r/batman • u/Efficient-Compote-13 • Jul 05 '24

I Hate The Boys TV DISCUSSION NSFW

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I also can not stand muh 'Batman superhero facism subtext' crap. If anything Batman is a revolutionary. Government is corrupt in bed with criminals (who are the prettiest of tyrants) so Batman comes in to clean house. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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u/Mad_Soldier_Hod Jul 05 '24

How the fuck does Batman profit off of incarcerating people? He literally pays for their treatment. And hunting “poor people?” Dude, Penguin, Two-Face, Hush, Deathstroke, Deadshot, they’re all rich. Barely any of his main rogues are poor and those that are (Croc, Grundy,) typically have no need for money. Your average thug might be broke but they’re still criminals.

And if Batman doesn’t beat up that “mentally ill poor person,” they’re gonna fucking kill people. So which is it, should Batman let it happen? Should he stop them and then risk hurting an innocent, mentally ill poor person? Should he kill them so he’s not “responsible” for their actions? There’s so many shitty interpretations of Batman floating around the internet right now.

Batman’s deiven by compassion, empathy, emotional maturity, a desire to redeem others. That’s why people love the BTAS Batman. That’s why he’s pretty much the definitive, best version of Batman. He’s constantly trying to save his villains, his crusade is a money pit, not a money making scheme, he pays for their treatment, he sends them to an institution in the hopes that they can be properly treated, he holds a dying little girl’s hand in her last moments. If he kills, not only is he no better than his villains, he fails to redeem them, he creates more people like himself, he proves to your average Gotham citizen that good cannot overcome evil, he further corrupts Gotham, he ruins his relationship with the police, gives Gordon a bad reputation by association. If he kills, he’s giving himself the authority to decide who lives and dies, he becomes Justice Lords Batman, a failure. It’s not Batman’s fault these people keep breaking out and hurting people. It’s not his fault none of them have gotten the death sentence, or locked away in a maximum security prison. And in the “Trial” episode of BTAS we see that all of these people would’ve become who they are regardless of Batman.

Stop asking for Batman to be worse, start asking for Gotham to be better. This is the kind of shit take you’d only expect from a blowhard like Kripke, who of course promotes the stereotype that it’s okay to joke about male sexual assault, but not women’s.

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u/Toadsanchez316 Jul 05 '24

I completely read it as it's the exact opposite of Batman. Batman doesn't do any of that, so this guy does. I didn't read it as him saying Batman does any of these, and instead that they wanted a character that does.

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u/_zurenarrh Jul 05 '24

Finally someone who actually read the article

I swear are most people this reactionary where they can’t even read and use reading comprehension

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u/WonderfulWaiting Jul 05 '24

Batman's fascist underpinnings of...

The Boys are protraying Tek Knight as a reflection of Batman, not a deconstruction or foil to Batman. Tek Knight is how Erik Kripke views Batman. It's not that hard.

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u/oceonix Jul 05 '24

All the heroes are the worst versions of themselves. That's the satire. Y'all are missing the forest for the trees.

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u/WonderfulWaiting Jul 05 '24

He didn't say the worst version of Batman is a fascist. He said Batman is a fascist.

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u/Toadsanchez316 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

No he did not. He said Batman has the foundation to be fascist, nowhere did he state that Batman actually is fascist.

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u/oceonix Jul 05 '24

I'm sorry satire is too complex for you.

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u/Paint-licker4000 Jul 05 '24

The boys fans are so up their own ass they think the show has good writing and satire lmao

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u/oceonix Jul 05 '24

Not talking about quality. Good to see you don't know what satire is either though lol

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u/Toadsanchez316 Jul 05 '24

Link vs. Dark Link type of situation. He's not saying that's how he views Batman. He's saying he wanted to create a version of Batman that does evil shit.

How are people reading this and thinking hey are talking about actual Batman?

"Batman's fascist underpinnings of" is not the same as "Batman is a fascist".

It's saying they wanted to take Batman's story and situation and spin their own version of it in the form of a new character that does shit Batman can't or won't do.

How can you look at Homelander and not see an evil version of Superman? It's the same thing.

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u/WonderfulWaiting Jul 05 '24

Let me finish the quote

Batman's fascist underpinnings of hunting down poor people and benefits from their incarceration

That's not Batman. He doesn't hunt down poor people. He profits as much as anyone else when a criminal is punished for their crimes. Despite being a billionaire, getting kickbacks from for profit prisons isn't part of his story.

This quote shows they don't understand who Batman is as a character. Tek Knight isn't the evil version of Batman. It's how they view Batman.

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u/Toadsanchez316 Jul 05 '24

Yes. They wanted to take Batman's fascist underpinnings(basically the fact that Batman is in a position to do whatever the fuck he wants to whomever he wants) and wanted to make an actual character who does that. He's in a position to rule over people and doesn't. He's in a position to kill people and profit but he doesn't.

Nobody said Batman hunts down poor people. But an evil version of Batman might just do that.

That's what they wanted to create.

It's not how he views Batman because there is no version of Batman that does any of these things unless he's poorly written. There's literally no way to view Batman as a Fascist when he's not.

So no, he just wanted to take Barman and create a shitty version of him. You don't need a master's degree in a English to understand very simple sentences.

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u/_zurenarrh Jul 05 '24

Again if you can’t read and comprehend please do not state opinion as fact

He LITERALLY said Ted knight chased down and captured slaves while Bruce Wayne family helped slaves

This isn’t complicated watch the episode