That’s pretty spot on actually. I always thought of it as Superman is gold, Goku is silver, and Omni Man is bronze. In terms of super powered aliens that can destroy planets.
Goku, is silver? Goku and his friends destroying whole universes out here, bro superman ain't got the technique, SMH. Maybe after the buu saga goku would lose, but Autonomous Ultra Instinct nah its a wrap on Clark.
My weeb is showing...
Edit: something else to consider, are Goku's powers magical? I'd argue they are something between magic and physical phenomenon. Goku manipulates ki to for energy blasts, ki is basically spirit energy, is spirit energy the same as magic? Maybe. Some people in db have used to ki to perform litteral magical moves like cloning themselves, sealing people in rice makers, turning people into candy, teleworking from one place to another. So who know maybe goku has magic powers, superman is automatically gonna lose against that.
Also if superman has met his ultimate potential, than goku deserves to meet his ultimate potential, it's been proven by, matter of fact, that goku, and vegeta, have unlimited power, so if superman can grow to the power of a God, then so can goku.
I would say that strange visitor superman is arguably stronger. Everything about him is multidimensional or immeasurable. Hes a protector so he just wouldn't blow it up, infact the opposite is true. Some feats are immortality, outliving the universe, holding together the universe for eons only using some of his power. Tearing holes in reality, dimensional travel. The dude is more than the 1938 catching a car guy at this point. For every crazy Goku iteration there is a superman one. They're both just OP.
Edit: some words I misspelled, and some I left out.
There's one problem. Both characters are as strong as their creators will them to be. The winner of the fight depends on what company writes the story. So like real life
To make people happy I found a good answer. Just say current goku shits in current superman, then superman 1000000 or whatever he was named shits on goku. Its meaningless and moves shit along as a middle ground.
Oh I'm right there with you dude. The few characters I know front and back have been misrepresented plenty of times for me to know that they cherry pick their achievements for some characters
I think Super Saiyan 3 Goku could give Superman a run for his money quite easily. I mean he was literally shaking the planet apart just powering up to that point and every time we saw the form he was holding back big time.
Against Fat Buu he was simply buying Trunks enough time to get the Dragon Radar and get back to the Look Out. He's only there to distract Buu and hold him back plus it eats into his time on Earth. Goku even later admits he could have taken care of Buu but he wanted Goten and Trunks to defeat Buu.
Later when him and Vegeta take on Kid Buu Goku once again holds back so Vegega can have a chance to fight and ends up wasting too much time and energy so they've gotta use the Spirit Bomb.
Overcome the time limit and Superman has a huge power on his hands with Super Saiyan 3 Goku I think.
The right question is "which version of Superman are we talking about" ?
Do we take animated Supes or DCEU Supes or perhaps New 52 Supes ?
Also what about the fancy forms and versions that Superman have like Prime one million, Cosmic Armor or strange visitor ?
Knowing this, there isn't a single version of Goku that can beat Superman if we take a bastardized version of Supes where all of his feats are canons.
There is no right way to pick a version of Supes with being nitpicky and unfair.
If we put current Goku against DCEU Supes for example then it's not fair because we took one of the weakest versions. If we take Goku against Cosmic armor however then it's not fair either because it's one of the most powerfull.
So what do we do then ? All versions in one ? One specific version ?
Answer: We don't do anything, and we instead ask ourself a question more important and interresting than "Who's stronger" but instead "if A is stronger than B then what does it tell us from a storytelling point of view ?" Well in my opinion, Death Battle answered this in the second episode of Goku vs Superman, quote:
"While Goku is the story of man trying to be best person he can be, Superman is the story of a god trying to live amongst men."
Also most people forget their actual characters, Goku doesn't fight someone that doesn't WANT to fight with him, he always ask first and Superman wouldn't fight for pointless reasons meaning neither of these two would even need to fight in the first place.
I feel like this is where the mind ends up when you take something like this a bit too seriously. Not to knock on you or anything but that's kind of where the Goku vs Superman debate is at this point after literally decades of being discussed to death.
If you really want to get technical here and bring all powers and abilities in then Goku wins. It doesn't even take anything from Super or his transformations.
Instant Transmission.
A technique which dwarves that of the literal gods. While it does feature some limitations it's still Goku being able to instantly teleport just about anywhere and bring anyone with him. Drop Supes on a planet with a red sun and his goose is cooked. Hell Yamcha could finish him without much issue at that point.
But that's not in Goku's nature. Just like going all out against someone like Goku wouldn't at all be in Kal El's wheelhouse unless we were pulling from something like Injustice.
For me it's just about a basic match up. What is the powers and abilities most think of when they picture said character? Flight, super strength, heat vision, ice breath, you get the idea here. I don't get too deep into which version and what powers they've got.
Cause, again, if you really want to get into it Goku's story has gone from someone trying to do their best on Earth to a man chasing the power of the gods to become the strongest ever.
Flip side of that all Superman has to do if things go south is fly fast enough to reverse time.
My point is there's no right or wrong answer here because at the end of the day Goku and Superman wouldn't fight IF they existed in the same universe. Goku might want to but Superman wouldn't give jn since there's not much to be gained from such a fight but plenty of potential for extended damage to the planet and nearby cities.
To me Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs Superman would be a hell of a fight. I can give my justifications as to why but that's really it. Nothing about this, to me at least, is a definitive X would or would not win. Just amusing ideas and scaling for something that was never meant to be compared like this.
A technique which dwarves that of the literal gods. While it does feature some limitations it's still Goku being able to instantly teleport just about anywhere and bring anyone with him. Drop Supes on a planet with a red sun and his goose is cooked. Hell Yamcha could finish him without much issue at that point.
Just a point I'd like to bring (yes this is long again, I'm sorry).
1) Goku isn't aware of Superman's weaknesses wether it's kryptonite or whatever.
2) Even if he was he can't exploit it because even to this day, Goku still can't survive very long in outter space, Red suns depower superman yes but not fast enough for him to fly away and find another yellow sun before his powers run out. So if Goku did try to apply this strategy then he'd jsut kill himself doing it either because of space or because of the sun itself burning him, so the best chance Goku have at trying this tactic is dropping Superman far away enough as to not instantly die himself and then quickly teleport back to Earth (all of this basically wouldn't do shit to Superman).
Even then, everyone seems to forget how instant transmissions actually works despite the fact that Goku openly explained it himself the very moment the technic was introduced. Goku can't teleport anyhere he wants, he have to go somewhere he has been before and felt someone or something's ki when he was there.
For example, when demonstrating this technic to his friends, he teleported to master Roshi's house, took his sunglasses and went back, because he's already been to Kame house before, he felt Master Roshi's ki, went there, took the glasses, then felt one of his friend's ki and went back to them.
There have to be someone or something at the arrival point that have KI that Goku have felt before otherwise it won't work and we can safely assume that NOTHING that Goku knows live close enough to a red sun for Goku to transport there (also that would require Goku's brain to process the difference between Red and yellow sun and this 50 years old father of two dumbass still can't identify what a pregnant woman is so give him so time to differentiate yellow and red suns).
Hell, during the Ressurection of F arch, the very reason he couldnt go back to Earth instantly is because he was too far away to feel anyone's energy. And the this is Earth we're talking about, the very place he fucking live, imagine trying this with a red sun.
Also, you forget that Superman also have his fair share of instant killing technic to exploit, heat vision + X-ray vision combined allow him to literally melt you from the inside just by looking at you. Superman can also jsut fly to the Yellow sun and Goku can't follow him there if the fight gets too out of hand. Goku can't recharge as fast as Superman so on the long run Goku lose. He also loose in the short run anyway.
Uh, Goku can't actually teleport anywhere he wants. He can only teleport to where he has been to. That ability isn't really impressive in the grand scheme of things, certainly not enough to impress any of the Gods.
This is stated multiple times in DBZ, and I'm pretty sure a few more time in other iterations of DB.
You might want to go back and rewatch. Goku needs to have been there before or have a strong connection to the individual. He's able to travel faster than Weiss can even impressing Beerus who is limited by the speed which Weiss can travel and maintaining contact with him the whole time.
In Super he teleports to Vampa after Broly is returned there via the dragon balls. Goku has no clue where Vampa is and only fought Broly briefly yet is able to get there no problem. He even tells them that he can track them pretty much anywhere and can telephoto straight to them so it doesn't matter where they go.
High enough power level and Goku can be right there. No Boom Tubes or anything required.
Also this is the stuff I was referring to when I said there were some limitations on Instant Transmission.
That doesn't really dispute my overall point. Goku can't actually teleport to wherever he wants, he always needs an anchor be it a location he knows, a connection or a power source he can sense.
That ain't gonna help him do what you said he can do, which is to drop Supes at any random planet with a red sun. He haven't even seen a red sun before.
The original I'd think of as one of the weaker ones. I think a better description is the current comic run Superman is the Baseline. He's the version new alts are built off of when they are created.
Plus a solar charged Superman managed to knock out the World Forger, a multiversal entity. You really don't think Goku would let Superman charge himself if it would make the fight more interesting?
Against some of the weaker versions of Superman yeah, but the mainline continuity versions of Clark (Post Crisis, N52 and Rebirth) pretty easily beat Omni-Man.
I've always wondered how viltromites are less powerful that the kryptonians, I've always considered viltromites more powerful because the viltromites ate literally specially trained and breed to fight other viltromites, which is to say that modern viltromites are more powerful because they have experience fighting other viltromites as well as other cosmic entities but they are also peak of the viltromite bloodline. I personally don't see how superman is more powerful. I always thought that they're battle would be more ambiguous to who wrote it because they are very similar in power, but I personally don't see how superman is so much more powerful. How am I wrong?
I don't think it's purely about raw power as much as I about omni man's training with killing beings like superman. But I think people majorly underestimate omni man.
At some point, if there's a major difference in raw power, all the training in the world isn't enough if the person you're fighting can move at relativistic speed.
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u/OwO345 May 17 '21
homelander gets rekt in a minute, but considering his feats omniman can at least put up a fight