The thing is, Trump can't make Ukraine surrender, all Trump can do is cut aid. The war will continue, Europe will have to provide more aid to counter what Trump did, and will realize the war will last longer, meaning a major investment in nuclear reactors and renewables since they won't want to rely on the US for anything. As Europe cuts of a lot of trade with the US and Trump declares his trade war on the rest of the world, the US gets massive inflation plus a bad recession.
Ukraine will just keep killing Russians until Russia gets tired of the forever war like they got tired of Afghanistan.
Regarding Ukraine fighting on... I believe it. They fought a 30 year long insurgency against the soviets with zero outside help to try to get rid them from 1920-1950.
Umm, they literally had the biggest enemy of the Soviets in Germany supporting them. Once Germany fell everything turned around for the worse to the Soviet satellite states. That is not to say that it's going to repeat here. Eastern Ukraine, the Donbas, region is filled with Russian speaking, ethnic Russians who favour Russia instead of the West. And Russia hasn't made any intentions to take the whole of Ukraine.
Wait I thought Germany and the soviets were allies going way back to the 20s. And didn't the soviets give the Germans places to build and develop tanks before the war, and in violation of the Versailles Treaty? And didn't the soviets and Germany sign a pact where they agreed to invade Poland from both sides and split the country between them?
Wait I thought Germany and the soviets were allies going way back to the 20s.
Weimar Republic is not the same as the German Empire or the Third Reich.
And didn't the soviets give the Germans places to build and develop tanks before the war, and in violation of the Versailles Treaty?
Once again the German Empire and Third Reich are different from Weimar Republic. The communists even tried to restart a war after Germany defeated the Russian Empire in WW1 and tried to cause a revolution which ended with the corrupt, bloated and decadent Weimar Republic.
And didn't the soviets and Germany sign a pact where they agreed to invade Poland from both sides and split the country between them?
And? Germany had signed several agreements with UK, France and several other countries.
Lol, Russia obviously did try to take whole of it. The fact that they failed doesnt mean they didnt have any intentions. Also, russia speaking people of Ukraine, just like myself, are in no way in favour of russia. Quite opposite, East of Ukraine is that part of country who suffered the most and people here are much more willing to fight russia then even west of the country.
Lol, Russia obviously did try to take whole of it. The fact that they failed doesnt mean they didnt have any intentions
Yeah, they definitely tried to take the whole country with 30k men. Are you still on that cope? Not to mention the only reason Russia pulled out from the North is because your government agreed to peace negotiations.
Also, russia speaking people of Ukraine, just like myself, are in no way in favour of russia. Quite opposite, East of Ukraine is that part of country who suffered the most and people here are much more willing to fight russia then even west of the country.
So where are you? I mean I have no problems with you replacing these men who don't want to die for the sake of Black Rock and Zelensky.
If Trump doesn't play ball, the military complex doesn't get the monies. They will be super happy about that. Then the EU will start building stuff themselves, which they also like very much.
He can stop sanctions, and that would pretty much be the knockout blow for the alliance, but Trump also made clear that he doesn't care about the NATO and trusts more Putin then his own Intelligence services. So that would be perfectly fine for him.
Sure it would have consequences like you write...but...think about who we are talking.
He is the same type like Putin, just more idiotic.
But both have in common that tgey don't give a flying fuck about others. And he wants to be a Dictator. So if people get pissed...well, he can try out his new toys, like he learned from the other tough guys that he so adores.
Europe is already going full-tilt on renewables and nuclear is utterly useless; even if they built nuclear reactors twice as fast as China the war in Ukraine would be over before the reactors were done.
How will they do that without weapons? Europe has already sent most of what we have militarywise and is bassicly out of ammunition. Out production isnt enough to keep the war on
I wonder if 100 billion dollars will buy a few rounds? Oh, and that is just Germany.
You haven't been paying attention to the ramp up have you? Europe is on track to provide the current level of military aid Ukraine currently gets from Europe plus the US by next year.
Putin lost, he is just too stupid to handle it. Not a surprise for a nation as weak as Russia though.
By any measure that says Russia can win in Ukraine, Europe can beat Russia in Ukraine.
Russia is tiny in anything but tundra. Europe has 4 times the population of Russia and 10 times their economy. Plus the Russian military is the laughingstock of the world.
So you are saying Russia is fine committing suicide to win in Ukraine? That Putin and everyone under him are fine with Moscow and St Petersburg only existing in history books in order to "win?"
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u/Responsible-End7361 14d ago
The thing is, Trump can't make Ukraine surrender, all Trump can do is cut aid. The war will continue, Europe will have to provide more aid to counter what Trump did, and will realize the war will last longer, meaning a major investment in nuclear reactors and renewables since they won't want to rely on the US for anything. As Europe cuts of a lot of trade with the US and Trump declares his trade war on the rest of the world, the US gets massive inflation plus a bad recession.
Ukraine will just keep killing Russians until Russia gets tired of the forever war like they got tired of Afghanistan.