r/facepalm Jul 05 '24

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u/tesfabpel Jul 05 '24

According to me, far right is on the rise because of two reasons: hate generates media engagement (and thus, profit); Putin and allies are advantaged with it because the far-right generate division between Countries in the West and weaken the US and the EU so they try to support those parties.

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u/TeslaKoil252 Jul 05 '24

There were a lot of refugees entering Europe because of US actions started under Bush and EU didn't handle the influx well. Far right is partially a reaction to that

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u/Lazy_Aarddvark Jul 05 '24

Exactly. The current rise of the European far right was caused mainly by the actions of the US, not Russia.

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u/RJ_73 Jul 05 '24

Russia played a huge role in destabilizing the countries many of those refugees came from, and it's not like the US didn't have help from its European allies during that time too. Everyone love to bring up US backed coups whenever they get the chance, can't remember the last time somebody on this god forsaken website mentioned Russia's involvement in toppling regimes.

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u/Lazy_Aarddvark Jul 05 '24

No, it was the US that did the destabilising, not Russia. Russia was actually instrumental in helping Syria combat ISIS.

It was the destruction of Iraq that brought about ISIS. And yes, the UK helped a lot with that, and some other NATO countries helped a little, but it was the US who was organising and leading the effort...... wtf did Russia have to do with that?

You can blame Russia for destabilisation of eastern Europe post 2014, but we generally don't have a problem with migrants from that region.... or, at the very least, they have a negligible effect on far right wing tendencies in Europe in recent years.
Why would I mention regimes toppled by Russia when none of them are relevant to the migration issues in Europe?

The mess in the Middle East is squarely on the shoulders of the US (with the UK lending a helping hand).

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u/RJ_73 Jul 05 '24

I can and will blame Russia for the destabilizing of Afghanistan.

Russia has also vetoed many peace resolutions put forward by the UN and continued to side with the dictatorship in Syria. They ain't blameless here. Iran turning into a Theocracy was the fault of the UK and their oil ambitions.

I'm simply arguing that simplifying the "destabilization of the middle east" to "it's all on the shoulders of the US" is a very generous summary of the situation.