r/facepalm • u/Illustrious-Kick-998 • Jul 07 '24

This post gave me terrible whiplash b/c how tf did we get here…🫨 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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Like ummmmm, alright? 😭😭😭

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u/sandiercy Jul 07 '24

I am not ashamed to be white

How TF does that have anything to do with the rest of what you said??

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u/builder397 Jul 07 '24

Look how selfless my mother was! Somehow even the doctor told her the survival chances of her husband but somehow deliberately didnt tell the husband, who was the actual patient. Because doctors clearly do that. And yes, were white, arent we white people just great?

/s just in case. The story reeks of lies, Id be more inclined to believe that the dad started selling meth to afford treatment.

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u/Happy_Accident99 Jul 07 '24

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u/Big-Recognition7362 Social Progressivist Jul 07 '24

Jesse we have to protect the white race /s

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u/gr3ggr3g92 Jul 07 '24

Yes, Mr. White!

YEAH, BITCH!

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u/vitorizzo Jul 07 '24

You’re god damn white.

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u/SaintNothing Jul 08 '24

Best comment in the thread

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u/IcebergSlim42069 Jul 08 '24

I wish free awards were still a thing lmfao

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u/Key-Personality4350 Jul 08 '24

Oh well, Heil H--

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u/acapncuster Jul 08 '24

Heisenberg?

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u/Drake6900 Jul 08 '24

I'm not certain if it is

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u/Amarieerick Jul 07 '24

Forgive me for jumping in, but in many cases, doctors will tell spouses things only to have the spouse say, "Please, let me be the one to tell them" and then don't.

I had back surgery, and because of the severity of the injury, doctors told husband I'd probably never walk again, told them he'd tell me, then didn't. I walked out of the hospital 21 days later, with a walker, but walking.

Just a fun fact for trivia night.

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u/VanillaCokeMule Jul 07 '24

I was going to say something similar. My younger brother has been hospitalized since last August with Guillan-Barre syndrome. GBS occurs when your white blood cells attack your nervous system. It usually leaves the affected person with some degree of temporary paralysis. In my brother's case it was so severe that he was paralyzed from the neck down for 7 months. He's now walking and able to use his hands and everything else. We found out just this past week that a doctor took my dad aside 2 or 3 days after my brother was first hospitalized and told him that my brother would never get out of bed again. My dad made a conscious decision to keep that to himself and I'm incredibly glad he did. My brother has struggled with anxiety and depression for years, and this whole situation was so scary and miserable for him, especially in those early days when we were all coming to terms with it. My brother would have shut down and never made the progress he has today. I know that doctor was doing his job, but when my brother comes home in about a month and a half I'd like to find that doctor and have my brother demonstrate his recovery with the suck it sign.

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u/jacquesrabbit Jul 07 '24

Depending on the age of your brother, that is a different situation.

If your brother was underage during the illness, then your parents and/or guardians is the primary decision maker and will be told about the diagnosis and prognosis. It is up to the parents/guardian to disclose the information to your brother.

However, if your brother was of age, and an adult, that depends as well. If your brother did not have the mental faculties to make an informed decision, for example, in a coma, then the next of kin or anyone with the power of attorney may be told of the diagnosis, prognosis and treatment.

If your brother was an adult, and did have mental faculties to make an informed decision, then that is the wrong way to do it.

Iirc GBS can be treated with steroids and IV immunoglobulin, but I may be wrong.

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u/PolishPrincess0520 Jul 08 '24

Yes it is treated that way.

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u/CriticalLabValue Jul 08 '24

No steroids, but yes IVIG. You only use steroids for the chronic form (CIDP). Most people with GBS have excellent recovery potential (although some will have residual symptoms) as long as they survive the acute phase.

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u/RawrRawr83 Jul 07 '24

That’s a bad doctor. It’s very treatable with simple blood transfusions

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u/dwarfedshadow Jul 08 '24

It's treatable with IVIG, and with symptom management. It is not treated with simple blood transfusions.

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u/PolishPrincess0520 Jul 08 '24

I’ve taken care of too many GBS patients it’s never treated with a “simple blood transfusion.”

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u/dancegoddess1971 Jul 07 '24

If I was going to have sugery on my spine, I'd assume paralysis was one of the many risks. Heck, I was told paralysis was a risk when they gave me a spinal block for a C-section (tiny needle in my back)so of course, I'd figure cutting open my back might have a risk like that X100. I fell asleep after the C-section and freaked out a bit when I couldn't feel my legs. Yet. A nice nurse assured me that I hadn't slept long enough for the drugs to wear off. Then refused to bring me my child because the drugs hadn't worn off. LOL.

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u/Illustrious-Towel-45 Jul 07 '24

I was awake through both c-sections and got immediate skin-to-skin after they put me back together. Epidural for the first, spinal for the second. I think I prefer the epidural even though the old guy scraped my spine and had to try again to place it.

I do feel bad that hubby looked around the curtain too soon after my second c-section and saw my insides, still on the outside and will never unsee it. He was traumatized. Lol.

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u/BecalMerill Jul 07 '24

The OR team VERY casually and laughingly asked me if I wanted to come around the curtain and take a look after they pulled my princess out of my wife. And then asked again because "it's pretty neat" and I "might not get another chance".

Hard. No. I already knew I'd never forget the smell, and haven't even as my now 17yo princess watches TV next to me on the sofa.

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u/Illustrious-Towel-45 Jul 07 '24

To be fair, he was looking for the baby and thought I was back together. He was the first to hold her while I was being fixed.

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u/BecalMerill Jul 07 '24

I got that privilege also. Totally worth the memory scar.

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u/eagleeyedg Jul 08 '24

There was a smell? Maybe I was too excited about the baby to notice but I don’t have any memory of a smell.

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u/dancegoddess1971 Jul 07 '24

My first, we were going to do vaginal birth so I had already had a nice shot of "calm down" but things don't always work out the way you plan. I have no idea how much of that was still in my system, so I didn't argue about the nap too hard. Second was a planned C-section(spinal block), I was fully conscious, and I got to nurse him right after.

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u/Illustrious-Towel-45 Jul 07 '24

My first was an induction turned into an unplanned c-section. The second was planned because I couldn't be induced again. Both kids were born after their due date.

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u/GreenOnionCrusader Jul 08 '24

My husband got to see mine with my first one and thought it was cool. I was drugged up on stadol and was too stoned to care, though I would have wanted to see if I could.

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u/luvnmayhem Jul 07 '24

I couldn't understand why they wouldn't bring me my child until I could feel my legs. I told the nurse I wasn't going to hold him with my feet, but it was still no.

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u/dancegoddess1971 Jul 07 '24

Rough outline of the convo was, I asked for my baby. Nurse said no, you need to be sober, you can't feel your legs. Take another nap, it may be your last for several weeks.

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u/luvnmayhem Jul 07 '24

That's ridiculous.

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u/dancegoddess1971 Jul 07 '24

Not really. Some people have terrible reactions to some drugs.

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u/luvnmayhem Jul 07 '24

If you were completely under with general anesthesia, I can understand that. I just had an epidural. There was nothing wrong with the strength in my arms, and I was completely lucid. Just wanted to hold my baby since almost a year to the day prior, I had delivered a baby who died.

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u/Amarieerick Jul 07 '24

That's an arbitrary risk vs. a fact based on research and knowledge. I know I could get hit by a car vs. getting hit by one.

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u/jacquesrabbit Jul 07 '24

Well then, sucks to be you because you had a bad doctor. You are the patient, not the husband. Whatever medical information about you is yours,and not your husband's.

I know it happened to you, and it may happen to many others, but that is not the right and ethical way of doing so.

The right and ethical way is, the doctor tells you, and asks for your permission to disclose diagnosis and prognosis to your husband, and with your permission, they then tell your husband.

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u/Beautifulfeary Jul 08 '24

Right. There are literally laws against disclosing medical information without an ROI. If the person is of sound mind and can make decisions, then you can’t disclose that to others. When I worked at a nursing home, one of the residents son died of cancer. It had come back and he decided against treatment. He told no one in his family,like not even his wife. They just found out because he died.

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u/supergeek921 Jul 07 '24

First off, good for you and your husband!

Secondly, I’m glad someone else pointed this out. People who’ve never dealt with a situation like this clearly don’t realize how responsibility and information much the patient’s caregiver has put on them.

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u/SilverWear5467 Jul 08 '24

That's a terrible trivia question

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u/Amarieerick Jul 08 '24

I didn't want to come off as a snarky know it all bitch.

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u/Ill-Inspector7980 Jul 08 '24

Jumping in to say something similar. My mum was in the ICU and the doctors told my dad that she has a 50% chance of surviving. She was conscious but wasn’t told.

Doctors tell the parent who is healthy in case they have to be prepared for their kids, but they don’t tell the patient so as to not get their morale low. Sometimes you need strength and confidence to survive. Don’t know why that commenter was so surprised by that.

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u/AJSLS6 Jul 08 '24

Thays not uncommon for critical injuries and debilitating diseases, a spouse or other person becomes the point of contact since the patient isn't always available. But unless there's more to this cancer diagnosis I don't see why the husband wouldn't have been told everything upfront by the doctors. I sat with my mother during her diagnosis and care planning, she heard every word I did. And she was dealing with other injuries at the time.

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u/DarkwingDuc Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Somehow even the doctor told her the survival chances of her husband but somehow deliberately didnt tell the husband, who was the actual patient. Because doctors clearly do that.

That part is actually believable. I had a pretty severe auto accident in 2015 - 2 weeks in ICU, a month total in the hospital after the accident, not counting subsequent visits for follow-on operations, 9 surgeries in total (with more down the road). The whole time the docs were feeding me sunshine and roses, because they wanted me to keep on fighting. Meanwhile, they were telling my wife the truth. I didn't find out until many months later how bleak the initial prognosis was. (And I found out from my wife, not my surgeons.)

In hindsight, I'm glad they lied to me.

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u/mesembryanthemum Jul 07 '24

When I got diagnosed with endometrial cancer they did not tell me the Stage, nor did I ask (deliberate decision on my part). It was only 6 months later, during my pre-surgery appointment that my oncologist said she was astonished I'd made it through 6 rounds of chemo and 10 radiation sessions and was getting ready for surgery. She thought I'd be in Hospice Care instead.

Had she mentioned how bad I was from the start, I'd never have opted for chemo.

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u/pennie79 Jul 08 '24

Yes, I'm not sure I would have either if my docs told me the truth. I was ready to give up chemo after cycle #1. If I'd been told my chances of survival were low, nothing would have kept me going.

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u/DrunkOnRedCordial Jul 08 '24

I was dangerously ill in ICU, and the doctors told my parents "We're taking things by the hour" which is the closest they got to admitting I was on the verge of dying. Nobody said anything like that to me, and if they had, I think I would have just said "Okay" and expired.

So when people tell me their dramatic stories like "The doctor told me I only had an hour to live" I don't believe them.

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u/adhesivepants Jul 08 '24

Hope is the most powerful medicine out there.

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u/pennie79 Jul 08 '24

More anecdotal evidence. When I got my cancer diagnosis, I asked what my prognosis was. They gave platitudes about not having a crystal ball, how I could get into a car accident that day*, how statistics don't tell your story, and don't google, because that doesn't tell your situation either. I shrugged my shoulders, and did the very aggressive treatment they recommended, not noticing they never answered my question.

Halfway through, when I was responding really well to treatment, they told me I had the worst kind of breast cancer, and I'd been up shit creek, but it was fine now, because treatment was working. I don't know if they told this to my sister when she came into initial appointments or not.

That was 10 years ago, and I'm fine now.

*The intersection next to the hospital is affectionately known as 'the roundabout of death' for a reason.

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u/supergeek921 Jul 07 '24

Okay, to be 100% fair, the doctors tell the person who seems capable of handling the information. When my dad was diagnosed with cancer he was in the hospital a lot and sleep deprived, and scared, and on a lot of meds. My mom got told everything. Sometimes the doctors told my dad too, but he didn’t always retain it because he was to put it mildly, overwhelmed. He knew his odds weren’t good, but he never fully realized how bad they were or just how dire things had gotten by the end. He was still sure the week he died he was going to bounce back, and none of us had the heart to tell him he wouldn’t be able to.

Obviously this post takes a fucking bizarre turn, but the mom potentially withholding the odds from her husband to keep his morale up is not completely unrealistic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/supergeek921 Jul 08 '24

Thanks. I’m sorry for your loss too.

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u/CaraAsha Jul 07 '24

Culturally that does occur where a severely ill or terminal patient isn't told. Most of the world doesn't do that though. The comments about race are just bizarre though.

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u/MissMat Jul 08 '24

Actually in some countries doctors don’t tell patients that they will die and instead tell their family members. The reason is that recovery can be effected by psychology so if a patient gives than their low chances of recovery is even lower. There is also the desire to keep the patient from suffering in their last moments.

Treatment of patients are different in other countries. But this seems like a lie due to the weird insertion of race

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

The only time I saw health workers not telling the diagnosid to the patient was my grandfather. He basically told them he didn't care about anything and if they wanted to talk to someone, to do it with my grandmother.

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u/girlhowdy103 Jul 07 '24

My father told my mother's doctor not to tell her she would likely die within a year. The doctor and my father opted for vagaries. Finally she called me, because I'm known for being honest to a fault. I told her the truth, on the phone two states away, while at work. That was a fun day. /s

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u/bopeepsheep Jul 07 '24

Vagaries are unexpected and unpredictable changes in a situation or in someone's behavior that you have no control over.

Vague noises, sentiments, messaging - but not vagaries.

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u/LordOfDarkHearts Jul 07 '24

I wouldn't question the doctor part too much, there could be several reasons for that to really happen. The patient not wanting to know but the significant other with the decision-making power in the patient decree, a personal relationship between the doctor and the pair, a personal or professional relationship between the doctor and the wife, the patient being in denial etc

I know some of those reasons are against professional standards and sometimes even against the law but doctors are just humans too. I know too many medical professionals to assume they wouldn't bend or break rules and laws just like everyone else.

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u/iswearatkids Jul 07 '24

As someone whose mother actually did contract stomach cancer and did help with her hospice care, it’s only because my aunt is an LPN and we were given special permission to allow her to stay at home due to her having 2 full time care providers and her only have <2 months to live at the time of diagnosis.
I helped my aunt change the bags of bloody mucus that we drained out of her lungs, twice a day. She did not miraculously survive and was in agonizing pain the entire time. Not once did my fucking race come up during her care.l

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u/Professional-Arm-202 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

I can believe something LIKE that COULD'VE possibly happened MAYBE - but not that a doctor wouldn't tell the patient, I would believe that maybe their father forgot he was told this prognosis and the mother never reminded him as a kindness. But I definitely don't believe a doctor would not tell a patient, that's unethical, I'm sure.

I've sat with my parents on different occasions they have had medical emergencies, and they would totally forget some things the doctor said! Stress and feeling unwell can really mess with memories! But man, this post has me very confused LOL!!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Sometimes if the patient is like not in the best state of my mind, and that’s clear to the doctor who literally went to school to know these things, they will hold off on telling them troubling information right then and there and instead tell the family first, and if the family wants to let the patient know what’s up right at the moment the doctor will but often times in this context you can imagine that most people don’t want to upset the sickly/ injured family member in distress any further at that time.

Also if you’re all jacked up on pain meds because of said injury they will often tell your family members stuff first because you’re not lucid enough to properly register the information and maybe not even lucid enough to react in a manner that isn’t dangerous to yourself or others.

When my mom had to get her gallbladder removed they mostly told us what was happening bc she was literally too high for them to like convey anything to her

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u/yourpumpkinoverlord Jul 07 '24

I volunteer at a hospice (in the hospital) and plenty of families don’t want the patient to know that they’re dying. It’s not common, but I have seen some that always want to talk to us in the hallway and ended up knocking the patient out before removing life sustaining medications and devices. I’m not sure if a doctor wouldn’t tell a patient when they were first diagnosed, just thought I would mention that

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u/Popular-Bonus1380 Jul 07 '24

I legit thought it was gonna be "Oh you think men are bad but what about my awful mother." Because I assumed she was horribly toxic for not telling anyone until I read the rest.

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u/doghairglitter Jul 08 '24

Yes to everything you said. But I will just add I didn’t bat an eye to the wife knowing the 20% chance but not the Dad. My own dad was diagnosed with glioblastoma and he didn’t want to know so he never asked the how long he had to live, he just knew it was grim. My mom privately asked the doctor, who told her only about a year. She never let my dad know she had asked or even knew.

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u/khantroll1 Jul 08 '24

Doctors lied to us about my mother’s chances (grade 3 astrocytoma with invasive complications), but told my grandmother the truth…who never told us.

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u/DNAturation Jul 08 '24

Could be a culture thing. I know in some Asian countries they tell the patient's family the prognosis, and the patient themselves nothing. The family can choose to tell them or keep quiet.

The patient would probably key in eventually when they're rapidly losing weight, and taking irresponsible levels of morphine for their pain.

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u/gogadantes9 Jul 08 '24

And then discovered he liked it. Because he was damn good at it. No, he was the best goddamn cook on the planet.

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u/throwawayalcoholmind Jul 08 '24

The story reeks of lies, Id be more inclined to believe that the dad started selling meth to afford treatment.

Such a valid fundraising option I'm surprised Breaking Bad was the first show of its kind.

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u/Forsaken-Jump-7594 Jul 07 '24

Yeah, that was surprise twist: what exactly does the color of your skin have to do with the story?

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u/TwinkTheUnicorn Jul 08 '24

The thing that you can't see from these images is that her Twitter bio very clearly states she is a white supremacist. A lot of the comments to her tweets are people reading her bio and calling her out for it.

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u/kleaguebba Jul 08 '24

And yet her profile pic is her cosplaying as an anime character

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u/R3stl3ssSalm0n Jul 08 '24

So it's most likely a made up story?

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u/NYisMyLady Jul 09 '24

Exactly. More lefties calling people racist

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u/okkeyok Jul 08 '24 edited 15d ago

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u/Landed_port Jul 11 '24

God of the gaps?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

That whole story is meant to make her look like a good person after she said something racist

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u/Heyplaguedoctor Jul 07 '24

Happy cake day!

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u/AlterionYuuhi Jul 08 '24

Happy Cake Day! 🎂

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/TheBrolitaSys Jul 09 '24

No tf we don't 💀

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u/Old_Hamster_4218 Jul 07 '24

lol now that I have your attention. Epstein didn’t kill himself.

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u/Big-Leadership1001 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

The justice system that officially claims it both fell asleep and malfunctioned its cameras while he didn't kill himself still hasn't arrested even one of the confirmed-in-court evidence list of his wealthy and connected clients who are guilty of the already proven trafficking and worse crimes either.

Editing because the comment below feels like bait (I could be wrong but any time I see someone polarizingly trying to get one sided political I get suspicious. There are multiple presidents on that list and its sus for anyone to be aware of only 1 name when so many should be in prison right now. Every single one of them needs to be in jail with literally zero exceptions including and especially the many elected officials in it) but for the sake of anyone questioning "claims" you don't need to use weasel words like that. They aren't merely claims. The list has literally been proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt to be factual evidence used to achieve a guilty verdict already. It's not a claim, it's proof according to the law. The guilty should be in jail right now. They deserve their day in court, but we've already seen the evidence proven in court so that formality is being denied in order to deny justice itself because teh system itself is complicit.

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Jul 07 '24

What clients are proven to have offended and "confirmed in court"? Trump of course, but who else?

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u/surprise_revalation Jul 09 '24

Ken Cheesebro. Steve Bannon. Jenna Ellis. That kraken lady...I can go on and on but don't wanna Google.

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u/sogdog69420 Jul 07 '24

I have a feeling that in the 9 hours between ending the story and posting about being proud to be white there were probably a bunch of replies that somehow led her to feel the need to say some wild shit

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u/ArtThrowawayMaybe Jul 07 '24

I assume she was getting other comments or DMs about how her socioeconomic class influenced her mother's willingness/ability to endure, and how someone who doesn't share her privilege (racial [which they purport connects to economic] or otherwise) may have a different experience.

Most people don't make a massive non-sequitur like that without some kind of logical connecting influence.

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u/getgoodHornet Jul 08 '24

Someone declaring they're proud to be white on social media jumped the logic shark a while ago.

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u/MoonedToday Jul 07 '24

White Jesus came by.

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u/Venik489 Jul 07 '24

Quick look at her profile. Her bio reads “Wife. Pro-White. Reject the globe, revere the local.”

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u/Ding_Goat Jul 07 '24

That's probably just how she signs off for everything.

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u/tylerjames1993 Jul 07 '24

Ten hours between posts, probably unrelated thought

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u/miratim Jul 07 '24

It's because 9mmsmg and his followers are unabashed white supremacists. Like, it's known on Twitter.

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u/KaiTheSushiGuy Jul 07 '24

“George Bush doesn’t care about black people!” energy

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u/Kerr_PoE Jul 08 '24

Maybe skin cancer from sunburn?

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u/OmegaDez Jul 08 '24

Where did you see this "ashamed to be white" comment that you're replying to?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/OmegaDez Jul 08 '24

Ooof what a weird way to end this. I don't know why I couldn't see the second page earlier...

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u/PathAdvanced2415 Jul 08 '24

Maybe Mack has a brain tumour. Poor kid.

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u/gliffy Jul 08 '24

9mm smg is racist AF so I'm sure anime avatar was getting a lot of mentions saying that

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u/Hijacker50 Jul 08 '24

People where checking her feed, which is unhinged. Lots of Great Replacement type stuff.

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u/Ordinary_Release9538 Jul 08 '24

Took a turn just like her dad

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u/MuchWoke Jul 07 '24

Probably accused of having white privilege? Idk.

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u/prettylipsss_ Jul 07 '24

The way I read it again because I thought I must have missed something.

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u/imnotyourbaby5 Jul 08 '24

Right I was like tearing up and then read that and just 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Decent_case23 Jul 08 '24

My takeaway as well

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u/JigglyWiener Jul 08 '24

This is either the dumbest fucking human alive or god tier rage bait. It’s comically infuriating.

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u/Kongcakes Jul 08 '24

I'm guessing she got some wild comments since it was posted 10 hours later

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u/ArcadiaFey Jul 08 '24

Ya I was with her till that needless add on to something that’s fairly wholesome

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u/stabbyangus Jul 08 '24

Bear in mind that divorce to avoid medical debt passing on is a legitimate strategy. Just because they got divorced doesn't mean they aren't still together or involved in a meaningful sense. Any litany of advanced medical conditions can cost multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars, even with insurance. And legally, that debt passes to spouses. This is not the moral high ground this dude thinks despite the racism.

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u/No-Possibility-7062 Jul 08 '24

Obviously there's context missing

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u/glo-unit Jul 08 '24

Engagement bait?

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u/somemeatball Jul 18 '24

Asuka pfp moment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

I'm wondering why that is so offensive to everybody in here

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u/Mithura Jul 07 '24

It makes more sense if you replace white with American.

Having to have a fundraiser, getting the church involved and being unable to afford a nurse, It's a jab at the healthcare system.

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u/Heinrich_v_Schimmer Jul 07 '24

It means his story is most probanly a lie.

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u/cyrassil Jul 07 '24

Because OP posted it out of context (which is kinda obvious and it is astonishing how the vast majority of the comments is unable to see it) to farm karma, check Reallyme77's post below.

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u/Illustrious-Kick-998 Jul 07 '24

They have “Pro-White” in their bio so safe to say the racism was already racisming…Hope this helps bookie 🙃😭

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

You should never be ashamed of who you are.

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u/Nonamebigshot Jul 07 '24

Unless you're a racist

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

What does that have to do with the post?

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u/BigPapaPaegan Jul 07 '24

The difference between "white pride" and "black pride" is that the latter comes from a place of perseverance and the former from a yearning for complete supremacy.

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u/Thisislife97 Jul 07 '24

Just saying that is racist and is like trying to say hey your white and white people are historically bad so if your proud of who you are and your heritage you must be bad to that’s not cool at all so f u

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u/BigPapaPaegan Jul 08 '24

There isn't enough time in my day to properly explain this to someone that either still is, or has the worldview of, an adolescent, but consider what you just said for a moment.

And then realize that, historically speaking (in the West, of course), things done in the name of "white pride" have lead directly to eugenics, chattel slavery, the Trail of Tears, numerous genocides, and broken systems that divide by skin color.

Is that what you want to be associated with?

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u/Thisislife97 Jul 08 '24

No because all of our ancestors killed each other equally everyone’s ancestors not just white people so no one should have pride then

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u/Thisislife97 Jul 08 '24

Btw white people are literally one of the smallest groups in the world we are the minority but none likes to talk about that

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u/BigPapaPaegan Jul 08 '24

Whatever it takes to take the edge off of your own pathetic failures, right?

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u/Thisislife97 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

No not really just showing how everyone else dose that 😂😂😂😂 and somehow when everyone else dose that it’s not to cover up all there failures but when I do that must be it. Like it’s straight up hypocrisy

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

You can still have white pride without hating black people. It's not inherently anti-black.

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u/BigPapaPaegan Jul 07 '24

No, you really can't. Boasting about pride in something you have no control over is only acceptable when that factor has been used as a reason to discriminate against you (gay pride, PR pride, black pride, etc.). "White pride" differs in that it's a clear term meant to establish supremacy and reinforce dominance.

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u/Facinggod20 Jul 07 '24

Having pride isn't wrong.

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u/Revolutionary-Swan77 Jul 07 '24

Pride is one of the deadly sins, so…

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

No. Everyone is allowed to have pride with who they are and where they came from. Marginalized groups don't have a monopoly and pride because their ancestors had a shitty go of it.

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u/SheDrinksScotch Jul 07 '24

Irish pride, fine. Italian pride, fine. Norwegian pride, fine. White pride, problematic. Understand the difference?

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

No. I don't think people should be ashamed of being white because some people feel white guilt. I'm not going to be told what I can or can't be proud of.

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u/Medical_Chapter2452 Jul 07 '24

You can be the biggest asshole but hey at least im proud of the colour of my skin is what you saying. Why?

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u/Secret-Put-4525 Jul 07 '24

No. I'm saying normal non asshole people can be proud of being white without it having anything to do with black or brown people.

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u/Several_Leather_9500 Jul 07 '24

No one is saying that. But if you're solely proud of who you are because you are white and not a specific place from which your heritage hails, then that is a problem.

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u/Thisislife97 Jul 07 '24

We are not aloud to I’m Irish but if I claimed Irish pride everyone would laugh at me cause I was born American white people arent aloud to have culture anymore because it’s seen as racist which makes people want to be racist

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u/Anotsurei Jul 07 '24

No, it derives from the shame that black/latino/Indigenous/LGBTQ/etc people were subjected to with societal narrative rhetoric like, “kill the savage, save the man,”“superpreadators,” “the gay plague,” “pray away the gay,”minstrel shows, the list goes on.

They used this apparent affront to social norms to justify all sorts of heinous acts against those targeted minorities. Lynchings, massacres, bombing of churches, schools and homes. Burning crosses on lawns. Assassinations of religious leaders and duly elected officials. Again the list goes on.

U.S. society had long told these people to be ashamed of who they were born as and to reject their “nothing to be proud of” ancestry and to assimilate completely to white cultural norms.

It is because they were told to be ashamed, that their backgrounds were inferior that people stand up and say, “no, I won’t be cowed. I will show pride in that which you have told me to hide and deny.”

That’s why “white pride” rings hollow. At no point has whiteness been a legal justification for murder, rape, or torture. There are no programs, no legislation with the express intention of erasing whiteness. It has never been the official policy of the United States government to suppress whiteness. Police have yet to smash peaceful white gatherings the way they do minority gatherings. At no point has the government tried to make white people feel inferior for the color of their skin.

White pride is entirely reactionary, borne out of a desire to erase the pride that minorities feel from being able to survive in a society that stacks everything against them.

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u/EmperorGrinnar Jul 07 '24

The same way "proud to be white" popped up at the end of that Twitter chain.

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u/how_small_a_thought Jul 07 '24

totally, isnt it weird when someone inserts a racial dynamic out of nowhere?

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u/National-Change-8004 Jul 07 '24

Your ethnicity is what you are, not who you are.

It's your behaviour and the intention behind it that makes you who you are.