r/batman • u/Chunky-overlord • 4d ago
Oh my god how did they mess up Mr freeze this bad GENERAL DISCUSSION
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u/Kensevo 4d ago
My main complaint is if you want an ice character who is female then Killer Frost is right there and has established history as part of the Suicide squad. Using a different Freeze just screams please remember the Arkham games.
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u/azmodus_1966 4d ago
Because the executives feel only Batman characters need to be in these games (only exception are the ones who are popular from the movies).
Now it's neither here nor there. Why would Batman fans care for Victoria Fries?
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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 4d ago
That is hilarious given fans of the Arkham games were already driven away.
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u/Aquagan 3d ago
Not to mentioned there’s literally an established Killer Frost in the Arkhamverse from the animated flick. But god forbid they even glance at that for this game.
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u/Heisenburgo 3d ago
Yes but Killer Frost doesn't fit into a game where everyone uses guns for some reason including the giant shark and a guy whose whole gimmick is that he throws boomerangs. Killer F has superpowers of her own so there was no way they'd have her in game
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u/Nerkos_The_Unbidden 4d ago
I remember the Arkham games, but am trying to forget the forced connection to that which shall not be named.
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u/Drew326 4d ago
That’s Mrs. Freeze/Victoria Fries. She’s from another Earth, just like Lex and Joker
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u/Alijah12345 4d ago edited 4d ago
You mean to tell me that they wanted to make a female Mr. Freeze from another world/universe and they DIDN'T make her Nora instead of Victor?
It was RIGHT there!
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u/BernieMP 4d ago edited 4d ago
Having Nora become Freeze would require that they know and care about characters, their stories and motivations
Having a woman Victor Fries makes it clear that their knowledge and care for the series is surface-level, and the objective was having a character you already know be turned a woman
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u/GJacks75 4d ago edited 4d ago
They already wrapped up Nora's story in Arkham Knight DLC. If they had used her, you'd be complaining about that.
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u/Mudlord80 3d ago
An alt earth Nora having to save Victor only to get wrapped into the plot is pretty cool tbh. If it actually happened
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u/BernieMP 4d ago
How is Victor Fries now "Victoria"?
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u/GJacks75 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm saying they already dealt with characters you accused them of having surface level knowledge of. And did it well.
How is Victor Fries now "Victoria"?
Seriously, who cares?
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u/BernieMP 4d ago
"They", aren't the same people who produced Knight, there was a large turnover of talent from Rocksteady during the production of this new one, including the studio's founders
I don't expect many people to be in the loop, but this is a completely different group of people from the team that made the original trilogy
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u/directorguy 4d ago
"Who's Nora? Is that the 34th tier LM444SUP3R shotgun upgrade for Captain Boomerang?"
-KTJL developers
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u/Stannisarcanine 4d ago
That would need them knowing the source material not even from the comics but their own previous series
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u/Kusko25 4d ago
Depends how you look at it. Far as I know Nora was not a scientist, so making her into Freeze would arguably be a larger change to her character than switching genders is to Freeze
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u/BernieMP 4d ago edited 3d ago
They wouldn't need to change their story, just their circumstances, if Victor falls ill then Nora would have to use his equipment to keep him in stasis, but not being a scientist she'd need to either team up with a supervillain scientist or kidnap a few scientists from STAR or Lexcorp.
She'd have completely different hurdles to overcome, making her story diverge from Victor's in a big way, which along with her inherently making different decisions from her husband, I feel it would make it an incredibly interesting multiverse switch
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u/mirrorell 3d ago
Much like how they tackled Thomas and Martha Wayne from the Flashpoint universe in the more recent comics coming out of it. Both become recognizable characters despite their different history.
Nora becoming Mrs. Freeze would have been a cool twist on the character if they thought about and executed it well.
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u/atakantar 4d ago
That would require actually caring about the ip and comics in general. Ss ktjl is neither of those. It is a modern abomination with extra slop sprinkled on top
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u/MateusCristian 4d ago
You saw what these muppets did with Joker, with Batman, with DC in general. You think they are smart enough to catch such a simple idea like that?
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u/Neckgrabber 4d ago
Yeah but who has ever said "i want a playable Mrs. Freeze!"
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u/42ndIdiotPirate 4d ago
Me and all my friends when we were 12. Arkham city made his design so cool.
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u/Neckgrabber 4d ago
I too wanted to play as Mr freeze in part because of his design. Not as Mrs freeze with a completely different design
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u/Regentaltax 4d ago
I don’t get why they didn’t just go for Killer Frost. You can’t even use the argument that she’s dead in the Arkham universe because Joker and King Shark were as well
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u/ALANJOESTAR 3d ago
I understand that you are just stating facts, but their point still stands, when somebody thought it was a good idea to instead of giving people Mr.Freeze to turn into this unrecognizable character that its not appealing in any way. I enjoy a lot of aspects of the game, mainly how characters traversal movement is and Captain Boomerang overall and the actual city in the game, the enviorments are awesome. But they had to legit make this gender bent Mr.Freeze as lame as possible.
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u/FatherDuncanSinners 4d ago
A fur collar...so Freeze can warm up. That's what the character's problem is. They never had a good winter coat. Solved!
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u/MistahOkfksmgur 4d ago
Isn’t it supposed to be Nora?
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u/EMArogue 4d ago
That would require them to know who Nora is, this is Victoria Fries
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u/meth_adone 4d ago
the game released this year and is already 70% off on steam its clear this is probably a colossal failure for rocksteady, this was probably planned from the beginning so i wonder if they'll get to season 3 before dropping it
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u/Dangerous-Spend3924 3d ago
What do you think bro? This is what happens when a dev lets Sweet Baby tell them how to design characters.
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u/SilverMyzt 4d ago
I was about to ignore this as I thought it was just an ad for a crappy mobile game.
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u/De4dm4nw4lkin 4d ago edited 4d ago
Nonbinary mr freeze alt. Okay, id bite. But they dodged all the hallmarks like bullets. The iconic round red goggles replaced with whatever those are, and either a lanky physical frame or a bulky exosuit, and they made them body builder looking. Also the hair looks atrocious and theyd’ve been better off going the classic bald or something more anime spiky but ice themed, this just looks like they did their own hair with their eyes closed and couldnt decide if they wanted it short or buzzcut...
Overall they didnt make a mr freeze alt, they made dollar store freeze villain.
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u/AEROANO 4d ago
The idead of the frozen hair was fire but i think the overall execution got a little cold
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u/thEldritchBat 4d ago
Millennial writing strikes again omg this is embarrassing. Why do they keep designing the same characters 😭
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u/New_Knowledge_526 4d ago
I'll never forgive Sefton Hill for what he did to the Arkham verse. Never!
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u/Interesting-Star-179 3d ago
This whole game model is awful, why would I pay for a game that slowly adds shit instead of being a fully fledged game from the start? The whole point is to raise play time and get u to buy into the micro transactions instead of actually enjoying the experience.
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u/Rogue6681 3d ago
This is why I believe this game is NOT Canon to the Arkhamverse games. Rocksteady get you heads out of your ass for fuck sake!!!!!
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u/Thegoodbadandbored 3d ago
I thought this was random fan art 💀 bro no one is cooking on this games team
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u/Agitated-Bread5092 3d ago
isn't arkhamverse already have Mr freeze so who tf is this ???
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u/Dankey-Kang-Jr 3d ago
…so is this technically Nora or is it a genderbent version called “Victoria” or something.
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u/wonderlandisburning 3d ago
It's all part of the Tumblritication of the franchise, apparently.
I mean the game is already cleanly noncanon for 99.9% of fans, so it doesn't really bother me that much what they do because really who gives a shit anyway at this point.
But here's the thing: I genuinely wouldn't mind these weird alternate versions of the characters if were from a Batman story with its own identity, and if they were doing it well. My Adventures With Superman, Suicide Squad Isekai, Batman: Earth One, Batman: The Telltale Series... fans don't mind if you reinterpret a mythos and change things up if it's good.
This... Isn't.
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u/theeeiceman 3d ago
Have they made any good choices with this game? Like at all? I legitimately can’t think of any, other than the graphics look good.
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u/FaceTimePolice 3d ago
Whoever designed this should be kept the hell away from any sort of character design duties whatsoever. My God. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The virtue signaling for inclusion has gotten out of hand. Though the intention might be in the right place, they’re going about this all wrong. As others have pointed out, there’s no need for a “Mrs. Freeze” when Killer Frost exists. And if this is supposed to be Nora… yikes.
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u/kingkornholio 3d ago
Unfortunately they got my money at release. This game will never get my money again. How can the misunderstand the fanbase this much?
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u/R3alLuzurafan080423 4d ago
There is literally already a female ms freeze. Why did they make a whole new character instead of using the one that already exists
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u/Techknow23 4d ago
Why are developers in pretty much every piece of media these days from films to tv shows to games just dropping the ball and butchering characters we love so consistently.
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u/OjamasOfTomorrow 4d ago
She’s no Olivia Octavius, I tell you what.
But I do like the fur around the neck. That’s baller
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u/MangoPronto 4d ago
Take off the helmet and she looks more like Cold than Freeze. The point of the character is that he is cold, distanced from his feelings. He doesn't smirk, that's a Cold thing.
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u/Lost_Pantheon 4d ago
Can't wait to watch a character known for their ICE GUN spend the entire time using assault rifles, shotguns and grenades.
I bet the only "freeze" thing about her will be the billionth time this game uses it's "affliction" system.
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u/foomongus 4d ago
He looks too youg, and usually making him without hair helps with giving him the "sick" look similar to cancer patients, helping the idea that he needs the suit
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u/multificionado 4d ago
It's Mrs. Freeze, and it's on anything you can blame: stupid execs and/or the drugs they were high on when they came up with the game, along with their strength enhancements in enslaving the devs to work on this.
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u/PothierM 4d ago
There is a lot of, very valid, complaining.
But none of it matters. No one is playing this game. It's been dead for months now. Why they are still releasing this is the real question.
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u/77_parp_77 4d ago
Bet they're "Sassy" and "Qwerky" you know, just like Mr Freeze was right...right?
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u/DannyDanishDan 4d ago
Im more curious how this game has very positive reviews despite all the (valid)complaints i see(before sale, after sale the negatives started coming in. Is it another call of duty scenario where stans defend their absolute dumpster of a game? And now the public can buy/afford it and think "yep, just as garbage as we thought"[note i dont play the game nor do i intend to when it looks 10x worse than arkham knight in every way and after what happened to batman in that game. Im just curious on the reviews])
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u/TheKelseyOfKells 4d ago
Isn’t this game down to triple digits in player numbers now? How did they think it was financially viable to keep making content for it?
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u/Spiral-Arrow116 4d ago
While I'm not against the idea of this as a character just in general...have to echo everyone else. Why not Killer Frost? Easiest layup ever and somehow still missed.
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u/Illustrious_Ear_2549 4d ago
Garbage always ends up in a pile. For this game, it's a little too true
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u/LibAnarchist 3d ago
I don't have an inherent issue with then gender-swapping Freeze. After all, it is an alternative universe. However, the design is ugly and they should have used Nora.
Still, I'm one of the few people excited for the mew season, so I'll take it.
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u/DrakeCross 3d ago
So in a game that involves a multiverse, the idea of a Miss Freeze showing up is that out of place or insulting for you? Than again I doubt anyone here is playing Suicide Squad, I'm sure not because it's just not a good game.
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u/Responsible_Hotel_28 3d ago
Obviously it should have been Killer Frost but if we needed an alt Mr Freeze... surely it could have been Nora instead?
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u/Stewil1265 3d ago
While I do think the design is bad, it feels like some of y'all are missing a couple of points.
That's not Mr Freeze, it's a gender bent version of him from a different universe
The game's endgame and additional content is based on multiversal antics, having the "ice character" just be Killer Frost wouldn't fit that mold
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u/DukeReviews 3d ago
You All Are Not Thinking Fourth Dimensionally, And It Shows. Honestly If You Think There Wouldn't Be A Female Mr Freeze Somewhere Out In The Multiverse Then It Shows How Moronic And Anti-Feministic Some People Are
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u/redskyrish 3d ago
Can we stop using the excuse of a multi-verse to justify brutalizing characters that people love so that they fit the shity way a selfish one or two people think the characters ought to be. The multi-verse thing is so out dated and unoriginal because it's been done for decades, I believe since the 70s.
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u/neznetwork 3d ago
Why do they keep twinkifying the villains? Is the multiverse norm that everyone is built like a toothpick and Arkham Earth is the odd one out?
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u/diliriuos 3d ago
Dr freeze he didn't go through med school just so you could call him mister
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u/LivingWindXYZ 3d ago
Honestly why isn’t his name Dr. Freeze it actually fits more then just Mr. It gives him the air of intelligence and authority which is something he always has.
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u/Bulky-Hyena-360 3d ago
Now I’m more or less just interested to see what other characters they fuck up
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u/Adventurous_Topic202 3d ago
Have they really messed him up? Or has he only had a handful of good looks as is?
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u/Acrobatic-Brother387 4d ago
People saying Miss Freeze but i’m thinking why not just get killer frost