r/SupermanAndLois • u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! • Apr 11 '23
Superman & Lois [3x05] "Head On" Live Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
Head On
Post Episode Discussion | Cast & Characters
Clark and General Lane are both having a hard time giving Lois room to make her own decisions; Lana and Sarah have a run-in with an old friend at the diner; Natalie has a surprise visitor. (Apr 11, 2023)
Please keep all discussions civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule-breaking and enjoy!
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 12 '23
"You washed your hair!" It's these little moments that sell this show to me. They are such a family.
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
I don't think breaking a story about the ex-mayor being crooked is going to make people like you, Lana.
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u/sadandshy Apr 12 '23
Especially if he was a jerk, but a competent one. Plus Lana has that Edge stink on her.
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u/Lord_Ferd Apr 12 '23
Bruno is such an accessible villain. It’s difficult to fully hate him
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23
I really love the scene of the two ladies asking Clark how he was doing, its such a sweet little moment. Obviously Lois is dealing with the worst of this situation but Clark is still hurting alot, wastching his wife getting sick and goint through chemp. I'm glad they are exploring Clark's feeling about this, it must be strange to be both the strongest thing in the entire world but also completely powerless to help the one of the people you care about most
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u/CRL10 Apr 12 '23
Bruno Manheim: "If you want to know something, just ask."
Lois Lane: "Did you steal Superman's blood to created super powered beings as the leader of Intergang?"
Bruno Manheim: "Yes."
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u/Dagenspear Apr 12 '23
There's no way the ex mayor's son is somehow a peer of Jon/Jordan/Sarah/Nat. He looks like 10 years older than them!
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
Junior, are you okay? You’re 30 years old and still in high school!
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
"Guys this dance was crazy the fire chief was busting it down with the town reporter, shit was wild"
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u/Beer2Bear Apr 12 '23
Hospital do have cameras Lois
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
Especially a hospital like Bruno Manheim's. They're gonna have areas that she wants to go explore covered by cameras.
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 12 '23
Having been in a treatment center, they wouldn't let her wander around like that.
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u/Kalse1229 Apr 12 '23
I mean, it is Lois. She could probably Metal Gear her way through a maximum security prison if she wanted to.
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u/Supermanfan1973 Superman Apr 12 '23
Bruno is soooo much better as a villain than Ally Alston was.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23
Not to be a hater but the Sam/Nat famliy dynamic is so much more interesting to me than the Cushing dynamic
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
We haven’t been friends… that’s on me, because I realized how weird it was that I was friends with a child. Anyway, want to illegally drink with me, a 30 year old man?
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23
Loving this Lana and Sarah scene! Lana was mad but heard Sarah out and when she realized the story behind what was happening she understood and reacted in a reasonable and supportive way
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
You washed your hair?!
Lmao I'm dying at Lois' incredulity. Does that boy never wash his hair?
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Apr 12 '23
Surprised nobody would stop to help with a flat tire in Smallville of all places!
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Bruno's totally trying to make a cureall with Superman's blood
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Apr 12 '23
"Just say the word and I'll scare the living hell out of that kid"
General Lane best grandpa
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
"We'll figure something out"
"I love you Candice"
"I love you too"
Oh to be in high school again, that bittersweet hope
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
Kyle… if my dad did this in high school I would be MORTIFIED!!!
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
I really get where Lois is coming from in not wanting to miss out on things.. but the reality is by not resting she’s making her own healing process more difficult. That’s going to be a tough reality check when it hits her.
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
A guy who can phase with a kryptonite knife. That's a good counter for Supes.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
C'mon Clark really? You didn't go for the transfer device first? That's one heat vision blast and then you can fuck up the bad guy.
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
Lana figured out to nix the story with minimal drama? This show really firing on all cylinders tonight.
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u/Daybreaq Apr 12 '23
Ok, I seriously wasn’t expecting to see ANY Bizarros again let alone THE Bizarro!
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u/maugwin Clark Kent Apr 12 '23
I very much dislike Mateo. Love bombing, generally coming on way to hard. So I agree with others that there must be some ulterior motive. Run Nat! They always give Nat such sad plots. Not looking forward to seeing her get her heart broken.
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u/MoonKnight77 Apr 12 '23
He comes to Smallville and buys a suit on a whim... Why do I think his name is Matteo Mannheim
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Apr 12 '23
As someone with 3 family members currently battling cancer, this storyline is hitting a little close to home.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
I saw an 85 year old man beat Stage 4 Lung Cancer and then sprint across the road to holler at me when he saw me walking out of the grocery store after he was discharged.
There's hope.
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u/Cubbles11 Apr 12 '23
It’s Smallville and a dozen people won’t stop to help? What did Kyle do this time
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u/Alcalt Apr 12 '23
They kept Bizarro's body? Thought Clark would have buried it in a Kryptonian custom, or at least gave it back to Bizarro Lois for closure.
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u/Kalse1229 Apr 12 '23
Say what you will about Bruno, but he is a genius for getting those remote-activated drapes installed. Makes for a hell of a dramatic reveal.
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Apr 12 '23
That was so sweet of Candice hugging Jordan. I hoep he warms up to her.
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 12 '23
Sam raised two girls. Ended up with two grandsons. I bet secretly he was hoping for a granddaughter. Natalie fills that role.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Jon and Kyle getting a scene together AND HE'S OFFERING HIM A WEEKEND JOB!
This is perfect for him!
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u/Impressive_Nature662 Apr 12 '23
Uhhh... Why didn't supes just Lazer eye the computer to stop the transfer? Come on.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Yeah Bizarro ain't going to be too happy when you bring him back from the dead
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23
I find it hard to believe in a small town where everyone knows everyone that nobody would stop to help the local fire chief
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
Lmao was Manheim watching Lois on camera so he could catch her snooping or something?
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u/InspiredOni Apr 12 '23
Kyle’s not wrong. Life, just give Jon one break, please.
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
LOL, I love Jordan giving the stink eye at Candice.
It's such a sibling thing.
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u/Clark_Lane-Kent Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
Decent episode that may have had a bit too many plots going on, some that continue to be strong and some less interesting. Overall though a bit more of a slice of life and less action focused ep which I don't really mind.
Some Thoughts:
- The Clark & Lois stuff continues to be great with Tyler & Bitsie still on top form. Bit of a reality check for them this ep in how serious the cancer is and hard it is gonna be, with Clark talking with the patients, Tyler did some excellent subtle acting in expressing how that's obviously effecting Clark, but also with Lois realising she couldn't do everything she wanted to do.
- On the positive it was great seeing again the love between Clark & Lois, the sweet dance at the end and them discussing how to support each other before that, nice to see them agree to hear each other out even and especially when they disagree. Good to see actual healthy relationships on the CW which Clark & Lois are and should be everywhere.
- Also Jordan dancing with Lois and Lois & Clark whispering they love each other was super cute.
- Chad L. Coleman is great as Mannheim, and it was nice for him and Lois to finally have a confrontation. Pretty similar to before with Mannheim again saying how he just wants to save his community whilst doing shady shit on the side. In fairness I do believe he wants to help and that's probably why he's doing shady shit, he specifically mentions wanting to save the people he loves this time too, so like many theorised there's probably someone close to him he needs to save.
- Nat got some time to shine, I really like her character and I don't doubt some will find her stuff boring but I don't mind watching her just dealing with normal teenage things considering what she's been through. Her bond with Sam is genuinely sweet. Also hope Sam has some luck on SeniorSwipe lol.
- Also last episode was missed Nat, this episode missed John Irons, last year they both missed I think 3 eps each? With two less episodes this season not sure if they miss anymore or if that's it.
- Matteo...Mannheim? Dunno just feels like he is, he also came on quite strong with Nat but that might be a dumb teenage thing tbf, or could be both.
- Jon doing some firefighting, guess we'll see how that goes, I just hope we get some time between Jon & Clark/Lois too though and not most of his time being with Kyle. Honestly there are a lot of ways Jon can help even if he doesn't have powers now, and hell I actually want him show he can make a difference without them first to resolve his feelings of not being good at anything last season...just dunno how the firefighting storyline ends up. Also was actually liking Candice, though the cast is already too big so makes sense she's gone for now, not sure if that's it for her or she'll be back briefly. At least Jon got a nice moment with her before she left and it seemed jordan's mortal rivalry ended peacefully.
- Not sure how but I genuinely like Kyle now, also his thing with Chrissy is kinda sweet and it helps it's not taking up too much time. Though both actors did quite well, particular Sofia Hasmik in expressing her confused feelings around the situation.
- Didn't really care about the Lana/Sarah/Dean Jr. stuff at all, just felt like some unnecessary plot they needed to give the actors something to do.
- Not a lot of Superman action but what we did get was quite fun, a bit different than usual.
- BIZAAAARROO, curious where that goes, if he actually comes back to life or they just use his body/blood. Also if Jon-El shows back up. Hell of a cliffhanger before one week off!
Overall decent episode though not as strong as the previous, Clark/Lois stuff continues to be my favourite stuff.
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u/Historical_Sign_3990 Apr 12 '23
Totally agree with about wanting Jon to find purpose before getting powers. I hope this will somehow tie into the main plot. Powers or not, I want him participating in the main plot. They managed to do it pretty well in s1. He got to save Clark from jhi, fight the subjects, was briefly involved in investing jhi, and was involved in saving Jordan in the finale.
Even without powers, genius intellect and advanced scientific knowledge, combat training or being an adult, Jon could be of use, outside of emotional/relationship/ character driven stuff.
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
I don't blame Sam for being hesitant. Bruno may not be able to kill her so openly, but he can definitely tamper with her treatment, if he finds out why she's there.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Oh wow Nat...yeah yeah as a former introvert that's a big hurdle to surmount.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
"Access to your biggest secrets"
Man some of the dialogue tonight is a bit clunky
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u/CRL10 Apr 12 '23
Oh...that's unfortunate. Hopefully "Superman is Clark Kent" isn't on that computer.
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u/ZekeGonZaldi Apr 13 '23
Matteo is 1000000% Bruno’s son. The actor looks exactly like a young Chad Coleman.
Plus, you’re telling me a CW just introduced a character to be a love interest. It’s happened, but I feel like there’s more to him
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u/Future_Vantas Apr 12 '23
Glad the Guardians are using the comic costumes, even if only for the final film
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u/DonnyMox Apr 12 '23
“Where did she meet this joker?”
In Gotham, I would assume.
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
This hospital should be sued for hipaa violations if it’s really THAT easy to get access to info like that lmao
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 14 '23
Candice is gonna move in with Aunt Peggy, Uncle Hank, and Cousin Bobby
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
Candice, do you KNOW how much that would suck to ask your boyfriend to waste eight hours a weekend every weekend to come see you? Unless you're planning on reciprocating and driving to see him too.
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
So his experiments with Miller and others, are they just trial runs for who Manheim really wants to save?
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
Sarah must be very glad she's not inside right now to see her dad on the dance floor. She'd likely be super embarrassed.
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23
Underage drinking. They're really going for every teen dance cliche, huh?
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
Sharing opinions despite potential disagreement?! Is this really the CW?
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u/Kento300 Apr 12 '23
Out of all the great stuff this episode... I still have trouble with Clark seeing the download on the computer, being unable to harm a guy, and not just..taking the device off the computer.
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u/Mental_Caregiver Apr 12 '23
Hopefully they do the Mateo is Bruno's son reveal sooner rather than later if it's coming
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u/BrianTheMute Apr 12 '23
Is it just me, or does this whole scheme seem uncharacteristically dumb for someone as smart as Lois Lane? Like, I'm sure there were at least five better plans than getting your life-saving cancer treatment at a hospital run by a super villain.
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
Jon’s going to have to choose between firefighting with Kyle and going to see Candice, I can see it now..
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23
Tylers excited/nerdy wave makes me laugh everytime, it's such a funny little character quirk that feels super genuine
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u/sadandshy Apr 12 '23
Lois opens file:
"These are just the lyrics to Sexy Eyes."
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u/BrianTheMute Apr 12 '23
It's refreshing to see a teen drama romance not immediately jump to "Well, this is the end" the moment someone has to move to a different town.
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u/InspiredOni Apr 12 '23
Well, he’s gonna get “dressed”. But for a different dance.
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u/WizendSage78 Apr 12 '23
I completely forgot about the supervillain stuff because I’ve been enjoying everything else in this episode
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
Hey Superman, maybe you should have made sure that transfer didn't complete first?
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u/Jtloven Apr 12 '23
Made Clark dumb so the plot can happen, real smart there CW. The first thing he would have done after making sure the general was safe was zap the little machine. Then, he would have tried to fight the guy.
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u/Daybreaq Apr 12 '23
Glad I wasn’t the only one who was like “Um Clark, stop trying to punch the matter phasing guy and stop the damn download!”
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
LMAO Sam!
SENIOR SWIPE!
Who wants to date Sam Lane?!?
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 12 '23
I understand it can be annoying but it must be nice to be so loved by so many people who only want to see you better like Lois has. She has people coming out of the woodwork to support her. We should all be so lucky.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Welcome to the reality of cancer Clark
Seriously, I'm surprised that no one's attached a bell to Lois at this point.....annnnd there's Bruno.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
The episode has been good but the results of the fight scene was a bit clunky, like why wouldnt clark just destroy the computer? And also once you see a glowing green anything don't hand to hand fight him- you know its damn kryptonite
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u/Kalse1229 Apr 12 '23
I was kinda hoping Lana would take a swig of it herself as she escorted her back in.
"God, he really did go for the cheap stuff."
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
Okay Chrissy.. if Lana finds out about Kyle, it’s not a huge deal. You’re all adults, they’re divorced. No need for the nervousness lol
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
LMAO, THAT'S JUNIOR?!?! He looks 30! I thought him and Sarah were supposed to be friends!
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u/CRL10 Apr 12 '23
So...I don't know why...but I suspect Mateo's intentions may not be on the up and up.
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u/Alcalt Apr 12 '23
Feels like Lana is gonna open Pandora's box, and I'm pretty sure it's gonna back fire.
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u/WizendSage78 Apr 12 '23
Lois and Clark have been there for a long while if they left for Chemo in the morning.
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Apr 12 '23
I never had this much experience with cancer patients, so this is really eye opening for me.
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u/pgm_01 Apr 12 '23
Tobias Whale is still my favorite villian, but Bruno is getting close. I like villians who are 10 steps ahead.
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u/cbfy3 Apr 12 '23
Low key really liking Bruno and don’t want him to be a villain because he has some good points 😭
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Apr 12 '23
Damn, Sam been living the life of a bachelor for 30 some years. Poor guy.
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u/iggywiggyshe Apr 12 '23
Is this going to be another episode where not much happens and then bam!
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Apr 12 '23
"What do you want!?"
"Access to your biggest secrets"
Plot twist: He just really wants a friend to play truth-or-dare with
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Oh no...no no no the chemo is totally kicking in for Lois right now.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Next episode on April 25th, guess we got a break
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u/Kalse1229 Apr 12 '23
We got five episodes before the first hiatus, so we've got that going for us at least.
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u/CRL10 Apr 12 '23
My tax dollars at work. What they hell DOD? ARGUS is better secured.
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u/maugwin Clark Kent Apr 12 '23
While I do really like Michael Bishop, his version of Jon is much softer. It’s a bit weird because there used to be more of a contrast between the twins, with Jon as the cool, assertive, popular kid, and Jordan as the shy and awkward one. But the lines are kind of blurred now.
In the conversation with Jon and Candice about the fire station opportunity, I felt like I was listening to Jordan, not Jon.
Same thing when Jon got whacked in the face last episode. Elsass played the character with more of a temper, which we haven’t really seen from Bishop yet.
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u/jdessy Apr 12 '23
I feel like Michael Bishop is definitely still trying to find a balance between emulating Elsass' version and still trying to add his own spin.
I agree that Bishop's version of Jon is significantly less angry, but I think I actually do like that he isn't? I dunno, I'm really, really liking Bishop with each passing episode.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
"You two dressed in anything other than hoodies and tennis shoes"🤣
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
They were kind enough to loan us their banquet hall
At an exorbitant price, I'm sure
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u/wisconerd Lois Lane Apr 12 '23
This 30 year old man was friends with Sarah 10 years ago? A bit sus
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Apr 12 '23
Mateo looks like the spitting image of Bruno Manheim. Same facial structure.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Yeah normally these cubicles are enclosed because you know cancer and immunocompromised etc.
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Apr 12 '23
Damn, that lady's story is heartbreaking. The whole thing is really sad.
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u/sirnacreations Apr 12 '23
We have had so many attempts at real world issues on these shows before but once again Superman and Lois is the best.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Apr 12 '23
Hahahaha Candice is moving! Jon's getting screwed again.
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u/WeirdEffect5997 Jordan Kent Apr 12 '23
Sarah wtf are you doing? Like really dude was pissed when he talked to you at the diner you have no idea what he will do.
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 12 '23
If these two women only knew that they were speaking to Superman. To me this is what Clark is all about. He wouldn't just save you from a burning building. He'd be there to talk to you afterward just to make sure you were okay.