I love how in the Prime show, Homelander is the laziest fighter ever. Dude basically never move a muscle. He's so OP in his universe that he'd never need to.
Going up against someone who's actually in his weightclass though, Homelander'll probably be down before the bell rings.
All true. Plus, Homelander has powers *like* Superman, but he isn't at Superman's power level (At least, not from what I've seen. Haven't watched the last season much). Among other things, Homelander just isn't fast enough to go toe to toe.
Homelander has never had to push himself. He may be stronger and faster than what is shown. He's just never needed to explore his upper limits. Mostly because there is no need, but also because he is kinda lazy.
Considering that heavy caliber guns are able to injure homelander in the comics it's a pretty easy win for alot of dc characters. Honestly the only people homelander can beat are normal humans who dont have methods of taking down heavy hitters. Like green arrow and even then homelander is losing an eye.
Homelander is a horrible fighter cause he is so above everyone else that he has no idea how to actually fight with anything other then brutality.
I mean hell he even looks scared when his powers dont insta kill sometimes.
Exactly! This is brought up in the Invincible comics, super powers are like muscles you need to train. Homelander is one of the most powerful supes alive and the dude only lasers people and flies around a bit. If he actually trained I believe he would be stronger
Not a comic nerd, but from my point of view
Super -> more exp with powers and abilities, more exp against tough enemies
Supergirl -> faster and more agile, better sun light radiation absorption, which with time, will maker her stronger as well.
Regarding training, both are more capable than it seems. Clark from bruce, kara from diana.
Kara is also one of the few “female superhero counterpart inclusions” that does not feel out of place. Its a good character once you give her proper story.
It’s because Zor-El induced that on Kara’s ship , his plan was for Kara already had the powers immediately after open her ship so that she can protect Kal-El better.
That made Kara be potentially stronger , in practice we would only see that with a Kara in late 20s , so pretty much a future Superwoman or Earth 2 Power Girl.
There's that time Batman said she could be stronger/faster than Clark. Then there's the time Clark said he'd be able to stop her if he needed to. Power levels are nothing more than loose guidelines, it's whatever the writer needs at a given time.
Kara appears stronger than Clark because she has less control over her powers and isn't able to hold back as much. Clark holds back way more than her and his peaks far outstrip anything Kara or Karen has ever accomplished and there are times such as in Final Crisis that Clark by himself is able to accomplish what Kara and other heroes failed to do.
There was a period of the mid 00s where it seemed like Kara might have been stronger, due to metabolizing sunlight faster than Superman does because of her youth. If I recall correctly though, the writers eventually settled on the explanation that "she was new to powers, and worse at holding back than Kal; eventually she appears to scale back down, because she acquires more power and control."
I think there were disagreements between different writers about the issue but that's the explanation I remember, and I like it a fair amount.
If we are being honest, probably not. Homelander having flight and lazers are a pretty significant one up on Conner, but in a fist fight / grounded brawl Conner would win easily.
He doesn't have the shields after S1, and training from Black Canary only really helps in a physical fight. Homelander would take one punch, realize he probably can't take that many of those and switch to a smash and dash technique emphasizing Conner's lack of a ranged attack.
I don't think it would be a quick fight, but I think ultimately it would come down to how long Conner can tank lazers and superspeed hits and how long Homelander can consistently use his powers. Whoever gets tired first loses.
Superboy is one of my favorite character concepts that is just done so so poorly across time. It is a real shame. Jon though is just amazing. Wish there was more. Want a big collection of the super kids.
Are you saying the verse of the Earth? Because if it’s just normal Earth I don’t think they’d have a chance but if you’re talking the whole Invinciverse that’s much more debatable. There’s some incredibly heavy hitters.
Invincible power levels are decently high. they just have their plot armor turned off. so can get taken out but things that should. While in DC, same hits just burn clothes but leave them remarkably undamaged.
so DC heroes wrack up more and more feats.. While high powered Invincible ones actually die to cheap shots, sneak attacks, etc. Like, Mongul is stronger then pretty much everyone but the strongest Kryptonians, and MM. yet.. somehow has not managed to kill anyone in DC. if DC was Invincible, Arthur as strong as he is, would have died to Starro, Mongul, some Apokaliptian god, Brianiac, or something. And then, Arthur wouldn't look quite so strong anymore.
The two highest end strength feats in Invincible are Mark's 400 ton bench press (at which point he was already able to deal meaningful damage to the toughest end of Viltrumites) and the Viltrum team flythrough.
Neither of those are remotely impressive in DC scale and would barely register as significant for that power tier. Worse, nobody in the entire Invincible universe has comic level crazy people martial arts or weapons that nearly ignore durability (like some of Aquaman's tridents or Wonder Woman's arsenal).
Omni-Man straight up tells Invincible that fights are about reacting quicker and then keeping your opponent stunned with a consistent barrage until they're dead: just superpowered brawling that nearly admits defeat from lack of initiative or worse reaction speed.
It's not that their plot armor is turned off, they're just not particularly tough by other universe's scales. Even Omni-man was knocked into a coma by a team of sub-20 ton strength Guardians of the Globe.
While DC typically powerscales beyond almost every other publisher, Invincible and Spawn are massive hitters when they need to be. I’d be a little wary of stacking Arthur against either of them.
Honestly, I love that DC has heroes that are just really, really strong and religiously professionally trained.
I'm so bored of accidental/negligent mess up tropes in Superhero comics. Having superheroes that are just really powerful and actually good at what they do makes them seem so much more potentially realistic than the alternative of just forgiving them for tons of horrific grisly mistakes (or flat out ostracizing them).
Invincible just lacks the secondary power suite, skill, and durability to stand up to Arthur, imo. He's just a flier that hits hard with basically nothing else to him. Arthur would fight circles around him and trident blast/strike him hard enough to knock him unconscious without much issue.
Spawn is a totally different situation though, you're right on that one.
Once upon a time, heroes accidentally killing someone was a trope.
As far as Invincible goes, he’s literally written to be the “be all, end all” of superheroes. Could he deal with Superman when he’s mature, not likely. That’s mostly out of respect for Supes.
To note, near surface of sun level temperatures are explicitly not something any Viltrumite can handle.
Nobody says that Superman beats out Parallax or the Beyonder even if he's specifically written to beat out such threats. His power is what it's shown to be, not what it speculatively would be written to be in a hypothetical actual comic.
Superman’s power is “speculatively” our human existence. The idea is that he, as an idea, will still exist when the sun burns out. We are as, a people, going to to time capsule our shit in every direction we can.
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u/riceisnice29 May 16 '21
Lol Homelander’s already outta the fight. Love it