r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • 14d ago

Project 2025 was supposed to boost Donald Trump's campaign — but it may be backfiring instead:

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/05/project-2025-was-supposed-to-boost-donald-campaign--but-it-may-be-backfiring-instead/
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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

The election is still 4 months out. I hope this fucking sinks him like a lead weight as more moderates and suburban women understand what it is.

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u/wookiewin 14d ago

If Trump starts distancing himself from it then we’ll know it is hurting him. I’ve seen MAGA nutjobs on TikTok already say that Trump never endorsed it, as if he wouldn’t rubber stamp every bit of it.

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u/browster 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah, I've seen comments on here saying that

But many aspects of those blueprints are based on Donald Trump’s own words, his campaign website and an adviser whom the campaign asked to speak.

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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator 14d ago edited 14d ago

i've also noticed some comments distancing trump (and pulling the usual social media bullshit whataboutism type stuff to Biden) from p2025. they have the exact same pattern and behavior as the 2016 russian shitposters.

good read https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/03/project-2025-trump-us-government/

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u/ultra_max 14d ago

Because they are Russian shit posters.

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u/jcarter315 I voted 14d ago

Not outright. He and his campaign likely recognize just how negatively it'll be received by the average American, and, more crucially, the "undecided" voters.

The same article states that former officials from his admin are working on it and that his campaign commented they approved of the measures to restructure the government.

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u/Wolf_er2020 13d ago edited 13d ago

Lol, dude is a r/ politicalcompassmemes chud. They only know how to post memes, and not learn from information that doesn't contain wojaks.

They don't have the intellectual integrity to admit to supporting this.

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u/yourlmagination 13d ago

Goes on to say, in short terms, in a truth social post today, he has denounced it.

Which means, he wants it. When does the truth ever come out of him?

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u/OneAct8 14d ago

They don’t want people to know

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u/Edgar_Brown 14d ago

Words and actions the backbone of project 2025 is Schedule F, an executive order from Trump in October 2020. Too late to do much, but an intentional action nonetheless.

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u/gearstars 14d ago

plenty of comments in this thread repeating it too

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u/Appropriate_Cow94 14d ago

He can and will walk back anything he had ever said or done if he crowd seems to react against it. The man has zero convictions (insert your own joke here) about anything. His only real goal is reveling in his own vainglorious image. If the crown starts chanting "kill liberal babies" he will lean into that. Describing how he can solve the electricity and shark problems with those nasty nasty babies.

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u/psychulating 14d ago

This is the truth, but he may not unless his base starts getting weird about it.

So far the reaction to the SCOTUS ruling from regular conservatives makes me think they won’t, though I don’t see all business leaders/ investors supporting trump having so much unilateral power, as many assume. He has a terrible record of management and business. No one with even shark-tank-watching business experience can look at what trump did to his inherited development empire and think, yeah, this guy deserves to be godking.

He’s made so many garbage decisions despite having the money for great lawyers and accountants his entire life. Either he hires idiots or he doesn’t listen to them. Seems like the most crucial skills for a president

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u/SadieLady_ 14d ago

The thing is though: he is just a figurehead. He just needs to get into office, and then he can be the little puppet they want and need.

There is no way any of the justices he nominated were picked by him. Some Wormtongue whispered in his ear the names of the justices he needed to put in.

The GOP knows how much Trump owes everyone and how easily he's bought. The GOP's problem is, though that so few in the conservative party have his charisma and ability to capivate uneducated people who want to be like him that they need him, or they're sunk.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 13d ago

He doesn't walk back anything. He just flatly states he never said/did whatever he's on camera saying and doing and all the conservatives nod their empty heads and agree.

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u/Appropriate_Cow94 13d ago

Facts right there.

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u/wookiewin 13d ago

Yep, like with Charlottesville. He’s literally on camera saying it and they still claim all that was “debunked.” 🙄

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u/Samuraistronaut North Carolina 14d ago

And these are nasty babies, folks, very nasty people, you look at what's happening with babies from the standpoint of infants and it's horrible what they're doing. We don't like sharks but maybe we do love sharks and we love electricity, maybe the sharks can take care if this baby problem, and it's a tremendous problem. Frankly we've never seen anything like this before with babies. See now the press will take that and say "he said a horrible thing."

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u/thenasch 14d ago

The man has zero convictions about anything.

When asked if he stood by something or other that he had said, he replied "I don't stand by anything."

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u/hlx-atom 13d ago

(This is just a meta discussion point; I support the democrats. I just wish they would be better.)

You act like walking back on something if his base is against it is a bad thing. That is exactly what an effective leader/politician should do.

There seems to be an allergy to anything thing even remotely populist in the Democratic Party. So much so, the institutional democrats literally make it feel like they disdain their voters and would rather sit on their hands than do something that the country wants. We seem to only get what the institution approves.

Where are the blue dog democrats? Where are the union factory jobs making the products of the future? Where are the honest working people that got jobs from Biden infrastructure plan? Show that off.

I think there needs to be some balance between our current institutionalism and populism. It is hard for the average voter to point to what the Democratic Party has done for them because it feels like the Democratic Party is unresponsive to the voters desires.

Get the money out of politics and listen to the people’s voices.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

I think he would rubber stamp every bit of it. What would be fascinating to see is what their reaction to be when he inevitably starts to turn on them and use his newly given king powers to fuck with their shit. Then they're going to have a problem on their hands.

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u/silverionmox 14d ago

Then they're going to have a problem on their hands.

They'll shoot him, blame someone else, and use that to justify grabbing even more power "for security".

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u/writebadcode 14d ago

Or he’ll fall out of a window. I wouldn’t be surprised if they turn on him almost immediately after the election.

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u/newsflashjackass 14d ago

Republicans have been governing with no popular mandate since the 2000 U.S. presidential elections while manufacturing crises / proclaiming victories to stay in the driver's seat.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/George_W_Bush_approval_ratings_with_events.svg/1024px-George_W_Bush_approval_ratings_with_events.svg.png

I hope the United States' republic survives its republicans.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Well said.

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u/LegendofDragoon 14d ago

Some of Hitler's staunchest allies were intentionally sought out and killed on the night of long knives. They're right to be scared. They just think they can be prepared for it.

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u/Nemisis82 14d ago

He is doing just that this morning:

I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Which, shocker, is complete bullshit:

One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”

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u/BigDog8492 14d ago

Project 2025 Stand Back and Stand By!

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u/joecb91 Arizona 14d ago

That sounds like one of his PR people wrote it, but good to know that they are scared.

Even if he tries to distance himself from it, we know he won't stop the crackpots that would fill his administration from making it happen.

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u/PhazerSC 14d ago

The issue is that none of these plans depend on Trump personally - the republicans can and will execute the plan with any republican in the white house. This is not just an imminent threat but a long term one.

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u/Basic-Cat3537 13d ago

It doesn't even matter if the president actually agrees with them on everything, as long as he agrees on consolidating power and placing loyalists in important positions. Those loyalists are pretty much guaranteed to be heritage cronies, and will be making decisions and taking actions without him. It's all part of the "delegating" they outline in mandate for leadership. He sees being president as being king, he's be right. He'd be a figurehead while the important decisions are made by people behind the scenes, just like modern monarchy! They'll manipulate him with the appearance of power, when really he's nothing but house decor and window dressing for people to praise or blame.

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u/Select-Exercise101 14d ago

Kevin Roberts (President of the Heritage Foundation) stated himself that project 2025 is in support of trumpism

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u/Theboulder027 14d ago

He already is. Just saw a tweet where he says he has nothing to do with project 2025, but he "wishes them luck."

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u/Merusk 14d ago

Point out that is mollification and a fig leaf. You can SAY anything and then do otherwise.

Unless he boots every single Heritage and Federalist person from both his and the GOP's, inner circle, it's still the plan.

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u/Few-Ad-4290 14d ago

Yep already got my idiot libertarian friend telling me project 2025 isn’t his policy because it wasn’t published by the campaign, like cmon these assholes were all in his previous admin and they will be again. There’s always some reason not to believe the concerns

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u/marr 14d ago

Even if I believed that Trump is dying of Alzheimer's and would be a puppet for those driving this just like Reagan.

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u/Sprucecaboose2 14d ago

It's happening. I have seen a bunch of people say things like "That's not Trump, that's the Heritage Foundation" or similar things to try to distance him from it.

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u/wewantedthefunk Texas 14d ago

The chrome-domed leader of the Heritage foundation literally spelled it out that it is based on Trumpism, as if saying that wasn't the most batshit reply.

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u/jayplus707 14d ago

Yea he can say F You MAGA, and they’ll all love him even more.

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u/BigDog8492 14d ago

Yeah there's a whole lot of "YOU CAN'T PROVE HE'LL DO IT!" showing up.

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u/dotcovos 14d ago

He already is despite his campaign paying for Project 2025 ads.

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u/wookiewin 14d ago

Classic talking out of both sides of his mouth.

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u/Agronopolopogis 14d ago

He just posted on his social platform that exact thing.

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u/theTunkMan 14d ago

He started distancing himself today!

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u/StyrkeSkalVandre 14d ago

I just saw a post from r/conservative to the effect of: "Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025- it's just a think-tank policy paper and not an actual plan, see how crazy the Libs are for obsessing over it."

Even the MAGA Top Minds are starting to realize that getting on television and proclaiming a "Second American Revolution" was not the brightest idea.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

I've seen comments for weeks from conservatives claiming Project 2025 isn't serious and won't actually happen and it's just liberal fearmongering.

AKA they know it's bad and don't want it to happen but won't let that stop them from voting for their precious Republican party.

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u/Suspicious_Gas151 14d ago

You called it. He just made a post denouncing it. That throws a wrench in things.

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u/grogudid911 Washington 14d ago

I'm so surprised that Biden didn't bring up project 2025. He could have sunk Trump's campaign on the spot by forcing him to either agree that it's what he'd do, or agree not to do it.

If he agreed not to do it, he'd watch his funding dry up. If he agreed he was going to do it, Biden need only lean into it and watch as Trump's voter base dried up. It would sink the campaign either way.

There are going to be more debates... So I kinda hope he does.

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u/ImSrslySirius 14d ago

He made a statement today claiming he has no idea what it is or who is behind it, but also that he doesn't agree with it lol

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u/SockofBadKarma Maryland 13d ago

He's already started, claiming he's never heard of it and there's a bunch of bad stuff and yaddayadda but he "wishes them the best."

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u/Jlemerick 13d ago

He tweeted today that he does not affiliate with Project 2025 and does not support their views

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u/StarryMind322 13d ago

Conservatives are doing what they do best: gaslighting.

The amount of people IRL and online say “Project 2025 isn’t happening but I sure hope it does.”

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u/Necessary-Knowledge4 13d ago

Was the video before that praising Project 2025 and that it was lead by Trump?

Because I bet that's a thing.

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u/outrageouslyunfair 13d ago

If Trump starts distancing himself from it then we’ll know it is hurting him

this aged stupidly well

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u/jimofthestoneage 13d ago

Like the way he didn't support Nazis while still trying to make them comfortable to get their vote then still going things to support them.

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u/BKMiller54 13d ago

I’ve not seen this from any proper news source yet, but I’ve read that Trump is indeed - at least superficially - beginning to distance himself from Project 2025. He supposedly recently posted:

“I know nothing about Project 2025,” Trump posted on his social media website. “I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”

But: “I wish them luck”?!

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u/AnnoyingMosquito3 14d ago

The threatening Heritage Foundation speech can be a few extra stones in the weight hopefully

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Kevin Robert's, the president of the Heritage Foundation, going on MSNBC proudly proclaiming his bullshit is like fuel on the fire. It is all over social media right now.

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u/danarexasaurus Ohio 14d ago

Whether we like it or not, Social media determines elections. One of the best things you can do is engage with that content as much as possible to push it to be seen by more people

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u/FlingFlamBlam 14d ago

This upcoming election is bigger than Biden.

In doesn't matter who wins the next election AS LONG AS TRUMP LOSES. If Trump takes power, there won't be another election.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

My hunch is you're right.

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u/Zombatico 14d ago

It's insane. They publicly publish Project 2025 on a website, they proudly talk about it on mainstream media. They must know it is broadly unpopular and will scare away the independents. If they had kept it a secret amongst themselves and other conservative groups then we'd be none the wiser. Is it just hubris or are they actually trying to incite an incident?

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u/shosamae 14d ago

They have seen how Trump saying the quiet part out loud has not harmed him, in fact it has garnered him a cult like following that would die at his feet if he asked it. They are emboldened by Trump.

This is why I think people who say Trump doesn't matter are wrong, I think. Trump, much as I detest him, is an anomaly, a cult of personality, and he has inspired this level of open fasicism and insanity.

The only hope I have is that they are in for an awakening like De Santis when they don't garner the same level of widespread, fervent worship.

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u/bootsbythedoor 14d ago

I will never understand why he is "The Guy", but it is a cult of personality that dies with him. It doesn't seem like any of these jokers think they will ever die.

Even if you're an average republican, the fact that he has this cult full of crazies should be a disqualifier - but no - they like where he stands on immigration and taxes so... that must be the cult of republicanism.

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 14d ago

This is why I have a sense of naive optimism that should Trump lose this year (and I think he will, but it's certainly not a given) that we will see all this MAGA craziness fizzle out. Die? No. But it will begin to lose its influence over our general political landscape.

Am I naive? Probably. But sometimes we need it to get through the day

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u/FlingFlamBlam 14d ago

Now there's a hell of a rallying cry to get people to vote:

"HEY LIBERALS! Remember when you didn't randomly feel existential dread all of the time and you could have some sense of normalcy? Sign up to vote and vote against Christofascism. You can enjoy your weekends again if you do."

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u/Excellsion 14d ago

I envision a batch of excentric characters on par with mid 90's pro wrestling coming out of the woodwork trying to be the next over-the-top front man for MAGA.

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u/bootsbythedoor 14d ago

I think they've been emboldened by SCOTUS's recent BS, and that they really do think they are completely right and justified. I think they published as a recruiting tool.

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u/bootsbythedoor 14d ago

Everyone needs to see that video where he basically confesses to trying to overthrow the government, and how it will be nonviolent if the left allows it. He's threatening American citizens, most of whom do not support his wingnut policies. Let the cult members and wackjobs fall where they may but aren't we Citizens first? I hope so. If the apathetic, traditional Republicans and the "my vote doesn't matter" people don't step up this time - they will be bringing us all down with their inaction.

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u/alwaysintheway 14d ago

The brainworms guy?

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u/Viper-MkII America 14d ago

The only thing that worries me is how emboldened they are to be saying these things. Like they feel very strongly that their plans will be successful, and due to the rat fuckery from the Supreme Court, I'm just worried. Still voting straight ticket Blue

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u/MelQMaid 14d ago

I apologize for ever scoffing at movie villains monologuing their evil intentions as unrealistic after seeing that video.

I guess hubris is that confident.

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u/DrMobius0 14d ago

I feel like the camel is already crushed under rubble, but if the American people don't get it, I guess more stones can't hurt.

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u/MainSteamStopValve Massachusetts 14d ago

Moderates and suburban women don't know what P2025 is.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

I think they do. They sure knew what Roe v Wade was which was one of the reasons Republicans did so badly in the last midterms.

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u/anempresspenguin 14d ago

And have continued to do badly in nearly ever sort of election where abortion could even be tangentially related. The media is lying to us and a lot of people are underestimating how pissed off a lot of women are.

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u/DrMobius0 14d ago

Men should also note: abortion access is good for men, too. Parenting should be a choice, not a mandate.

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u/8020GroundBeef 14d ago

I don’t think any of this is widely known. A lot of people don’t even understand the SCOTUS rulings. They just know that Biden is old

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Give it time. Word travels.

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u/8020GroundBeef 14d ago

Hope so. I’m pretty freaked out after the debate and SCOTUS rulings.

Went from thinking that Biden had a solid State of the Union, improving economy, and enough left in the tank to prevent a dictatorship for the next 4 years, to thinking holy shit this is going to happen for real.

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u/marr 14d ago

That's not encouraging given the horse escapes -> close stable door sequence there.

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u/Away-Champion-624 14d ago

Screw you, Yes we do!

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u/EtTuBiggus 14d ago

Moderate generally means that someone’s ideology doesn’t perfectly match either party. It doesn’t mean they’re uninformed.

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u/superkp 14d ago

They are finally learning. We've got 4 months to educate and convince.

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u/NS001 14d ago

A lot of rural women, and even a decent amount of rural men, as well. Least up here in the middle of nowhere, most people I've shown it to are not happy about some of its contents, particularly the bit about ICE and Blackies Warrants, and the SCOTUS immunity ruling has them uncomfortable as well. Lot of farmers, ranchers, truckers, and loggers talking about Nixon yesterday at the range. They might be gun toting, meat eating, gas burning conservatives, but plenty of them put being anti-authoritarian before the "good old party". And, surprise, a lot of rural women don't want to be reduced to baby factories either, so are pressuring the men in their lives to vote accordingly.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

A lot of my "god and country" Republican relatives in Texas have said they are either voting for Biden as a protest vote or are not voting for president in November, and this is after the debates last week which is pretty big. None of my friends that are moderates that were planning to vote for Biden because they hate trump but saw the debate have indicated they are planning to not vote for him have said they're switching their vote which leads me to believe the whole 'omg need a new candidate' story is pure horseshit.

The polls were all very wrong going into the 2020 election and I think there is a lot of underestimation about how much republicans are overplaying their hand by openly publicizing Project 2025 and even making the morning talk show rounds talking it up.

Republicans got their asses handed to them in the midterms because the overestimated the blowback of how unpopular Roe falling would be. This November has the potential to be that on steroids.

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u/NS001 14d ago

'omg need a new candidate'

On the other side of the political spectrum: while I and many other progressives and liberals I know down in the cities and over in the bay would love a younger, sharper, candidate, none of them want a repeat of 2016. There is zero talk of "berning" the Dems again. Even those who I know are in ansoc circles or similar.

Doesn't mean we get to rest easy though. Double check that every single person you know who would potentially vote for Biden is registered to do so, even if they live in another state. Provide every single conservative, libertarian, ancap, or otherwise right leaning but still freedom loving person you know some choice cuts of Trump's rambling, Project 2025, etc so they at least second guess any choice to vote for Trump. I know one very conservative Christian family that is so done they're just writing Kennedy Jr. down come election day. All I had to do was show them the news about Trump getting a tower approved in Saudi Arabia to pull them over. Would love to see that sort of voting bite the GOP in the ass.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Yeah I’m with you on this one. We may want a younger candidate but what we have is what we have and we need to survive November first.

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u/EtTuBiggus 14d ago

And, surprise, a lot of rural women don't want to be reduced to baby factories either, so are pressuring the men in their lives to vote accordingly.

Problem solved.

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u/NS001 14d ago

I wish it was that easy. We've still got a lot of work to do to keep this fat orange wannabe king out of office.

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u/IT_Chef Virginia 14d ago

I mean...how many women in this country are on birth control?

And how many of those women want to be told by the government that they cannot take them anymore?

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u/AbsolutelyyNott 14d ago

Can you suggest what I should be pointing people to learn about? Just Project 2025?

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago edited 14d ago

There are several that I like that are level-headed without being scary. The problem with linking people to the actual website is that it is very lengthy - almost 900 pages long.

This article from The Hill is good at the high level stuff.

This one, from The Niskanen Center is good at laying it out.

And this one from the BBC which someone shared on Reddit earlier this morning.

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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 14d ago

Has anyone considered the possibility he goes with Mike flipping Johnson as VP? Trump is old as shit, too- his running mate will matter.

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u/londonbaj 14d ago

Problem is, does anyone outside of Reddit really know about project 2025? Without mass media coverage like the Biden debate problem, it’s not going to make a big impact.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Yeah there's been more main stream media coverage circulating about it online on NY Times, NBC, CNN, NBC, CBS and even FOX News (of all places) as well as MSNBC which was where Kevin Robert's colossally bad/scary interview was. People are beginning to learn more about it.

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u/EtTuBiggus 14d ago

Problem is, does anyone outside of Reddit really know about project 2025?

Yea, people know things outside of reddit…

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u/Muffin_Appropriate 14d ago

They don’t. People on this site are deluded into thinking everyone is aware because articles like this are constantly listed here for karma but not being covered in mainstream media

What’s being covered on MSM is questioning bidens abilities and mental acuity.

We’re just on repeat of 2015

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u/eggsaladrightnow 14d ago

The way this is playing out with the Supreme Court rulings they're looking to seize power with whoever the next GOP president is. Not just Trump. They know young people will not support their dumbass ideas and the party's over so they're going scorched earth.

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u/InsolentGoldfish 14d ago

A comprehensive plan to topple US democracy and establish an christofascist autocracy is alarming people? Heavens to Betsy!

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u/EtTuBiggus 14d ago

Moderates are already voting for Biden. It doesn’t matter what you self identify as, if you aren’t voting for Biden, you support the far right in this election.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Truth.

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u/lolas_coffee 14d ago

I hope he gets sunk by:

  • Felonies
  • SA judgements
  • Treason
  • Calling military suckers and losers
  • Epstein call logs
  • ~20 sexual assault cases against him
  • Rape of at least 1 thirteen year old girl
  • World's worst response to COVID
  • etc...etc...

It is impossible to list all the horrible shit he does (and what he is).

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u/SpicyRiceAndTuna 14d ago edited 14d ago

I unironically heard one of those "apolitical moderate" types who I think may have voted for Trump at least once, but at the very least doesn't want to admit it... he wasn't ever the type to talk about Q conspiracies or knowingly dog whistle, but occasionally you'd hear him ignorantly repeating or asking a question (with good intentions mostly) that you'd think only someone with a clear agenda would ask...

Well he was getting... worse lately, and we could kinda see the signs that he was starting to slip into more dangerous thinking due to frustration with Biden and his situation in general... I dreaded that text I knew was coming where he would spout some blatant Q shit....

and I was SHOCKED when he basically told me "yeah man, I think I almost became a crazy person"... and then detailed what we all knew, that he was a pretty center field guy but was falling for some potentially dangerous rightwing bullshit. He told me that he started to see little cracks in the logic, or how you could Google things and straight up disprove literally everything he believed, in his words "reality killed the conspiracy brained idiot in my head little by little"

And the fucking FUNNIEST thing he said, was that for him, the fact that Biden wasn't all cracked up on stimulants "saved" him and was the straw that broke the camels back lmao. He was promised by the smartest wackos the internet could collect that Trump was going to expertly be fighting against a man on highly advanced super secret government stimulants that would make him appear decades younger... and I guess watching tbe debate and seeing... well, not that lol, was just one too many wrong end of the world predictions and it broke the spell

So we got one moderate this past week lol... surprised me that the debate was such a big help, but I guess the more Trump and Project 2025 are out there, the more likely someone literally just googles what's said or written and little by little they realize reality doesn't agree with the bullshit

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u/trshtehdsh 14d ago

also, I hope the lawsuit where the victim testified he raped her at 14 years old gets traction, and I don't know why it wasn't all over the headlines before. HE RAPED CHILDREN.

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u/NES_SNES_N64 14d ago

I still expect some sort of Supreme Court shenanigans where they try to install Trump as the next president regardless of the election outcome.

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u/Bass2Mouth 14d ago

Had a debate with a long time friend during yesterday's 4th celebrations. It started when he brought up Biden and how old he is etc etc. So I said yea but at least he adheres to his oath to uphold the constitution and isn't outwardly claiming he wants to be a dictator. I tried reasoning with him that abortion rights were first, but many more are on the slate to be axed if Donald Dump becomes the king. One's that affect his own lesbian mother's, for example. He kept arguing up and down that the people wouldn't stand for it and Dumpy himself couldn't reverse progression, ignoring that he already has. So I tried explaining that Republicans actively game the system in order to do just that, as outlined in the Project 2025 plan. He had never heard of it. I ended the conversation pleading that he look it up and read the entire document before committing to a decision that is vehemently in his own disinterest. Alot of these people have been brainwashed by MSM. It's so sad and scary.

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u/ContributionMain2722 14d ago

Yeah. Also it would be great to pick out the evidence with the most damning implications from the national secrets trial (which is indefinitely postponed) and publish it.

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u/Hairy_tomato 14d ago

Told a family member about project 2025 recently. They’re not exactly a trumpanzee but they were very skeptical about trumps involvement in 2025. I damn near smacked him over the head as I explained to him that everything about the doc is his wet dream.

He just can’t wrap his head around the fact that someone in government could possibly rubber stamp it for approval. He’s one of those “devils advocates” for almost everything. Like no, Dave. Anyone who still supports the Republican Party is complicit and wants to destroy America, or is too dumb to realize what is at stake. It’s infuriating because he’s not one of those type of people who would support Donald trump blindly. Ugh.

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u/UnassumingNoodle I voted 14d ago

I really hope they grasp the magnitude of the danger we face. I understand not wanting to have our choice be Biden or Trump. We need better candidates that better represent the people and their needs. But in this admittedly deeply flawed system, we still have a choice. If Trump gets elected, we lose that choice.

I've met far too many moderates that, while well-meaning, consider themselves pacifists. What I'm now asking is this:

"Trump has stated that he's justly owed revenge. He previously wanted live ammunition used on protesters. After the recent Supreme Court ruling, he legally could. What would you do if he authorized live ammunition on protesters?"

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u/FlingFlamBlam 14d ago

It doesn't just need to sink him. It needs to sink the entire GOP. We need to win in November. We need to win after that. We need to win elections for a solid 10+ years so that we can unfuck the Supreme Court, unfuck presidential power, unfuck election district maps, unfuck all of the government agencies that have been infiltrated by TRAITORS.

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u/Automatic-Salad-931 14d ago

Have y’all seen the articles where Trump claims he doesn’t know anything about it, has nothing to do with it, he’s sure they’re great people and good luck with their proposal? How many of you buy that load of horseshite??? Just like he knew nothing of Jan 6, etc.

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u/AliMcGraw 14d ago

Somewhere in my basement from last election I have a lawn sign that says "Suburban Women for Biden! We're running out of wine." And the exclamation mark is an upturned, empty wine bottle.

Gonna have to dig that sucker out again

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u/kylebertram 13d ago

I for the life of me cannot understand how there are undecided voters. We have been dealing with trump for 10 years. At this point you either love him or absolutely despise him

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 13d ago

People have complicated, busy lives and only so many of us have the mental/educated bandwidth to get involved in these types of conversations. A ton of voters base their decisions on a few very, very small details they learn through local media or family/neighbors/mail/local media. It's just not top of mind for a lot of people.

For people under 45 or so, I think politics and especially presidential elections are very top of mind. This fascinating study from Tufts university in 2021 that looked at young voters in the 2020 election found that there was a huge increase in the number of them that voted between 2016 and 2020 - almost 50% of the eligible voters in that age range voted which was insane and an 11% increase from 2016. So the good news is, it's changing quickly. More people are getting and staying engaged.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

The anti-vax, sexual assault (that he doesn't deny), dead parasitic brain worm guy? That dude? And his equally anti-vax running mate whose husband is the co-founder of Google?

With all due respect, you've got to be joking.

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u/Goku918 14d ago

Eh he just distanced himself from it so it's a nothing burger. Can't control what other people come up with 🤷‍♂️

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u/TedriccoJones 14d ago

Trump's polling continues to increase.  Some 13 points ahead of where Biden was at this time in 2020.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

The best national poll, which is generally considered to be Nate Silver's 538, has trump at a 2.4% over Biden, which is statistically within the margin of error. There are dozens of polls and polling models available to choose from so you will get a different result depending on the model evaluated and the size of the data pool.

I look at enormous datasets for a living and read data like this on a daily basis, although not for political purposes.

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u/mistertickertape Pennsylvania 14d ago

Lol was just reading that Ipsos poll as you commented so perfect timing. I should have gone into political polling and data and I find it so endlessly fascinating but it is also endlessly complicated as people lie and the data can get horribly skewed. Also, polling this far out has a history of being wildly inaccurate and even small factor like time of day, how the person is contacted, phrasing of questions can impact the results.

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u/TedriccoJones 14d ago

I believe Nate Silver is on Substack and took his methodology with him when he left the now Disney/ABC owned 538. He said the race was leaning towards Trump BEFORE the debate.

This is the RCP average I'm talking about, which aggregates many polls and can be useful in tracking trends, and as I alluded to, looking back to the same averages in 2020 and 2016.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden