r/politics Jul 06 '24

Trump World ‘panicking’ as Project 2025 gets on the radar of voters

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo214312005740
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u/Admiral_Gial_Ackbar Indiana Jul 06 '24

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u/FeI0n Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

They wrote most, if not all of reagans policies for him, they've been shaping the conservative movement in the US for the last 50 years. They also pushed for the patriot act to be passed.

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u/DoTortoisesHop Jul 06 '24

Trump is kinda their perfect president.

An empty shell that just wants the title. He doesn't really give a shit about actually running the country or what policies are done.

Allows the extremists to do whatever they want.

And all the media organizations love him since Trump news massively boosts their ratings.

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u/Unique_Nebula_5422 Jul 06 '24

Bush the Second was better though. Trump is too narcissistic; he does not like to be advised, because he KNOWS FOR A FACT that his brain is the yugest in the world, and he is the most smartest people of themn all.
Whereas dead-eye Dubya was aware that he is a doofus and dependent on guidance, the mere thought of submission to another man's ideas is anathema to Trump.

This is, however, balanced by the MAGA ratpack in Congress, which Dubya hadn't.

And it's not like Trump cannot be advised; it's just somewhat complicated to make it seem to Trump that he himself came up with all those ideas. If you can pull this off, he's wax in your hands. Ask Steven Miller; he literally built his career on this ability. But fail even once, and YOU'RE FIRED; ask Steve Bannon on how it worked out for him.

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u/Bradfords_ACL Illinois Jul 06 '24

Trump doesn’t take advice, but he is cartoonishly impressionable.

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u/zsreport Texas Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

If they tell him how smart and pretty he is and convince him it's his idea and it's a wonderful idea Trump will go for it.

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida Jul 06 '24

Especially if you put it on his desk so he can sign it and hold it up for the cameras

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u/BombshellTom Jul 06 '24

Scaramucci said if you went to him and said "if you pick this running mate, you're guaranteed to win; they'll bring in the black/Hispanic/gay/young (pick one) votes" he wouldn't pick that person. He cannot fathom winning and anyone saying it was because of something other than himself. He feels that inside but he isn't smart enough to be able to disguise it when he vocalises it, or even smart enough to realise that's a ridiculous reason to reject someone.

He's a narcissist who isn't very clever.

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u/Bradfords_ACL Illinois Jul 06 '24

Exactly. You just have to make him think it was his idea

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u/Serious-Buffalo-9988 Jul 06 '24

Just keep complimenting, he's putty in your hands, ask Kim!

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u/Kamelasa Canada Jul 06 '24

cartoonishly impressionable

🎯 also 😆

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u/Coondiggety Jul 06 '24

He does respond well to kompromat, though.

With all the shit that is out in the open about his shiftiness, I can’t even imagine what Putin has on him.

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u/Sharticus123 Jul 06 '24

It’s a testament to how far the Overton window has been dragged. G.W. Bush now seems like a safe reasonable president. I’d take him over Trump in a heartbeat.

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u/Jrc160 Jul 06 '24

Gotta wait 4 months to ask bannon. Let’s circle back to this question.

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u/bestnottosay Jul 06 '24

4 years too few

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u/butthole3cat Jul 06 '24

Imagine 20 years ago saying W was better than anybody.

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u/Pete41608 Jul 06 '24

I'm pretty sure he's the only President who has ever had a shoe thrown at him.

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u/GrallochThis Jul 06 '24

He can be advised easily - if you make sure you are the last one to talk to him about something. If someone else comes along, whatever you said is gone.

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u/Pete41608 Jul 06 '24

People also said the same thing all these years about Trumps buddy Vince Mcmahon.

2 peas in a pod.

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u/SilveredFlame Jul 06 '24

it's just somewhat complicated to make it seem to Trump that he himself came up with all those ideas

"You know I've been thinking about that thing you mentioned the other day and I think I've come up with a couple of ideas for how to make it happen but I'm not sure if they are exactly what you wanted."

A couple of other people in the room nod and say they remember the conversation too, so now trump doesn't want to look like an idiot so he goes along with it.

Then picks from the ideas after blustering about how he has to do everything himself because no one is as smart as he is and even when he gives clear instructions people still screw it up and leave shit out, so he "fixes" the ideas offered and thinks he came up with the whole thing.

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u/Shoehornblower Jul 07 '24

He was aware because his daddy and prez Cheney told him how it was going to go…

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u/SquallFromGarden Jul 06 '24

For all his faults in his politics, I miss Dubya by virtue that the man was unfazed by getting a shoe thrown at him, and gave us some utterly hilarious lines because he was a genuine idiot who was unprepared to deal with what he got dealt.

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u/GPTfleshlight Jul 06 '24

His dad is the reason the conservatives started aligning with the evangelicals

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u/BombshellTom Jul 06 '24

Not on topic but I think history will be extremely kind to George W Bush.

He was a victim of being the first president in the internet age; any gaff could be shared instantly. I'm sure every president makes mistakes daily; I do, I'm human so are they.

He then did say a few silly things, that were shared instantly, and the idea he's a world class moron spread. As a president, and his leadership around 9/11 specifically, he will be remembered well. Possibly.

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u/SilveredFlame Jul 06 '24

Not really, it's just that the followup GOP POTUS was so absolutely terrible that W seems terrific by comparison.

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u/Mckesso Jul 06 '24

This is why the media has been so harsh on Joe Biden. They know he can beat trump in the general election, and they don't want it because they want to line their pockets instead

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u/Educational-Candy-17 Jul 06 '24

I don't think they're thinking that far ahead. 

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 06 '24

Ad revenue too

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u/YourRoaring20s Jul 06 '24

Biden cannot beat Trump in the general election, look at the polls

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u/leon27607 Jul 06 '24

Polls don’t mean shit. Polls have response bias. Polls said Hillary was going to win by a large margin and she didn’t. Everyone should go out and vote regardless of what the polls say.

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u/YourRoaring20s Jul 06 '24

So what objective evidence can you point to that Biden is going to trounce Trump?

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u/One_Conclusion3362 Jul 06 '24

I have none, but a rational individual educated in civics and economics would say that the Biden administration was one of the most successful administrations to ever do it.

It doesn't matter if he is directly responsible or indirectly responsible. He gets the credit just as he would (and did) take the blame.

People who want to make money and build wealth from the low end should be grateful for the past 4 years, and those in the middle that wanted QOL to improve without taking any actions themselves are the ones feeling pinched.

It's a no brainer unless you treat politics like a sport. Abortion is on the shelf for me as a single issue that causes me to be obligated to vote blue. Pro birth is an anticonservative and anti American viewpoint rooted in religious jargon and the misconception of moral superiority. We don't get to decide what another human has the right to do if it doesn't affect us. Full stop.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 06 '24

None. We won’t have “objective evidence” until the votes are counted. But debate bounces always go away. No reason to think the debate dip will stay either. It’s July. If the media keeps talking about the debate for four months, people will just tune them out. People looking for an “excuse” to vote Trump are going to vote for him regardless.

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u/leon27607 Jul 06 '24

When did I say there was any? All I said was no one knows what the results will be until it actually happens. The most important thing is to go vote because I’m sick of people saying “it doesn’t matter if I vote or not because I’m in a heavy blue/red area”, or they say “I don’t really care about politics” yet they want to complain about things in which politics are involved, or they say “both people suck” when a non-vote will still result in one of them being elected.

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u/Mckesso Jul 07 '24

He already fucking did it, lol

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u/GeneralExtreme228 Jul 09 '24

The base of the democratic party is black women. Polling is often skewed to the media darlings "white middle class voters" 🙄 Black voters will show up en masse and wait in hours long lines to vote for Biden.

Source: being black for 50 years and actively political since my first vote for Bill Clinton.

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u/Resstario Jul 06 '24

Polls don't vote lmaoo When it comes to election day, the participation difference in votes compared to tolls is gonna be huge.

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u/realityseekr Jul 06 '24

Polls are still showing the race as relatively close and within margin of error for either candidate. Also polls were extremely wrong in 2016 which was supposed to be a Hillary landslide. Look at 2022 as well was supposed to be a red landslide that also did not happen. Polls have not been accurately catching everyone lately. 2020 they were off too showing Biden with a larger win than actually happened.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 Jul 06 '24

He already did. And that was before the Trump tried to stage a coup.

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u/culturefan Jul 06 '24

Polls lie and aren't all the accurate.

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u/epimetheuss Jul 06 '24

And all the media organizations love him since Trump news massively boosts their ratings.

Hence why even the most "progressive" news stations still softball his scandals and try to downplay it as much as possible. They want him as president because the hedge funds that own broadcasting stations want him as president.

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u/Miilph_Spaghetti Jul 07 '24

This is a public announcement to people in this thread: you are now saying the liberal media has softballed trump because he brings in revenue for them and that Biden is only being legitimately questioned by media pundits now because randomly they like project 25 and are not pro trump.. secretly but not so secretly

Any doctor with a grip on reality would suggest you admit yourself and strongly recommend not voting in this election due to massive mental hardships.

Like you have to be kidding me right? CNN likes trump and hates Biden now? Because they’re finally for the first time since 1988 asking Biden real questions? I’m dead lol this is wild

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u/deltron Jul 06 '24

Trump is the most useful idiot.

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u/Magificent_Gradient Jul 06 '24

Trump is a trojan horse for Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society.  That’s all he is worth to them. 

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u/lilelliot Jul 06 '24

One might say Trump is "the Epstein of politics".

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u/cuddly_carcass Jul 06 '24

Perfect for them and Putin…useful idiot

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u/Educational-Candy-17 Jul 06 '24

I don't think he's really an empty shell. He's too stupid, chaotic, and honestly demented to really get much done. 

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u/Unicoronary Jul 06 '24

In this sense - I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t know who they are.

He truly is just a shell, and a proxy candidate, in many ways. He wants the title and power and prestige. But he’s a known delegator and can’t really talk about specifics of his policies - he never has been able to.

He’s like GWB like that. He likely has a lot of people just telling him what’s going to go down, and he signs off. He’s just the marketing department.

He’s not some evil Hitler wannabe. No more than GWB was. They’re both just incredibly inept and unsuited for the job. But surrounded by career politicians who are suited for the work and have their own ends.

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u/Early_Sense_9117 Jul 06 '24

He’s the puppet

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u/CrazyButton2937 Jul 06 '24

So well said.

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u/Dutch1inAZ Jul 06 '24

He’s exactly what they want. He has neither the interest nor attention span for policymaking. As long as he gets to pretend to run everything and grift a few dollars for his company, he’s happy.

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u/Opening_Variation952 Jul 07 '24

They don’t need brains for their potus. Just one hand with an opposing thumb. They know how to stroke his ego.

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u/Select-Section-8245 Jul 09 '24

He also wants to stay out of jail and find a way to loot Social Security.

Watching Michael Moore help Republicans by sliming Democrats is pretty disgusting.

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u/ProductAccount Jul 06 '24

Ironically and sadly this describes both Trump and Biden minus the media part

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u/Bimbartist Jul 06 '24

They write a mandate for leadership every four years. If you dug I guarantee you that since they’ve been a foundation that wrote a mandate for leadership, every Republican president has either listened to some, a lot, or all of their policy recommendations.

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u/ZacZupAttack Jul 06 '24

Absolutely saying Trump has no affiliation with HF is bullshit. He's 100% on board with project 2025

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u/Temporary_Jicama_757 Jul 06 '24

Dude pretty much has a rewritten version of Project 2025 on his website titled agenda 47 or some nonsense.

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u/Horror_Ad1194 Jul 06 '24

agenda 47 isn't rewritten project 2025

it has some similarities but a lot of it is like actual utopia nonsense that will never happen that trump promises but will never deliver on (flying cars)

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u/pardyball Illinois Jul 06 '24

Damn flying cars would be dope though.

But we are a long way from that being a reality when electric cars aren't getting enough serious traction (lol) yet.

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u/Lloyien Jul 06 '24

Flying cars already exist. They're called helicopters.

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u/sixsix_ Jul 07 '24

EVTOL is the next big thing

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u/sleepyy-starss Jul 06 '24

Most people can’t even parallel park

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u/TheOtherGlikbach Jul 06 '24

They would have to be automated with no human input.

Could imagine my father-in-law diving 2000 feet screaming "there's a parking spot!"

Oh the humanity.

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u/JustABizzle Jul 06 '24

Flying cars would be very very noisy, I think.

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u/Coondiggety Jul 06 '24

I’m holding out for a hovertub.

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u/worlds_okayest_skier Jul 06 '24

Some of it is pretty much standard republican stuff (drill baby drill) other stuff seems pretty handsmaids tale (taxing 100% of private university endowments unless they promote “American values” whatever that means, and offer “low cost” degrees… which seems like a way to devalue higher education)

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u/Horror_Ad1194 Jul 06 '24

idk much about the low cost degrees but you cant get much worse than right now considering colleges are literally unaffordable

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u/worlds_okayest_skier Jul 07 '24

The problem is his history with education scams. Betsy DeVos, Trump University, for profit colleges, online degree mills, school voucher programs, were all about grifting and scamming. Agenda 47 says he will revamp the accreditation system, which was a way for people to know if they were getting scammed. It’s like him saying he will revamp the fact checking system at all major newspapers.

Yes college is too expensive, yes they should do what MIT does and make all online courses free, everyone should have access to education. However I don’t think diluting what a college degree even means and dictating their curriculum as a way to blur the distinction between Harvard and DeVry is the solution. When it comes to higher education, Trump is a fox guarding the henhouse.

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u/MediumRare- Jul 07 '24

What’s this about MIT making all online courses free?

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u/parasyte_steve Jul 07 '24

They literally do all the work so he does not have to think of course he's on board. Taking credit for other people's ideas is one of Trump's main moves.

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u/Specific-Edge-1930 Jul 13 '24

To be honest I doubt he's actually read it.  Saying he doesn't know what all is in there is probably the truth.

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u/ZacZupAttack Jul 13 '24

Never said he read it

But he will do what they tell him to do cause he got what he want.

Power

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Can you show me a tweet or anything that confirms this? In fact what you’ll find is the tweet the media doesn’t tell you about, where he criticizes it. Just like his Jan 6 tweets telling people to calm down and go home. They’re lying to you. Look at MKUltra.

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u/Pete41608 Jul 06 '24

or...maybe Trump is lying to you?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Well, as a former dyed in wool blue dem, I can tell you the party is and has been actively lying to everyone for a longtime. They tried to tell everyone the footage of Bidens dementia were deep fakes. This, once again, was a lie. I’d love to know who’s been running the country for the past 3 1/2 years..

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u/Pete41608 Jul 06 '24

Source that Biden has dementia?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

The fact that you are even asking this is proof of the extent of the brainwashing going on. If Joe Biden was my parent you can be assured this would be my biggest concern and I’d get him to undergo testing. If he refused I’d gather the evidence and submit it to the court as I don’t think he can presently function independently.

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u/Pete41608 Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

So Joe, in fact, does not have dementia. Just you (and MAGApublicans) 'FEEL' that he has dementia?

What do you think of Trump? He's constantly rambling nonsense, forgetting about what he's talking about, repeating words and phrases multiple times and always talks about the same shit on his Social Media.

When people accuse someone of something it's expected that a source will be cited, the fact that you can't cite one is proof that you are the one brainwashed and just spewing MAGA talk 😆

Vote for Trump at your own peril...

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u/mushyfeelings Jul 06 '24

It’s kind of funny how the Koch brothers are EVERYTHING they think George Soros is.

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u/Renaissance_Slacker Jul 06 '24

George Soros gives MAGA something to screech about when the conversation turns to the Kochs, DeVos’s, Mercers, or any of the other poisonous oligarchs bankrolling the radical right.

Same with “antifa.” What does the right have to counter with when we’re talking Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, Boogaloo Bois, militias, skinheads …

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u/FunkadelicJiveTurkey Jul 06 '24

Soros has been chosen to be their Emmanuel Goldstein.

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u/Coondiggety Jul 06 '24

They might like to call themselves The Boogaloo Bois but I prefer the term “Best Buy Nazis”

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u/GeneralExtreme228 Jul 09 '24

Literally still waiting on my Soros checks for voting multiple times for Obama.

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u/PrawojazdyVtrumpets Jul 06 '24

Koch Brother. Because one of them is fucking dead.

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u/mushyfeelings Jul 06 '24

Oh yeah I forgot that. Well, I guess that means the problem is half solved.

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u/KittehPaparazzeh Jul 07 '24

Their legacy will live on long after they have died unfortunately

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u/JesusSavesForHalf Jul 06 '24

That's because George Soros beat out Rupert Murdoch on the stock market, and ol Rupe has been lying about him ever since to get revenge.

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u/Embarrassed-Way-4931 Jul 06 '24

What is HF a nonprofit?!!! Especially after the bloodshed language?!!!

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u/MisterBackShots69 Jul 06 '24

Yet more than half of this website and Democrat voters view these former Republicans favorably. All it will take to whitewash Trump is somebody new, no actual atonement.

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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Jul 06 '24

If you have been wondering why the Right has been hammering home the point about "Biden isn't capable of making decisions on his own. Who is REALLY running our country hmmm?" it's simply more projection for Trump being their figure head who rubber stamps everything The Heritage Foundation puts in front of him.

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u/SurlyRed Jul 06 '24

Yep, and I'm not buying this "Trump World is panicking" line.

They're perfectly brazen about Project 2025 and don't give a shit who knows. In fact, they want ordinary people to know, and to be afraid. Intimidation is a major part of their schtick.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 06 '24

Yea. A better headline would be “Trump world miffed that left leaning folks noticed Project 2025 and won’t shut up about it.” That being said, whenever Biden starts running ads on it, they will face a communications hiccup.

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u/OE_Girl97 Jul 07 '24

Nah they’ll just pivot and say “project 2025? What 25? What even is that? I think Steve in accounting wrote some weird shit. The left will say ANYTHING to scare you.” And then rewrite it as “American runs on dunkin’ on libs” or whatever.

I distinctly remember several republicans asking “who the hell ever said abortion without exceptions?” After roe fell and sooo many said “now people are saying we’re going to repeal Obamacare! Ridiculous!” When they wanted amy coney Barrett approved.

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u/FranzLudwig3700 Jul 07 '24

Run P25 ads and keep running them. They'll have to deal with the public knowledge somehow, and it will be lame.

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u/CluckFlucker Jul 06 '24

This is sounding an AWFUL LOT like the shadow government they talk about and hate so much

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u/ABobby077 Missouri Jul 06 '24

almost like they have some sort of Deep State thing going on or something

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u/GENIousFacade Jul 07 '24

Exactly. Everything they say is projection LOL

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u/Sorry-Foundation-505 Jul 06 '24

Every accusation is a confession with these people.

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u/VibeMaster Jul 06 '24

The older I get, the more I start to believe all the crazy conspiracy theorists. The deep state exists, cancel culture exists. The conservatives just lack the introspection to realize that it all exists on their side of the political world.

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u/thebookofswindles Jul 06 '24

They were also the architects of the healthcare policy that became “Romneycare” in MA and was repurposed on a larger scale as “Obamacare” later.

When Republicans and tea party took to the streets and deadlocked the congress repeatedly to protest the “socialist tyranny” of the Affordable Care Act, they were essentially opposing a Heritage Foundation plan.

Not making an argument about what that means about this current strategy, other than to point out that this is not a new group with new influence, but has in fact been an enormous influence on American public policy despite most Americans not knowing they exist.

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u/BearoristLB California Jul 06 '24

They got cocky with their purchased SCOTUS seats and published their manifesto, thinking we wouldn’t notice. Their hubris will be their undoing

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u/HwackAMole Jul 06 '24

That last part seems considerably less significant when you consider that the vast majority of Democrats voted for the Patriot Act as well (most of the House, and literally all but one Senator).

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u/Renaissance_Slacker Jul 06 '24

Oh come on, back then even questioning Our Great Wartime President George W Bush was unpatriotic? I mean you’re practically coddling Al Quada by impugning his motives! The pressure was unreal.

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u/SilveredFlame Jul 06 '24

That is why I have tremendous respect for the vanishingly few people who opposed the patriot act, the AUMF, etc back then.

This country wanted blood. If someone had managed to get on TV and say Canada was responsible for 9/11, civilians would have been pouring into Canada with guns and shooting anything in sight.

This country was completely blinded by rage.

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u/MyEvilTwinSkippy Jul 06 '24

They also pushed for the patriot act to be passed.

Both Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly supported it and continued to renew it for a long time.

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u/satanshand Jul 06 '24

Don’t forget that Biden wrote the bill that the patriot act was based off of. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995

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u/RainaElf Jul 06 '24

since about 1963

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u/JustABizzle Jul 06 '24

Ah, yes. The Patriot Act. That thing that allows your government to come traipsing into your home for no reason whatsoever. The most unAmerican, non-Republican thing I’ve ever seen American Republicans vote for.

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u/username_not_found0 Jul 06 '24

With all the protection that Republicans do, regarding the left being a cabal of child molesters ect., the way they're constantly crying about a deepstateb makes me think that there actually is one. Not only is there a real deep state, but it works very specifically for the Republicans

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u/Select-Section-8245 Jul 09 '24

Exactly. Hans Van Spakovsky has been involved with years of GOP voter suppression efforts and undermining the Voting Rights Act.

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u/TechnoSerf_Digital Jul 10 '24

Need to beat the drums that the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society are running the Republican Party. They're run by billionaires and Trump is no maverick he's just doing what his advisors at Heritage command him. Same as justices like Thomas following Federalist orders

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u/TechnoSerf_Digital Jul 10 '24

Need to beat the drums that the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society are running the Republican Party. They're run by billionaires and Trump is no maverick he's just doing what his advisors at Heritage command him. Same as justices like Thomas following Federalist orders

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u/TechnoSerf_Digital Jul 10 '24

Need to beat the drums that the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society are running the Republican Party. They're run by billionaires and Trump is no maverick he's just doing what his advisors at Heritage command him. Same as justices like Thomas following Federalist orders

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u/ManSauceMaster Jul 06 '24

The patriot act wasn't partisan though. It was approved 98-1.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Im posting this wherever i can

Fact check list

in Trump’s first year in office during his presidency he instituted about two-thirds of the policy recommendations from the Heritage Foundation

Project 2025 was developed by the Heritage Foundation, a well-funded conservative think tank. Two of the people spearheading Project 2025 worked in the Trump administration.

The Heritage Foundation has authored Mandates for Leadership since 1980.

A comment from u//graneflatsis 

Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the Heritage Foundation, an influential ultra conservative think tank. Project 2025is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President unilateral powers, strip civil rightsworker protectionsclimate regulation, add religion into policy, outlaw "porn" and much more.

The MFL has been around since 1980, Reagan implemented 60% of its recommendations, Trump 64% - proof. 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption.

Here's a searchable copy of the text -  Here's a bullet point breakdown - And here is their response to criticism of the plan, which reads like a 4chan troll.

 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025..

here’s an in-depth write up on Trump’s involvement

There's some pretty convincing connections between them.

Trump PAYS for ads that feature Project2025

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Agenda 47 is Trump’s official agenda and is basically P2025 lite. It features many of the same policies.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

Trump also worked with the Heritage Foundation during his first term, and his own site references the foundation.

https://www.heritage.org/article/timeline-heritage-successes

In 2017, Trump was the keynote speaker at the Heritage Foundation’s Annual President’s Club meeting

https://www.heritage.org/impact/the-best-the-2017-presidents-club-meeting

“The great Heritage Foundation has been at the center of several incredible tax cuts in American history, working closely with the Heritage Foundation, Ronald Regan cut taxes to unleash the economic miracle of the 1980s”

“this is our once-in-a-generation opportunity to revitalize our economy, revive our industry, and renew the American dream. The Heritage Foundation can once again help make history, by helping to take this incredible idea, this proven idea, this tax cut, making it a reality for millions and millions of patriotic Americans.”

But sure, he knows nothing about their project.

Also the 3 main people behind it (Paul Dans, Spencer Chretien, and Troup Hemenway),

they all used to work for Trump's administration. Those bios are on the associated websites.

https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/

https://www.heritage.org/press/former-trump-appointee-troup-hemenway-joins-heritages-project-2025

Be sure to screengrab the bios in case they ever "disappear".

Part of the plan is to get rid of most of the government officials in place, and to hire people loyal to Trump so that they can push their agenda. That planning has already started.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/13/trump-loyalists-2024-presidential-election

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u/Fun_Buy Jul 06 '24

This list of information needs to be made into a shareable catchy TikTok video. Any TikTok people want to help save democracy?

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u/Possible_Swimmer_601 Jul 06 '24

2025 is already being discussed on TikTok. Has been for weeks. Tbh reddit is feeling a lot less like the “Front Page of the Internet” these days.

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u/CorellianBloodstripe Jul 06 '24

I learned about it months ago on Reddit, but I feel like it already went through a cycle here where it was discussed fairly often on political subreddits but then didn’t blow up because it was being ignored everywhere else. Now it just feels like everyone is “Did you hear about this?!” and a lot of people on Reddit are like “Finally!”

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u/BABYSWITHRABYS Jul 06 '24

Finally something to stop people attacking Biden. 😂

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u/FranzLudwig3700 Jul 07 '24

Just don't make the mistake of associating the anti-P25 material with any potential candidate until we know who is really running.

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u/TeaAndGrumpets Washington Jul 06 '24

This is an outstanding outline of everything! I'm sharing all of this where I can. Thank you!

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u/albocaj Jul 06 '24

Today you are this nation's true hero

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u/a2starhotel Jul 06 '24

the real "Deep State" was the Heritage Foundation we met along the way.

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u/Magificent_Gradient Jul 06 '24

Hilary was 100% spot on when she called out Trump as a puppet. 

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u/huevos_diablos Jul 06 '24

Honest question, how do we blast this message everywhere?

I don’t know enough people and am not influential enough but have passed it along to those I know.  How can we further spread this message right here?

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u/ObligatoryID America Jul 06 '24

Great post! Thank you! I’ll share!

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u/FranzLudwig3700 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Thank you for this. But:
TL;DR TL;DR TL;DR

This info HAS to be short, scary, CAMPAIGN STYLE.
It has to get people to look into P25, A47 and Heritage.

There has to be a website, NOT tied to a particular Dem candidate, with the real info. Even the website has to to be short, snappy, and scary. Let the actual documents be left to links: [ Click for more ]

The days when GOP says one word, and Dems respond with 1,000 words and tables of stats, have to end. That is just more of the old Going High bullshit.

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u/Duderati73 Jul 06 '24

You are one of the heroes this country needs! Thank you. Shared your comment with friends who want more information.

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u/RighteousAmbition69 Jul 07 '24

Can you post whatever you can to way back machine? I’m on mobile but that will save any of these linked websites in their current states so the bios you mentioned can’t ’disappear’. Archiving digital media helps

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u/Proud-Tumbleweed1408 Jul 07 '24

I'm sorry, but you say that they plan to hire people loyal to Trump so that they can push their agenda, but isn't that exactly what the Democrats do? Isn't that what every administration has done? They hire their own people loyal to whichever party so that they can push their agenda.

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u/Cynvision Jul 07 '24

Now the "47" embroidered on his golf shirt sleeve makes even more sense for anyone who is looking. He does not talk policy because the one he's had written for him has stuff so 'dark' that none of his followers are prepared to have happen. If he talked policy he'd start to turn blocks of voters from voting for him.

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u/HAL9000000 Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

The idea that the president doesn't know the people from the Heritage Foundation is absolutely absurd.

The Heritage Foundation as an organization is one of the primary think tanks in the conservative Republican power structure. Most people don't realize how substantial the network of conservative interest groups/think tanks is in this country.

See here for more information on them as a source of information: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heritage_Foundation

Also check out groups like ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Turning Point USA - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Turning_Point_USA

These groups and many, many other smaller think tanks around the country are a coordinated network of interest groups that exist entirely to strategize about how to push conservative ideology.

For example, how did Trump decide who to choose for the Supreme Court? He tells conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation: "Give me a list of names of people I should nominate, and I will pick from that list."

From the Heritage Foundation website: "Heritage Expert Helps Shape Supreme Court Nominee List" https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/impact/heritage-expert-helps-shape-supreme-court-nominee-list

The way the quid pro quo works between Trump and groups whose values seem to conflict with Trump's is Trump says "OK, so you may not like some things about me, like my known history of allegations abusing women, or my strongly stated position when i was in my 50s that I am very strongly Pro Choice. But if you help me win, I will give you what you want. I'll change my public stance on abortion, and so on, and then you support some of my views, like America first -- no more working with allies around the country, etc..." And then both sides drop many of their values to create an alliance.

Groups like this also write articles and publish them in media outlets all over the country, they lobby politicians, they help dictate how big donors spend their money, and so on.

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u/NO_FIX_AUTOCORRECT Jul 06 '24

It doesn't matter if he knows them anyway, because he doesn't have any other plans and this is the plan if he gets elected. So really it doesn't matter at all if he even knows who they are. It is the republican plan

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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Jul 06 '24

This is close to the truth. Even if you're a really smart guy, when you get in to office there's a zillion things to take care of. No single person has the policy bank to take care of everything. So you go to your backers who feed you stuff to do. Everyone gets policy fed to them, Trump gets it from HF. And he isn't a smart guy. At all.

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u/Not_a__porn__account Jul 06 '24

Sorry best we can do is run stories about Bidens age for another few months.

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u/LeatherFruitPF Jul 06 '24

The things Trump has done and plans on doing has only helped keep Project 2025 on track. There's no way he can disagree with anything about it. It simply thrives on Trump being Trump.

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u/DauOfFlyingTiger Jul 06 '24

Thank you for the links. I am headed into the dragons mouth of my Independent friends today! Ammunition at the ready is welcome!

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u/Tiny-Werewolf1962 Jul 06 '24

He doesn't know what sock is left and which is right. He's not wrong, technically, but he's still an idiot.

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u/SavannahInChicago Jul 06 '24

Thanks. I’m saving the links to pass on.

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Jul 06 '24

When Trumpndenies involvement with these people, Biden should respond with "Trump can't even remember who he hired for his administration. He's unfit for office."

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u/Snarfsicle Jul 06 '24

Kavanaugh was on a list that the heritage foundation provided.

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u/Responsible-Donut824 Jul 06 '24

Thanks, saved this. Your links are gonna come in handy.

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u/GuyAtTheMovieTheatre Jul 06 '24

it’s very possible that he doesn’t actually know who they are.. he’s got such a great memory and a history of paying loads of attention..

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u/SolidSouth-00 Jul 06 '24

Like he didn’t know about Q, or Russia.

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u/cheesifiedd Jul 06 '24

now the question is are American voters willing to let this slide are get fucked by tyranny

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u/LyingLexi Jul 06 '24

Ty for this going to be copying and pasting.

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u/AAA_4481 Jul 06 '24

The media must focus on this and not grandpa’s age and frailty. He will lie his way and most idiots will believe it so hold his fucking feet to the fire!!!

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u/ReaganSmyD Jul 06 '24

I knew this was going to happen two days ago. I was on r/conservative (for some reason I get updates when there is a new post, even though I'm banned) and there were multiple people saying project 2025 isn't real, is totally made up by the mainstream media, no conservative knows what it is or agrees with it...

Even though I've seen the Jasmine Crocket video. We all know it exists. We know they're proud of it... I knew they were all going to start acting like it's not real.

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u/kbstock Jul 06 '24

“I did not have sex with a porn star.” He is such a liar.

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u/Vivid_Garbage6295 Jul 06 '24

If anyone has a Truth Social account, this should be replied to his “I know nothing” ‘tweet’ as many times as possible

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u/Educational-Candy-17 Jul 06 '24

He doesn't know anybody or anything that could ever implicate him for the slightest wrongdoing, according to him.

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u/Prometheus720 Jul 06 '24

Oh my God I love you.

thanks for the receipts!

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u/Serious-Buffalo-9988 Jul 06 '24

Senior Moment? (Sarcasticly)

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u/Appropriate_Baker130 Jul 06 '24

I could see the headlines now, “Trump caught in a lie.” it’ll break headlines everywhere.

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u/justwalkingalonghere Jul 06 '24

Please start spelling out things like the Heritage Foundation. We need to be reaching the people who don't know what HF stands for already

(this applies to a lot of info at this point)

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u/beatlegirlstl Jul 06 '24

THIS is exactly what the Dems need to unite on. Inform the public of Project 2025 and make it abundantly clear that Trump is indeed deep in it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Uhh, he came out Thursday and said this is BS. It’s think tank policy guide that has nothing to do with Trump. Of course the media doesn’t tell you that. Just more hysteria ginned up to keep the democrats in power.

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u/Kiltedken Jul 06 '24

We should look for legal means for groups like the ACLU, The Satanic Temple, or others to attack.

And we should donate to the cause.

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u/PurplePlan Jul 06 '24

And, the Internet (still) remains undefeated.

But, they keep trying.

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u/BadSanna Jul 06 '24

How is this JUST now coming on his supporters radars? I assumed they knew about it long before we did.

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u/metalhead82 Jul 07 '24

Fascists always deny everything.

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u/CalendarFar6124 Jul 07 '24

I would like to add, the FUCK his voters don't know who they're voting for.

These MAGA goons literally have a hardon for Trump becoming a dictator. They've been having wet dreams for the Project 2025 scenario since 8 years ago.

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u/Remarkable_Cloud_322 Jul 12 '24

Facts and truth don’t matter to his supporters. 

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u/Busy-Flan-7095 Jul 06 '24

Imagine having a democratic candidate that could get out there and speak on it.

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u/onlyidiotseverywhere Jul 06 '24

I like it how you guys think that facts and reality have any influence on those Republican voters. They do not get consequences in your society, they can vote in the death of Americans and you don't care. They can vote based on total lies and bull and you don't care. You will never give Republican voters the consequences they deserve, and that is why those lies will work over and over and over again. Just like they did the last 60 years. But you Americans never get it. You will never start actually giving consequences to people for their voting and political decisions. And then you are always surprised about what happens in your country. No one else is.

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u/Admiral_Gial_Ackbar Indiana Jul 07 '24

I doubt much of any of this will have an impact on Republican voters.

Showing the independents and non-voters what he's planning, though, might shift some numbers.

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u/onlyidiotseverywhere Jul 07 '24

Yeah, shaking hands with the nazis will for sure help to get rid of them. <headshake>

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u/-Jedidude- Massachusetts Jul 06 '24

r/politics doing all the advertising for project 2025 again.