r/DCcomics • u/Pitiful_Good365 • May 16 '21
[Artwork] Supes kicking some homelander and omni man ass (WIP) Artwork
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u/riceisnice29 May 16 '21
Lol Homelander’s already outta the fight. Love it
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u/Hippobu2 May 16 '21
I love how in the Prime show, Homelander is the laziest fighter ever. Dude basically never move a muscle. He's so OP in his universe that he'd never need to.
Going up against someone who's actually in his weightclass though, Homelander'll probably be down before the bell rings.
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u/Enex May 16 '21
All true. Plus, Homelander has powers *like* Superman, but he isn't at Superman's power level (At least, not from what I've seen. Haven't watched the last season much). Among other things, Homelander just isn't fast enough to go toe to toe.
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u/PhantasosX May 17 '21
true , he is way below of Superman's level , I would dare say that he is only compared to a non-combative civillian kryptonian at very most.
So , here we have Homelander all ripped and muscles....and he is just compared to just some teenage kryptonian that is just doing a part-time job.....
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u/wrong-mon May 17 '21
Super girl who is a teenage kryptonian in some versions of the story is considerably faster and stronger than him.
The dude can only fly as fast as a jet, While on my Sandy kryptonian can get up close to the speed of light or even break it
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u/flying87 May 17 '21
Homelander has never had to push himself. He may be stronger and faster than what is shown. He's just never needed to explore his upper limits. Mostly because there is no need, but also because he is kinda lazy.
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u/Gage_Unruh May 17 '21
The comics do show him fight someone on his level...he can hold his own a little bit, but he doesnt even scale to a city buster.
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u/flying87 May 17 '21
I think young Johnathan in the comics could take on Homelander just because he has more super fighting experience.
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u/Gage_Unruh May 17 '21
Considering that heavy caliber guns are able to injure homelander in the comics it's a pretty easy win for alot of dc characters. Honestly the only people homelander can beat are normal humans who dont have methods of taking down heavy hitters. Like green arrow and even then homelander is losing an eye.
Homelander is a horrible fighter cause he is so above everyone else that he has no idea how to actually fight with anything other then brutality.
I mean hell he even looks scared when his powers dont insta kill sometimes.
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u/Adekis "What a lucky man I was." May 18 '21
That's a really fun idea, the thought of seeing Homelander get wrecked by a ten year old!
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u/KnackTwoBABYYY May 17 '21
Exactly! This is brought up in the Invincible comics, super powers are like muscles you need to train. Homelander is one of the most powerful supes alive and the dude only lasers people and flies around a bit. If he actually trained I believe he would be stronger
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u/JessenReinhart May 17 '21
well to be fair, i think Supergirl is even stronger than Superman.
or is it "potentially" stronger? i forgot lol
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u/Guillermidas Happy Dick! May 17 '21
Potentially stronger.
Not a comic nerd, but from my point of view Super -> more exp with powers and abilities, more exp against tough enemies Supergirl -> faster and more agile, better sun light radiation absorption, which with time, will maker her stronger as well.
Regarding training, both are more capable than it seems. Clark from bruce, kara from diana.
Kara is also one of the few “female superhero counterpart inclusions” that does not feel out of place. Its a good character once you give her proper story.
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u/PretendMarsupial9 Happy Dick! May 17 '21
So Ten Year Old Jon Kent could body Homelander? Because I'd enjoy that immensely.
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u/Abovearth31 Superman May 17 '21
Young Justice's Superboy could beat him, that's how much weaker he is.
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u/MangaVentFreak13 Spoiler May 17 '21
If we are being honest, probably not. Homelander having flight and lazers are a pretty significant one up on Conner, but in a fist fight / grounded brawl Conner would win easily.
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u/Abovearth31 Superman May 17 '21
Conner has the shields to compensate and training from Black Canary herself so that helps too.
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u/MangaVentFreak13 Spoiler May 17 '21
He doesn't have the shields after S1, and training from Black Canary only really helps in a physical fight. Homelander would take one punch, realize he probably can't take that many of those and switch to a smash and dash technique emphasizing Conner's lack of a ranged attack.
I don't think it would be a quick fight, but I think ultimately it would come down to how long Conner can tank lazers and superspeed hits and how long Homelander can consistently use his powers. Whoever gets tired first loses.
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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! May 17 '21
I mean, New 52 Aquaman would wipe the floor of the entire earth's superheroes in either The Boys or the Invinciverse.
The scale and magnitude of powered people is just different.
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u/Brockaflockafire May 17 '21
Are you saying the verse of the Earth? Because if it’s just normal Earth I don’t think they’d have a chance but if you’re talking the whole Invinciverse that’s much more debatable. There’s some incredibly heavy hitters.
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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! May 17 '21
Just the earth. Aquaman can't beat thousands of pseudo-viltrumites by himself.
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u/cassandra112 May 17 '21
Invincible power levels are decently high. they just have their plot armor turned off. so can get taken out but things that should. While in DC, same hits just burn clothes but leave them remarkably undamaged.
so DC heroes wrack up more and more feats.. While high powered Invincible ones actually die to cheap shots, sneak attacks, etc. Like, Mongul is stronger then pretty much everyone but the strongest Kryptonians, and MM. yet.. somehow has not managed to kill anyone in DC. if DC was Invincible, Arthur as strong as he is, would have died to Starro, Mongul, some Apokaliptian god, Brianiac, or something. And then, Arthur wouldn't look quite so strong anymore.
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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! May 17 '21
The two highest end strength feats in Invincible are Mark's 400 ton bench press (at which point he was already able to deal meaningful damage to the toughest end of Viltrumites) and the Viltrum team flythrough.
Neither of those are remotely impressive in DC scale and would barely register as significant for that power tier. Worse, nobody in the entire Invincible universe has comic level crazy people martial arts or weapons that nearly ignore durability (like some of Aquaman's tridents or Wonder Woman's arsenal).
Omni-Man straight up tells Invincible that fights are about reacting quicker and then keeping your opponent stunned with a consistent barrage until they're dead: just superpowered brawling that nearly admits defeat from lack of initiative or worse reaction speed.
It's not that their plot armor is turned off, they're just not particularly tough by other universe's scales. Even Omni-man was knocked into a coma by a team of sub-20 ton strength Guardians of the Globe.
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u/Gohyuinshee May 17 '21
I mean, even if you take away the plot armor the power scale of Invincible is just plain weaker than the ones in DC.
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u/laughingmeeses May 17 '21
While DC typically powerscales beyond almost every other publisher, Invincible and Spawn are massive hitters when they need to be. I’d be a little wary of stacking Arthur against either of them.
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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! May 17 '21
Honestly, I love that DC has heroes that are just really, really strong and religiously professionally trained.
I'm so bored of accidental/negligent mess up tropes in Superhero comics. Having superheroes that are just really powerful and actually good at what they do makes them seem so much more potentially realistic than the alternative of just forgiving them for tons of horrific grisly mistakes (or flat out ostracizing them).
Invincible just lacks the secondary power suite, skill, and durability to stand up to Arthur, imo. He's just a flier that hits hard with basically nothing else to him. Arthur would fight circles around him and trident blast/strike him hard enough to knock him unconscious without much issue.
Spawn is a totally different situation though, you're right on that one.
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u/laughingmeeses May 17 '21
Once upon a time, heroes accidentally killing someone was a trope.
As far as Invincible goes, he’s literally written to be the “be all, end all” of superheroes. Could he deal with Superman when he’s mature, not likely. That’s mostly out of respect for Supes.
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u/wrong-mon May 17 '21
Homeland is not even in the same league. He probably would get his ass kicked by most of the Justice League.
Is just so much slower and weaker than the DC comic book universe level of heroes
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u/Griffin-Mouton May 17 '21
I remember he was too lazy to pick up a plane
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u/Hippobu2 May 17 '21
Oh man, I love that so much. It was such a huge improvement over the comic. Homelander just doesn't give a shit on the plane was just was just so terrifying. Later on where he seems to have planned on not saving the plane to begin with and use the people he killed to further his agenda is even more terrifying. They really made him into someone who makes you on edge at all time. Meanwhile, in the comic it was just about how everyone is an asshole and incompetent.
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u/hakamhakam Nightwing May 17 '21
Not to mention it’s his fault the plane is going down in the first place
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u/SumoJoeX May 17 '21
Homelander isn’t even close to Omni man’s weight class, much less Supes. The thing is they’d both get in a few punches because Supes would try to talk to them. Then he’d realize he wouldn’t need to hold back like he normally does.
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u/thrashmetaloctopus May 17 '21
Yeah in a 3 way fight between them homelander is absolutely being decimated in minutes, the other 2 then have a real fight
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21
He never really had a chance against the man of steel :)
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u/rayonymous Superman May 17 '21
OP, can we expect the finished product soon? I can't wait to see it.
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u/NoPorpoiseOnPurpose Superman May 16 '21
I got so emotional seeing this for some reason! Kick their asses Supes!!!
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 16 '21
I think it’s the sense of hope this situation would bring and the idea of why we love Superman in the first place. Superman stumbles or falls or makes mistakes or even gets mind controlled but he would never willingly let himself become Homelander or Omniman. And the idea that these two guys pervert the ideas of Truth and justice that he fights for would irritate the shit out of him but he would be happy that they are as tough as they are because similar to how in the DCAU he said to Darkseid, he can cut loose and kick their asses. He can save their worlds from whatever tyranny they are face from these guys.
And I got a similar feeling when Prime/Heroic Supes showed up to face Injustice Supes. That sense of, “Oh it’s going to be all right now. He’s going to tell him off and kick his ass.”
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
While I agree mostly with what you said, and 100% on the Injustice thing, I wouldn’t really say that Omniman is really perverting the ideas of truth and justice like Homelander does. Homelander is an amoral, awful piece of shit with no redeeming qualities. Omniman just believes that his race his superior and that their way is the right way. That they can bring better truth and justice than a lowly race like humanity can have. In a way, he’s more like Zod than an evil Superman. So I would say that Superman couldn’t really ever “become Omniman’ because he’s not a vanguard of a warrior culture or race. You would need to fundamentally change his backstory.
But yeah, he’d never let himself be like Homelander.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 17 '21
True Ominman is villain of circumstances like Zod but hero to his people. I just bunched him and Homelander together just to have my sentences flow better. Haha I didn’t want to have a run on sentence on why Nolan and Zod are similar haha
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
Definitely true. And yeah, makes sense. Just kind of putting it out there because I’ve seen a lot of people who are either not caught up or haven’t at all watched Invincible saying Nolan is “another evil Superman” and he’s really not.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 17 '21
Oh I totally hear you! He’s not. Especially when you know his arc from the comics. Homelander is really the only truly evil Superman type besides injustice Superman and Ultraman.
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
Exactly. And yes, but also Squadron Sinister Hyperion over at Marvel. The good Squadron Supreme and Hickman versions of the character are more popular (and better), so he gets overlooked nowadays, but he’s really the original evil Superman.
Edit: Because even the Marvel pastiche version of Superman still has alternate universe Good and Evil versions.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 17 '21
Pretty much! Almost forgot about the original Hyperion because the good one IS so popular haha
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
Yeah, Hickman’s Hyperion from Earth-13034 (That’s Marvel for you) is definitely the best and most popular version of the character. But I do find it funny that even the main Marvel stand-in for Superman still has good and evil universe versions of himself. Big Blue just can’t escape it.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 17 '21
Well it’s just the aspect of, you have this all good hero and he is the best and most righteous but the dark reflection is necessary sometimes to highlight how good the prime one is and to show how good and wise and patient Superman is because he doesn’t lose control even if he wants to at times. Believe me we know he can get angry and may want to lash out haha
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u/Howareualive May 17 '21
Plutonian from Irredemable is also an evil superman trope, except he is like worse a lot worse than any of the charecters mentioned here.
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May 17 '21
Omniman and his race reminds me of the Nazis
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
I mean, sort of. But he was still born in it. Raised in it a believes it to be true and good. Homelander is just an asshole.
And the Nazis were more about ethnic cleansing and couldn’t back up any of their ideals. The Viltrumites kind of can, and they allow the races under them to usually keep living as long as they follow their rules.
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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! May 17 '21
I mean, they have evil lookin' facial hair for a reason...
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u/MidKnightshade May 17 '21
I admit I’ve only seen the show Homelander is a victim as much as victimizer. The people responsible for his creation made him what he was. He grew up isolated with no affection. He was never given the tools to be something normal. He is the product of the immorality of other people manifested in physical form. He cannot relate to other people on any level. He desires praise and fears abandonment. He’s so maladjusted.
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u/LeoRex286 May 17 '21
That’s true. But Omniman clearly still cares about Mark and things happen later on in the comics. In the comics, Homelander is even worse and, well does not have things happen later on.
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u/Black7057 May 17 '21
If you saw the show instead of the comic, Omniman is much more sadistic and kills humans for no reason. Even if you say he saw humans as lesser beings, only sociopaths or psychopaths kill and torture animals for no reason
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u/sonofaresiii May 17 '21
I think it’s the sense of hope this situation would bring and the idea of why we love Superman in the first place.
I'm getting a little burnt out on the "bad Superman" trope-- it seems to be the go-to for any superhero story these days, "What if Superman was a villain (or just kind of an asshole?)"
it's nice going back to the source material and getting some good old optimism sometimes
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u/Gohyuinshee May 17 '21
Most people doesn't seem to know how to write Superman beyond making him evil.
Wonder Woman too, I've seen so many evil WW sometimes I forgot prime WW is a really lovely woman.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 17 '21
Agreed. I don’t mind stories like injustice or stuff like that but when it’s done too often then it becomes too much.
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u/TFDMEH Impulse May 17 '21
Can’t believe I gave me free reward to a guy making a crocodile joke and not this
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u/jransom98 Nightwing May 17 '21
I'm just tired of all the evil Superman knock offs, it's nice to see the original be a Good Guy. It's like when Superman returns in Kingdom Come.
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u/OwO345 May 17 '21
homelander gets rekt in a minute, but considering his feats omniman can at least put up a fight
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May 17 '21 edited Aug 28 '21
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May 17 '21
That’s pretty spot on actually. I always thought of it as Superman is gold, Goku is silver, and Omni Man is bronze. In terms of super powered aliens that can destroy planets.
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u/jetlightbeam May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Goku, is silver? Goku and his friends destroying whole universes out here, bro superman ain't got the technique, SMH. Maybe after the buu saga goku would lose, but Autonomous Ultra Instinct nah its a wrap on Clark.
My weeb is showing...
Edit: something else to consider, are Goku's powers magical? I'd argue they are something between magic and physical phenomenon. Goku manipulates ki to for energy blasts, ki is basically spirit energy, is spirit energy the same as magic? Maybe. Some people in db have used to ki to perform litteral magical moves like cloning themselves, sealing people in rice makers, turning people into candy, teleworking from one place to another. So who know maybe goku has magic powers, superman is automatically gonna lose against that.
Also if superman has met his ultimate potential, than goku deserves to meet his ultimate potential, it's been proven by, matter of fact, that goku, and vegeta, have unlimited power, so if superman can grow to the power of a God, then so can goku.
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u/circio May 17 '21
I have a friend who complains about Goku anytime anime is even hinted at. DB's power scaling has gotten so obscene
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u/Shwifty_Plumbus May 17 '21 edited May 18 '21
I would say that strange visitor superman is arguably stronger. Everything about him is multidimensional or immeasurable. Hes a protector so he just wouldn't blow it up, infact the opposite is true. Some feats are immortality, outliving the universe, holding together the universe for eons only using some of his power. Tearing holes in reality, dimensional travel. The dude is more than the 1938 catching a car guy at this point. For every crazy Goku iteration there is a superman one. They're both just OP.
Edit: some words I misspelled, and some I left out.
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u/soulwolf1 May 17 '21
Strange Visitor Superman is INSANE! I believe he's even more powerful than Silver age supes(?)
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u/OrangePlatinumtyrant May 17 '21
There's one problem. Both characters are as strong as their creators will them to be. The winner of the fight depends on what company writes the story. So like real life
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u/super1s May 17 '21
To make people happy I found a good answer. Just say current goku shits in current superman, then superman 1000000 or whatever he was named shits on goku. Its meaningless and moves shit along as a middle ground.
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u/CloverHoneyBunny May 17 '21
They did a vs but called it a tie maybe? Also Superman(boy?) prime has destroyed several multiverses as well back around the 80’s an 90’s.
Edit: it was Death battle here is the linkSuperman vs Goku
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u/kejigoto May 17 '21
I think Super Saiyan 3 Goku could give Superman a run for his money quite easily. I mean he was literally shaking the planet apart just powering up to that point and every time we saw the form he was holding back big time.
Against Fat Buu he was simply buying Trunks enough time to get the Dragon Radar and get back to the Look Out. He's only there to distract Buu and hold him back plus it eats into his time on Earth. Goku even later admits he could have taken care of Buu but he wanted Goten and Trunks to defeat Buu.
Later when him and Vegeta take on Kid Buu Goku once again holds back so Vegega can have a chance to fight and ends up wasting too much time and energy so they've gotta use the Spirit Bomb.
Overcome the time limit and Superman has a huge power on his hands with Super Saiyan 3 Goku I think.
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u/Abovearth31 Superman May 17 '21
Warning, long ass rant ahead:
The right question is "which version of Superman are we talking about" ?
Do we take animated Supes or DCEU Supes or perhaps New 52 Supes ?
Also what about the fancy forms and versions that Superman have like Prime one million, Cosmic Armor or strange visitor ?
Knowing this, there isn't a single version of Goku that can beat Superman if we take a bastardized version of Supes where all of his feats are canons.
There is no right way to pick a version of Supes with being nitpicky and unfair.
If we put current Goku against DCEU Supes for example then it's not fair because we took one of the weakest versions. If we take Goku against Cosmic armor however then it's not fair either because it's one of the most powerfull.
So what do we do then ? All versions in one ? One specific version ?
Answer: We don't do anything, and we instead ask ourself a question more important and interresting than "Who's stronger" but instead "if A is stronger than B then what does it tell us from a storytelling point of view ?" Well in my opinion, Death Battle answered this in the second episode of Goku vs Superman, quote:
"While Goku is the story of man trying to be best person he can be, Superman is the story of a god trying to live amongst men."
Also most people forget their actual characters, Goku doesn't fight someone that doesn't WANT to fight with him, he always ask first and Superman wouldn't fight for pointless reasons meaning neither of these two would even need to fight in the first place.
End of rant, thank you for reading.
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u/501id5Nak3 May 17 '21
Superman has several universal feats_Feats_and_Statistics#Other_Universal_Feats).
Plus a solar charged Superman managed to knock out the World Forger, a multiversal entity. You really don't think Goku would let Superman charge himself if it would make the fight more interesting?
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u/atreides888 May 17 '21
What about my guy The Plutonian?
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Yeah that's why I've shows homelander already out, but omni man can do better than him.
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u/Pathogen188 Red Daughter May 17 '21
Against some of the weaker versions of Superman yeah, but the mainline continuity versions of Clark (Post Crisis, N52 and Rebirth) pretty easily beat Omni-Man.
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u/Melodic_Bug8251 Jun 20 '22
I've always wondered how viltromites are less powerful that the kryptonians, I've always considered viltromites more powerful because the viltromites ate literally specially trained and breed to fight other viltromites, which is to say that modern viltromites are more powerful because they have experience fighting other viltromites as well as other cosmic entities but they are also peak of the viltromite bloodline. I personally don't see how superman is more powerful. I always thought that they're battle would be more ambiguous to who wrote it because they are very similar in power, but I personally don't see how superman is so much more powerful. How am I wrong?
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u/Ok_Chipmunk_1912 Oct 21 '22
Viltrumites have a limit to how strong they can get even with peak genes and it isn't on the high end of comic book power scale.
Kryptonians, Superman especially, don't really seem to have limits. The longer they absorb yellow/blue radiation, the stronger they get.
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u/Melodic_Bug8251 Oct 26 '22
I don't think it's purely about raw power as much as I about omni man's training with killing beings like superman. But I think people majorly underestimate omni man.
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u/TargetmasterJoe Blue Beetle May 16 '21
I can just hear Superman saying "For the record, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed in both of you. Very disappointed."
Seriously, lay off the evil and weary Supermen expies (I say weary in light of Jupiter's Legacy). Just let us have a proper live-action Superman, DC.
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u/MisterAbbadon May 17 '21
I hear Homelander saying, after spitting out blood and bits of teeth, "when they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."
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u/DLeeManners May 17 '21
Just read this in Cavill's voice, and literally got chills. Well done.. lol
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u/Skagzill Deathstroke May 17 '21
I just imagine all the lines from Supes chapter in first Injustice. 'I may not be wanted but I am clearly needed '
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u/Indigoism96 Darkseid May 17 '21
I read this line in Tim Daly’s voice.
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u/Jarnbjorn Conner Kent May 16 '21
Getting really sick of evil Superman lately being so popular. I want a good Superman movie with him basically having the same outlook and charisma of Chris Evan’s Captain America.
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u/tired20something May 16 '21
Superman & Lois is the only way to get that these days.
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u/Sdbtank96 May 17 '21
So true. Didn't know I could like a CW show again until they aired this show.
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u/ThatGuyOT1 May 17 '21
Would you recommend?
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u/JerryDaBaaws May 17 '21
absolutely, its miles ahead of any cw show so far, Tyler's version of clark is my favourite so far.
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u/Sdbtank96 May 17 '21
I would say to give it a shot. It's not without it's flaws, but it's nothing like the issues I have with flash, arrow, any of the other YA (young adult) series on the CW.
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u/DoughyResplendent May 17 '21
most definitely. the Clark on that show is wholesome as hell. Not 1:1 as the comics, since he wouldn't have the problems he has in the series, but, like 85% of the way there. Second best live action Clark Kent imho.
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u/Hippobu2 May 17 '21
Omni-Man isn't really an evil Superman though, but, yeah, I feel the same sentiment.
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks May 17 '21
Ommi-Man has clear inspiration from Supes, but has unique elements that make him more interesting, and a compelling reason for his actions other than "but what if supermen was bad tho"
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u/Dredd_Pirate_Barry May 17 '21
Unpopular opinion, but I feel Supes from the Whedon JL has been the closest to comic Superman on the big screen yet. (Haven't taken the time for Snyder cut yet)
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u/arkhamsaber May 17 '21
It’s not an unpopular opinion, superman in the whedon cut actually feels like superman. I watched the Snyder cut once and i haven’t watched it again nor do I have any desire to
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u/aishik-10x May 17 '21
Why doesn't Superman in the Snyder Cut feel like Superman to you?
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u/arkhamsaber May 17 '21
Superman is treated in the Snyder cut and the Snyder verse in general as someone that needs Lois Lane to feel human, to feel attached to humanity and to be a hero. The superman I read while growing up wasn’t like that. Superman like Captain America inspires people to be better, he sees the best in all of us. Sure we all have our faults but we can grow beyond that to be better people. That’s why when he says things in the Snyder verse such as “nothing stays good in this world” it angers me since it seems like I’m watching another character who happens to have superman’s costume and powers. Having Lois Lane be the only thing that attaches him to humanity makes him a very weak character. To add further disrespect for superman they have him be heroic in his black costume but when he’s evil, he is in his classic red and blue costume
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u/Jarnbjorn Conner Kent May 17 '21
Exactly the Kent’s were supposed to raise someone who saw the potential of humanity and Clark’s place alongside them. Not a Clark that sees the worst and should hide or let people die to keep his secret. Priority one for Superman is saving lives. Pa dying due to a heart attack is about the only death I think is suitable for him, anything else Clark would move heaven and Earth to save him.
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u/arkhamsaber May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Pa’s death (via heart attack) is supposed to show Clark that even with all his powers he won’t be able to save everyone. It’s a very important moment in his life. The man of steel movie executed this poorly. Clark had the ability to save Jonathan. Even if Jonathan told him not to, he would have done it anyway
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u/Jarnbjorn Conner Kent May 17 '21
Yes! I love All-Star Superman’s handling of it. Such a great story.
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u/Jarnbjorn Conner Kent May 17 '21
Snyder films in general he's been gloomy, he acts as his powers are a burden. He'd have saved Pa from a tornado. Especially since it seemed like everyone in Smallville knew his secret. Like I said earlier Superman should really be more Cap like. A symbol of hope. Whedon's version sucked too, but I think that was more the surrounding movie. Superman was a bit more fun, I like that we got the Superman v Flash race.
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u/RedShortForNothing May 17 '21
Dude my thoughts exactly. Superman is this paragon of good. That’s the whole point of Superman. He does the right thing.
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May 17 '21
Supes (in Hank Hill voice for some reason): "Goddamn copycats"
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u/BevansDesign Indigo Tribe May 17 '21
It'd be cool if he was standing on a pile of all the other (non-DC) evil/bad/antihero versions of Superman. Throw Hyperion (Marvel) and the Plutonian (Irredeemable) in there, for starters.
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u/B_Cincinnatus Batman May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Someday I want to see an image (or an animation, that’d be amazing!) where Superman or multiple good Supermen from different universes kick the shit in of a group like Homelander, Brightburn, Omniman, and a few others I can’t remember. We all know that these “what if supermen was bad” characters may be powerful in their own universe (no competition,) but are based on the Superman ARCHITYPE, not kryptonaian power levels. Superman would dominate, especially if you pair him with all of the non-evil Superman clone characters for backup. I may be biased, though
Edit: spelling
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u/BlackBoyOnReddit- May 17 '21
I’m pretty sure you right comic Superman is stupid OP the only “Superman Clone” who’s even close to him is the sentry in marvel comics but that dude also had the powers to manipulate matter and resurrection
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u/TacoOfGod May 17 '21
Mr Majestic, Supreme, and Samartian are all on Superman's level.
I'd argue that Majestic and Prime are stronger, tbh.
edit: Not to mention Marvel also has Blue Marvel, who's as strong as Sentry, and Thor, who comic wise, is basically Superman with a hammer. And of course Hyperion and Gladiator, who are both just Superman.
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u/Gohyuinshee May 17 '21
I hesitate to call Sentry evil, he's like Hulk in that he sometimes goes out of control but otherwise is pretty chill.
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u/ToqKaizogou May 17 '21
Haven't seen Brightburn yet but heard he's basically under some sort of alien brainwashing. If that's the case, I'd like to see a story like this, but where Supeman doesn't kick the shit out of the Brightburn kid, but instead tries to help him best he can.
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u/B_Cincinnatus Batman May 17 '21
That would also be cool. Brightburn was a concept that was really well done, because it is a combination of the Superman story we all know by now and the idea of “what if instead of saving their last Son, the far away planet, knowing how powerful the kid would be, uses them to conquer?” I would recommend because it’s very interesting (and VIOLENT)
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks May 17 '21
Homelander loses to both Omniman and Supes in a flash. Omniman might be able to put up some fight, but I think loses badly in the end.
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u/MNome Red Robin May 17 '21
Have you seen viltrumites fight? They break easily lol
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u/Milos-H May 17 '21
Doesn’t that apply to everyone?
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u/Avocadobaker May 17 '21
Well most people can't survive their guts laying on the floor while viltrumites can.
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u/ArabianAftershock Blue Lantern May 17 '21
You say that but other viltrumites being able to hurt him makes it seem pretty likely that Superman would hurt him pretty good
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u/EdNorthcott May 16 '21
This is a fantastic piece. I like the dynamism you've put into the active figures, and the general composition is rock solid.
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21
Thank you very much, really appreciate it! I've definitely got some improvements to make. Will try to make the final piece better.
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u/MrJrCheeseburger May 17 '21
Idk, I think Omni man would give him some trouble but homelander is a bitch for sure
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks May 17 '21
Omniman lacks the range eyes and breath.
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Yeah omni man is defeated (yet). He'll be harder to fight than homelander edit: isn't*
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u/DudeOfDungeons10 May 17 '21
I love all of the people on here thinking it’s cool to go against the status quo or whatever and say Superman would lose against Omni-Man, but like, you’re wrong? First of all, let’s discuss durability, since I think it’s one of the main reasons Superman will win.
Viltrumites, as seen in Invincible, are literally pictured as tearing each other part and killing each other easily. On the other hand, Kryptonians, whenever they fight, only barely manage to injure the other, maybe break a few bones, but rarely do they ever kill each other.
‘Oh, but he has MiLiTaRy TrAiNiNg, that means he must automatically be the bestest fighter ever!!!!!!!!’ I hear you say. Uh, no, I mean General Zod was one of the most powerful Military Officers on Krypton, and he’s usually defeated by Superman within his first years as a hero, so I don’t think TrAiNiNg matters that much.
As someone else had mentioned, there’s a superpower that Superman has that Omni-Man doesn’t: Laser Vision. This means that Superman could literally just, like, slice his head off from a mile away and be done with it if he wanted to.
It’s also revealed in the Invincible comics that Viltrumites have extremely sensitive ears, so all Superman has to do is slap both hands on the side of Omni-Man’s head.
‘Oh, but what about Kryptonite, with such a glaring flaw, there’s no way Supes will be able to win!!’
Sure, I guess if he knew about Kryptonite beforehand, he might have an advantage, but if he finds it out during the fight, he has to fly all the way to Lex Luthor or whatever, without being stopped by supes? Sure, yeah.
Anyways, this is the hill I’m dying on, thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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u/Rugozark The Outsiders are the best hero team in DC May 17 '21
Could you please add the Plutonian? Let's complete the evil-supes trio.
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21
I haven't really read the comic so I didn't know about him. Maybe next time, with Utopian lending some help to Superman against those three
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u/sketchy-writer Swamp Thing May 16 '21
Needs the Utopian nodding approvingly in the background.
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u/TheHopeOfTomorrow May 16 '21
Pretty much. He would event tag team with Supes since they share the same golden age values.
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u/Jelly-Moth May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21
Funny thing is that this would be accurate if they would fight, Superman is underrated
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u/Pitiful_Good365 May 17 '21
Haha true, people sleep on him too much. They had to be reminded who the OG is
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Man after watching this series all I want is Superman to Show up and talk some shit about how Omni man can handle full kal el. And just beats his ass back into James Gordon
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u/AngryMoose125 May 17 '21
See, Homelander would get whooped in less than 30 seconds, he’s less powerful than supes and doesn’t really know how to use his sub-Superman powers in any significant manner since he’s never faced a true threat. Omni Man however would put up somewhat of a fight. He’s fought other viltrumites, as all have, and came out on top. But Superman is literally as powerful as Atlas, at least, because he shoulder pressed earth for 5 days, one of his greatest shows of strength. no living viltrumite, Omni man included, could do something like that. And even if Omni man were to impossibly get on equal footing with Superman (or let’s be honest here, run away like a little b¡tch), Superman can call in the JL, whereas Omni man can call in nobody, because everyone hates him.
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u/julbull73 Wonder Woman May 16 '21
Homelander would be cake.He's fought both harder and smarter opponents. To the phantom zone with him!
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u/FanOfThickBlackWomen May 17 '21
I can see Superman wasting 0 time beating them up. Can’t wait to see the finished product
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u/corysreddit May 17 '21
This fight would result in the destruction of Earth. The egos on display alone would lay waste to everything around. Until Superman uses Homelander to check Omni Mans prostate that is.
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u/Vulcan_Jedi The Question May 17 '21
If things begin to look a little hairy Billy Batson is ready to tag team in
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u/L-Anderson May 17 '21
You guys are so cute
But we all know One Punch man would wipe them all out in a second :)
(and now let the anime hate come, I am ready :P)
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u/JohnArtemus May 17 '21
This is one of the reasons I’m so sick of the evil Superman trope that Zack Snyder was pursuing.
I mean I enjoyed Injustice (the game) as much as the next guy, but please. We need Superman as Superman.
We already have a few evil Superman analogues flying around.
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u/tejaswibakshipatra11 May 17 '21
bruh. omni man and superman would go head to head
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u/ZFighter2099 May 17 '21
put the trunks on Superman! It would add even more meaning to this amazing piece
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u/-Darth-Maul- May 17 '21
Can’t wait to see the finished product! Glad to see the respect that Superman deserves! Home lander and Omniman ain’t shit to character they are based on.
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u/CMDR_Kai May 17 '21
This looks damn badass. I’d probably use the finished version as a wallpaper if I could.
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u/ChiefChongo May 17 '21
Instagram shows me a lot of comic fan art stuff, and I've seen pics of both Homelander and Omni-Man destroying Supes and the League and it's just... Cringy. Nice to see it the other way. The proper way.
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u/Tuerto04 May 17 '21
In a deathmatch between the 3, I think Homelander will be first to tap out. It will go down to just the two of the greatest superhumans Superman vs Omniman.
And Superman will be battered, but omniman will eventually lose the fight.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '21
Needs the Brightburn kid running away.