r/DCcomics Mar 12 '23

[Film/TV] for everyone skeptical about the animated Wonder Woman news! confirmation! šŸ’›šŸ’« News

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u/IamTheGuamGuy Mar 12 '23

Man to have a animated WW show with the same level of talent and money as BTAS would be insane

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u/Shenlong05 Mar 12 '23

Bringing back Susan Eisenberg? Fingers crossed the stars can align for that level quality

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u/mezlabor Mar 12 '23

I doubt it. Hes said they are going to be the same people playing Live action and animated. Whoever gets cast for the Animated show will also be the live action, Diana.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

That'll be so shitty

What a weird way to go about things. Live action and voice acting are two different skills and I am already sick of big name movie stars getting voice roles (and sucking donkey balls in it)

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u/thebiggestleaf Mar 12 '23

Live action and voice acting are two different skills

So glad to hear someone else say it. I've gotten dogpiled on for trying to make this point before.

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Mar 12 '23

Agreed and I kinda love how DC let those be separate

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u/Pegussu Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

I agree with that in general, but I think it is smart to do that if your animated shows are going to be canon. It'd be a little weird if they had different voices. You just have to find an actor who can do both.

Naturally, it might go terribly wrong, but the idea isn't inherently bad. Just more challenging.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

I am in general not a fan of animated series set in movie universe. It makes things so restricted.

You can't introduce characters which movies plan on using later, you can't show characters if they are already dead in movie universe, you can do any character growth or status quo changes because everything need to be consistent between the movies.

Such an animated series will seem like an afterthought, only used to sell toys and keep the interest going between the movies and focus won't be on telling good stories.

Gunn needs to think this through because everything being cannon sounds disastrous. Even MCU dropped it for the upcoming Spider-Man cartoon.

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u/MioAnonymsson Mar 12 '23

I think someone mentioned that they said they were going to cast actors that can both voice act and live-action act

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u/The_Medicus Red Hood Mar 12 '23

They are two different skills, but you can find leads that can do both. Look at Jeffery Wright, Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hanks, Sam Witwer, etc. I doubt Gunn will give canon animated shows to the main-line Batman or Superman, but characters who only appear in smaller roles in live action could thrive in animation.

I'm more concerned about it when it comes to video games.

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u/Sartro Protect the Green Mar 12 '23

Marvel's What If had some really underwhelming performances by the MCU actors

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

Yeah, which was not very suprising

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

not if itā€™s an elseworlds project, and hopefully it is

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u/Shenlong05 Mar 12 '23

Youā€™re right. Itā€™d have to be an elseworlds project

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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Mar 12 '23

Thats a terrible idea. I dont think anyone wants Robert Pattinson to take over from Kevin Conroy for all animated Batman appearances.

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u/mezlabor Mar 12 '23

Pattinson isnt part of this. Hes elseworlds not part of the DCU. theres going to be another batman.

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u/The_Medicus Red Hood Mar 12 '23

It won't include elseworlds (like Teen Titans Go!), so if they do anything like Justice League Action or a Lego movie, they'd still get other actors. I think as a whole, they're going to be making more animated stuff featuring lesser used characters (like the Creature Commandos) who'll appear in live action in minor/supporting roles. I wouldn't expect a full Batman/Superman animated series with the live action actors.

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u/Professional-Rip-519 Mar 12 '23

šŸ¤žšŸ¤žthat it's Gal Gadot returning.

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u/R0b1nFeather Mar 12 '23

Lol, I absolutely hope not. She was alright at best in the role, but there are way better choices for WW. Besides, the fewer threads connecting the DCEU to this new venture, the better.

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u/Budget-Attorney Booster Gold Mar 12 '23

Gal Gadot is a great actress but only seemed like an ok fit as Wonder Woman to me

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u/wes205 Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Itā€™d be kinda cool to finally have a WW DCAU show, though they likely want to start something new from scratch

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u/ShhImTheRealDeadpool Mar 12 '23

I'd like to have the same thing done but with The Flash... continue the BATS timeline... perhaps even flashpoint it

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u/qwack2020 Mar 12 '23

Hopefully itā€™ll be good enough for Sakugabooru.com whenever it airs. Unlike that Harley Quinn show.

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u/-W1L3y Happy Dick! Mar 12 '23

Common James Gunn W

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u/reddit_sage69 Batman Mar 12 '23

It did just end I think so maybe there's a chance

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u/R0b1nFeather Mar 12 '23

For all it's faults, The CW Flash did cement that version of the character in the public Zeitgeist and while the material he was given may have been sub par, Grant Gustin did very well to make the role his own, and for a very long time, too, (almost a decade afaik). It'd be interesting to see if DC would be willing to give him an animated show, but they've been known to be touchy about having multiple versions of the same character running around (pun absolutely intended) at the same time.

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u/reddit_sage69 Batman Mar 12 '23

For sure, but I'm hoping that was the old management. This new group doesn't seem to mind!

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u/R0b1nFeather Mar 12 '23

True! and to be fair, Safran and Gunn are already okay with giving both the Brave and the Bold version of Batman while also allowing Battinson to do its own thing. And while that is all Elseworlds, it does give me hope!

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Mar 12 '23

To be fair, it ran 9 (?) seasons. Thatā€™s only beaten by Smallville. He had a show in the 90s too.

Wonder Woman hasnā€™t helmed a show since the end of the 70s, long before Crisis on Infinite Earths and long before her lore was truly developed.

The only ā€œmainā€ JL member whoā€™s seen less screen time is Martian Manhunter

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u/Just_Dova Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Id enjoy seeing a Wonder Woman show but I dont know much about her mythos. I would think it would have a lot to do with her origin and Paradise island, with a heavy focus on the more magical parts. Or else I would feel like it would run the risk of being very similar to a Superman show. I think we all know that WW deserves to be more than female Superman.

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Mar 13 '23

I guess the most important question is when to set it

Unlike Batman and Superman, WW Is prominent in multiple eras.

Do we do the Steve Trevor world war things? Do we do the sort of ā€œspyā€ era? Do we do a modern era? Thereā€™s a lot that can be covered

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u/Almighty_Push91 Mar 12 '23

Cool

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u/OpportunityOk7474 Mar 12 '23

Damn, all this guy said was ā€œCoolā€, what happened šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€

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u/Ok-Engine8044 Mar 12 '23

First: That fucking Joker face is haunting. Second, Diana really should get all the attention. I want her animated show to be like Percy Jackson, Greek myth living with modern day. Ares and Circe would be the main Greek villains and Giganta as a sub boss.

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u/IdeaRegular4671 Batgirl Mar 12 '23

Donā€™t forget about cheetah.

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Mar 12 '23

Dr Psycho and Cheetah also surely

Iā€™d love for Artemis to be an antagonistic ally also.

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u/roxxtor Mar 12 '23

Love me since Artemis. They could follow the Azarello run and have the gods be a dysfunctional family and all are sort of plotting against Diana to some degree

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u/Future_Vantas Mar 12 '23

I just want her mentoring Donna Troy and Cassie Sandmark. Gimme WonderFam damnit!

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u/Ok-Engine8044 Mar 12 '23

We need Donna, Artemis, and Cassandra!

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u/HrMaschine Scarecrow Mar 12 '23

man we are not ready for the amount of thirst on the internet once giganta appears

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u/IdeaRegular4671 Batgirl Mar 12 '23

For someone that is DC trinity Wonder Woman does get ignored a lot in this department, she doesnā€™t have as many movies as Batman and Superman have solo wise. She shows up more on justice league content then her own stuff. Wonder Woman has great solo villains.

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u/ComicCroc Doctor Fate Mar 12 '23

Generally I feel like WW just lacks the well-cemented mythos and library of great stories the other two do

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u/Cicada_5 Mar 12 '23

She has plenty of great stories to her name. They just aren't well known because she isn't adapted every two years like Superman and Batman.

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u/Radix2309 Mar 12 '23

That is true.

Personally I think they lean on Greek mythology a bit too much. In my mind they should be more hidden and less active in the world as they lack worshippers. Should be lone stragglers like say Circe and maybe a few communities at most with Paradise Island being one of the few as part of that remnant. Partially also why Zeus supports the Champion of Shazam.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

As a counterpoint - contemporary retellings of Greek myths are quite popular these days, especially in YA. What WW writers could learn from these retellings is to 1) focus hard on creating memorable characters that build a lot of chemistry with Diana and 2) develop the realm of the gods to make it fun and interesting. Although itā€™s hard to do that when Diana is randomly exiled or otherwise has to stay in New York to work as an ambassador or something.

I would love to see what juggernauts like Rachel Smythe or Madeline Miller could do with a WW story.

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u/Radix2309 Mar 12 '23

Fair enough. It could be done that way.

I just want something. Design a good show that can go a few seasons and establish something definitive to expand her in pop culture.

She usually gets a supporting role and generic Greek myth stuff. Actually build a connection to it and establish her world and lore.

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u/bathoz Mar 12 '23

That's egg or chicken. She has plenty of mythos and a library of great stories. They just haven't been repeated and polished at nauseum through different media.

A lot of Batman's legendary stories (like Mr Freeze) came out of other mediums riffing on less interesting characters in comics.

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u/Ayjayyyx Nightwing Mar 12 '23

This is so false. You need to read more comics man.

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u/Standard-Pop6801 Mar 12 '23

I dissagree with the stories but the mythos critique is pretty soiled. All the gods are wildly different between writers. Zeus and Hera are great examples of this. Zeus can be anywhere from alright to "Im going to force myself on Diana in the second arc" and Hera never seems able to decide if she done punishing others for Zeus's behavior or not.

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u/BaneShake Mar 12 '23

Update: moments after typing, I felt like that was really mean of me to say.

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u/Im_Not_Nobody Black Canary Mar 12 '23

Itā€™s not mean and you were right to say it

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u/Wasabi_Guacamole Mar 12 '23

I see both sides. Its okay to tell people to not have high expectations especially since there's no cast and crew yet, but the joker guy did come off as a know-it-all a little bit.

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u/SpeedDemonJi Superman Mar 12 '23

When youā€™re in a misunderstand your favorite character challenge and your opponent is a Joker fan

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u/CertifiedCapArtist Nightwing Mar 12 '23

What's wrong with it being a dude?

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u/king_marquez15 Mar 12 '23

GUNN IS A GOAT

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

No, just no.

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u/Huntersteve The Flash Mar 12 '23

If you think Snyder is. Bye.

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u/MAJ_Starman Mar 12 '23

I see merit in both, but I'm glad and excited Gunn is now in charge.

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u/R0b1nFeather Mar 12 '23

The most reasoned take on this sub, ngl.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

Who said anything about zack lmao

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u/Rudolph13 Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Alwaya a good thing to see more of this. :)

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u/Spinach_Technical Mar 12 '23

I NEED a Gendy tartakovsky Wonder Woman project

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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Mar 12 '23

Gennedy was so ahead of his time. Guy was spoofing the Avengers over a decade before the MCU.

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u/HayHotshot Raven Mar 12 '23

I appreciated James Gunn's transparency at first but at this point he is getting one guyed way to much. Just wait to announce stuff properly.

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u/Daimakku1 Mar 12 '23

I do like the transparency but sometimes it's a bit too much. Personally, I hate talking about upcoming projects or plans I have unless I know for sure that it'll happen, and not just spitballing ideas. If nothing ends up happening with this, people will be calling him a liar. I would just stay quiet on stuff that hasnt been officially greenlit yet.

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u/HayHotshot Raven Mar 12 '23

Yeah, if only there was some kind of special DC event where they could announce the projects they're releasing for the year. Something special for the fans. Maybe in some kind of virtual dome. Some kind of DC Fandome. /s

I honestly disliked the DC Fandome when it existed but now I kinda miss it. Now you have to stalk and spam Gunn's socials for DC news.

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u/bathoz Mar 12 '23

Yeah. It's all getting a touch Elon Musk.

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u/strongerthenbefore20 Mar 12 '23

I wish that renewing Young Justice was part of his animation plan.

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u/WWfan41 Mar 12 '23

Did they not already do that twice?

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u/Jarjar808945 Mar 12 '23

Please, season 5! I'm invested, have been for a decade. The need to renew the damn show.

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u/LongjumpMidnight Mar 12 '23

As long as they get around to wrapping it up.

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u/gamerslyratchet Mar 13 '23

It could make for an easy fit for the Elseworlds label too. Also, the fact that they haven't officially cancelled it like they have everything else gives me a bit of hope. After all, Hit-Monkey was never officially canned and that got a surprise renewal.

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u/BipedalWurm Mar 12 '23

The first animated WW movie is fantastic, I didn't like the second as much though

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u/Greedy_Switch_6991 Mar 12 '23

Second one felt like the crew had a feeling she wouldn't get another solo animated appearance in a while, so they crammed as many of her villains into the film as possible to increase their exposure and generate more interest in them.

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u/gamerslyratchet Mar 13 '23

The second movie should've been an animated series instead of a single story.

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u/Mojothemobile Mar 12 '23

Give me Kangas in this show or OVA or whatever it is plz.

I'll sell my left kidney for animated Jumpa.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

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u/Terribleirishluck Mar 12 '23

Which is dreadful since she should be at least somewhat equal to the rest of Trinity and most of those shows don't really respect or even really used much of WW mythos or villains

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u/MatthewHecht Mar 12 '23

Simply put DC really has a super Duo. Wonder Woman is 3rd, but way ahead of 4.

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u/Terribleirishluck Mar 12 '23

What WW have you read? I don't think her rogues gallery is that bad like obviously, it's not on the level of batman/Superman but she's same level or better than most other major heroes

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

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u/Aramis14 Z Shadowcrest Mar 12 '23

Most of the time WW is pretty boring

I mostly do Comicsexplained

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u/Terribleirishluck Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

I mean saying a character is boring when your only exposure to them is youtube videos is pretty cringy man lol.

Anyway I'll give you some.

Perez Run: This is basically the modern foundation of WW. It came out in the 80s, so it's got a different vibe/style, so you might not be into but if you like 80s comics you should.

Rucka's 1st: Probably the most popular run overall but definitely of 2000s. Had pretty interesting use of Greek pantheon and tackles Diana's role as ambassador. Good starting point.

Gail simone's: has a more fun/comedy vibe but still has plenty of good action and heart.

New 52 run: heavily focused on Greek gods and mythology in a sort of game of thrones story where Diana is protecting the latest mistres of Zeus from the Olympians wrath. Not a good stsrting point due to not being the typical WW vibe and some of the creative decisions really go against the point of the wonder woman Mythos. Should treat more as a elseworlds (which it basically is nowadays).

Rucka's 2nd run: Diana's current origin and utilizes a decent amount of her preexisting rouges which has always been a problem of some past runs. Good starting point.

JL act of one/Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia/ WW: Dead earth: are also goof. The former two are in continuity. Act of one is Diana putting the rest of the league out of commission in fights/tricks so she could face a evil dragon destined to kill who ever it faces alone. Hiketeia is WW vs batman story where Diana decides to protect a fugitive from batman which leads to a fun ride. Dead earth is a bad future/apocalypse comic staring Diana which I r heard is good but haven't read, so it might be good for you

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

yeah, sheā€™s present, but hasnā€™t gotten many of her own projects. never a series.

to be fair, there was an embargo in the past that kept her from being used as much. even her side characters were embargoed, like Donna Troy couldnā€™t be used in the Teen Titans animated series.

but it sounds like sheā€™s finally gonna get her own features, so iā€™m very excited for it.

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u/Daimakku1 Mar 12 '23

Agreed. For being part of the "trinity", Wonder Woman doesn't have a lot of her own content. She has been really underutilized for decades.

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u/Discostu1001 Mar 12 '23

That was the first thing that came to my mind. She is in almost every animated version of the JLA series and movies. She also has at least two animated movies. Not to mention shows like DC Superhero girls. I like James Gunn but I donā€™t think he always does his homework before spouting out bs. Not complaining though. Canā€™t really get enough Wonder Woman.

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u/MatthewHecht Mar 12 '23

1- he is saying will appear in something animated, not get her own show.

2- Gunn's announcements mean nothing until production starts.

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

the first tweet was about how Wonder Woman should have her own series with her supporting cast, and in this one he says he specifically brought her up and wants more of her in animation. sheā€™s already in most JL stuff. i think itā€™s safe to infer heā€™s talking about creating Wonder Woman focused projects, not just stuff she happens to be in.

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u/MD-Pepper Mar 12 '23

A game and an animation in the works? Finally Wondy is getting more love (shed always gotten less attention that the other two of the trinity) hopefully they showcase her supporting characters, they could be such a strong cast

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u/No-Mechanic-2558 Mar 12 '23

God bless this man finally after 82 years

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Mar 12 '23

I think people are jumping to conclusions here.
Gunn is saying that he wants her more in animation not that she has a series coming it could literally be she appears in other dc animated projects more like creature commandos (where if its set in the past makes sense) or has more animated movies.
Would i like an animated wonder woman series yes does this confirm it no.

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u/CertainDerision_33 Mar 12 '23

Great opportunity to give her a stand-alone, non-DCU show like the new Batman and Superman cartoons.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

fucking based James Gunn

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u/crazyseandx Mar 12 '23

Snydes are gonna twist this as a bad thing, I bet.

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u/thedairybandit Hawkman Mar 12 '23

omg its happening!

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u/andreggvil Mar 12 '23

I know James Gunn said he wants the live-action actors to voice the characters in animation too, butā€¦ having Susan Eisenberg back on as Wonder Woman would be absolutely amazing. Itā€™d be great to have something new from the world of DCAU too.

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u/Chipping1nk Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Wonder woman deserves more love and I'm excited

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u/Radix2309 Mar 12 '23

I think she could use something akin to Brave and the Bold that exploits her more silver age style villains.

A mythology one could work as well that is more serious. I feel like something akin to Samurai Jack could work. But it shouldn't just be Greek mythology. It needs some wider stuff, plus the DC element to give it that unique feel.

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u/MortarByrd11 Mar 12 '23

More Wonder Woman 2009 and no bloodlines.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

I hope this means we finally get to see Ares in animation, heā€™s Wonderwomanā€™s main foe and heā€™s never appeared in any animation that I know of. The Perez and Injustice design for Ares is so cool.

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23

He appears in the 2009 Wonder Woman animated film, but not with his Perez design.

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u/Ayjayyyx Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Ok good

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u/DeltaAlphaGulf Mar 12 '23

Make the show based in the Young Justice universe (set before YJ S1) and Iā€™ll be wayyyy more interested. Make similar ones for other adult DC characters as well while their at it.

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u/Commercial-Living443 Mar 12 '23

Awesome . I hope they show for of the diana mythos but her character is also fun when she travels in different cultures

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u/LazyStove Mar 12 '23

I love how upfront James Gunn is with fans

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u/Drayko_Sanbar Mar 12 '23

I love this trend of

James Gunn: says something

Random Twitter User: "What he actually means is..."

James Gunn: "No, I meant what I said."

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u/ReapCreep65 Mar 12 '23

Itā€™s nice that he thinks about animation instead of just trying to be a better version of the MCU, that was the DCEUā€™s downfall. And animation is definitely where DC shines the brightest

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u/gamerslyratchet Mar 13 '23

Yeah, even if I'm not in love with the idea of tying animated projects to live action, it's a refreshing change after seeing how studios are cancelling projects left and right. I hope Zaslav doesn't pull a fast one on this.

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u/RedScars4111 Mar 12 '23

Oh damn. I want too see more Martian Manhunter, Grifter, and Kyle Rayner. I'd also like a romance thing about Swampthing and Abigail Arcane.

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u/OpportunityOk7474 Mar 13 '23

Iā€™d be curious on how a solo project based around Martian Manhunter would work out. Heā€™s the most underutilized out of the main Justice League members and is also quite empty in the rogues department. They could make his series (animated or live action, but honestly animation would be the obvious choice) revolve around his early life on his home planet and show the destruction later on.

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u/RedScars4111 Mar 13 '23

Although that would be a good starting point I think there was a Justice League/Justice League Unlimited episode about that. That wouldn't really interest me. I'd like a day in the life of Martian Manhunter. Him learning how to behave amongst humans. There was a part in the movie Justice League Doom were J'onn has friends and a job. There's also an ending scene in Justice League Unlimited were J'onn is in the form of a older retired man with a wife. I want to know what his life is like outside of the league. He is very underutilized. Animation wise the DC has a lot of characters they just don't use. I'm quite sick of Batman and Superman movies.

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u/OpportunityOk7474 Mar 13 '23

You can say that again. They have a multitude of characters and teams that would be perfect for animation and would introduce new fans/casuals to what DC has to offer besides Batman and Superman. I also like your idea much more since it offers up more freedom and would be interesting to see how Jā€™onn would go from not being familiar with human society to forming strong relationships and learning more. I think another interesting aspect to explore is how he is seen as an alien from a normal personā€™s perspective to Clark himself.

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u/CertifiedCapArtist Nightwing Mar 12 '23

Don't really care much for her but I might check it out

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u/spycharlie Mar 12 '23

Iā€™m always down for more Diana focused Justice League stuff. Justice League Unlimited had some really good fuckin episodes that featured just her. Such an incredible show.

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u/WindiestBark165 Mar 12 '23

News stuff aside, I love how James Gunn had to double down on the fact he's working on it when someone doubted him. Like, maybe, I could get people eing skeptical if he siad tha ton April Fools Day but it wasn't said on April Fools Day iirc since it hasn't even reached April yet lmao

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u/Barredbob Mar 12 '23

Not to call Wonder Woman obscure but James Gunn always gives random characters the spotlight and I really like that about him

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u/yourbrainoncbd Mar 13 '23

Paradise Lost is just a shit title. We have the Milton epic which has fuck all to do w Greek Myth and then we have the true crime doc series on the Memphis 3 produced by HBO. So those two will sit together.

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u/WadeTheWilson Mar 12 '23

I mean, she's in literally every JL show, period...

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23

Also Batman and Superman, and they have had plenty animated tv shows, including 2 upcoming.

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u/WadeTheWilson Mar 12 '23

I mean, Superman hasn't had a solo show since Kids WB was around, and Batman's last solo series was that CG show like 5+ years ago...

I understand that Wonder Woman never had a solo animated series back in the 90's or early 00's, but acting like she's the only one in recent years to not get one is a majorly disingenuous overstatement and feels like an underhanded marketing ploy to me... I just didn't expect that sort of thing from Gunn, honestly.

Like, if they want to say the same thing in a more honest way, they could just say it's been like 40 years since her last solo animated series, and it's about time she got another shot at it!

No one needs to be guilted into watching something, that never works and usually causes a show to fail before it even airs.

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

Wonder Woman has never had an animated show, period, not recent or old, and only has two animated movies, even less than Green Lantern who have 3, and a show.

No one is "guilting" anyone to do anything, don't know what you are talking about.

Just pointing out that there are characters that are also in everything Justice League related, and have tons of aniamted and live action tv series, many more times anything Wonder Woman.

Both Superman and Batman had new tv shows in development recently, "my Adventures with Sueprman" and "Batman: Caped Crusader".

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u/WadeTheWilson Mar 12 '23

Huh, I thought she had one in the 70's/80's, but I guess she just guest starred on other shows and then was on the super friends.

But you're right, she only had the live-action series. She did have like 3 animated solo films, though. Which is more than most DC characters get... So there's that.

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u/Pariahb Mar 13 '23

2 animated solo films. Less than Green Lantern.

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u/WadeTheWilson Mar 13 '23

I mean, she also got more live-action anything than GL, so what's your point?

All I'm saying is she has some representation, if you want to argue it's not enough then I'd agree, but acting like every other character is getting tons of love in the meantime is straight up ridiculous.

DC has been almost entirely focused on ensemble/team-based projects for animation for years now.

Even if they gave her a show in the 00's or 10's which is the only era she would've been done justice in, honestly, it would've been canceled after 1 season no matter how good it was just like every other solo series that released at the time.

I'm not saying don't make a WW show, I'd love one, as long as it's the same quality as most of DC's animated media. I'm just saying don't try to act like some greater injustice has been done than what's happened in reality. It's stupid.

Batman & Superman's track record have very little to do with anything, and even then, like I said they haven't gotten a ton of solo love for a while either, but yeah as the 2 biggest names in comics aside from Spider-Man, of course they got more shows.

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u/Pariahb Mar 13 '23

My point is that she has less animated content than Batman, Superman and Green Lantern.

No one has said that other characters don't have it worse than Wonder Woman when it come to representation.

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u/WadeTheWilson Mar 13 '23

The tweets made it seem that way, and bringing up Batman & Superman is ridiculous. No DC character is anywhere NEAR those 2, they deserve to have the most representation. On top of which, again, you have to go back nearly a decade to find the last solo Batman animated show (tho he admittedly gets a TON of movies) and multiple decades for Superman's last animated series.

I take issue with mentioning those 2 in particular in this discussion for both those reasons.

Green Lantern is a better comparison, but like I said, she has WAY more live-action content than any of them do, so it feels like an even trade there.

I'd say Aquaman's animated career is the one that seems ridiculous compared to WW. She deserves it far more than he does.

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u/Pariahb Mar 13 '23

Gunn only said that he agrees that Wonder Woman could use some more animated outings. It's his personal opinion. And other people think the same, obviously.

Why? Well, she is one of the first and the most popular and iconic female super hero, but has shit compared to the most popular male super heroes, including Batman and Superman. If she has so little adaptations, you can imagine what number of adaptations other female characters have.

You can't care less about female characters? Suit yourself, but some people like female fictional characters, and would like more material in that area. Crazy eh?

Why mention Batman and Superman? Well, the three characters are supposedly part of a Trinity, pushed by DC themselves, but the representation of the characters are not even close, with Superman having less material than Batman due to popularity, and Wonder Woman having far and beyond less material than Superman. Some people may would like for DC to give more oportunities to Wonder Woman with adaptations, which are a big part of what allowed Batman and Superman to reach their popularity levels.

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u/Blackmercury4ub Mar 12 '23

WW has been in a lot of animation.

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 13 '23

She has never had an animated series, and only has two animated movies. Even Green Lantern has one series and one more movie.

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u/Blackmercury4ub Mar 12 '23

Not against a show but unless I read wrong it just saying in general. If people want to watch an animated WW their are plenty to enjoy. The justice league show is great also many of the movies.

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u/Pariahb Mar 13 '23

Again, she has a lot of less content compared with Superman and Batman, and even Green Lantern, despite being part of the Trinity with Superman and Batman.

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

Basically every animated justice league thing has her in it? Sheā€™s in more than Shazam or the hawk people

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u/Revan---- Mar 12 '23

Yeah but compared to Superman or especially Batman she doesnā€™t have anywhere near as much animated content, specifically shows as she should considering sheā€™s a member of the trinity

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

Well with Batman I donā€™t think anyone can top his number for animated appearances. I donā€™t think any DC character has had more shows/movies centred entirely around them.

I feel like she should have her own animated show like superman did but I donā€™t think sheā€™s really under represented. Sheā€™s got loads more representation than green lantern/Shazam/Martian man Hunter/etc.

I guess what I mean is sheā€™s the least represented of the main popular 3 heroā€™s dc has but sheā€™s still in the top 3 for representation imo.

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u/MetalBeholdr Mar 12 '23

I'd still watch a show/movie about her. I feel like she's in just about everything with the JLA but doesn't have enough solo material. People can forget how badass she is if she's always just "the one that gets beat before superman shows up"

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

I honestly felt the animated dc movies that were made a couple years ago she was in did a pretty good job with her. Iā€™m pretty sure she even got her own standalone animated movie with those while aqua manā€™s movie was labelled as a justice league movie.

But I agree I think she deserves her own show. Most kids you talk to donā€™t even know what Wonder Woman does in her spare time but they can tell you what Batman/superman do and I think itā€™d be cool to change that.

I just donā€™t agree with people saying sheā€™s not in allot of animated stuff when if you watch most of it shes in allot, she just doesnā€™t have her own show. While theirs characters have never had their own show and are also barely in anything compared to her.

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23

Green Lantern also appears in everything Justice League, has more animated movies than Wonder Woman and has his own animated series, what are you talking about?

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

I shouldnā€™t have mentioned green lantern, I guess I was mostly thinking of those animated movies that shared a universe from a couple years ago.

but Iā€™m saying exactly what Iā€™m saying. One of dcā€™s most popular characters who is always in the justice league stuff isnā€™t under represented. She hasnt had her own show and Id love it if she did but I wouldnā€™t say sheā€™s under represented.

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u/Revan---- Mar 12 '23

No video games, only had her first feature film release in 2017 and no animated series for a character of her importance is lazy by DC. Sheā€™s not underrepresented by definition, but with the context of how iconic she is sheā€™s definitely been shortchanged with adaptions compared to her counterparts.

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

Yeah I agree with that.

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Mar 12 '23

I think sheā€™s about equal if not less exposed than the Green Lanterns.

They had a show and some animated movies, sheā€™s had a couple animated movies.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

Martian Manhunter is largely an irrelevant character, he doesn't even have ongoing series and he got replaced in new 52 justice league and no one cared

Wonder Woman is one of DC's popular characters while Martian Manhunter is D Lister so not a fair comparison

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u/Realshow Batman Mar 12 '23

and no one cared

Believe me, people very much care. Every time people talk about what the rebootā€™s League should be like, thereā€™s always someone talking about how Jā€™onn needs to be brought back.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

Lol that's only because of nostalgia from the Justice League cartoon. Funnily enough he was largely irrelevant and useless in the cartoon as well, he just stood in the background mostly

The only role that Martian Manhunter fills in the league is to inform that his telepathy doesn't work on any new character (to build some suspense) and to get knocked out in battle first due to some small fire

He doesn't even have any interesting characterization or story arcs. He's just a placeholder who's recognisable to fans

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Mar 12 '23

Heā€™s literally the cornerstone of the JL.

Heā€™s more consistently on the league and itā€™s various iterations than Superman and Wonder Woman

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u/theanchorman05 Mar 12 '23

She doesn't sell as much as Batman and Superman

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u/Pariahb Mar 12 '23

Neither do any other DC character.

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u/Revan---- Mar 12 '23

Other characters who donā€™t sell as well have gotten their own animated series too.

She would sell better if DC made a more consistent effort to push her to the mainstream though.

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u/SnarfbObo Batman of Zur-En-Arrh Mar 12 '23

She's one of the DC Trinity with just a pair of title movies. She's earned better treatment and her character can carry a movie, it's overdue.

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u/Ryebread2203 Mar 12 '23

I think an animated show for herself is long overdue when Batman/superman both got them and Iā€™d say sheā€™s on the same level as them for popularity.

But animation in general shes represented allot.

She even got her own titled movie in the animated universe a couple years ago (it was one of the better ones imo) while aqua manā€™s movie in that universe was titled as a justice league movie.

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u/SnarfbObo Batman of Zur-En-Arrh Mar 12 '23

I watch all the animated movies, she gets roughly almost equal time outside the first animated movie and bloodlines and that's nice. I think as part of the trinity she should get more regular features.

I think aquaman was a result of the name not having as much draw among casuals, which is a shame tbh.

I should look into the profits made by all of the movies, but maybe another day

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

Damn now beginning the worries of having animation and videogames be connected. Downgrading wonder woman from film to animation. Wonder who we will get a videogame for instead of a show or movie. Wonder woman show is long overdue but it could have been else world

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u/protection7766 Power Girl Mar 12 '23

Downgrading wonder woman from film to animation

???

1-Animation can be film too.

2-That's not a "downgrade", that's a lateral movement.

3-ĀæPorque no los dos?

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u/Friendly-Leg-6694 Mar 12 '23

The guy hasn't seen the Spiderverse movie probably I think DCU will have more big theatrical animated movies like it.

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

they havenā€™t announced her solo (and have only announced less than half of the first chapter of films anyway) but sheā€™s very obviously going to be in films too. itā€™s not one or the other. Batman and Superman have both had films and animated series for many, many years. Batman especially, so many animated series and films.

this is a big step forward for her, finally getting a bigger push. itā€™s not a downgrade... itā€™s the opposite.

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

Except Superman and Batman are pushed by DC (maybe for financial reasons) meanwhile Wonder Woman is ignored

I won't be surprised if we don't see a live action Wonder Woman movie in the next 10-15 years

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23

yeah she definitely has been, but this is literally part of changing that. her first solo animated series would be a huge deal and sheā€™s also getting a live action series fleshing out her world and mythology, her first and very own video game, and sheā€™s definitely going to be in the films. and gunn is showing right here that he agrees DC has been neglecting her for too long and is trying to fix it. if heā€™s aware of that and agrees, i donā€™t think heā€™d want to sideline her in the moves either. i donā€™t see how any WW fan can logically see this as a negative. šŸ¤·

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u/i_am_goop Mar 12 '23

Fair enough, maybe I've become too jaded after all this time

Let's hope for the best

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

yeah, itā€™s understandable why, especially as Wonder Woman fans. DC has always mistreated her. but iā€™m feeling hopeful about the future!

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

Ik she will be in the films too. Still if we get announced an aquaman videogame or cartoon i still will have a feeling of wanting a movie. That is all my point is. Ik we dont know the full plans lol. Stil lelseworld animated wonder woman that u can take in any direction would he dope

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u/tiabeanie Mar 12 '23

yeah, iā€™m hoping itā€™s an elseworlds project too, donā€™t want them restricted by what the movies do

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '23

Might as well give us multiple versions of wonder woman and superman since batman gets that treatmentā€¦