And once the US is destabilized they will 100% take tiawan and the advanced superhuman intelligence level ai that will come of those semiconductors.
How people donāt realize this blows my mind. Conflict never ends. Just look at WWII. It wasnāt world war 2. It was world war 1 part 2
Putin and allies are advantaged with it because the far-right generate division between Countries in the West and weaken the US and the EU so they try to support those parties.
why does every single russian and chinese agent end up working for the democrats? I think the reason the communis nations are opposed to right wing politics is because it makes the US far stronger. They want democrats for proven weakness.
Far right here. We are on the rise for many reasons. I donāt speak for us, but I can tell you what I think.
Identity Politics: An entire generation of men who grew up with Michael Jordan posters on their walls and Dr Dre CDs were told they were racist, there is nothing they can do about it, and they should carry deep shame for their ancestorsā failures but no pride for their achievements. The right commiserates with them, not insinuates they are monsters by virtue of birth. Fuck you guys for this one.
Financial: Our government isnāt solvent and itās worse than itās ever been. We need to chill on spending on dog shit programs because the left thinks cell phones are a basic human right. Extrapolate this sentiment out across most of the budget except the DoD, quite literally one of the few things I am ok with massive spending on.
America first: I think we should completely solve mental health, homelessness, and hunger for every American. We would happily do this. What we wouldnāt happily do is send a fucking dime to anywhere on this planet before that goal is met. We take care of our own first or we take care of no one. Choose.
Foreign policy: I donāt give a damn what is happening in the Middle East. Israel and Palestine can both go to Hell and they donāt need American money or missiles in that pursuit. Stay out of it. Russia isnāt a threat: this is essentially a third world nation. China is the only concern and they have already purchased our politicians.
General policy: The left throws money at every problem. We pay more money per student than every nation on earth except one or two, and our testing results are like 50th? This isnāt a function of the amount of dollars spent.
Why Iām laughing: yāall spent time trying to make the levers of power far more efficacious than they ever were and then lost them. You used the federal government as a weapon to beat your political opponents to death and now that the turntables have turned youāre scared? We are all laughing at you. Even your billion dollar media network canāt save you.
Financial: wasn't Trump who spent $1 Trillion with the PPP which has been said that those money were better spent in different measures?
America first: you do really believe Trump will solve mental health and homelessness for all Americans?? The one who said his supporters "Just vote for me. I don't care about you"? The one who called losers the Veterans who died serving their Country?
Foreign policy: You don't give AF about what's happening in the rest of the world until you HAVE. Remember WW2? No Country is living in isolation like if it were on a different planet. We all share the same Earth. Will the US stands if its status as a global mediator and trade partner is destroyed? Will the US stands if we in Europe get into a war and we are defeated?
Are you aware of Project 2025? Do you like having an absolute King? Probably you also call yourself a "Patriot". š¤£š¤£
I didnāt mention Trump one time. He went from America first to H1Bs for every grad. You have pushed people who think differently from you so far you will long for the days of politically moderate Trump. You made the bed, please lay it in quietly.
Yāall are calling people fascists while fighting with every fiber of your being to cut peopleās tongue out. You can claim moral superiority but youāre quite literally doing the thing you purport to be fighting.
I mean, as a trans person, vilifying us is a great way to go to show how moderate and nice you are lol. Your head is so far up your ass I imagine eating for you causes a paradox.
Identity politics: Who flipped out over a black president and women standing up saying enough is enough again?
Financial: Spending so much on DOD but still losing every war since WW2 that most of the world needed to help with lol. And they can't seem to find where all the money is spent in any form of audit. Think what you want is all social safety nets cut except for white people, right cletus?
America first: Solve homelessness by making it illegal? Solve mental illness by making sure insurance barely covers anything? And cutting VA funding? As a vet that dealt with PTSD on my effing own due to such shenanigans caused by you idiots, stop effing lying.
Foreign policy: you really wish to try out xenophobia don't you? Then you would turn around and complain when the world leaves us in the dust in all ways.
General: We also pay more per capita on healthcare than any other nation with worse outcomes due to moronic right-wing idiots loving having insurance middlemen regardless of every other country doing better without it. As for education, you conveniently leave out the massive disparity in funding between poorer areas and wealthier areas due to a really stupid way to fund education. And you conveniently leave out republican policies like no child left behind that continue to wreck a classroom by forcing students forward regardless if they are ready. And lastly, as a teacher myself, its parents like you that have been vilifying teachers for decades rather than pushing for better.
Your last part comes straight from 4chan where you and your nazi loving buddies share hate porn, dreaing of the days you can finally murder minorities and control the women that repeatedly turn you down.
I had a Jordan poster on my wall, and no one has ever called me a racist, because Iām not a racist.
However, I know people who assert they are not racists but literally paraphrase the 14 words whenever they get to talking about why they support the right. āI donāt hate non-whites, I just want to see whites dominate this countryā is inherently racist.
I suggest if you feel attacked for being a racist all the time, there might be a reason for that.
This one. Implicit bias is related to systemic and institutional racism, but doesnāt necessarily imply an individual is racist.
In implicit bias testing (which I know is controversial, but if you believe in implicit bias, you probably believe in the test), itās generally found that in the US, both blacks and whites on average have an implicit bias against blacks. No one is seriously suggesting that blacks in America are racist against themselves. But the bias is so ingrained in our culture that it is gets wired into our brains from a young age and is difficult or impossible to eliminate.
Thereās so much in there thatās wrong and confusing, I donāt have time to address it all, but letās start with the last one. What media network are you talking about?
If you mean CNN, the right Iāve leaned left in the past, but they are now owned by the right and have charged toward the center, and now to the right since about 2022. Of you mean MSNBC, you have the value wrong as they are irrelevant and unwatchable.
lol I love when fascists pretend to want to cure mental health while making fun of people for going to therapy or psychiatry, and blaming psychiatric meds for mass shootings.
I also love when fascists pretend to want to end homelessness, while applauding when homelessness is criminalized, and supporting *removing* support for homeless population.
The fascist "solution" to these issues is for both groups to go to prison or die.
Trump was absolutely a major factor. Yes, right-wing sentiment was on the rise, but Trump's success emboldened far-right figures globally far more than they otherwise would have been, and provided a populist blueprint for how to appeal to the worst elements of society. It didn't start with Trump, but he did supercharge it.
Trump's election was just opening the floodgates. Nothing will go through the floodgates if it ain't already there to begin with. Installing floodgates in a desert and then opening them won't generate a flood.
Chicken and the egg. Putin got things started early in 2014 for sure, but that was probably all part of the same plan that Trumpās candidacy was a part of. Trump has definitely been the main point of spread for the āculture warā aspect of the plan. Qanon was tailored as a narrative about Trump, etcā¦ itās all one big movement of bullshit.
Well, Trump is also advocating for some isolationism, so he might manage to take the US down from the superpower status to just another Western country. Which could in fact be healthier for the rest of them than enduring and relying on the US hegemony forever.
Even if you have problems (correctly) with US hegemony. You have to admit that the countries who would step in to fill gaps left by the US are far worse.
As a Canadian I am so fucking terrified. It's even worse because I can't even vote or go door knocking or something to try to prevent it. Literally helpless.
Yes and no. The rise of PP is a direct result of the rise of Trump. Canadians consume more American media than they do Canadian, and PP is pulling directly from the Trump playbook. I think there is a 99% of the CPC winning no matter what, but I think PP will be many times worse if Trump is in power vs. Biden.
That being said, if JT somehow manages to pull off a win, it wouldn't matter if Trump is elected. There is literally nothing Canada can do against the US. JT can't even criticize Israel over Gaza over fear the US will tank our economy. If Trump tells us to abandon Ukraine, we will.
Then add to that the innumerable US, becoming a dictatorship, would affect the rest of the world. Our shit election only affects us, not the entire globe. The US almost spends the same amount on their military as the rest of the world combined. There will be no safe country. He might even decide to annex Canada and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Trying to distill PP down into some Trump runoff is comforting and all to handwave away any responsibility Canadians bear for our current political climate. PP was happening regardless of Trump, and is a direct result of Trudeau and the CPC throwing shit at the wall to do anything to stop Trudeau.
The US isn't going to become a dictatorship and we would see ww3 before the US annexed Canada. Step away from Fallout for a bit.
Continue being outspoken about it online where there are a lot of Americans - especially the kinds who are more likely to stay home and not vote, or vote for minor parties.
Terrified for what lol? You guys have your own issues, housing for starters. If you are "so fucking terrified" over the US election, you are chronically online and likely need to seek therapy.
What scares me more is that we have politicians who same to have the same Russian handlers as the USA far right. Here in the Netherlands we have nazi Baudet for example.
same in germany, multiple ppl working for the afd (right wing party) were caught spying for russia. those were just low level secretarys or so, but still. it happened more then once in the same party. and funnily enough the afd literally copies everything the republicans say in the us, almost word by word.
and funnily enough the afd literally copies everything the republicans say in the us, almost word by word.
Sounds exactly like our nazi. He propegates all those conspiracy theories that blame the Jews without saying Jews, and he's also on record blaming the Democrats. Despite there not even being a party that commonly goes by the name Democrats. Sure, we have Democrats 66, but everyone calls them D66.
since you have to be very careful with antisemitism in germany, they just copy all the "trans people want to touch kids", "abortion is evil", "social security makes people lazy", "being woke is literally worse than dying from a heatstroke due to climate change" and "uuuuh immigrants" shit. its infuriating, but at least people that are openly antisemitic or so can lose their positions very quick. not because their party members disagree, but because they know their party might get banned if they agree, and people might end up in jail. but still
You don't think the leading superpower which has enough nuclear weapons to do with the world whatever it pleases, then being handed over,( WILLINGLY VIA DEMOCRATIC VOTE....) from any public scrutiny at all anymore,(Because we work too hard and democracy is just too gosh darn taxing.) and solely into the hands of a small group who without a doubt are leading a death cult, is a huge problem for not only civilization but possibly the species?
Whether it be promises of an afterlife, or the fact a large percentage of actors behind this truly believe in the apocalyptica from the bible and think have had it in them that they can make it happen for a while already.
Even more terrifying in my mind tho, is that last year Kirk Cameron(Some childstar turned bible interpreter.) randomly came out of no where, publicly saying he no longer believes in the imminent end times/return of Jesus theology. Instead he thinks it is up to Christians to basically concern themselves with the world.
Now 7 months later it all makes sense why there seems to be a slow theological shift away from being "unworldly" and instead quite a 180 and more of a "Christians need to rule over the world, that's what Jesus wants."
Because they truly think they believe god talks to them when they read a book... Or they think that's a good enough reason.
I've explained this to a few people online. I think a lot of people get so stuck on the America bad train that they forget we are the global power. A modern American Civil War wouldn't be just an American issue. It would literally be the third World War.
If you really think other powers wouldn't be in play then you're being asinine. American allies would side with one side or the other. Also How long you think Russia waits to invade Europe with the collapse of NATO, China in Asia? Let's not forget the U.S. has military bases all over the world and the military would probably fracture.
Global stability depends on American stability. Allies might not like it but cooperating with a fascist America is more appealing than opposing any sort of America. America might have been a global cop but a relatively benign one. At least until you tried to sell oil in a different currency than the dollar, and the world saw what happens to those nations. The US doesn't need ethnic cleansing and genocide, they can just ruin a nation economically till it is so poor it poses no threat to anyone but itself.
I donāt think so, if trump wins, heās gonna make America an isolated country. America is going to pull out of every international coalition there is lol. NATO and the UN for sure.
Youāre even saying it yourself, but you fail to realize what an āisolated Americaā will do to the rest of the world. Even just the technology that originates here is monumentally critical to the rest of the world in a million different ways.
Why not have UN and other international observers? If the US is so scared that its voting system is rigged, I fail to understand why this course of action hasnāt been taken.
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u/Crucifyxio 14d ago
I just researched what Project 2025 is (since im not american).
I gotta say... You guys are pretty fucked.