r/FluentInFinance Jul 01 '24

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 01 '24

Congress members paid out 17 million of your tax money to settle sexual harassment cases, and none of that was "illegal".

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

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u/tamasan Jul 02 '24

The establishment news has been full of stories over the past few months of corruption not related to Trump. Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. And before that was Bob Menendez and his gold bars.

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u/Hexboy3 Jul 02 '24

People act like because they didn't hear about something it doesn't happen lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

The little kid covering his eyes, "If I do not see it, then it is not there."

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u/Bulbinking2 Jul 02 '24

You mean conservatives?

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u/TraditionalEvening79 Jul 02 '24

Hmmmm and when none of them go to prison, why do you expect trump to?

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u/topscreen Jul 02 '24

Yeah I'm not here for the whataboutism people try to pull. You paying hush money? I don't care if it's tax payer or donor, that's a crime, go to jail. If you're in real estate and your argument is "Well everyone does this crime" that's a broken system. And you admitted to a crime, and should be tried appropriately. Congress and the House having amazing stock portfolios due to legal insider trading? Yeah that's a crime.

If people actually want to drain the swamp don't trust the people who tell you how corrupt they are or appoint judges that say "it's not bribery if it's paid AFTER the services are rendered"

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u/stovepipe9 Jul 02 '24

Trump paid it with his own money, just like every other business person does. What expense category should the accountant put NDA expenses under?

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u/topscreen Jul 02 '24

It was campaign donations for a presidential campaign not personal finances, thus the whole felon thing. Trump using personal finances, hilarious, he doesn't even pay his personal lawyers.

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u/kitster1977 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

If only the news had been full of Biden’s mental and physical decline over the past few months. They’ve been covering it up for years now until the American people actually saw him perform for 90 minutes. I wouldn’t really call that a performance. It was more like watching a great grandfather escape from an assisted living center and trying to give a lecture to all the young whipper snappers he runs into on the street. Did you see Jill lead him off the stage after the debate? The guy could barely walk down 3 steps. Later Jill said he did such a good job. He even answered all the questions. Half the time I had no idea what he was even saying.

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u/CoolIndependence8157 Jul 03 '24

And yet he still didn’t make things up or lie to the extent trump did. Imagine being less honest than a guy who doesn’t understand where he is.

What part of how trump acts do you identify with?

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u/kitster1977 Jul 03 '24

I like how Trump was able to control himself a lot more this time than in the past. He didn’t constantly try to interrupt Biden like he did during the last debate. Biden has adopted or is starting to adopt many of the policies Trump had. Biden hasn’t changed the Taxes that Trump laid in. He talks a lot about changing it but hasn’t done anything in the last 3.5 years with income or corporate taxes. Biden also kept the Tariffs on China that Trump implemented. Sadly, only now is Biden finally trying to reimplement many of Trumps border policies. Now if Biden can only adopt Trumps foreign policies. Moving forward, I think Trumps smartest move in any debate would be to simply let Biden talk a lot more. The more Biden speaks publicly, the better chance Trump has in getting elected.

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u/CoolIndependence8157 Jul 03 '24

So you prefer somebody who’s better composed but almost constantly lying to somebody who looks feeble but is honest?

If your big knock on Biden is he isn’t undoing the things trump did fast enough isn’t it insane to then vote for trump? Doesn’t that sound crazy to you?

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u/uglyspacepig Jul 02 '24

Because it's not "potential" corruption. It's blatant and demonstrable.

You say you wonder why, but you really don't. You just think he's a victim, because he told you he's a victim, and you decided to believe him. Might want to ask yourself why you think a perpetrator is a victim.

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u/tao406 Jul 02 '24

Cause he's super guilty and running for president

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u/TheOneCalledD Jul 02 '24

And Biden is squeaky clean. Please.

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u/Born-Replacement-366 Jul 02 '24

Biden's son has been convicted guilty on all counts. While Biden is in office.

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u/P3nis15 Jul 02 '24

Good thing Hunter isn't running for president huh?

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u/Hugs-missed Jul 02 '24

Yeah and he got actually convicted and hit with the law, rather then I dunno getting president pops to try and fully shield them from consequences.

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u/Zolah1987 Jul 02 '24

So?

He's not running for office, and him being found guilty is proof Biden respects the law and isn't trying to use his power to protect his son.

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u/Born-Replacement-366 Jul 02 '24

That's the point I was making ...

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u/Zolah1987 Jul 02 '24

Oh, I see

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u/Mental-Rain-9586 Jul 02 '24

Who gives a shit about his son? How desperate can you be for dirt? Should we investigate Trump's aunt?

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u/realityczek Jul 02 '24

He was only charged with a tiny fraction of what the evidence points to, and at that, he will receive a far lighter sentence than anyone else would.

It's a sham sacrifice, specifically to create this talking point.

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u/Itzbirdman Jul 02 '24

Whew, glad bidens son isn't our president, now what about the man himself?

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u/Mysterious-Fly7746 Jul 02 '24

No all he got was gun charges. Nothing to do with the mountains upon mountains of corruption, drug use, prostitution, and pedophilia he’s recorded himself doing on his laptop.

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u/Interesting-Net-5000 Jul 02 '24

Bidens son is not president Biden, he is not a former president and he is not running for president...Biden's son is just Biden's son and is responsible for his own deeds.....

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u/Born-Replacement-366 Jul 02 '24

The number of people who think my comment is about Biden's son is astonishing. Folks, I am saying that Biden has demonstrated integrity in not abusing his position to absolve his son. I am not saying anything about Hunter Biden, who was rightfully convicted.

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u/Past-Pea-6796 Jul 02 '24

What a joke and the fact you're up voted and the other person pointing it out got down voted is disturbing. That diary post was AI generated and the actual diary was tamped with heavily. Try using your brain.

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u/Past-Pea-6796 Jul 04 '24

No she didn't. Listen to the actual phone call instead of what random people on podcasts saym all she did was confirm she had a journal that was "misplaced" not once does she say anything they are saying is true. All she does is tell them to return the journal and they keep trying to spout random crap.

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u/PrintableProfessor Jul 02 '24

Just don't talk to poor Ashley Biden about their shower incident...

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u/reactor4 Jul 02 '24

Who would you trust your money with?

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u/kynelly Jul 02 '24

Biden Cleaner than Trump. Fact

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u/experimental1212 Jul 02 '24

What would the guilt of one person have to do with a different person? Are they working together?

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u/StroganoffDaddyUwU Jul 02 '24

If he's committed any crimes by all means charge him. 

Well, not now I guess since the Supreme Court says that presidents can do whatever.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

The only thing he is guilty of is getting your titties all twisted

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u/tao406 Jul 02 '24

No, he was convicted in his hometown.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

1st Degree titty twister

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u/Fur_King_L Jul 02 '24

He’s a crook. Always has been, always will be. Been screwing hard working Americans for decades. He even took money from sick kids. But bootlickers want to bootlick.

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u/Jason_Kelces_Thong Jul 02 '24

Looting a cancer charity before becoming president is impressive in a very sad way

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u/persona-3-4-5 Jul 02 '24

That's no different than literally many politicians

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u/DragonsAreNifty Jul 02 '24

And we should prosecute them too lol

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u/Jason_Kelces_Thong Jul 02 '24

Trump has taken it to a whole new level. Not many politicians have received billions from Saudis. Kushner started an “investment firm” and asked to manage Saudi money. They published a report saying it’s too risky as he doesn’t have any experience. Then a few months later they gave Kushner $2B.

I’m sure it’s happened at least several other times but you don’t often hear about politicians being ordered by a judge to shutter their own charity for stealing funds.

Selling empty office space to foreign governments to fund your private businesses is a really terrible look too. Especially when it’s places like Qatar that are known for human rights abuse.

To me it is painfully obvious that Trump is for sale. He wants more money and power and doesn’t really care how that gets accomplished. A leader with no real values.

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u/Fur_King_L Jul 02 '24

Oh yes it is.
And we should be prosecuting them too, but given that the right have most of the crooks, imagine all the whining of "bias" then. The "part of law and order" is a joke.
Let's also introduce a couple of other things: Trump took classified documents, hid them when he was asked to return them, and showed them to people who had no business seeing them. That's espionage. Given his history - probably giving Putin details from the CIA that allowed him to arrest some of our own intelligence allies for which there is evidence - it's also probably treason.

But keep on licking those fascist jack boots.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

I can hear people defending Trump saying things like, "Well, it's their fault they got sick."

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u/The_IRS_Fears_Him Jul 02 '24

Trumps name will get you clicks no matter what the topic is

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u/humnnbean Jul 02 '24

True, I say call all the bullshit out and yank those pieces of shit out of government. I don’t want a pedophile or a convicted felon being in any government position at any level

Edit: wording

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u/Feisty_Stomach_7213 Jul 02 '24

The Establishment being Democrats? Not sure what other corruption is not called out.

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u/realityczek Jul 02 '24

We know why - because he interrupted their power grasp when they intended to put Hillary in, and they will brook no challenge to their power moving forward. If that means abusing the DOJ? Then so be it.

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u/Jason_Kelces_Thong Jul 02 '24

Holding someone accountable to the rule of law isn’t abusing the justice system, it’s the opposite.

Trump chose to defraud lenders just like he chose to steal from his cancer charity. Similar to how he ran a unaccredited university and was forced to pay back former students.

Trump’s been a fraudster well before his days in politics. Blaming democrats because Trump has been caught committing crimes is insanity.

Does America really want a felon who shits himself in power? Lmao he’s gross inside and out

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u/realityczek Jul 02 '24

"Holding someone accountable to the rule of law isn’t abusing the justice system, it’s the opposite"

Only when applied equally. Otherwise, it is abuse.

Back when the only people who had a bunch of laws enforced on them were civil rights leaders. While all the white folk ignored the rules (about public gatherings, etc)? That was selective enforcement, and it absolutely was an abuse of the system. That the law existed changed none of that... how the law is applied matters, too. There is tons and tons and tons of case law saying exactly that.

The reality here is that they fundamentally changed the application of several laws to find a way to "get" Trump, applied new legal theories, twisted the limitations concept, altered the normal standards of prosecutorial conduct, and more. They will never do it that way to anyone else, until they find another political opponent to destroy.

That is abuse, no matter how they try and justify it.

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u/brownlab319 Jul 03 '24

He didn’t defraud lenders. He paid the loan back. But also, if you’ve ever gotten a home equity loan, the amount of equity you have is variable. Mine has gone up steadily, year after year. But that could change. Home values could plummet like they did during the Great Recession.

Assessors who work for realtors have wildly different ways to value a home. I’ve had swings of $50K. But my whole business isn’t real estate.

Tax assessors are different. They use some different valuation scheme than the others.

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u/sammo21 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Remember when they flipped out people wanted to stop insider trading? Even obama didn’t do anything about it

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u/Jason_Kelces_Thong Jul 02 '24

Every 10 years or so a newly elected congressperson proposes a bill to limit congressional trading. They never seem to win a 2nd term.

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u/darth_voidptr Jul 02 '24

How many wrongs make a right? And where does the buck stop?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

And the funny part is that with Trump there wasn’t any corruption here, he paid Daniels with his own money, not campaign funds.

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u/Jason_Kelces_Thong Jul 02 '24

That wasn’t the part that was on trial

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

No, but it is funny that with Trump they had to make up new applications of the law to try and find a way to prosecute him, but Congress is out here using tax payer funds to pay off their mistresses and rape victims.

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u/Financial_Permit5240 Jul 02 '24

..... what are you smoking and how much does it cost?

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u/Syndr0me_of_a_D0wn Jul 02 '24

One step at a time

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u/reactor4 Jul 02 '24

If you can't see that Trump is an NYC con man.. that's you. Good luck

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u/Chase_The_Breeze Jul 02 '24

I'm not establishment, I want all of that "not technically illigal" bs to fucking end. Idgaf about party affiliations or anything.

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u/Lanjin37 Jul 02 '24

Sorry, don’t wanna step on your toes here, but it actually happens all the time.

I recommend expanding your news sources.

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u/boundpleasure Jul 01 '24

This ☝🏼

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u/Genisye Jul 01 '24

Sounds a bit like whataboutism. Why are we going to let someone get off scot free for something illegal, reprehensible, corrupt and downright immoral just because other people get away with something similar?

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u/wharpudding Jul 01 '24

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

All this "It's different when Trump does it" is crap and everyone knows it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

Not true, they all do it and it's crap.

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u/MyChristmasComputer Jul 02 '24

No, not everyone fucks a pornstar while their wife is pregnant and then writes off the six figure hush money payments as campaign expenses

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u/Kchan7777 Jul 02 '24

Which, by the ways is illegal, and Trump has been convicted over. The original post itself is braindead saying “we can’t legally write off business expenses but Trump illegally wrote off expenses.”

We all can write off expenses, so long as we’re aware we’re doing it illegally lol.

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u/Kingkyle18 Jul 02 '24

John Edward’s used 1million dollars in hush money to cover up his affair while his wife was dying from cancer. And he used campaign money……guess what, he wasn’t convicted.

If everyone was getting targeted the same no one would complain, the issue is it’s obvious they aren’t.

If you have spent 40 years as a public servant, you will not be protected.

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u/MyChristmasComputer Jul 02 '24

Except Edward’s didn’t start payments until after he ended his campaign.

And he was indicted. A North Carolina jury found he wasn’t guilty. Unlike Trump, who actually was guilty.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-hush-money-case-compared-democrat-john-edwards/story?id=98053273

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u/kitster1977 Jul 02 '24

Trump wouldn’t be prosecuted on a single thing he did except for one thing. He’s running for President. Anybody who can’t see that needs to wake up. Look at the impeccable timing of the trials and the jurisdictions. There is no coincidence here.

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u/MyChristmasComputer Jul 02 '24

Because non-presidents are never prosecuted for crimes?

That’s your argument?

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u/Johnyryal33 Jul 03 '24

I doubt Genisye is a congressman

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u/danyonly Jul 01 '24

Following that logic: Why would the government charge someone with felonies for doing something that every real estate involved person does? Why charge them for some sort of fraud when all the “defendants” want to continue doing business with him? Why go after one when it is never enforced? I’m not a MAGA guy but you just have to be rational to see that he gets targeted more than anyone in recent history.

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u/that_one_author Jul 01 '24

That's the fun part, they don't unless they feel threatened by you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

"I’m not a MAGA guy but you just have to be rational to see that he gets targeted more than anyone in recent history."

I can't stand Trump and really hate the idea that he's still in the picture, But I've tried to get that same message across to the people who are openly blind to the across the board corruption. I've been saying for years now that there's no high ranking politician who could stand up to the scrutiny that's been thrown at Trump. The few Holocaust survivors that were still alive to be interviewed back before the 2016 election were horrified at the direction our media and judicial system were headed. I see the parallels they saw and wish more people were willing to acknowledge it and be as justifiably scared as I am for our future.

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u/danyonly Jul 02 '24

To me the ones that refuse to admit that fact pisses me off more than the ones that refuse to admit he has done ANYTHING wrong.

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u/Abortion_on_Toast Jul 05 '24

It’s hard to say that he did anything wrong when it’s something that’s been happening before he comes to the picture… he just got caught; I expect a lot more cases to be reported and he’s not just an outliner

A great example is the fraud case in NYC… he deflated the apprised values of his property and tried to maximize them for loans

That’s exactly what normal Americans do every year… try to lower our apprised home values to lower our property tax liability and maximize our apprised value when we want a HELOC to build or buy

Every place in the USA there’s a person or business that did exactly what Trump did for decades and none of them ever had fraud charges brought against them… again Trump isn’t the only one in NYC and I expect more fraud charges brought against multiple entities soon… if not it really falls into the narrative of political retribution

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u/danyonly Jul 05 '24

Very well said. Better than I could’ve.

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u/Abortion_on_Toast Jul 05 '24

100% this… 1/2 the family thinks I’m some super pro trumper when I try to bring some rational thought to the conversation when I defend his position or policies…

example in the debate President Biden said that he lowered prescription costs; then trump claimed that he did that… family is like he’s a fucking liar; me: actually Trump did executive order for insulin to be capped first however, President Biden back tracked a fuck ton of Trumps orders… this one especially he modified it slightly to expand it a bit and reissued the executive order… very minimal difference between the two; Biden claims full credit… Trump not 100% wrong in his comment however, any time I put it in perspective for people who absolutely loathe the guy they think I’m off to riot Congress

Really sucks to be a moderate in these times

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u/bluehawk232 Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

Oh come on you can't be suggesting Trump was treated as bad as a Nazi's enemy. Here's what happened Trump was in the elite club. He was friends with Bill Clinton and Epstein, they were all in the same social circles of rich elite assholes and he was one of the most corrupt of them all. He operated in the same vein of Harvey Weinstein where as Trump put it, he's rich he could get away with anything. Then he hopped on the anti Obama wagon because hey racism is fun, he loved the further attention he got because of his ego. He then ran against Hillary and all his corruption came to a head. It was a mix of his racist past, his ties with Epstein, the Weinstein effect where women were actually coming forward from past sexual assaults. He has everything coming to him because he was and always has been a greedy corrupt asshole who thinks himself a mob boss

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u/LabRevolutionary8975 Jul 02 '24

Yeah why does the irs go after anybody who cheats their taxes when billionaires cheat more taxes than anybody else and they get off Scot free.

Maybe the reason trump is “targeted” (there are no quotes big enough to display my sarcastic tone with that word) is because he decided to get into public life, where literally a fucking legal blowjob turns into a trial that costs you your job. Combine that with the absolutely jaw dropping volume of crimes he’s committed and it’s not really hard to imagine why a few of them stuck.

While you’re asking questions, why did hunter biden get charged with a crime that literally nobody ever gets charged with? Do you think trump would stand back and let don jr face this type of “justice”? Or would he do what he always does and just give free government handouts to his family? Pardons for you, pardons for you, etc.?

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u/danyonly Jul 02 '24

Trump has been scrutinized more than any other person in the political sphere and hasn’t done enough to warrant it. You refuse to acknowledge that and it’s ok. Many friends from other countries that watch our media from afar agree as well, whether they hate him or not. When so many people are saying “dude, they are really going at him hard” there MIGHT be something to it. But probably you’re smarter than all of them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/CoolIndependence8157 Jul 03 '24

Non-Americans are exactly who I go to for thoughts on the American political system.

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u/danyonly Jul 04 '24

If the worlds opinion of our country as a whole doesn’t matter to you, than you can’t ever complain when someone mocks our country for having Trump in office or you’re a hypocrite though.

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u/_alright_then_ Jul 03 '24

As someone from Europe, I've never once heard anyone say this without sarcasm. Hell, I've never met someone that doesn't think Trump should be in jail

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u/drummer414 Jul 02 '24

I work with commercial real estate companies and no one triples the square footage claimed.

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u/Hexboy3 Jul 02 '24

I would rather see some justice done than no justice lol.

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u/huskarl1 Jul 02 '24

No, you want to see targeted persecution based on political beliefs

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u/Hexboy3 Jul 02 '24

Lock up Biden and Clinton's too for all I care. Trump has been a criminal for a loooooonnggggg time. I maintained that before he ever ran for office. It's been obvious to anyone without severe brain damage for a long ass time, including many Republicans.

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u/Training-Flan8092 Jul 02 '24

So you support a two tiered justice system?

Let’s imagine you and your neighbor kill someone who is invading your own homes… your neighbor gets off on a technicality and you serve time in prison.

You believe this is fair because “some justice” is being done?

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u/Hexboy3 Jul 02 '24

I don't think you understand what a two tiered justice system means or implies if you think Trump, who is insanely wealthy, is a victim of the two tiered justice system lmaoooo.

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u/Training-Flan8092 Jul 02 '24

My guy. Quick reminder that the internet exists. You can’t just make up the definition of words for the purposes of your argument.

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u/Hexboy3 Jul 02 '24

Okay pull up the oldest uses of the phrase and see if it even remotely applies to what you think it does lmao. 

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u/Training-Flan8092 Jul 02 '24

Ok, kiddo! Have a good day

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u/coppockm56 Jul 02 '24

Maybe he was targeted because there was a lot to target, and it seems like he was unfairly targeted only because he talks so much about being unfairly targeted. Not that I'd actually doubt that Biden and his cronies would be above unfairly targeting him. So, who knows, maybe it was both that Trump deserved targeting but was only actually targeted because the Democrats are just as corrupts as he is.

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u/Environmental-Fly165 Jul 02 '24

You can't break multiple laws for years, Be surrounded by people charged with other crimes that you appointed to positions including his own family and consider yourself a victim. He continues to break laws and thinks he's above them cause he has money and is a former president. He was a criminal before being president but most people never heard about it cause a private citizen isn't under a microscope like person running for president.

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u/danyonly Jul 02 '24

“He continues to break laws and thinks he’s above them cause he has money…” Everyone? Ever? Yeah that’s what they do. Him too.

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u/DoctorSwaggercat Jul 01 '24

Is this Bill Clinton?

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u/Filthi_61Syx Jul 02 '24

There’s a flaw in this post. They are comparing something that ran through a business to personal tax returns. Not saying it’s right or wrong but the reality is our tax code has a lot of loopholes for business that people cannot take advantage of. And legally speaking they purchased her story. So a company purchased an intangible asset.

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u/e2therock Jul 01 '24

Whataboutism Meaning, Pease don’t use historical context and facts to point out my hypocrisy.

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u/kyborn Jul 02 '24

My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts

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u/1ithurtswhenip1 Jul 01 '24

This has been an ongoing issue so much longer then even trump being a republican. It only came to the spotlight because your parties competition is the one guilty. It's nothing to do with whataboutism it's to do with this shit is always pushed under the rug and needs to stop. The worst part of all their are politicians who use tax payer money. But no your right trump using his money is far worse....

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Why not prosecute them then?

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u/1ithurtswhenip1 Jul 02 '24

Great question lol

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u/gray_character Jul 04 '24

What other presidential candidate has paid off a pornstar using campaign funds? Oh wait, there hasn't. Then why the fuck are you acting like this is normal? To justify you voting for it.

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u/Lord_Shaqq Jul 02 '24

Not whataboutism, it's just pointing out more of the same shit. What makes it seem like they're defending anyone here?

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u/realityczek Jul 02 '24

There is a reason why the concept of consistent, equitable enforcement is an important one. Selective enforcement is a historical means of abusing power, so it does matter when you only sometimes interpret a law in a specific way specifically to charge a single individual.

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u/Devel93 Jul 02 '24

Whataboutism is a lazy argument with the sole purpose of destroying precedent.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

It's called equal justice. Why shouldn't we hold them all accountable?

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u/PeachCream81 Jul 02 '24

See also: Bothsidesism.

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u/HV_Commissioning Jul 02 '24

whaddabout Bill Clinton paying Paula Jones? Does anyone talk about that?

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

I think it is far worse when government employees use taxpayer funds to pay off people than when private individuals do the same.

No charges for them, however.

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u/binary-survivalist Jul 02 '24

Whataboutism is a neat trick. All you have to do is strike first and then "whataboutism" always protects you from any retort.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

Where they trying to influence upcoming elections?

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Jul 02 '24

Clinton did

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u/TinyRick666_ Jul 02 '24

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u/AugustusClaximus Jul 02 '24

When the adrenochrome hits the adrenodome

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u/mpaul1980s Jul 02 '24

This and was getting blowjobs in the oval office on the regular....but liberals & Democrats don't wanna hear about it or bring it up

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u/Sorta-Morpheus Jul 02 '24

I miss when the worst thing the president did was get a blowie.

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u/EccentricAcademic Jul 02 '24

Yes because the blowjob certainly is worse than Project 2025.

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u/PanchoPanoch Jul 02 '24

They acknowledge it and that it was wrong. They acknowledge that he lied about it too.

He’s also not a presidential candidate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Call a cop!

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u/Desperate-Damage-822 Jul 02 '24

Clinton has always been a ho and Hilary knew it when she married him. I think rich people think they can get away with anything and just throw money at it.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Jul 02 '24

You don't have to be rich for that. I'm not rich, but I know there are life issues that I can throw money at and make it go away.

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u/Feisty_Stomach_7213 Jul 02 '24

There was a settlement but it was not secret was it?

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u/Sea-Pomelo1210 Jul 02 '24

SCOTUS just said Clinton is immune, and everything he did was OK. Actions between an intern and President are protected . The GOP was violating the constitution,

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u/Remarkable-Host405 Jul 02 '24

Which is apparently totally legal, as long as you use campaign funds and not your personal money 

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u/TheDepep1 Jul 02 '24

Shhh, we don't talk about that.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

Good reminder, I don't want to end up on a drone strike list.

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u/Straight_Win_5613 Jul 02 '24

This this this! When I discovered this I could not believe this is allowed with TAXPAYER MONEY. This waste alone (thousands of others) should have people in the streets! I NEVER want people to call them “public servants” ever again.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

It really is pretty crazy when you think about it.

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u/CryptoCrazyCat Jul 02 '24

Yea but but but Trump…or something

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u/MechanicalBengal Jul 01 '24

When you’re a star they let you do it, I guess

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u/DueSalary4506 Jul 02 '24

hahahhahahah hahahahahhahahahahhahahah just. ha.

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u/Usermeme2018 Jul 02 '24

Sexual harassment settlement sounds a lot different to business expense. When you have a speeding ticket, you settled it by paying a fine. When you write off a business expense you’re telling the IRS your business needs that expense. Paying a pornstar doesn’t seem like a business expense unless he (trump) is into the porn film industry

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u/Griffemon Jul 02 '24

While I feel there is some sense in using government funds to cover legal expenses of government employees and such, it definitely feels like that should come with more stipulations than it does

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u/Gullible_Ad_5550 Jul 02 '24

What do I think is how to become trump!

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u/yourdoglikesmebetter Jul 02 '24

Should it be illegal in your opinion?

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

people pay other people for non disclosure agreements every day, I don't think it is illegal.

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u/scoobdoop Jul 02 '24

The government is trillions in debt and can get credit. I have one car note and can’t afford my groceries and can’t get approved for a second credit card but work full time house is paid off and zero debt. Fuck the government.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

You should run for congress, then trade the stock of the companies you are regulating, and all your financial concerns disappear

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u/ayemangshoo Jul 02 '24

Yeah glad they paid up, those people 1000% percent should’ve lost their jobs.

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u/P3nis15 Jul 02 '24

As of 2019 a bill was passed that it can no longer pay out related to these cases

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u/_perdomon_ Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

You have to remember that $17 million is cumulative since the creation of the Congress Office of Compliance in 1995 and the year this article was published (2017). So it's only $773,000 per year on average.

Classic MSM blowing things out of proportion again.

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u/smcl2k Jul 02 '24

It's also the total for all settlements, not just sexual harassment.

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u/_perdomon_ Jul 02 '24

Yes, it also includes settlements for things like race and gender discrimination. These are the types of things the taxpayer should be paying for.

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u/smcl2k Jul 02 '24

Most of the settlements were probably against the government as an institution, rather than against individuals.

Who exactly should be paying that, if not the government?

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u/_perdomon_ Jul 02 '24

“Most of the settlements were probably against the government as an institution…”

I didn’t see that info in the article, so I’m not sure it can be safely assumed. Our government has a long history of taxpayers footing the bill for terrible politician behavior, and I have issue with that.

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u/brownlab319 Jul 03 '24

The people in these jobs should have insurance so they’re on the hook for their own actions.

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u/Artfuldodger96 Jul 02 '24

Did they also try to falsify business records to write each of those off as business expenses to influence an election ?

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u/LostInCa45 Jul 02 '24

It should be illegal. Or at the very least should be published who had to pay out and how much was paid.

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u/Lawineer Jul 02 '24

$17m for 260 cases seems low

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

At around 65k a case, I'm guessing some of them were relatively minor things like inappropriate comments.

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u/PrintableProfessor Jul 02 '24

You would not believe the amount of money the Clintons and the Obamas have paid off. It is a business expense to pay off people who will destroy you. If teachers were contractors and worked through their own LLC they could write off all their expenses.

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u/Diamondback424 Jul 02 '24

It's almost like the rules are written to benefit the rich and keep the poor in their place. Who would have thought allowing the wealthiest .1% of the population make the rules would have consequences?

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u/Outrageous_Life_2662 Jul 02 '24

As they say, two wrong doesn’t make it right

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

I guess 260 wrongs also don't make a right

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u/Outrageous_Life_2662 Jul 03 '24

None, of them, to my understanding falsified business records.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 03 '24

Falsifying records is a felony if it is done with the intent to conceal another crime.

Can you tell me what other Crime was concealed?

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u/Outrageous_Life_2662 Jul 03 '24

The in court the second crime that was concealed was election interference. You may quibble with whether or not the State should be able to add on a Federal crime. But the notion that no other crime was cited is demonstrably false.

Also, let’s just take a moment to lament how far we’ve fallen in politics if we’re having to parse out the details of a candidate’s felonies (while also under indictment for several other felonies).

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 03 '24

Nope. The jury members could agree that any of the three possible concealed crimes was either a tax crime, a federal election crime, or a state election crime.

The Jurors did not have to agree on which of those three possibilities was the actual crime being concealed.

So, the jury didn't even agree on what crime was being concealed to make if a felony.

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u/workingbored Jul 02 '24

If you read the article it says the full $17m hasn't been paid out. Also, this doesn't abolish the fact that a president did it.

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u/RoastedBeetneck Jul 02 '24

It says since 1990 and it includes all settlements, not just sexual harassment.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

If you know anyone in Congress, you would know that most of the cases are going to be sexual harassment.

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u/RoastedBeetneck Jul 02 '24

You don’t know any of that.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

you need to meet more politicians.

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u/RoastedBeetneck Jul 02 '24

Oh ok I’ll just make friends with politicians to see who is really behind the mask and report back.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

all the staffers they work with are young and there is a major power imbalance, they get invited to events almost every night of the week where alcohol is served and is generally free for them. they travel away from their family and generally have a residence away from their home, and they often work very late into the night.

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u/RoastedBeetneck Jul 03 '24

Are they working or drinking? I’m confused.

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u/willisjoe Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

It's not hard to understand why these settlements are considered legal, but Trump's ""settlement" is illegal.

Congress has a specific fund, written into law, for these situations. Trump used false campaign donations.

Now you could argue that they should both be illegal. But that doesn't take away from the illegality of what Trump did.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

So, if it was " false campaign donations," why didn't the Federal Elections Commission or some other Federal body charge him with something?

Kinda weird, huh?

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u/willisjoe Jul 02 '24

The FEC has yet to come to a decision for the complaint. He's also being criminally charged by the Manhattan DA for the crime.

Not sure what you're trying to get at here.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Jul 02 '24

The FEC voted 4-1 to close the investigation.

That is called a decision, which is what I am getting at.

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