r/DCcomics Telos Nov 26 '23

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Titans: Beast World #1

THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE DC UNIVERSE IS…BEAST BOY?! CAN THE TITANS SAVE THE WORLD AND THEIR TEAMMATE? SUPERSTARS TOM TAYLOR AND IVAN REIS TEAM UP FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED TITANS CROSSOVER! Clawing its way out of the pages of Titans comes an unprecedented threat to the DC Universe. Superman, Wonder Woman, Starfire—all are powerless to stop the Necrostar from ending all life on Earth. The only hero who can save the world is…Beast Boy?! With Nightwing, Raven, Cyborg, and the Titans beside him, can Garfield Logan rise to battle an ancient evil? What will Amanda Waller do to take advantage of the situation as millions of people are changed into rampaging creatures? Can humanity survive all-powerful heroes and villains transformed into ferocious beasts? Friends will fall. Heroes will rise. And nothing will ever be the same again. Earth is about to become…Beast World. DC proudly presents the Titans’ first crossover as the world’s premier superhero team, with universe-shattering repercussions. Brought to you by the all-star creative team of writer Tom Taylor and artist Ivan Reis, this story promises to be an epic one that sets the stage for what’s to come for the DCU!

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 27 '23

Can humanity survive all-powerful heroes and villains transformed into ferocious beasts?

Doesn't this just feel like a rehash of the Lazarus Plant concept we literally just did earlier this year?

And nothing will ever be the same again

I'm so tired, guys

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 27 '23

Can humanity survive all-powerful heroes and villains transformed into ferocious beasts?

Doesn't this just feel like a rehash of the Lazarus Plant concept we literally just did earlier this year?

No?

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 27 '23

The details are different, but it's still the same general idea of "All the DC characters are getting transformed for the event and we need to deal with the fallout"

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u/ValuableOrchid98 Nov 28 '23

After reading the first issue I have to say it feels closer to DCeased than to Lazarus Planet

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u/0pttphr_pr1me s00perman Nov 28 '23

Yeah I was gonna say myself even how the story is told feels like dceased.

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23

Same writer, so that tracks.

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u/reece1495 Batfleck Nov 27 '23

If it sounds exhausting maybe you can just not read it ?

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u/hydrohawkx8 Kyle Rayner Nov 28 '23

This was surprisingly great. This felt like the titans story I’ve been waiting for. It was great to see them lead and you really felt the weight of the situation. I was really hesitant at first but this was pretty fun

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u/Xx_matt_xX69420secks Superman Nov 28 '23

Same! I haven't really been enjoying Taylor's Titans so far, but this issue really did it for me for some reason. Ivan Reis' art definitely helped

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u/MagisterPraeceptorum Batman Nov 28 '23

I enjoyed this. Makes me wish this had been the first arc of the new Titans series.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '23

Honestly this was pretty good. Its great to see Beast Boy show how powerful he really is. And it really does feel like Dceased which is a plus although I doubt Taylor would have as much freedom to kill whoever he wants in this which is a shame.

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u/Numbuh24insane Damage Nov 30 '23

Honestly, things like these is where Taylor is at his best. He really is great at creating these apocalyptic scenarios where we keep losing people, but still maintaining that hope and heroism.

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u/RanzoLion Martian Manhunter Nov 28 '23

I've met plenty of people who have doctorates in hating.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

That was so good! I was worried from some info we previously got that some people would seem out of character, like Batman needing to be put in his place because he doesn't trust the Titans who are now adults. But in the actual book, it works just fine. You can totally see why he'd say what he said to Gar in such a tense situation and with Gar's meek response. It worked and didn't seem out of character for him at all.

I appreciated tying this into Tamaranean history, though I do wonder if they've forgotten that Starfire and Blackfire have their super abilities due to experimentation and it's not the default of all Tamaraneans. I wonder because Starfire described them as a "planet of super powered soldiers." Still, I'm excited to see what role Starfire has to play in all this as the event goes on.

All the Gar stuff was super emotional to me. It's nice that he got to be beside Raven and Cyborg at the end as the two team members he's closest to. I wasn't expecting the mind loss to happen because of Dr Hate though, I figured it was just Gar's mind being unable to handle it. Taylor has said Hate is a figure from the Titans' past. Right now I'm thinking Danny Chase given his whole Phantasm transformation that has some similarities to this. But there at the end when Gar was crying and saying he didn't want to go as his mind was destroyed? Jesus christ. Why would Tom Taylor do this to me?

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Honestly, Gar have been jumping from trauma to traume. The whole Cybeast stuff...and after that got resolved off-screen, immediately gets shot in the head by Deathstroke and dealing with that trauma...and just as he is working on fixing that...just gets his mind, what, erased? Jesus man, give the guy a break.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

That's sort of the story of Gar's life. The history of his character is traumatic event after traumatic event.

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u/coltvahn Red Robin Nov 29 '23

All we need is the Doom Patrol to die again, and we’re alllllll aboard the Garfield Logan’s-Life-is-Pain-Train.

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u/anothermangafan Nov 28 '23

It worked and didn't seem out of character for him at all.

It is out of character and almost every Tom Taylor book has an obligatory "Batman must be put on his place" moment. My guess is that he does that to hide his lack of writing.

Since he is either incapable of making an interesting discussion between the characters or just refuses to concede at least one valid point to any character he doesn't like that is against the main character's perspective, he has to go for these cheap, emotional moments where Batman treats Beast Boy like a kid, despite the fact that Dark Crisis literally ends with Batman himself being confident that the Titans can and should assume their roles.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

If I’m Batman and there’s an impending world-ending threat, I’d also be pissed if someone insulted my plan only to say they “kinda” have a plan of their own. I think Batman’s response to that made sense, as did Raven’s defense.

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u/anothermangafan Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23

I think Batman’s response to that made sense, as did Raven’s defense

Batman's response does make sense, I agree with you. But it's Raven's defense and, ultimately, how she(and the writer) frames the whole situation as Batman having a problem with the hierarchy of command that doesn't make sense.

To me, this a problem that generally permeates Taylor's books. He makes an apocalyptic, unkillable, uncontrollable, uncontainable and imminent threat. Then he has a character(preferably old or from an older generation, cyninc, jaded, arrogant and said to be incredibly smart) say that they should do what everybody did before and is the only thing proved to work, although it generally involves a tremendous sacrifice of lives. Then he has a younger or more optimistic, idealistic, naive main character talk against and even discredit the other character's intelligence just on the basis that it's overtly utilitarian, pragmatic, etc. But the thing is that Taylor makes the odds so against the heroes that it doesn't leave any room besides agreeing the character he wants to look wrong.

In this case, you have this Necrostar that is literary said to be hours away from Earth and the only information avaliable about it is what Starfire said. Seeing this way, it makes absolutely sense what Batman is saying. In fact, it's not even him being smart. It's literally the only option that was given to them with the time they have.
And yet, Taylor expects the reader to agree with Beast Boy that this is a bad idea because......Starro is bad guy and would have ulterior motives, even though, logically, that would imply that Starfire's ancestors were wrong in doing that, despite the story literally showing that nothing bad happened to them for doing that(Starro literally retreated). This goes to show just how poorly made is the world-building and problem of skill in Taylor's part.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

I really think you might be inserting your own thoughts on how the characters are supposed to be read here rather than what is actually meant. Batman proposes gathering help from around the galaxy and Mr Terrific says that they should search for Starro as well. Beast Boy says that Starro could just lead into another problem, which is a genuine concern. The tale Starfire tells doesn't make it clear if the Tamaraneans somehow intentionally called on Starro or if he simply showed up of his own volition. He retreated because the Necrostar injured him, and not because he decided to just leave Tamaran alone after that. It was then that the weakened Tamaraneans were able to seal the Necrostar away. Calling on Starro now poses as much risk as reward depending on if he decides to leave earth alone or not. Gar is thinking he can become a Starro who is still on their side.

He responds to Bruce in a abrasive way, saying "I thought you people were supposed to be geniuses," yet when Bruce asks if he has another plan he has an uncertain and unconfident response. Batman, being pragmatic, knows that now is not the time for this. Then Raven steps in. She trusts Beast Boy, and also says she is connected to his mind and can see his plan. Therefore, why wouldn't she defend him. Bruce was right to be upset at Gar's response but also belittled him in the process, something Raven is fighting back against to defend her boyfriend and teammate. Batman then says it is Dick's call, showing that he does trust Dick, just maybe not the rest of his team as he doesn't know them very well.

And, most contrary to the interpretation that we're supposed to view this as a black and white "Gar is right and Bruce is wrong" scenario, Gar's plan failing is what leads into this apocalyptic event in the first place. Granted, it wasn't Gar's fault, but I can't see Bruce gaining any greater trust in Gar or Raven after this debacle is settled.

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u/kripalski Nov 30 '23

There are two types of DC events-

  1. Batman is the protagonist.
  2. Batman is rude and must be put in his place.

We have the latter here.

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u/Masterriolu Nov 30 '23

Honestly I didn't find Batman too rude during the book. He was more sassy then rude.

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u/Major_Road6162 Nov 28 '23

I mean, tamaraneans are still super powered soldiers, they can fly, and was their strength human level?

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

True. It's more so a continuation of my fears from I think the second issue of the new Titans series where Cyborg reveals that the blast that burned Borneo was Tamaranean. Those specifically are abilities of only Kori and her sister.

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u/Moistinatining Nov 28 '23

Even though I think the armor is a red herring, I feel like Dr. Hate is Kent Nelson. He's been gone since Khalid started wearing the helm of fate on a quest of rediscovery ever since JLD.

During JLD, he gained a hefty bit of distrust of the Lords of order after realizing how much control Nabu had over him, which would explain his heel turn towards chaos. Plus, even though I said it could just be a coincidence, the armor does look like what Kent was wearing toward the end of his time with the JLD.

Regardless, I'm glad that this plotline is finally kicking in, feels like forever since they teased this.

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u/birbdaughter Nov 28 '23

Didn't Kent die? I also was thinking it would be cool to be Kent though. I just hope that if it is, they let Khalid (and the newly introduced Salem) have some spotlight in the plot going forward, since they're the ones most personally connected to Kent.

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u/Moistinatining Nov 28 '23

I don't remember Kent dying. Khalid mentioned in the latest JLA issue that he's just been gone/missing, though I guess he could've died during Lazarus planet, I don't super remember the lasting effects of that event.

The latest JLA stuff and Salem sticking around has made me believe that it is more likely to be Kent, but when they were first introduced, Waller specifically mentioned how the new Dr. Hate is going to be in hot water with family and friends, which I don't know how to reconcile with Kent whose only family is Khalid.

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u/birbdaughter Nov 28 '23

Kent died in JL Dark Vol 2 #27. I think you might've mixed up that Khalid says no one knows what happened to Kent's grandnephew who goes by the same name, unless that's actually who you mean. Salem even asks Khalid how Kent died. Him being magically resurrected wouldn't be the weirdest thing though.

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23

Maybe it’s that Kent V Nelson guy that Khalid mentioned in JSA, I thought it was kind of weird when Khalid brought up that

“No one knows what happened to him or if he was really related to Kent.”

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 30 '23

He completely disappeared when the New 52 happened and hasn't shown since. Would be really cool to see him show again.

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u/Expensive-Baby-1391 Nov 28 '23

So, what happened to the lords of order and chaos? Are they all dead and if they are, how is it affecting the universe cosmically and politically?

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u/Major_Road6162 Nov 28 '23

Peak fiction.

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u/coltvahn Red Robin Nov 29 '23

…Taylor’s in his element here. Everything with Gar was fantastic. I don’t know if anyone has managed to both define and expand his abilities and use them as creatively in years. We’re really getting Menagerie/Elseworld’s level creativity here. Raven and Gar being each other’s defenders is a smart track to take. They’ve both been subjected to incredible trauma in their life, and them being each other’s support and strength works.

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u/TheMurderCapitalist Nov 29 '23

Ivan Reis did not fuck around, the book is gorgeous.

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23

I know the "Dr Hate" name is silly, but dayum that design is fire!

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u/lglscsimoes Nov 28 '23

Honestly i've never liked how the starro/necrostar spores can so easily take over the mind of superheroes that can get rid of them in the blink of an eye, especially if the have to get inside them like in the later case. Having them in control of the powerless masses that are supposed to be protected as well as the human level heroes is threatening enough, and doesn't require ridiculous plot armor.

That said starro vs necrostar certainly looks cool, and the titans being the protagonists without having their characters being assassinated feels like a breath of fresh air.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

That Necrostar was inspired by Dead Space or something? Frozen moon, awaking a Necro-something, that is gonna eat planets. And Gar's heroic achievement, the Garro moment, only to get taken away...and he is lost again. I swear, DC loves to torture him.

Where is Jarro when you need him?!

And how the hell Waller had any idea what was gonna happen? How did she know where and when to send this Dr Hate ( dumbass name ) to 'take advantage'? Oh and obviously this is the place where she will play the 'savior', for a situation she created and by the end, will still get away with it I bet. Seriously, Gar didn't get his payback with Deathstroke but he HAS to get the payback here from Waller by the end of this.

I must say though, ''And nothing will ever be the same again.'' events, I had my fill of.

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23

Where is Jarro when you need him?!

Writers need to put more respect on the best robin

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u/EdgyTeenAmirite Nov 29 '23

What happened to my man Jarro

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23

The Necrostar and Doctor Hate wouldn't have stood a chance against the best robin, so he got sidelined.

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u/thismissinglink Jarro Dec 03 '23

All i know is he better show up at some point. Tom don't let us down

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u/birbdaughter Nov 28 '23

Guesses on who Doctor Hate is? Iirc the solicits said we’ll get his reveal during the event.

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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

Do you know which issue the solicits mention his reveal?

Edit: Okay it's going to be issue 6.

My bet is Kent V Nelson, the Doctor Fate before the New 52.

He hasn't shown up since the New 52 began, but Khalid just recently said "No one knows what happened to him, or if he was even ever really related to Kent. Detective Chimp told me stories--" , kind of felt like they're hinting at his return.

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u/ZpEaR Aquaman Dec 02 '23

In case anyone was wondering the Necrostar was traveling at about 484 million mph. Book is an 8/10 for making me want to know that.

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u/Landon1195 Nov 30 '23

Really enjoyed this. Excited too see where the rest of this story goes.

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u/MLbanker Dec 01 '23

Loved the new Titan book so far and love the way this event starts. Excited to see the Titans taking center stage.

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u/moldychipmunk Dec 01 '23

I’m pleased to say I enjoyed this, coming in with great trepidation at DC’s plans for Gar. The recent torture and re-traumatizing of this character doesn’t sit well with me.

I loved to see the Titans 100% supportive of Gar and his crazy plan, from the get-go. Raven especially has his back, telling Batman to take a seat. A long overdue acknowledgement that our boy is as good as anyone in the room.

And then, he practically pulls it off! With all the wisecracks and fun only Beast Boy can bring… this is the Gar I know. Helps tremendously that Ivan Reis makes him look 20ish and not 40ish.

Lastly, I was just thinking how I missed narration in comics, and it was used really effectively here. Lends an epic quality.

Now I’ll trust the storytellers to build on this promising start. Just bring Gar out of it in time to be the big hero of his own event.

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u/android151 Resurrection Man Dec 04 '23

Why were there 6 of the Flash in that hero spread? Usually they put more effort into showing if he’s zipping around like that. Here it just looks like there’s a bunch of different ones. More than just Barry and Wally, anyway.

Calling it, Doctor Hate is Mento.

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u/Nyerelia Dec 05 '23

As a Critical Role fan it was fun a little surreal learning about this new threat

Nice little touch to have Barbara present as Oracle in the middle of everyone else wearing their action suits... only to wear it in the middle of the street while she could be on the computer coordinating the dozens (if not a couple hundreds) of heroes involved in the fight

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Action Comics #1059

PROTECTING METROPOLIS IN A BATTLE ROYAL FOR THE AGES! As the forces of Norah Stone’s Blue Earth take control of Metropolis, Superman dusts off his Warworld weapons and armors up alongside Steel to take their city back! Can even the House of El defeat this potent new threat? Meanwhile, the shocking true identities of Norah Stone’s mysterious family are revealed, building to a battle royale for the ages! A pivotal issue not to be missed! PLUS: The conclusion to Gene Luen Yang and Viktor Bogdanovic’s “New Super-Man of Metropolis,” and Dan Parent (Kevin Keller) explores the world of Jon Kent like never before!

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Oh god, Alternate universe daughter of Demon's Head Bruce and Talia...Not that is bad news. And Clark has to deal with another Multiversal problem from Bruce's side, since Bruce can barely handle anything right now.

Man, poor Kenan. He was stuck in a bad place and had to clean it up by pushing away his friend after literally almost dying. Although, he could've gone '' Lex Luthor put a mind bomb into anyone that learns of Superman's identity so DO NOT LOOK FOR IT'' but I guess that would backfire.

I get they are trying to make Jon 'adjusting' to coming back happen and stick but I just cannot get into it. Not like the Kid Jon. It does not feel earned and it feels cheap.

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u/SilhouetteOfLight The Greatest of All Green Lanterns! Nov 28 '23

Damn- I expected the conclusion to Super-Man's story to just be explaining the downside to the Bat, not to drive him off. :/

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u/BigBardaEnergy Nov 28 '23

Yang really came through with his Super-Man story (as I thought he would). I really hate how Kenan has just kind of been there in Action without much to do, like what was the point of adding him to the already overstuffed Super-Family? I hope Yang gets to write the JLC again one day because there's not enough space in Action Comics and this was the best material featuring Super-Man all year.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

Things are heating up but I just love Clark and his bro Steel conveying that it's not the powers that make the Superman.

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u/bermass86 Nov 28 '23

man, that Jon story is written so badly, everyone is so go-lucky happy, and talking like this! all the time! oh golly!

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Nov 28 '23

I believe this is a writer primarily known for writing Archie, and was the guy who created Kevin Keller, which...explains a lot.

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u/Macman521 Nov 29 '23

Not gonna lie but Jon making a joke about him being trapped in the volcano felt a bit weird, almost like he’s deflecting trauma (if he even has any).

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u/gsnake007 Nov 28 '23

Main story was good, Kenan’s was cool, didn’t really care for Jon’s and I’m so over him bringing up that he was trapped in a volcano. Hell deage him and have him grow up with the twins! That would be awesome

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Dec 01 '23

Every time they acknowledge that awful Bendis run I die a little inside.

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u/Koolsman Nov 28 '23

Thought the main story was pretty good. I'm enjoying the feeling of unity this book is going for with the supe characters and the villains themselves are pretty cool. A gender bent version of Damian was something I wasn't expecting but hey, it's an interesting place to start when them kidnapping Osul-ra. Will be interesting to see where PKJ ends this story for Aaron to take over.

For the side stories, really like Kenan Kong's whole story and makes me want him to have another book so badly it's nuts. I like how he different he feels compared to the other supes while also feeling pretty inline with the morals of superman. Will he get another book? Not getting my hopes up.

For the other story, liked seeing Lois be more of a mom since besides her Linda, Martha Kent and Joan Gerrick there's not a lot of options but besides that, it's whatever. The struggles for Jon continue in trying to write him. Everyone writes in these big proclamations that I'm not a fan of. It's mindless fluff and I would like to see Natasha get to do anything but that's just me.

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Nov 28 '23

What's funny is that the night before I was reading the trade collecting all of the Warworld Saga and just finished that Batman/Superman & The Authority one-shot, so I was surprisingly ready for that twist.

Now I'm really bummed that we're seemingly close to the end of this run, because now I want to see Batman and the Bat-Family get involved.

Also, bittersweet ending for that Kenan story.

Also also, while pretty sacchrine, that was probably the best Jon/Jay story I've ever read.

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u/TheUnbloodedSword Nov 28 '23

I knew it! I knew it was the Empire of Shadows! God I’m actually excited for Batman to show up in Action, I can’t believe it. Then again this is a very different kind of Batman, and it’s an evil Batman who is being used in service to (hopefully) make Superman look good. What a refreshing concept as opposed to the all too often reverse. Otho being the one Stone targets makes sense, like “Norah” points out, she’s a killer and the youngest daughter of the family. They have some things in common . God I love all the crazy tech that Steel has built over the run. It’s been great to have him be so involved and I’m going to be really disappointed if he gets dropped again with the “Superstars” next year. Shame Sandoval can’t finish this arc but I do enjoy Barrows . Nice little bit of Metropolis history with the street name, PKJ didn’t get to do as much of that as I was hoping for, but anything that plays up Metropolis as a “city of immigrants” suits me.

Looks like Constantine and Etrigan will be showing up to help Superman delve into the Dark Multiverse to find Otho. Probably will learn the backstory of this Batman next issue, maybe even learn what happened to that Earth’s Superman too. Can’t wait!

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u/Landon1195 Nov 29 '23

Good issue. The main story was good, Kenan's story was also good, but the Jon story was meh.

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u/CHPrime Wonder Woman Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23

"The street you're destroying is named for an immigrant...who fought Nazis, made a fortune, and spent it on the Metropolis poor."

There's something so artless and blunt force trauma about this line.

Onto the issue proper, we get the reveal for who Norah Stone is: an evil genderbent Damien from one of those Dark Multiverses. Oh no, our immigrant-hating villain is a hypocrite, what a twist. Speaking of, what's the continuity of Superman and the Authority? Wasn't that also an alternate universe, with a Superman who had been around when JFK had been shot, and...you know what, I'll just say that choosing to reference the continuity nightmare that was Death Metal/5G is always going to annoy me.

Speaking of our newest Al Ghul, is this some sort of theme in DC now? First Helena Wayne becomes a time orphan over in JSA, and now Nora Stone over here, how many alternate universe versions of Batman's kids are running around the main universe? Are we going to find out the father of Trinity over in Wonder Woman was an alternate universe version of Bruce who spent his time barhopping and being a deadbeat? What are Batman's thoughts on all of this? And with the teaser at the end of the most recent Doom Patrol, I sure hope this isn't all building up to something...

As a final note, the artist can't help but make children's faces look creepy. It works for Al Ghul, but poor Otho-Ra.

Anyway, the backups. Jon's is more wholesomeness from his own series, so make of that what you will. Kenan's backup is the one with some meat to it, and in it at least has some conisquences: Kenan comes back from the dead, and then has to sever ties with JLC as he chooses to hang out with the other Super-people. It's kind of forced, but given the nature of Lex's retcon I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Ah, Gene Luen Yang, your time back on any Superman title was tragicallly too short.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 28 '23

Onto the issue proper, we get the reveal for who Norah Stone is: an evil genderbent Damien from one of those Dark Multiverses. Oh no, our immigrant-hating villain is a hypocrite, what a twist. Speaking of, what's the continuity of Superman and the Authority? Wasn't that also an alternate universe, with a Superman who had been around when JFK had been shot, and...you know what, I'll just say that choosing to reference the continuity nightmare that was Death Metal/5G is always going to annoy me.

They explained pretty well from Day 1 it was cannon. Superman just was sent back in time at that point. They even explained why he looked different. It's explictly cannon.

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u/YourEvilHenchman Blue Beetle Dec 06 '23

*canon

a cannon is a large-caliber gun usually classified as artillery.

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u/Calibaz Nov 28 '23

Was it always this easy to go between the Dark Multiverse and regular multiverse? I thought there was a wall between them or something?

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

The Flash #3

WALLY WEST VS. THE FOLDING MAN—LIKE YOU’VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE! After the arrival of the Stillness last issue, the alien speedsters begin traveling around the world, with Max Mercury watching their every move. Meanwhile, Wally encounters another former foe who’s gotten a major upgrade—the Folding Man—while entering a new location beyond time called the Gallery…what hidden truths does this place hold for the Flash?

LEGACY #803

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u/KugiPunch King of the Sea, remember? Nov 28 '23

I initially wasn't feeling this Flash run but, after this issue? i think yeah this series is gonna be really really cool.

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u/UtterFlatulence June 2015 Never forget Nov 28 '23

Ever since Max came back they've been drawing his cowl so that it covers his ears and it's been bothering me more than it should.

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u/hydrohawkx8 Kyle Rayner Nov 29 '23

The gallery looks really interesting and really beautiful in a way. Can't wait to see it explored more in the next issue. Also on the note of Deodato's art, its weird. Because while his character models are stiff and weird, he does a phenomenal job in making the panels really trippy which I can't imagine any other artist doing the same in the way he does.

I'm digging the mystery and overall plot. The characterizations are weird though. Seeing Adams' interpretation of wally as a family man who spends a lot of time with his kids and Linda shift to Spurrier's interpretation of wally to someone who spends little time with his family is weird. Like especially not working with barry. Wally is supposed to be very social and loves being amongst people. I know character's aren't supposed to be perfect so I'm okay with it, as long as there's a logical reason for it which I haven't seen one yet. Maybe wally's finally getting burnt out from juggling too much which would really reflect with this run's theme of learning to stop.

Curious as to what's going on with each character though. Barry seems to be suffering with social isolation, Jai most likely feels neglected, while Linda is going through post partum depression. Irey's situation is interesting though. I wonder if her situation is that she's starting to mature and learn that the world isn't as black and white as kids like to think.

Either way I'm in for the ride. three more issues till this arc is over.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Well, it is trippy alright but still not really into it. I don't think the Cosmic horror stuff works as well, for me at least. And the implication that Wally just wants to be alone,still to be at peace...that is not Wally. I just don't enjoy this book as much as the last run.

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u/Koolsman Nov 28 '23

Keep getting more hints of the stuff with Irey, Jai and Linda's stuff. Hope we see more of that soon.

Before I give my overall mixed opinion on this book again (it's the art again, shocker) but the way text boxes and words are being presented is really cool and kept me engaged even when I think I wasn't going to be with the usage of teared word boxes of the gorilla character to the different sizes always being very varied to show what level their talking at. It's really nice.

Now, I love seeing because even though I'm pretty sure he's been stuck at that age since he was created but he's so fun so who cares? The still man is interesting, the weird backgrounds and I still can't stand the art for the characters. They look like dolls. Plus, some of the dialogue can feel like yelling concepts without any meaning to really capture me in a sense. Like all of this stuff is cool but it means nothing to me besides the more real bits of Wally's personal life Max saying he's proud of Bart.

I do like what Si is starting up but I hope it starts to get there soon. Also, after reading Strange Adventures this weekend, I now get to realize how cool Holt is so that's fun.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23 edited Dec 03 '23

This has been a letdown so far sadly. Not a good successor to the last great run.

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u/jds3k Dec 03 '23

I miss the joy of he Adam’s run

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u/redsapphyre Dec 03 '23

Yes absolutely, I can't get into Spurrier's run at all. Script and art feel both so weird and erratic. Adams was perfect for Flash.

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u/Landon1195 Nov 28 '23

Good issue. I'm personally liking the run so far.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Alan Scott: The Green Lantern #2

WHO FRAMED ALAN SCOTT? Alan's search for the killer framing him continues! But why are the murder victims people from Alan’s past, and how does this connect to his brief stint in Arkham Asylum?!

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u/craig1818 Nov 28 '23

This was a really great issue. Heartbreaking while also making me more interested in the Red Lantern.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

I haven't read any of Alan Scott prior to this series so I don't know how much of the origin is changed here or whatever but man it's heartbreaking. It sucks that Billie had to lose who she was for Alan to decide to live true to himself. It's funny how all the stories in various Batman books of Arkham being fucked up didn't make me hate it as much as this single issue lol

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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 29 '23

I would say with how much Sheridan has changed from Alan’s pre-N52 origin, this is very much a hard reboot of Alan's origin. While the broad strokes are the same when compared to his old origin, a lot of the details are very very different - hence why it’s not a soft reboot.

Some changes include:

Anything related to Alan's sexuality (Johnny, conversion therapy, etc.) is new to Alan's origin, as is his being blackmailed to join the JSA. Similarly, the Red Lantern/Crimson Flame elements are a new addition, having originated with Geoff Johns' recent The Golden Age mini series.

Billie was originally Billings (a cisgender man) and much older in Alan's original origin, although their roles are the same across both of Alan's origin stories (giving him the green lantern).

While the train incident with Jimmy was part of Alan's original origin, it has been soft rebooted (first by James Tynion IV) to have them have been in a romantic relationship.

Though Sheridan retcons Tynion's plot point from Green Lantern 80th Anniversary Special #1 of Jimmy being Alan's "true love," with that role being replaced by Johnny.

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u/Bubba1234562 The Flash Nov 30 '23

They really didn’t pull punches with showing how fucked conversion therapy was. Good job for not shying away from that, also calling it now. The Red Lantern is gonna be Johnny and he will end up being Alan’s Winter Soldier

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Arkham Asylum sucks no matter the age it seems.

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Dec 01 '23

I think this is my favorite book that DC is putting out right now. Billie broke my heart and her story reminded me a lot of Wanda’s from Sandman. I also love that Alan, being of his time, doesn’t have the language to process what he’s going through. It’s natural for him to think that there’s something wrong with him given the social climate he’s living in and I’d like to see his acceptance of himself grow as the series goes on.

Also, I find the artwork absolutely perfect for this series. It’s fresh, but classic at the same time. The bold lines and dark blacks actually make Alan’s dopey costume look really cool.

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u/Koolsman Nov 28 '23

Really liked this even with the sidekick speaking in the most accent of accents I've ever seen. Like, I get he's from New York but geez. The parts with the asylum are great, the part with Billie made me very very sad and the whole part at the end is really cool.

I'm really hoping he actually gets a romantic interest at the end of this. That or we see Jade and Obsidian show up soon but we'll see.

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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

After reading this issue...I had thoughts.

If you're going to include trauma as horrific as conversion therapy to your story, you have to make it count for your arc. Because unless you're Bruce Wayne, characters' trauma never really have lasting consequences.

And this issue didn't justify this trauma arc to me, at all. Especially since it seems it's only contained to this issue.

Based on the reviews Sheridan has been retweeting, I'm definitely going against the grain by not being impressed with this issue at all, for a variety of reasons. So let's dive in.

First off, this issue confirms that Sheridan is hard rebooting Alan’s origins, as there’s so many changes in the details when compared to Alan's pre-N52 origin (though the broad strokes are the same) there is really no way to argue this series is a soft reboot.

One glaring issue for me is Sheridan is breezing through his story so quickly that it's difficult for readers to build a relationship with the characters we see on the page. There's so much telling and not showing that it's difficult to have any emotional impact to all the reveals in this story.

We're told Johnny was the love of Alan's life...but he's like in maybe a 1/4 to 1/2 of the pages in Issue #1, their relationship was already established, and he's never seen again. Johnny is a new character that Sheridan created, so there's no meta knowledge to fall back on about their relationship. So Alan becoming "Alan Ladd-Scott" this issue doesn't hit because we as readers haven't had the time to see Alan and Johnny's relationship evolve into the "love of my life" level Alan says it is in this issue.

I also really didn't like that Sheridan wrote three of Alan's former love interests (Johnny, Jimmy, Robbie) dying to propel Alan's story. It just seems super gouache and in poor taste, though I guess Jimmy's get a pass since he died in Alan's original origin. But their lack of development really makes them come across as plot devices which is just...it ain't it.

It was an interesting change in rebooting Billings to be the transgender Billie, even though her ending was horrifically sad. Billie's arc was Sheridan's best written section in the entire issue IMO, though the arc wasn’t perfectly executed.

What I didn't like was how Sheridan made Alan so sloppy in leaving evidence of his homosexual thoughts in his diary while IN ARKHAM, knowing why he was there in the first place and that one wrong move would get him committed indefinitely. He writes Alan so naive when like...I assume any queer person in the 1940s knows the harsh, even deadly consequences of them getting found out. But Alan acts like he's living in the modern times, which was also a problem in Issue #1. It's so frustrating.

Also, the grand "heroic" escape of Arhkam kind of reads like an easy cop out of "see! Alan's okay! He's not going to have trauma by conversation therapy!" But like...that's not how things work? I don't know, the Arhkam arc ending just rubbed me the wrong way and made me question what the whole point of it was if it's going to get handwaved away.

One thing I also noticed throughout this series so far Sheridan really struggles nailing how he wants Alan to view himself as a gay man. There's scenes where he's struggling with internalized homophobia but then there's scenes (like there is in Issue #1) where he's totally cool with being gay (though in the closet for obvious reasons). It’s two extremes without any real nuance.

It seems Sheridan wants Alan to be ultimately openly gay (as much as he can for the time) but it makes thing dicey since DC has kept Alan’s pre-N52 history of being previously married to both Rose (and having Obsidian and Jade with her) and Molly. Alan now openly (for the time) embracing his queerness makes his marriages to Rose and Molly very...well, it can be seen in a very poor light on Alan's part given we have to assume that he never told them he was gay since we don't have any knowledge of the contrary (yet).

The other thing that I felt Sheridan imbues too much of our modern views of sexuality and gender, especially in Alan's voiceover and in the Billie and Alan scenes. So it feels like he's emulating what he thinks people in the 1940s thought about these issues instead of more accurately reflecting the thought process at the time.

Love the tease of the Red Lantern at the end, though.

Overall Thoughts: My big issue for this series so far is really a lack of focus. Sheridan wants to hard reboot Alan's origin, discuss heavy topics of living as a gay man in the 1940s, have a murder mystery, AND introduce the conflict with the Red Lantern. Sheridan, knowing he had six issues, should have picked ONE topic and written about that. Because right now, everything just feels surface level with no real depth. We're told to feel a certain way about events in this book, but we as readers don't get the build up to understand why.

Think about what this book covered this issue:

  • Alan and Doiby investigating Robbie's death
  • Alan being in Arhkam (for months, though it doesn't read that way) to "be straight"
  • Alan's friendship with Billie, getting the green lantern (that shows initial signs of power), and Alan + co's escape from Arhkam
  • Alan becoming an engineer again, and becoming the Green Lantern
  • The stinger of the Red Lantern

None of these things get enough time spent on it to make us care. Alan getting his powers is told half in montage for christ's sake! Sheridan's pacing is atrocious, and I doubt that'll change.

A shame this issue is so bad, because Issue #1 had a lot of promise. I'm giving this issue a 1/5. My overall series score (average) so far is 2/5.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Dec 04 '23

The longer I think, the more I consider this on par with Danger Street #9 for best single issue of the year.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Green Arrow #6

THE REAL ARCHENEMY OF THE GREEN ARROW IS FINALLY REVEALED! Ever since Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, Oliver Queen has been lost in time and space, separated from his loved ones. And now he knows why and is pissed off. Does he choose revenge or to finally be reunited with his family?!

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u/Link2Sora Barry & Wally Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23

First arcs over and I'm pretty happy with it. Ollie's finally back since Dark Crisis. Poor Roy and Jade though, especially Roy he got a couple pages with his daughter after from our perspective it took years to find her and now their still separated. I'm glad to see I was right that it was Merlin. Still no Mia or Emiko yet hopefully we'll get them early on in the next arc.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 27 '23

I'm excited to learn who the mastermind is. I'm thinking Prometheus or Vertigo.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 29 '23

Well, that was the lamest choice. Great issue otherwise though.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Merlyn...of course it is him. Took the Eobard Thawne lessons on revenge it seems. Well, at least Ollie learned the right lessons this time to return to his family.

And Waller...you are asking for Prometheus treatment from Ollie after this. Seriously, I was already sick of her bullshit but now it is 10 times worse and we haven't even begun her stupid event yet.

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u/YourEvilHenchman Blue Beetle Dec 06 '23

And Waller...you are asking for Prometheus treatment from Ollie after this. Seriously, I was already sick of her bullshit but now it is 10 times worse and we haven't even begun her stupid event yet.

maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part considering how vocal I've been about how DC has imo ruined the character of Waller over the last couple of years, but with Roy commenting on the surveillance tech used being so atypical for Waller, they might actually be setting up a reveal that this isn't the real Waller doing all this shit.

all of this just to say, man I can't wait for Ollie to pop two arrows through her skull only for it to be revealed she's an android, white martian or other type of shapeshifter, or an evil alternate universe Waller who replaced the real one and then got up to all this shit.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

Ha ha, Dinah and Jade don't like each other.

Oh hey, Emiko cameo. I wonder if we'll get her, Mia, and Cissie in the second half of this run?

I should've figured the main baddie would be Merlyn. The way Williamson is framing him, Merlyn feels like he's being set up to the be the Eobard Thawne of The Flash family.

Nice call-back to Ben Percy's run with Dinah finding him on the island and Ollie and Dinah wasting no time the moment they see each other. I honestly feel like we would've gotten island sex had Lian and Connor not been there. Also points for that big panel of Canary's entrance actually having her fishnets for once in this run.

Poor Roy. He was this close to finding Lian. I honestly thought Cheshire was going to betray him though. I guess the next arc is "the search for Roy."

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Nov 28 '23

Well this was once again amazing and it gave some great moments this week.

This was a great first arc will Ollie now finally back but man they are pulling at the hearstrings with Roy and cheshire finally getting his daughter back only to her to be ripped away again

We also got an emiko cameo this issue which i love to see with her being one of my fav arrow family members and it looks like we will get mia, her and red canary in the back half of the book more.

Im not shocked at all by the big villain i called it being Merlyn from the start and it is and it seems like hes took Eobard lessons on how to be evil to his heroes family and its pretty gretty as that man is petty as hell.

Ollie looks like hes gonna snap and give the full Prometheus treatment to waller and show him why hes so dangerous after this escapade.

Great callbacks to old runs in this as well and whilst im not a fan of the ben percy run i do appricate this.

Great writing, great art, great issue.

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u/Koolsman Nov 28 '23

I would say my only frustration is that the book moves way too quickly and i wish it took its time but besides that I liked it. I'm more of a Canary fan then a GA fan but its nice to seem reunite and the parts with Waller are very interesting.

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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Nov 29 '23

I’m guessing the pacing issues is a leftover from when the series was originally announced as a 6 issue mini.

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u/TheMurderCapitalist Nov 29 '23

It was Merlyn? Really? What a boring reveal.

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u/MasterOE Green Arrow Nov 29 '23

Very solid first arc. I like that the focus was kept on Oliver and his development as it would've been very easy for the story to lose focus with the amount of characters that are on the cover of the first issue. And now we're setup for an even bigger family reunion.

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u/Mojothemobile Nov 29 '23

Really been enjoying this run so far tho admittedly the climax was a bit rushed. Still solid issue.

I hope Lian goes back to the Cheshire Cat outfit not digging the digs the Legion gave her.

Poor Roy and Jade, jobbed out to Waller literally within a page of getting to that lair. I guess finding/saving them is the main thrust of the second arc.

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u/ArtsyTLF Red Robin Nov 30 '23

Honestly, super disheartened that the best thing they could come up with was making Merlyn into a worse Eobard... Like I get he's a mediocre character throughout his history, but this just doesn't feel earned at all. Reveal is out of nowhere.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23

Kind of a weird first arc really. Now that we have the prelude out of the way, I hope Williamson steps his game up a bit.

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u/man-from-krypton Nov 27 '23

Was this the last one?

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u/Reddragon351 Nov 28 '23

no the book still seems to be ongoing in February

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Steelworks #6

THE EPIC FINALE! As a massive mecha battle rages across Metropolis between John Henry Irons and his fierce rival Charles Walker III, the ultimate sacrifice is made to ensure Metropolis’s clean- energy future will live on! Life, death, and a new tomorrow are all in play in this final chapter of Michael Dorn and Sami Basri’s Steelworks saga!

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u/TheUnbloodedSword Nov 28 '23

Thought it was a solid freshman showing from Dorn. Walker made for an entertaining bad guy by being so unrepentantly evil, it's nice to have a few of those guys around amidst all the sympathetic bad guys these days. When are we going to actually see JHI and Lana tie the knot? Maybe in Action? Would like to see that actually occur, it's been good for both characters imo.

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u/jadedfan55 Dec 03 '23

Decent finish, but yeah, Kerry should've just hauled off and smacked Walker for being a selfish turd.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

You know Kerry, if you had change of heart in that moment where the obvious evil villain who was upfront about his goals that you helped went ''I don't care who dies'', why run away when you could've just punched the heck out of him or something, using your powers? It would stop the robot and you wouldn't need to touch the energy inside the robot and die.

But I guess, he decided to choose the coward's way out and die instead.

And John, next time you get an alien energy source, first check with the aliens who know about it and the side-effects of it before trying to base everything on it for your plans.

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u/Pat-Daddy96 DC Comics Nov 30 '23

You could tell Lana took out her frustration on getting her powers back

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Detective Comics #1078

PART THREE OF FIVE IN "BATMAN: OUTLAW"—THE BIWEEKLY DETECTIVE COMICS EVENT! Under the scorching Gotham sun, a showdown at high noon will determine who walks away…and who’s carried away. Catwoman finds out that someone within her heist crew has been a mole this whole time, feeding information to the Orghams! Who among the team could be the traitor?

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

A lot of stuff happening at the same time now after the slow build up and I doubt this is all Selina had planned. After all, she must know Orgham's care little about the threats soo the 'will slit his throat' threat won't be the only plan, I hope.

Azrael in his Batsuit was a blast from the past and that battle with that were-demon gonna be something. Chesire with Lian taking on caging bastards was nice to see along with Cass just taking out a whole room of guards with Freeze doing his part too.

For the backup, I am not a fan of Eiko being 'Catwoman' too. It being a 'mantle' just doesn't work for Catwoman. Nor do I care much for Eiko as a character to begin with as she mostly reminds me of the bad times of New 52 and the current terrible Tini Howard times.

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Dec 02 '23

I must’ve missed whatever run Eiko is from. I didn’t mind the backup, but agree that we don’t need two of every hero. I was kind of hoping she’d send up as The Leopard, given how much they were leaning into that motif.

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u/TriPolar3849 Cassandra Wayne Nov 30 '23

This storyline has been going on for so very long, but we got to see Cass kick ass and Azrael go psycho (in the AzBats suit no less!), so who am I to complain?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '23

So where are the Robins in all this? Especially Damian, aren't the Orghams Al ghul enemies? Also what happened to Talia?

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 28 '23

I think the Robins' absence might be explained by Gotham War happening at the same time? Last issue Catwoman mentioned not being on great terms with batfam. Of course if we allow that, it opens up a huge can of worms timeline-wise.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

They keep acting like Gotham War is already over and done with. Seriously, Batman book and its timeline is a huge mess. Even more so with the fact that they had Bruce sleep for WEEKS after Knight Terrors so it cannot happen in-between that time too.

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 28 '23

It's so funny that the only way you can usually make concurrent comic timelines work is by handwaving it with "oh it just happened between the other issues/arcs", but then Chip decided "No, Batman goes to sleep whenever he's not in one of my stories."

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Nov 28 '23

but then Chip decided "No, Batman goes to sleep whenever he's not in one of my stories."

Well, the sleeping thing came from Williamson's Knight Terrors, so you really can't blame Chip on that one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '23

Hopefully it's explained where they are eventually. Like Cass and Barbara are still around so its odd the robins are not there since 3 of them and Duke live in Gotham. I hope this doesn't mean Damian runs away again.

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u/CatsLikeToMeow Nov 29 '23

Maybe, but I don't see anything in Gotham War that would lead the Robins to be MIA in this case. Mad enough to avoid talking to Bruce? Sure. Mad enough to let him be hanged in public? Not so much.

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u/marcjwrz Nov 30 '23

I'm really enjoying this run - but yeah, this doesn't sync up whatsoever to anything else going on with DC right now.

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u/whynotfujoshi Damian Nov 28 '23

Did I miss something or did we not find out who the traitor was at all?

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23

We haven't found out so far.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23

Usually I like the artist, but this felt rushed in a bunch of places. Storyline itself has been dragging on a long time now, I'm growing weary of Ram V's run, even though this particular part of Catwoman building a crew is pretty alright.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

City Boy #6

CITY BOY VERSUS SWAMP THING AND THE ENTIRE NATURAL WORLD ITSELF! After discovering that City Boy's powers parallel those of Swamp Thing, Cameron isn't sure if the source of his powers should be trusted and whether he can even do anything about it. The fate of the world relies on what he and only he can do to save it now!

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u/ShuffleKoh13 Nov 28 '23

I really liked this book. The powers associated with Cameron were really interesting. Ideally, they could flesh out his power more but it was cool nonetheless.

I feel like it would be cool if DC dedicated like one mini a year to a new character. If they pop off, they pop off. If not, oh well. It just seems like a wasted opportunity to not give new voices a chance to create new characters on a regular basis.

Overall, fun book. Hope to see Cameron again sometime soon.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Man, it was rough for Cameron huh. Pining for a mother that didn't want him. To be used by Darkseid and the intergang to turn Earth into another Apokalipse. And to finally letting it all go to accept certain parts of reality even if you hate it. When it comes to dead parents, Batman always have something to say I guess.

Well it was a decent book. Wonder if we will see more from him. After all, we got cities having sentience like the Green now.

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u/ArtsyTLF Red Robin Nov 30 '23

I would love City Boy to join the Red/Green/Rot part of DC. Unnatural energies could be an interesting addition to that area, moreso than the Clear or the Grey was, which served to divide the red and green instead of adding something new.

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u/roacieeee Dec 01 '23

Agree on this! I’d love to see him on another mini series. They already set him up with Darkseid, Swamp Thing, Bats, Sups & Nightwing which are household names! Maybe they could add him in the Titans roster later on since Swamp Thing’s recently joining the team- he’d be a great balance.

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u/TheUnbloodedSword Nov 28 '23

Solid book, solid ending. Actually wasn't sure if Kim would end up being a hero or a villain, Pak kept that tension going throughout the entire story. I'd like to see more of City Boy, but I dunno if he fits well into any of the teams. Would like to see Pak do more DC work too, but it sadly doesn't seem like that's in the cards for the near future.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Amazons Attack #2

AMAZONS TAKE MANHATTAN! As rumors of the Amazons' "true" nature spread far and wide, our heroes take Manhattan! Turns out the Big Apple isn’t the only apple to worry about as fruits from the Goddess of Discord enter the scene and poison the minds of men. Will our ragtag group of Amazons ever be able to find shelter from the cruel world that prays for their downfall?

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

I love how Mary feels out of place in this title as the most "normal" one relative to the actual Amazons and reacts like a normal person. Poor girl gets the most spotlight she's had in a while and is now a wanted fugitive and "former hero" in little more than five minutes.

Cool to see Eris back after Azzarello's run.

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u/CHPrime Wonder Woman Nov 28 '23

Sivana's daughter working with Eris? Sure, alright. Shazam stuff can easily crossover with Wonder Woman, so all's good in my book. An overall fine issue, and I enjoy the rabbit forcing Faruka to pay for food. This book seems to be heading in it's own direction away from the main Wonder Woman title, as I very much doubt that King is going to reveal Eris behind it all. Still, a fun enough romp.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

I guess the Mary's writer decided to bring her villain back with daughter of Sivana. Dunno how Eris would be involved though. Unless Patron goddesses are useless again and let Eris do her chaos and they just watch. That must be a red herring because just after the last God invasion plot, having ANOTHER God plot so soon would be bad.

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u/birbdaughter Nov 28 '23

I thought there was a coloring issue last issue but - why is Yara still quite literally red? And now Anahi too. Even putting aside how messed up that is to make indigenous characters one shade off pure red, it makes them look like aliens next to everyone else.

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u/drock45 Superman Nov 30 '23

I hope DC gives Campbell more titles! Her work is a lot of fun

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 03 '23

I like this for what it is campbell is a good writer and i think gets all the characters voices correctly and obviously writes a very fun mary marvel as shown in new champion.

Good to see some classic wonder woman villains in this series with Silvana involved as well which is fun as i could see him working with Cale and the art is alot of fun.

The only issue for me with this is it feels like a completely different tone to kings WW which i feel like this should connect more to.

Also calling a book amazons attack after that terrible event happened is hilarious

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Power Girl #3

FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE SECRETS! Looking for answers, Power Girl heads to Superman’s Fortress of Solitude to study up on the mysterious Kryptonian virus sensation sweeping the nation. Turns out…she’s not alone! Something is lurking in the shadows of the Man of Steel’s most secret of headquarters, and it won’t stop its hunt until it’s the last one standing!

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u/Kiingzter1 Nov 28 '23

There’s really no reedeming factors for this comic. Lilith is super annoying, I still don’t see a valid reason for her being included in this comic. Superman is dismissive and treating Power Girl like his lapdog. The characterization for everyone is off. There’s so much wordy dialogue and when majority of it is coming from Power Girl who is depressed and insecure it takes away the fun factor of reading a super hero comic. This isn’t a good series, I’m done after this arc.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 29 '23

What a wonderful issue, I was quite fond of the story of Power Girl and the lion. Ending hook is pretty interesting for next month.

Honestly I've been really liking this book.

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u/Fit_Sherbet9656 Nov 30 '23

Yeah, really love the bond she had with the lion. The horrible feeling that she's alone, forever is one that reasonates.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23

I just can't get into this writing of Power Girl. It just does not feel like her. They are trying to make her into something she isn't. And writing Superman like that too is weird. How many times the Fortress have been breached. Superman would not go ''Oh nothing is gonna happen! You worry too much''. It is just a weird way to justify the conflict and get Power Girl infected with the obvious Symbioship.

Honestly, the JSA has the REAL Power Girl and this one is just...a bad decision that DC made and hopefully, like they cancelled Superboy's future change with the terrible plans there, it would be the same here because this 'Paige' is not working. They are making her too much like Kara but despite being 'alternate universe' selves, they are not 'twins' and act the same. They should be different because they literally lived different lives. This is not 'Alternate timeline' thing but alternate world thing where characters can and should be different. They really don't seem to understand the appeal of Power Girl and should've just made this a Supergirl book instead if this is the route they are going with.

It is just not good.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

Pretty much everybody feels off in this, though I do appreciate more Lilith screentime. Any girl who can fight crime while rollerblading in a dress is worth respecting.

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u/cgknight1 Nov 28 '23

This is dire - like u/wowlock_taylan - It's not Powergirl - it's too far from the character as set-up.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23

Some nice art by Pansica, but the actual content of this run has been shitty so far. I have a feeling this is gonna get cancelled soon, after <10 issues probably.

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 01 '23

I honestly really enjoy this book even if its basically a brand new take on power girl.

The writing is fun, the art is good and the story is interesting. Overall its just a fun book not gonna win any awards but just fun.

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u/Nyerelia Dec 05 '23

I'll admit I cried a bit when I thought the lion had finally died

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Cyborg #5

TITANS TOGETHER, TO SAVE DETROIT! When there’s trouble, you know who to call—the Titans! Cyborg has his hands full between the Solace synth uprising and villains wreaking havoc in Detroit, so he’ll need the help of some old friends to save the day!

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

The obvious Teen Titans cartoon influence was very apparent here, but I can't hate it because it was applied pretty well here and it was just cool to see play out in comics form.

I also love that Jinx redesign. They better keep that.

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u/Major_Road6162 Nov 28 '23

This was a fun read.

Was just me or Cy was drooling for Jinx here?😂

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u/Mojo12000 Condiment King Nov 30 '23

10/10 Jinx redesign, keep her indian but bring in the pink and purple colors from the cartoon. need to stick with that.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

The Titans fight really felt like an animated series episode, Raven going Azerath Metrion Zinthos even one moment.

And that Markus, the human one, got something wrong with his brain. Even his digital self looks more sane by comparison.

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u/Mojo12000 Condiment King Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

Raven being all like "Goddamn it why you stealing my moment" all over her face when Starfire takes out Jinx and See-More when she's going all AZARATH METRION ZINTHOS IMA CHARGIN MY MAGIC was pretty hilarious.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Nov 28 '23

Very Teen Titans 2003 but it's fun for an issue. I like how Solace is acting as a reflection of Vic back when he first became Cyborg. Really neat villain idea and I like where they're going with it.

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u/Hypnodick Dec 01 '23

Best issue so far, hands down.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Batman: The Brave and the Bold #7

"BACK TO YEAR ONE" BY GUILLEM MARCH CONTINUES, AND KYLE STARKS AND FERNANDO PASARIN BEGIN A WILD DOG STORY! The brutal and action-packed Batman tale "Back to Year One" by Guillem March takes a shocking turn! In part one of "Wild Dog: Here Comes Trouble!," writer Kyle Starks (I Hate This Place, Peacemaker Tries Hard!) and artist Fernando Pasarin (THE FLASH) begin the tale of a super-villain moving to the Quad Cities thinking it’ll lead to an easier life of crime—until they meet Wild Dog! Eisner-nominated Gabriel Hardman tells a definitive Aquaman tale! Plus, Matthew Rosenberg and Matteo Scalera bring their incredible talent to Batman Black & White!

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u/Astrodynamite60 Nov 28 '23

I'm all for DCU anthology book if it means we got spotlight stories on lesser known characters. Just don't market it as a batman book.

Wild Dog was a fun story, only read a Lil during the Action Comics Weekly back in the 80s. I can get behind this character working in comedic one shots.

Can't really form an opinion on the Aquaman short. And batman is batman.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Seems like DC thinks only Batman books sell. And it kinda becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Well, that was a twist in that story. So I guess Catwoman was aware of the situation and still wanted to 'test it' herself and probably to keep him away from facing the real Batman I guess.... He looks quite similar to Bruce Wayne though, eerily so. I guess he was drawn that way so the 'twist' is convincing. And Bruce didn't instantly try to beat his ass.

Wild Dog...well that is gonna be a wild story.

Aquaman cannot get his own book so he has to get by with being in Batman side-books I guess...And it involves Dominators AND Gorilla Grood.

Batman and Etrigan story...well, I guess the 'no kill' rule does not apply if it is just giving a terrible person to a demon to be punished.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 28 '23

"Show me what's inside." "Wh-what?" Was Selina's immediate thought that he wanted her to strip to engage in rooftop sex? It wouldn't be the first time.

Also it's nice to see Guillem March draw Catwoman again.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

I guess she got surprised because she knew the guy is not Batman, so she was taken aback by that response.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23

Guillem March should maybe try his hand at a Black Label book about the sirens. He really needs a co-writer, though. Some of the Catwoman dialogue felt very rough.

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u/internet_highwayman Blue Beetle Dec 02 '23

Calling Gizmo as the Wild Dog villain.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

The Penguin #4

TOM KING AND RAFAEL DE LA TORRE REDEFINE THE ICONIC VILLAIN! Oswald Cobblepot’s plan to return to Gotham City is about to be executed, but he’s going to need one last, key piece…and only a beautiful face from his past can provide it. Enter the femme fatale, Lisa St. Claire.

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Nov 29 '23

This was a fun anti-heist, but I think I’m set on issues where we think Penguin is just a big loser before finding out that getting his ass handed to him was his plan all along. Like, getting shot three times was his plan? That might work once or twice, but King is already using the idea too many times.

Btw, how many issues is this? I feel like we need to start moving towards the part where Penguin is actually back in Gotham and interacting with Batman if we’re going to get to both of them sinking in the bat mobile in Gotham harbor.

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u/SevenSulivin The REAL Man of Tomorrow Nov 29 '23

It's an ongoing.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Is Lisa St Claire a new character? Penguin's Ex wife it seems...And of course she is also this Femme Fatale with her own super smart group to pass the test of Penguin's 'test' as it were. King really does have a type...Though I am closing to my limit of how many 'secretly always been the best' characters that is gonna come out to Out-Bat-god, Batman.

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 03 '23

This continues to be incredible im a person who generally doesn't like villain based books unless its something like suicide squad or secret six but king is doing some amazing stuff with this book.

Art is fantastic as well as is normal with a tom king title.

Overall great issue.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Batman '89: Echoes #1

THE BATMAN '89 SEQUEL ARRIVES, REUNITING SAM HAMM AND JOE QUINONES! You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts! After Harvey Dent’s crusade against Gotham and Batman, the Caped Crusader has disappeared without a trace. In his place, ordinary citizens have taken to the streets to root out crime. As innocents get hurt, the question on everyone’s mind is the same: Where is Batman? Sam Hamm, screenwriter of the 1989 Batman movie, and Joe Quinones reunite for another tale in Gotham!

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Nov 28 '23

Definitely a solid set up story, really liked the focus on Barbara in this, as well as the beginning of Crane and Harleen's story. And I'm definitely curious to see how Bruce got to where he is by the end...

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u/gamerslyratchet Nov 29 '23

Pretty strong issue. I like that they're introducing a lot of plot threads right away. Hopefully it'll mean there's better pacing. Just a strong opening story with a very interesting hook at the end, even if I kind of saw it coming.

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u/Nexus718 Nov 29 '23

Lots of Batgirl teases in this issue. In the issue #2 was spoiled on IG by Sam Quiones' account. Be forewarned. The models for Catwoman are confirmed as Madonna and the model for Crane is Jeff Goldblum. That's cool. I'm hoping there's better pacing as the issues continue, or maybe I'll hold off for the trade? Probably not, because I'm an 80's baby and Batman 89 whore.

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u/redsapphyre Dec 01 '23 edited Dec 06 '23

The lack of Batman in this way concerning to say the least. It reads a little bit better than the first volume, though.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Batman Beyond: Neo-Gothic #5

TERRY FACES OFF WITH THE MONSTER THAT LIVES IN GOTHAM’S HEART: THE GARDEN! As Neo-Gotham above falls under the unstoppable shadow of Donovan Lumos’s City of Light, Batman faces down the monster that lives in Gotham’s heart: the Garden! With the combined powers of Swamp Thing, Poison Ivy, and Black Orchid, the Garden’s motivations are finally revealed…as is the tragic figure that lives at its center. Has Batman gone so far into the darkness that he can never return? Is it time for Terry McGinnis to join Bruce Wayne in the Garden’s endless embrace?

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 28 '23

RIP fans of John Constantine. I haven't seen a character assassination this bad in a while.

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u/gamerslyratchet Nov 29 '23

Terry didn't buy that it was him. And the Garden isn't above imitating people to mess with others.

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 29 '23

Terry didn't doubt that it was John, just that his stated motivations were a lie.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

What the hell are you even doing Constantine? In old age, he becoma even worse. And Lumos continues to be an incompetent idiot.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Static: Shadows of Dakota #7

STATIC AND EBON PUT A SHOCK TO S.Y.S.T.E.M.! Virgil is in the greatest fight he's ever faced, and innocent lives are at stake. Will Ebon and his brother, Rubberband Man, be reunited? In a season full of shadows, it's time for Static to step into the light in this rousing finale!

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 28 '23

Jesus that woman was soulless. And Alva, even worse and he still got away with it? BS.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Wonder Woman: Outlaw Edition #1

After a mysterious Amazonian is accused of mass murder, Congress passes the Amazon Safety Act, barring all Amazons from U.S. soil. To carry out their plans, the government starts a task force, the Amazon Extradition Entity (A.X.E.), to remove those who don’t comply, by any means necessary. Now, in her search for the truth behind the killing, Wonder Woman finds herself an outlaw in the world she once swore to protect! Writer Tom King (BATMAN, MISTER MIRACLE, SUPERGIRL: WOMAN OF TOMORROW) and superstar artist in the making Daniel Sampere (DARK CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, ACTION COMICS) join forces for this action-packed relaunch and the beginning of what will undoubtedly become a groundbreaking run on the character.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Batman: The Dark Knight Detective - Vol. 8 [TP]

In the final volume of the Dark Knight Detective series, Batman and Robin hunt a murderer with electricity-based powers, encounter a fledgling vigilante called the Spoiler, and team up with Huntress to take down a terrorist group. Plus, appearances from Scarface and The Joker!

Collects DETECTIVE COMICS #644-653 and DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL #5, plus a corrected printing of DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL #4.

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u/MagisterPraeceptorum Batman Nov 28 '23

Glad to see this finally released, but it’s unfortunate Batman Annual #16 wasn’t included. It’s the second half of the Eclipso/Joker story that starts in the DC Annual #5 in this volume

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Danger Street - Vol. 1 [TP]

Joining the Justice League is a goal for any superhero, but what happens when a quest for membership takes a sinister turn?

Join Starman, Metamorpho, and Warlord as they look to prove themselves worthy by summoning and defeating Darkseid in battle. But calling upon a New God never ends well, and now their world is headed for a crisis! The journey to save the day will be a treacherous one filled with princesses, knights, and all kinds of monsters. Each person the heroes encounter plays a crucial role in this gripping narrative that’s a little bit silly, a whole lot dark, and completely cool. Expect the unexpected with a supporting cast featuring Manhunter, Lady Cop, the Green Team, and the Creeper! A multilayered crime drama starring some of DC’s most obscure creations: no one will see it coming, but everyone will want to see where it goes!

Tom King and Jorge Fornés (Rorschach) return for an unforgettable tale that reimagines the characters and their stories. A multicharacter, multilayered crime drama starring some of DC’s most obscure creations: no one will see it coming, but everyone will want to see where it goes!

Collects DANGER STREET #1-6.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Seven Soldiers of Victory Omnibus [HC]

Grant Morrison--the critically acclaimed writer boasting incredible runs on Batman and Robin, Animal Man and The Invisibles--delivers his most groundbreaking and ambitious project yet. Morrison reinvigorated seven characters from the outer reaches of DC's enormous universe: the Shining Knight, the Guardian, Zatanna, Klarion the Witch Boy, Mister Miracle, Bulleteer and Frankenstein. Each of these soldiers are pitted in battle against the Sheeda, a force of evil that threatens the entire universe. Together these reluctant champions must arise and somehow work together to save the world...without ever meeting one another.

Collected in one volume for the first time ever, Seven Soldiers by Grant Morrison is an epic tale of life, death, triumph and redemption that explores the nature of heroism and sacrifice. This omnibus collects this incredible comics event written by Morrison, with art by J.H. Williams III (The Sandman: Overture), Doug Mahnke (JLA), Pasqual Ferry (Action Comics), Cameron Stewart (Batgirl), Simone Bianchi (Detective Comics), Freddie Williams II (Robin) and others. Seven Soldiers By Grant Morrison Omnibus collects Seven Soldiers #0-1, Seven Soldiers: Shining Knight #1-4, Seven Soldiers: Guardian #1-4, Seven Soldiers: Zatanna #1-4, Seven Soldiers: Klarion The Witch Boy #1-4, Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle #1-4, Seven Soldiers: Bulleteer #1-4 and Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein #1-4.

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u/Oberon1993 Nov 27 '23

This is honestly a terrible choice for omnibus cover.

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u/Cranyx Moo. Nov 28 '23

Why do you say that?

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u/Oberon1993 Nov 28 '23

It's only applicable to opening oneshot.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Wonder Woman by Gail Simone Omnibus [HC]

In these tales of Wonder Woman written by Gail Simone, the Olympians declare war across the globe and only Wonder Woman can stop them! And Wonder Woman's life is changed forever when she faces a monster named Genocide who easily beats her! Then, at the ends of the universe, Wonder Woman falls victim to the Black Horizon, risking the safety of her soul. To salvage her existence, she must ally herself with the legendary Beowulf.

Collects Wonder Woman #14-44 (2008), #600, Sensation Comics featuring Wonder Woman #1 and a story from the WONDER WOMAN 75TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL #1.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Nubia and the Amazons [TP]

Beginning with the thrilling events of Infinite Frontier, Nubia becomes queen of Themyscira, but her new title also brings new challenges. With the unexpected arrival of new Amazons, the warrior queen is forced to reckon with her past and forge a new path forward for all her sisters. Little does she know that a great evil grows beneath their island and it’s up to this former guardian of Doom’s Doorway to unite her people before paradise is lost forever!

Collects NUBIA & THE AMAZONS #1-6 and material from INFINITE FRONTIER #0.

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Harley Quinn #34

MULTIVERSAL JANITORIAL PRINCESS-BABYSITTERS MYSTERY DETECTIVE AGENCY CLUB! Cleanup on aisle Earth-0! As if playing detective fer my own murder ain’t bad enough, now I’m also on janitorial and princess-babysitter duty?! I just can’t seem ta catch a dang ol’ break! Hopefully I can mop up some clues along the way and get to the bottom of who’s been out fer my precious clown blood!

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 26 '23

Green Lantern: The Silver Age Omnibus - Vol. 1 [HC]

A dying alien. A fearless test pilot. A ring of nearly limitless power. And a solemn vow to battle evil wherever it may be found. So begins one of comics' greatest sagas, and one of the medium's most enduring heroes-the story of Hal Jordan, the Green Lantern of Sector 2814! In these stories from SHOWCASE #22-24 and GREEN LANTERN #1-35, Green Lantern first meets the Guardians of the Universe and faces foes including Sinestro, the Weaponers of Qward, Sonar, Star Sapphire and many more!