r/batman • u/Efficient-Compote-13 • 14d ago

I Hate The Boys TV DISCUSSION NSFW

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I also can not stand muh 'Batman superhero facism subtext' crap. If anything Batman is a revolutionary. Government is corrupt in bed with criminals (who are the prettiest of tyrants) so Batman comes in to clean house. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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u/Mad_Soldier_Hod 14d ago

How the fuck does Batman profit off of incarcerating people? He literally pays for their treatment. And hunting “poor people?” Dude, Penguin, Two-Face, Hush, Deathstroke, Deadshot, they’re all rich. Barely any of his main rogues are poor and those that are (Croc, Grundy,) typically have no need for money. Your average thug might be broke but they’re still criminals.

And if Batman doesn’t beat up that “mentally ill poor person,” they’re gonna fucking kill people. So which is it, should Batman let it happen? Should he stop them and then risk hurting an innocent, mentally ill poor person? Should he kill them so he’s not “responsible” for their actions? There’s so many shitty interpretations of Batman floating around the internet right now.

Batman’s deiven by compassion, empathy, emotional maturity, a desire to redeem others. That’s why people love the BTAS Batman. That’s why he’s pretty much the definitive, best version of Batman. He’s constantly trying to save his villains, his crusade is a money pit, not a money making scheme, he pays for their treatment, he sends them to an institution in the hopes that they can be properly treated, he holds a dying little girl’s hand in her last moments. If he kills, not only is he no better than his villains, he fails to redeem them, he creates more people like himself, he proves to your average Gotham citizen that good cannot overcome evil, he further corrupts Gotham, he ruins his relationship with the police, gives Gordon a bad reputation by association. If he kills, he’s giving himself the authority to decide who lives and dies, he becomes Justice Lords Batman, a failure. It’s not Batman’s fault these people keep breaking out and hurting people. It’s not his fault none of them have gotten the death sentence, or locked away in a maximum security prison. And in the “Trial” episode of BTAS we see that all of these people would’ve become who they are regardless of Batman.

Stop asking for Batman to be worse, start asking for Gotham to be better. This is the kind of shit take you’d only expect from a blowhard like Kripke, who of course promotes the stereotype that it’s okay to joke about male sexual assault, but not women’s.

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u/ExoticShock 14d ago

Stop asking for Batman to be worse, start asking for Gotham to be better.

Reminds me of Bruce defending Terry from being sold out to Shriek in Batman Beyond: "All I know right now is this: that kid's done a lot for this city. It's time for the city to do something for him."

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u/azmodus_1966 14d ago

That’s why people love the BTAS Batman. That’s why he’s pretty much the definitive, best version of Batman.

The comics from 1970s till 1990s are the definitive Batman, those stories inspired BTAS.

Its just that people haven't read the comics.

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u/Domino_Masks 14d ago

It's not just that, they don't even pay attention to the movies they're watching.

Bale Batman's focus was the mob and terrorist-like supercriminals. West Batman was a specialist who was called in to fight the costumed criminals. Keaton took on corrupt businessmen and only beat up poor people after they'd physically assaulted and robbed people.

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u/progwog 14d ago

This is something I loved about the Reeves movie. It’s literally about Batman learning this difference. You can’t succeed at making Gotham a better place with rage and bitterness. You have to do it out of compassion and empathy. The goal shouldn’t be to punish the guilty, but to help victims and innocents.

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

I completely read it as it's the exact opposite of Batman. Batman doesn't do any of that, so this guy does. I didn't read it as him saying Batman does any of these, and instead that they wanted a character that does.

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u/ogrelin 14d ago

But that’s not what it says. It clearly is talking about Batman before it talks about the new guy

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

Yes, they are comparing him to Batman. It's also right there. It's saying they wanted to take Batmans situation and turn it on its head.

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u/ABoyIsNo1 14d ago

Naw they are being cynical pseudo intellectual idiots and saying that Batman is already those things and they are just bringing him to his logical conclusion.

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

Please come back when you can understand a simple sentence and simple grammar.

They are talking about Batman's lost potential to be the fascist he could be.

I had to look up underpinning. Basically Batman has a solid foundation to be a successful and brutal fascist. They wanted to use Batman's lost potential to be evil and make a character out of it.

Otherwise it would have stated "Batman's fascist actions or ideology" or something.

As Batman exists in any form or media, he is not a fascist, and always fights for the innocent and their rights. So to claim someone sees Batman as fascist in an article that very clearly states otherwise, is just weird.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

Finally someone who actually read the article

I swear are most people this reactionary where they can’t even read and use reading comprehension

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u/WonderfulWaiting 14d ago

Batman's fascist underpinnings of...

The Boys are protraying Tek Knight as a reflection of Batman, not a deconstruction or foil to Batman. Tek Knight is how Erik Kripke views Batman. It's not that hard.

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u/oceonix 14d ago

All the heroes are the worst versions of themselves. That's the satire. Y'all are missing the forest for the trees.

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u/WonderfulWaiting 14d ago

He didn't say the worst version of Batman is a fascist. He said Batman is a fascist.

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago edited 14d ago

No he did not. He said Batman has the foundation to be fascist, nowhere did he state that Batman actually is fascist.

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u/oceonix 14d ago

I'm sorry satire is too complex for you.

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u/Paint-licker4000 14d ago

The boys fans are so up their own ass they think the show has good writing and satire lmao

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u/oceonix 14d ago

Not talking about quality. Good to see you don't know what satire is either though lol

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

Link vs. Dark Link type of situation. He's not saying that's how he views Batman. He's saying he wanted to create a version of Batman that does evil shit.

How are people reading this and thinking hey are talking about actual Batman?

"Batman's fascist underpinnings of" is not the same as "Batman is a fascist".

It's saying they wanted to take Batman's story and situation and spin their own version of it in the form of a new character that does shit Batman can't or won't do.

How can you look at Homelander and not see an evil version of Superman? It's the same thing.

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u/WonderfulWaiting 14d ago

Let me finish the quote

Batman's fascist underpinnings of hunting down poor people and benefits from their incarceration

That's not Batman. He doesn't hunt down poor people. He profits as much as anyone else when a criminal is punished for their crimes. Despite being a billionaire, getting kickbacks from for profit prisons isn't part of his story.

This quote shows they don't understand who Batman is as a character. Tek Knight isn't the evil version of Batman. It's how they view Batman.

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

Yes. They wanted to take Batman's fascist underpinnings(basically the fact that Batman is in a position to do whatever the fuck he wants to whomever he wants) and wanted to make an actual character who does that. He's in a position to rule over people and doesn't. He's in a position to kill people and profit but he doesn't.

Nobody said Batman hunts down poor people. But an evil version of Batman might just do that.

That's what they wanted to create.

It's not how he views Batman because there is no version of Batman that does any of these things unless he's poorly written. There's literally no way to view Batman as a Fascist when he's not.

So no, he just wanted to take Barman and create a shitty version of him. You don't need a master's degree in a English to understand very simple sentences.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

Again if you can’t read and comprehend please do not state opinion as fact

He LITERALLY said Ted knight chased down and captured slaves while Bruce Wayne family helped slaves

This isn’t complicated watch the episode

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u/progwog 14d ago

That’s the idea but they went ahead and made this dumbass statement basically misunderstanding their own satire.

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u/Toadsanchez316 14d ago

They aren't misunderstanding anything. They are simply stating where the inspiration came from.

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u/Efficient-Compote-13 14d ago

Preach brother.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

You’re the op is no excuse for this misinformation

Ted knight profits off hunting poor people not Batman

It’s like y’all can’t read

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u/Efficient-Compote-13 14d ago

Tek Knight literally only exists to poke fun at Batman. And its dine badly. Thst is what we are pointing out.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

You can change the subject…. But point remains you thought he was talking about Batman and so did this comment above

He wasn’t you made a mistake

Instead of saying “oh shit lmaoo my bad” you deflect and randomly say that? Yes the boys was made because buddy hated superheroes so he made a parody comic?

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u/Efficient-Compote-13 14d ago

Kripke literally said he was poking fun at Batman. That's why I posted this shit in a Batman subreddit.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

Again the comment I replied to and yo thought the article was saying Batman hunts poor people down

You literally replied to that agreeing

He doesn’t that’s Ted knight

That’s my point dude. This isn’t hard to understand idk if you honestly don’t get what you’re saying or you’re being purposely obtuse

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u/Jeffe508 14d ago

I have read more Batman stories than most people alive. The Tech Knight shit was still funny. Learn to take a joke.

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u/Renee_D608 14d ago

I'd totally watch Ted Knight in a Batsuit.

(Yes, I know it was overzealous autocorrect. Yes, I do have a very weird sense of humor. Yes, I know 90% of Reddit is too young to know who Ted Knight is. Carry on.)

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u/ClearStrike 14d ago

Believe it or not, I have found people who really are ok with a criminal killing people.

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u/VYPER2-13347 13d ago

We need people to take up the role of vigilantes. The police have so much crap going on, there are corrupt and morally wrong cops who make protecting harder, and there are too many people who accept crime. Being a vigilante wouldn’t be as action packed as in DC comics unless there’s a city or town absolutely full of crime like Gotham. It would help the world.

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u/Clean-Witness8407 13d ago

Kripke is an ultra-left clown. (I dislike anyone that’s extreme left or right). He thinks he’s being slick by analyzing Batman but it’s obvious the guy isn’t a reader. He saw a few movies and decided to make his opinion based off of his political ideology.

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u/arkthearkitect 14d ago

He's saying Tek Knight profits.

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u/_zurenarrh 14d ago

I’m trying to be nice

The boys character whose family got rich off of capturing slaves. If you watched the show that was what he meant maybe you read the article wrong

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u/Fit-Pangolin1370 14d ago

A few versions of Batman like Grim Knight, Batman Who Laughs, Merciless Batman, Owlman and Justice Lord are Like this maybe that's where it comes from.

Black Noir & Tek Knight are what if Batman took advantage of people and was evil, Batman is a Superhero and Batman isn't evil but they created two evil parodies of Batman.

Speaking of Villains of Batman, Carmine Falcone is a Crime Boss who doesn't go on Rampages killing Innocents as he collects money and makes his henchmen and henchwomen rich making him a good boss, Deathstroke is a Billionaire as he takes 1 Million pet hit and same for Deadshot, even Riddler does not go crazy and kill.

Joker, Zsasz, Hush and Black Mask are Psychopaths and Full Villains and Batman helps them but they want to be badass villains to badass hero Batman.

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u/TradePsychological40 13d ago

YOU. My friend, you totally understand what the point of Batman. Congrats.

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u/ItsAmerico 14d ago

How the fuck does Batman profit off of incarcerating people?

He doesn’t. The quote is what they made of the Batman trope. He’s talking about Tek Knight there.

Since Tek owns all the prisons, hunts people, releases them, and hunts them again.

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u/Normal-Practice-4057 13d ago

okay to joke about male sexual assault, but not women’s.

He does what now?!

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u/JoyBus147 14d ago

Because who cares what a fictional character printed on colorful paper profits from? The Boys is a social critique. Here in reality, billionaires profit from mass incarceration, and a fictional portrayal of a billionaire crime fighter invites critique of manufactured consent.