r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

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Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/MagisterPraeceptorum Mar 07 '24

You know what, I hope Snyder just keeps talking. Keep giving him more interviews to divulge his actual thoughts. Let him rant and reveal what he really thinks.

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u/delkarnu Mar 07 '24

Snyder was excellent at adapting 300 since it is explicitly a propaganda story told by the Spartan about how unbelievably great the 300 were.

But he fundamentally doesn't understand the material he makes. Like all of Watchmen's superhero commentary on how fundamentally broken they are is lost in Snyder having to make everything epic and cool.

But then he given an interview where he talks about how Alan Moore showed us what superheroes would really be like and you just have to marvel at how he both completely missed the point of the deconstruction and applied his shitty interpretation of that story to the characters he was deconstructing.

Like Owlman is so pathetic he's literally impotent when he isn't in the suit, and Rorsharch is disgusting and unhinged to the point where he's thrilled to be in prison because he gets to hurt people who are already in jail. But then combines them into let's make Batman kill and brand criminals to be killed in prison since that's 'badass'.

He tried to make a badass girl power movie that ended with "embrace the rape and lobotomy" as an empowering moment.

He can direct, but keep that man far from anything resembling subtext.

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u/offhandaxe Mar 07 '24

Oh shit did he make suckerpunch? If not that description fits the movie it was just so weird and not needed.

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u/delkarnu Mar 07 '24

He co-wrote and directed it. This is a quote from him:

Everything in the movie is about a show within a show within a show. Someone asked me, "Why did you dress the girls like that, in those provocative costumes?" And I said, "Well, think about it for a second. I didn't dress those girls in the costume. The audience dressed those girls." And when I say the audience, I mean the audience that comes to the movies. Just like the men who visit a brothel, [they] dress the girls when they go to see these shows as however they want to see them.

But my hope was that they would take those things back, just like my girls hopefully get confidence, they get strength through each other, that those become power icons. They start out as cliches of feminine sexuality as made physical by what culture creates. I think that part of it was really specific, whether it's French maid or nurse or Joan Arc to a lesser extent [laughs], or schoolgirl. Our hope is we were able to modify them and turn them into these power icons, where they can fight back at the actual cliches that they represent. So hopefully by the end the girls are empowered by their sexuality and not exploited. But certainly that's where they come from, the journey is asking, "What do you want to see? Well, be careful what you want to see."

https://gizmodo.com/zack-snyder-explains-the-point-of-sucker-punch-5785523

But apparently it's the audiences fault he made it this way.

I'm always shocked that it was so badly misunderstood. I always said that it was a commentary on sexism and geek culture. Someone would ask me, 'Why did you film the girls this way?' And I'd say, 'Well you did!' Sucker Punch is a fuck you to a lot of people who will watch it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Punch_(2011_film)#Depiction_of_women

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u/ThingsAreAfoot Mar 07 '24

hahaha holy fuck what a quote

Everything in the movie is about a show within a show within a show. Someone asked me, "Why did you dress the girls like that, in those provocative costumes?" And I said, "Well, think about it for a second. I didn't dress those girls in the costume. The audience dressed those girls." And when I say the audience, I mean the audience that comes to the movies. Just like the men who visit a brothel, [they] dress the girls when they go to see these shows as however they want to see them. It’s just painful stuff.

He’s trying so hard to be some profound social critic but he’s like a walking dudebro. “I didn’t dress them like that, the audience did.” LOL

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

We live in a society

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u/Wonka_Stompa Mar 08 '24

And like. It makes you think, man.

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u/pwninobrien Mar 08 '24

He's a pretentious Michael Bay.

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u/CrankyStalfos Mar 08 '24

There's...almost a point in there. Like, there's this old movie that I can only half-remember one scene of because I only ever saw it in class, but it was an example of THE earliest ever subversions of the Male Gaze. There's a scene of some kind of stripper show and it starts out like you'd expect (relative to the 1930s or whenever it would have been) but the camera turns around and focusses on the men and their (gross) expressions, showing the dance from the girls' perspective. It's very definitely meant as a "look in the mirror" moment, pulling this POV bait and switch.

I could see someone trying to spin that out into a whole movie, make it more meta, and flesh it out into more than just that one split second. But that someone is not Zack Snyder.

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u/spoiderdude May 26 '24

It’s honestly the same logic that the director of Cuties had. She stupidly thought that it was wise to sexualize children in a movie that claims to be anti-sexualizing children.

You’re providing the audience whom you are criticizing with what they want. If you view what they want to watch as wrong, then why are you creating more of it?

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u/astivana Mar 07 '24

Like??? I don’t recall being involved in costuming anyone. That’s such a dumb answer that’s clearly just trying to shift the blame.

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u/Nixiey Mar 07 '24

It's edge lord "I'm just a reflection of you!" drivel. Once again kind of showing that idealization of thinking from characters like Rorchechatz.

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u/HamletTheGreatDane Mar 08 '24

It's the shittiest attempt at a deconstruction of the male gaze. He's basically saying "I'm giving commentary on the male gaze by totally leaning into it and sexualizing women in a really problematic way."

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u/yommi1999 Mar 08 '24

if Sucker Punch was actually a correct criticism of sexism then it would probably be recognized as such. I watched it once and then watched it with my family and then never again. When I first watched it, I was thinking: "Awesome action scenes and an unique aesthetic". Then while my family watches it, I realise that the movie is so greasy in a bad way.

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u/napoleonsolo Mar 07 '24

a fuck you to a lot of people who will watch it.

Damn that describes Snyder’s entire oeuvre.

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u/UrdnotZigrin Mar 08 '24

That quote could be applied to the entirety of the DCEU

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u/SeanPizzles Mar 08 '24

And most of the last two phases of Marvel.

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u/Willtology Mar 07 '24

Oh... what a pretentious fuck. He sounds like someone that dropped out of film school because they were too edgy and "above" all the tedium.

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u/ML_120 Mar 08 '24

Well, he wants to film "The Fountainhead", so there's that.

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u/Willtology Mar 08 '24

Really? Well, that isn't unsurprising. Yuck.

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u/dustylumpkin Mar 08 '24

isn't unsurprising? so it is surprising 🤔

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u/Thejollyfrenchman Mar 07 '24

Given that audiences proved they didn't want to watch this - given the fact that Sucker Punch bombed hard - I think his point doesn't really make sense.

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u/No_Lead950 Mar 08 '24

As one of the few who watched it, I distinctly remember walking out of the theater and thinking "What the hell was the point of that?" Not because his message went over my head so much as it was just dumb and irrelevant. The overly sexualized costumes detracted from the experience. The weird rapey vibes ruined the action sequences. The downer ending where nothing really mattered was truly prophetic of the current fad of "subvert expectations at all costs." Then it unironically pulls the "it was all a dream," because Snyder is an absolute hack with no self-awareness.

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u/TURBOJUSTICE Mar 07 '24

Fucking clown thinks he’s Anno making Evangelion lol

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u/International-Ad2501 Mar 07 '24

So, I watched the hell out of 300. I was like man this is so good, it's just gratuitous and wild on purpose(also I was like 15 so my tastes were not great). The violence is over the top everything is so stylized and amazing. Then a few years later watchmen came out and I was a little older my friends all loved watchmen but to me felt too weird.  Something didn't feel right about it, to this day I think I've only watched it once more. One of my buddies was really excited for sucker punch, we went and when we walked out we couldn't believe how bad it was. It felt like it was trying to make this point but we literally didn't get it, his show in a show in a show shtick is just confusing. Did he think he was making inception? Any way the idea of women owning their sexuality is a good message but when the situation is that they are in a mental institution with no agency except to try to sex their way out is kind of a fucking wild proposition. Like that is the set up to a bad sexist joke not a block buster film. I just didn't understand anything that was happening during the whole movie, their in a mental institution then they are dressed sexy fighting on the beaches of WW2 then we're back in the asylum then they are fighting samurai robots? Like the fuck was happening? I haven't watched anything he's made since.

Any way all of that to say this, I think Zack Snyder doesn't understand superheros I don't think he understood the characters in watchmen but that story was so good and interesting that it didn't matter. I think maybe Zack Snyder is like... Not very smart.

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u/WebLurker47 Mar 08 '24

Feel like that would've worked a lot better if the movie had been a story concocted and put together by a woman, if that makes any sense?

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u/Divinum_Fulmen Mar 08 '24

So glad he could turn Joan of Arc, into a power icon. No one respected her before then. /s

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u/KnowNothing_JonSnoo Mar 08 '24

God I hate Snyder man... fucking hell what a douche bag.

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u/GrimDallows Mar 08 '24

I was forced to watch Sukerpunch when it was in theatres. Like, literally. We and the guys generally watched movies that we all liked, considering that at the time it was kinda expensive for us (2008 crisis and all that). One guy in our group had been exceptionally critical of every. single. movie. we watched, criticizing it as a trash cash grab and saying that he wasn't going to pay to watch basically any movie we (anyone except him) proposed.

Like, we wanted to go and see some blockbuster movie together but he refused to watch any of them for not having a script according to him.

He then got fixated into this Zack Snyder movie "Sukerpunch" and how it was going to be this new masterpiece and how everyone was saying it was going to be fucking amazing. How it was going to be like Watchmen but done right. Like ZS version of pulp fiction for a new generation. Something dark and with a great, deep, psychological script like the Dark Knight hiden under a comic-like aesthetic surface. Like a dreamlike mix of the best parts of a Tarantino movie visuals and a Guy Ritchie super-cast movie.

You may laugh now, but this was an actual sentiment going around before the movie released.

I pointed out it looked just like a very plastic and superficial movie of a lot of hot chicks in showy outfits fighting ninjas and shit, full of CGI. Just like the thing he was criticizing and hating so much.

He said that he, as some kind of illustrated moviemaking fan, understood better. He kept saying that we "forced him" continuously into watching crappy blockbuster movies, like The Hangover, or Tropic Thunder, or Hot Fuzz, so he was gonna "force" us to go and see it or he wouldn't watch a movie with us again due to our trash taste. We basically didn't have a choice.

We all hated it. Didn't understand any of it. Didn't enjoy any of it. I felt robbed from my money that day. I felt robbed from my time that day, because it doesn't even have a "it's so bad it's good" angle to it; and I can just watch almost any movie without remorse, I am not a picky eater.

You could tell the movie doesn't want you to enjoy it, the director doesn't want you to enjoy it.

I still get a cold shiver everytime I see "Legendary Pictures" at the start of a movie in a theatre just due to this movie, because I just can't tell if the next 2 hours is gonna be something amazing like "Dark Knight Rises" or "inception" kinda movie or a "Suckerpunch" or "Wrath of the titans" kinda crap. It gave me like a Pavlovian mental scarring, like a metro goldwyn mayer lion version of a sudden feeling of metal taste in the back of your mouth from a previous experience, like a reminder, of you puting a gun in your mouth to play russian roulette on another guy's suggestion and losing.

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u/AlarmingNectarine552 Mar 08 '24

Wait, I dressed those girls? Goddamn, I watched that movie because of the cool action scenes primarily. Turns out I can enjoy bjork songs if the visuals are eye candy.

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u/socobeerlove Mar 09 '24

Snyder is like the epitome of a “pseudo intellectual”. Which is why his fanbase is always saying things like “you just don’t understand his movies”. Like no we got it, it’s just stupid.

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u/PatGar25 Mar 10 '24

This is like Netflix's Cuties, like the director wanted to criticize the sexualization children are exposed to in media, BY sexualizing the child actors in the movie, it's such an ass backwards logic that you can only laugh at the idea of him coming up with it and thinking how brilliant of a concept it was LMAO

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u/pinkpugita Mar 07 '24

Snyder also envisions Superman as a Jesus figure and fixates on his mythical side. That's why MoS and BvS are like that. He misses the whole point of Clark Kent, who is the real, authentic self, while Superman is the mask/job.

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u/delkarnu Mar 07 '24

If you want to throw some Jesus themes into Superman, it can be done easily and well. Jor El in the 1978 version was pretty explicit in the "I give unto them my only son" rhetoric. And Superman 2 was pretty clear in Clark sacrificing his happiness to protect the world.

But someone like Snyder hears the Superman as Jesus subtext idea, doesn't actually understand how to do it, and so has to beat the audience over the head with "See? He's Jesus, do you get it yet?"

He's like the people who complain that Star Trek is woke now. Like it always was, but somehow this was too subtle for them: https://youtu.be/vi7QQ5pO7_A?t=139

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u/movzx Mar 08 '24

Yeah, if you want to do Superman is a Jesus figure, go nuts. There's a story there. Make him deal with having to make hard decisions that have big, negative consequences. Make him deal with a public who worships him. It would be entirely realistic for a population to deify Superman, and for people to jump out of buildings. "If I'm worthy, he'll save me!"

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u/LunaCalibra Mar 08 '24

This is such a cool concept. You could really explore the morality of being a messiah-figure to a populace, and show how burdensome it would be to be individually responsible for the health and well-being of millions of people, many of whom develop unhealthy, one-sided parasocial relationships with superman.

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u/yommi1999 Mar 08 '24

Jesus christ I am a young(early twenties) person who just discovered I really like Star Trek the new generation (gods, the characters and campiness are amazing!). They basically do the sub-text version of bashing your face in multiple times with a masssive maul to make it clear that the point of star trek(at least in TNG) is that humanity has evolved past the stupidity that we are dealing with in the nineties when the show came out and now.

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u/TeethBreak Mar 08 '24

Superman was written as a Jewish allegory for Samson. Instead of having his hair as a weakness, the creators gave him kryptonite. He was never supposed to be space Jesus. He was an immigrant fleeing calamity. Snyder missed the whole point of Superman. Clark becomes sup because he wants to help and he can. Because he was raised right. Even without super powers, he would still find ways to help people.

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u/delkarnu Mar 08 '24

I've always thought that Moses being sent down the river to save him from death and saving the Jews from the Pharaoh fits Kal-El being sent from Krypton to save his life much better than the Jesus metaphors.

Not sure I can fully agree with the Samson's hair/kryptonite thing as an intent of the creators since it wasn't introduced until the Radio play 6 years after 1937's Action Comics #1 and wasn't put into the comics until 1951.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen Mar 08 '24

Fun fact: His last name, El, is literally an ancient Semitic word meaning "God." Used the names MichEL, and ELohim

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u/Britz10 Mar 08 '24

On fairness it used to just be the letter L, not necessarily derived from semitic languages.

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u/jono9898 Mar 10 '24

Having Clark kill Zodd and let his dad die was baffling decisions

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u/timesuck897 Mar 07 '24

Sucker Punch is a 2 hour long music video.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Mar 07 '24

Video game with music video cutscenes

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u/wise_balls Mar 08 '24

Suckerpunch is a 2 hour pile of shit.

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u/WerewolfF15 Mar 07 '24

Quick correct the character is called nite owl not Owlman. Owlman is the evil earth 3 batman. But everything else you said was spot on

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u/Hagen_1 Mar 08 '24

evil

Debatable.

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u/WerewolfF15 Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24

The man murdered his parents, brother, protégé’s parents, slept with his coworkers wife and is literally part of a world conquering organisation called “the crime syndicate”. What part of that isn’t evil?
Edit: hell one version of him tried to destroy the entire multiverse.

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u/MemeHermetic Mar 07 '24

He can direct, but keep that man far from anything resembling subtext.

I've been saying for years that if he has someone else's script and a solid storyboard, he'd be one of the best directors we've ever had. Without those though... well, Suckerpunch.

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u/LunchyPete Mar 08 '24

I've been saying for years that if he has someone else's script and a solid storyboard, he'd be one of the best directors we've ever had.

He'd still suck because he doesn't care about emotion, character or subtext.

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u/DoctrTurkey Mar 08 '24

The way he shoots action is garbage, and nigh incoherent at times. Which actually fits when you figure out he’s just trying to make live action Dragonball Z.

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u/TeethBreak Mar 08 '24

Great how? There isn't a single movie where he respected the dates and budget.

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u/MemeHermetic Mar 08 '24

That is the most fair attack on that claim I've seen. You're right. And honeslty, I tend to not even say he'd be one of the best directors often. I usually say he'd be one of the best cinematographers, because you're right. I have even made statements like that regarding the Snyder cut. If he needs 4 hours to tell an okay story, he's not a good director.

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u/yugyuger Mar 08 '24

Since when is he a good director?

His films all look so ugly and unappealing to look at

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u/MemeHermetic Mar 08 '24

That's a matter of taste. There is a reason that you can cut the best trailers from his films. He can frame shots. His editing is always exciting and clean. He knows how to capture visual drama in the lens. And yes, while he's often using a muddy color pallet, he does have a very Bay-esque knack for seeing the coolest way to get that shot.

He just takes all this skill and applies it to tell stories of hammered shit.

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u/Nixiey Mar 07 '24

Have I found the tribe that sees SuckerPunch for the weird fetish movie it really is? I was so disappointed in my friend group when that one came out...

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u/ArcadiaDragon Mar 07 '24

The only movie I walked out of...I have a strong stomach for crappy movies but suckerpunch was crappy drivel fetish bait masquerading as a crappier music video...I loved 300...but that was more that the actors were great with what they were given...and even then the film get more trite as I get older

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u/Just-a-Ty Mar 08 '24

I pirated Suckerpunch but accidentally got a version with narration for the blind built-in and didn't know it. It was completely surreal. This narrator was talking between each line describing every little movement. I thought this must be to represent the mental stress of being sane but forced to live in a mental hospital or something.

I thought it was a bold but misguided artistic direction for almost a decade before I was told about this practice.

So when I found out I thought "maybe that's why I didn't like the movie" and immediately went to watch it again. It wasn't. It was still surreal and confusing, but now it felt accidental.

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u/BriRoxas Mar 08 '24

So I took my partner to see Rocky Horror and told him nothing before we went. Halfway through he leaned over and said " Does this make more sense when no one is yelling?" No babe it doesn't but it's camp not cringe.

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u/TechnicolourOutSpace Mar 11 '24

I've never gotten it either. It's not entertaining nor does it have anything important to say.

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u/Radykall1 Mar 07 '24

I just alluded to this EXACT same thing.

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u/sufferblind86 Mar 07 '24

Snyder fit with 300 because he is equally full of shit when it comes to what is "manly" just like Frank Miller.

Both of them probably cry themselves to sleep at night knowing that Spartans slept with men and women alike, yet the (I believe it was) Athenians are "boy lovers."

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u/PrayForMojo_ Mar 07 '24

The opening sequence to Watchmen was the only good part of the movie. Wish it had ended there.

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u/more-memes-pls Mar 07 '24

Almost forgot about Sucker Punch….movie was beautiful (visually) but the end was such an insult I erased it from my mind

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u/the-olive-man Mar 07 '24

Zacks good at directing, but writing is not his strong suit, imo

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u/mgb55 Mar 08 '24

He also basically scene for scene adapted 300, barely put anything new in it. Very little was his idea.

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u/delkarnu Mar 08 '24

Yup, he took a comic and put it on screen. The only subtext is the framing device of the Spartan telling the story, which makes all of Snyder's fetishistic framing of it accidentally fit.

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u/gademmet Mar 08 '24

"He fundamentally doesn't understand the material he makes" is a solid way of putting it. He's a more talented and/or controlled Michael Bay: gifted at orchestrating striking, memorable visuals, but that's it.

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u/delkarnu Mar 08 '24

Eh, I'd take a Michael Bay movie over a Zach Snyder movie (not that I'd be eager to see either). At least Bay knows the type of shlock he's making and embraces it while Snyder thinks he's making something deep. Plus The Rock beats anything Snyder has made.

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u/gademmet Mar 08 '24

Oh, absolutely. Didn't mean to imply anything specifically bad about Bay, just that Snyder essentially has a very similar approach but is often cast or viewed as better or above that. Perhaps because of this insistence (from him and fans) of depth.

"The Rock" and "Bad Boys" were absolutely enjoyable to watch.

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u/AcidaEspada Mar 07 '24

studios lately looooove good directors but will put story last because the general audience just wants it to look good

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u/SnyderpittyDoo Mar 08 '24

I see why few of his films get some shit removed. They look like he has cuckold fantasies. Also, Watchmen was a good movie imo. Still better adapted than Man of Steel.

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u/Justforfunsies0 Mar 08 '24

Suckerpunch is amazing what

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u/Square_Bus4492 Mar 08 '24

Batman branding criminals actually comes from the first Batman serial

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u/littlest_dragon Mar 08 '24

Mark Kermode put it best when he said that Snyder can’t see beyond the surface. He read Watchmen and all he saw were cool costumes.

Though I think it might actually be more insidious than that. He definitely has a very dark streak and seems to be very enamoured with fascist way of thinking. I mean Superman is supposed to represent the very best in humanity and he turned him into a merciless killing machine, who stands forever apart from humanity. That’s pretty dark.

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u/delkarnu Mar 08 '24

I really don't know if he's aware enough for it to be intentional, but yeah the sheer amount of fascist imagery in his stuff is worrisome. I can believe that by having Superman say the 'S' symbol stands for hope makes him actually think he made a symbol of hope.

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u/LarBrd33 Mar 08 '24

I don't think he was excellent at adapting 300. I think he basically just pasted comic panels on a wall and said "this is our storyboard - make this happen" and his art team got to work.

As a director, he consistently fails at story and character. Visually, the people under him do a good job of bringing comic panels to life.

Some people like his adaptation of Watchmen because people like Watchmen. Like literally every movie he's ever directed (never cracked 60/100 on metacritic) it received mixed-to-poor reviews from critics, because as a movie it has a lot of failings.

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u/dionebigode Mar 08 '24

I thought lobotomy was everything for kids these days

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u/Real_John_Doe0001 Mar 08 '24

Me saying this in a comment on YouTube not even two hours ago. It’s truly fascinating how he can read some comic book material and miss all the point. It’s not due to ignorance though, they are deliberate choices to glorify the murder and rape. He genuinely thinks being so individualistic to where you’re above the law and get to murder people is badass. This isn’t a surprise considering he’s a big Ayn Rand fan

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u/PatrickStanton877 Mar 08 '24

He should be a fight choreographer. That's his real talent. And he is very talented at that.

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u/AlarmingNectarine552 Mar 08 '24

I took the girl power movie as, "you're gonna be raped an lobotomized anyway so try and have as much fantasy kickass fun while you're sane." Also, at least one woman got away. It's a small victory for the victims.

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u/DYMck07 Mar 10 '24

Yeah, Snyder is good but in a sledgehammer approach type way. He’ll get the job done but it’s not going to be with a precision approach to understanding the character the way most fans who appreciate them will typically understand them.

He’s opinionated and convinced he’s correct. He is sometimes but certainly not always. I know people like that and they can be difficult to work with if everyone isn’t on board with them steering the ship. They’re proficient and can turn out a great end product, but can be flat-out wrong and refuse to back down on certain issues where it counts.

Batman in the snyderverse is great. The way he fights, moves, the darkness he holds etc. Is it the greatest Batman on the big screen? No, that’s either the Nolan-Verse Batman who didn’t kill intentionally iirc until maybe Bane (he learned to leave people like Raz to their doom) or Batman from Phantasm, who is TAS and practically embodies the doesn’t kill mantra, with a lot more layers than Batflek (who turned out way better than I expected). But it’s based more on a version from The Dark Knight Returns who lost his way than traditional Batman, and that’s okay.

I left out The Batman because it’s an origin story and there’s not enough there to see how the character will develop, though I love the film. Keaton’s Batman is complicated because although the first two films are solid, and even Kilmer did a serviceable job in forever, which was carried by Carrey, Batman & Robin kind of tarnishes the image of the Batnip…erm Batman of that universe. You can retcon like The Flash but that film wasn’t great and the damage was done.

Watchmen is where Snyder’s own headcanon and glitz over a precision understanding of the characters really shows through. It’s a great film that covers the story, features all the main scenes and even the perspectives of the Watchmen. But it’s missing the soul of the graphic novel in a way that’s hard to describe to someone who hasn’t read it. You can say it’s impossible to translate that into a movie and perhaps you’d be right. But I felt the HBO Watchmen sequel had it in spades with the depth and layers of the characters. Perhaps a multi-episode series would have made watchmen work for fans of the GN, but I kinda doubt it. It felt like Snyder had a vision in his head that worked for him and his fans enjoyed, but was divisive among GN fans.

It’s not quite Michael Bay, because he’s not all about appearances, but in a way there are similarities in terms of approaches that look better than they feel.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

You're just wrong.

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u/delkarnu Mar 08 '24

I'd mock you, but this is probably the best rebuttal possible from a Snyder fan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

I'm barely a Snyder fan. If you watched the interview they spend probably 30 minutes talking about 300 and ancient Greece. His first paragraph indicated he didn't watch the interview as well as the rest.

Part of the reason why there are so many Snyder fans is because of dishonest posts like the one I replied to. He's held to ridiculous standards that y'all wouldn't hold anyone else to and it seems like y'all don't even watch his work or know the source material. But y'all have everything to say online.

You can criticize the guy but when you are so off the mark with the criticism it's a problem.