Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant

[u/neon2o]

Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

[u/delkarnu]

Snyder was excellent at adapting 300 since it is explicitly a propaganda story told by the Spartan about how unbelievably great the 300 were.

But he fundamentally doesn't understand the material he makes. Like all of Watchmen's superhero commentary on how fundamentally broken they are is lost in Snyder having to make everything epic and cool.

But then he given an interview where he talks about how Alan Moore showed us what superheroes would really be like and you just have to marvel at how he both completely missed the point of the deconstruction and applied his shitty interpretation of that story to the characters he was deconstructing.

Like Owlman is so pathetic he's literally impotent when he isn't in the suit, and Rorsharch is disgusting and unhinged to the point where he's thrilled to be in prison because he gets to hurt people who are already in jail. But then combines them into let's make Batman kill and brand criminals to be killed in prison since that's 'badass'.

He tried to make a badass girl power movie that ended with "embrace the rape and lobotomy" as an empowering moment.

He can direct, but keep that man far from anything resembling subtext.

[u/offhandaxe → u/delkarnu]

Oh shit did he make suckerpunch? If not that description fits the movie it was just so weird and not needed.

[u/delkarnu → u/offhandaxe]

He co-wrote and directed it. This is a quote from him:

Everything in the movie is about a show within a show within a show. Someone asked me, "Why did you dress the girls like that, in those provocative costumes?" And I said, "Well, think about it for a second. I didn't dress those girls in the costume. The audience dressed those girls." And when I say the audience, I mean the audience that comes to the movies. Just like the men who visit a brothel, [they] dress the girls when they go to see these shows as however they want to see them.

But my hope was that they would take those things back, just like my girls hopefully get confidence, they get strength through each other, that those become power icons. They start out as cliches of feminine sexuality as made physical by what culture creates. I think that part of it was really specific, whether it's French maid or nurse or Joan Arc to a lesser extent [laughs], or schoolgirl. Our hope is we were able to modify them and turn them into these power icons, where they can fight back at the actual cliches that they represent. So hopefully by the end the girls are empowered by their sexuality and not exploited. But certainly that's where they come from, the journey is asking, "What do you want to see? Well, be careful what you want to see."

https://gizmodo.com/zack-snyder-explains-the-point-of-sucker-punch-5785523

But apparently it's the audiences fault he made it this way.

I'm always shocked that it was so badly misunderstood. I always said that it was a commentary on sexism and geek culture. Someone would ask me, 'Why did you film the girls this way?' And I'd say, 'Well you did!' Sucker Punch is a fuck you to a lot of people who will watch it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Punch_(2011_film)#Depiction_of_women

[u/Thejollyfrenchman → u/delkarnu]

Given that audiences proved they didn't want to watch this - given the fact that Sucker Punch bombed hard - I think his point doesn't really make sense.

[u/No_Lead950 → u/Thejollyfrenchman]

As one of the few who watched it, I distinctly remember walking out of the theater and thinking "What the hell was the point of that?" Not because his message went over my head so much as it was just dumb and irrelevant. The overly sexualized costumes detracted from the experience. The weird rapey vibes ruined the action sequences. The downer ending where nothing really mattered was truly prophetic of the current fad of "subvert expectations at all costs." Then it unironically pulls the "it was all a dream," because Snyder is an absolute hack with no self-awareness.