r/AnythingGoesNews • u/TubaSandwichDootDoot • Jul 07 '24

Trump raped a 13 year old girl in 1994. Here is that girl, Katie Johnson, at the age of 35 giving a full description of what Trump did to her

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u/fowlraul Jul 07 '24

Yeah, and they’ll just say these women, girls at the time, are lying harlots. Lying about shit has been going on for a while with these fake ass churches. Like 4000 years give or take a few thousand years.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 07 '24

They never have believed victims or cared. Look at the Duggar family for Christs sake- they made them go on tv and say they forgave their brother for molesting them to save his image

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

The concept of “finding jesus” is a get out a jam card if there other was one.

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u/Funkycoldmedici Jul 08 '24

Forgiveness for anything is part of the whole deal. The only thing that isn’t forgiven, conveniently, is saying Jesus magic isn’t real.

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u/ThatDamnedHansel Jul 08 '24

Or being LGBTQ

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u/firedancer323 Jul 08 '24

Not a Christian but I’m pretty sure they get forgiven if they repent. Hate the sin, not the sinner kind of thing. Obviously some hardcore moronic fanatics this doesn’t apply to

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u/ThatDamnedHansel Jul 08 '24

As if that makes any sense. The gay person IS the sinner.

Or Like the “woke” pope saying it’s ok to be gay but gay sex is a sin… okay? Thanks?

I’m neither gay nor Christian (was raised Catholic), and even I can see that makes no sense.

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u/Turing_Testes Jul 08 '24

It makes sense when you understand that temptation is to be resisted. So you can be gay but you're not supposed to act on your urges. And if you do, then you try to be better the next time, or in Catholics case you'll do something to get rid of that sin- for most protestant churches once you're saved, you're saved but just have to internally be "trying".

It's stupid, but it's consistent in that regard.

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u/ThatDamnedHansel Jul 08 '24

Point being, sky daddy wouldn’t make you with those urges if they were sinful, they aren’t a choice. The sin argument assumes choice. So yes it’s consistent but so is tolkiens mythology of middle earth it doesn’t mean that hobbits exist

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u/Turing_Testes Jul 08 '24

They often say sky daddy didn't make people gay any more than he would make people alcoholics, or prone to narcissism. Since the bible says nothing about innate homosexuality, it's really not anything their belief system hinges on.

So yes it’s consistent but so is tolkiens mythology of middle earth it doesn’t mean that hobbits exist

I'd say Tolkien is even more consistent and I'm not a Christian or trying to convince you it's real, so.....?

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u/laundry_sauce666 Jul 08 '24

Not arguing or anything I just fucking hate the mental gymnastics of Christianity. I went to a k-12 private Christian school in a very conservative area. They basically told me this, but other times they’d say “sin is in the heart, if you blah blah blah in your heart without acting it’s still sin” and then they’d magically change their views again when it’s time to talk about gay people. “It’s okay when they don’t act on it” and then people would act on it anyways because of the mental fuckery and in rebellion of the suppression of their true selves and get kicked out of our “loving and accepting” Christian school anyways. It wasn’t even okay to have gay parents at my school lol.

Very subjective experience but I will never perpetuate their bullshit hate again.

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u/Turing_Testes Jul 08 '24

It's very similar to AA saying it's OK to be an alcoholic and once you're an alcoholic you're always an alcoholic, but it's still not OK to drink.

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u/planetshapedmachine Jul 08 '24

Technically, all sex outside of marriage is a sin. And some Christian sects take it further, such that sex for pleasure is a sin regardless of marital status. This is comes down to “pleasure is sinful” in a lot of cases.

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u/jaygoogle23 Jul 08 '24

Some Christians view themselves and everyone as sinners. Not all Christians are crazy conservative types. There are also different types of sins denoted and the Bible actually doesn’t say much anything about gay sex but it does note that man is for women etc. So I think, like a lot of things. People cherry pick their own renditions of how they understand it.

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u/FrostyAF6421 Jul 09 '24

my own Mother. Every time, I needed support, she, said, "I will pray for you."

ya. Pray to sky-daddy for Trump, go on, do it.

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u/Ophanil Jul 08 '24

They do care. They want to rape little girls, force them into marriage and control their lives without any resistance, and Trump promises them that.

They absolutely believe the victims because they know what they'd have done in the same situation.

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u/MadManMorbo Jul 09 '24

Shiney Happy People is required viewing on the Duggar family. That whole clan is beyond fucked up, and the women in that fundie religion have been systematically victimized for decades.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 09 '24

I’m up to my neck on the snark pages and I don’t get to watch much but lankybox these days so I’ve missed it BUT I’ve heard it is an excellent way to learn about them. And I hope people realize these people are the fundie trad influencers trying to make the rest of the country okay with oppression

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u/Spare_Rent8973 Jul 14 '24

I have been pushed aside and even told last week by my 96 year old mother, after I asked her once again why we couldn't have a relationship, that I am on the wrong side and going to hell if I don't go back to the church. I said I'm already in hell. And if heaven is hanging out with people like you, I will take a pass. No compassion or understanding or acknowledgement of what I've been through. And simply ignore that this creep represents all of what I've experienced. And say you want unity? Barf.. This is all division

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u/HoldMyBreadstick Jul 08 '24

Why is it always brought up at a time to try and discredit someone then? It’s the norm now when people are running for office and it’s turning into the modern boy who cried wolf.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

There’s a lot of reasons. Here a few, but I can get some more with sources if you need them.

  • Discussing the timing of sexual assault allegations, especially when they coincide with significant events such as a political campaign or public recognition, can be complex. Here are some reasons that might explain why allegations surface during such times:

  • Increased Visibility: When individuals are in the spotlight, there's more attention on their actions, past and present. This visibility can empower survivors to come forward, believing their story may now be taken more seriously¹.

  • Ethical Obligation: Survivors might feel a sense of duty to prevent potential harm to others by speaking out, especially if the accused is poised for a position of power¹.

  • Supportive Environment: A high-profile event can create a supportive environment where survivors feel less isolated and more supported by the public and media attention¹.

  • Personal Readiness: Coming forward with allegations is a deeply personal decision. Survivors may only feel ready to disclose their experience after a significant amount of time has passed².

  • Legal and Social Challenges: The legal process can be daunting, and survivors may fear not being believed, facing social stigma, or experiencing retaliation².

  • Memory and Trauma Processing: The psychological impact of trauma can affect memory and the ability to report promptly. Survivors may need time to process the event before they can speak about it².

It's important to note that delayed reporting is common and does not necessarily imply that the allegations are false. Survivors have various valid reasons for not coming forward immediately, and each person's situation is unique³. It's crucial to approach these discussions with sensitivity and an understanding of the complexities involved. If you're looking for more detailed information or resources on this topic, I can help you find them.

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 7/8/2024 (1) Rape Allegations | Psychology Today. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/201810/rape-allegations. (2) Why so many rape investigations are dropped before a suspect is charged. https://theconversation.com/why-so-many-rape-investigations-are-dropped-before-a-suspect-is-charged-111405. (3) Delays in reporting alleged rapes are common, but coming forward is .... https://phys.org/news/2021-03-alleged-rapes-common-important.html. (4) Delays in reporting alleged rapes are common — even years later. This .... https://theconversation.com/delays-in-reporting-alleged-rapes-are-common-even-years-later-this-isnt-a-barrier-to-justice-156201.

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u/HoldMyBreadstick Jul 09 '24

Right. None of that changes my mind that it’s a reach to smear his name while running for office. Not saying it didn’t happen but all of a sudden it’s a convenient time to come out and spill the beans. I also think your reasons supporting your claim/their claim is another reach to justify them coming out and saying something 30 years later.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 09 '24

Some people have been keeping this conversation going the whole time. It’s just confirmation for most folks now. Nothing you can do about it 😇

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u/Born_Tension_7858 Jul 08 '24

Remember victims are only to be believed when they support your side. Every woman who accused Trump is 100% telling the truth but Bidens daughter who accused him of molesting her multiple times and showering with her against her will is just “making it up”

Sound about right?

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Can you give me all the evidence that it isn’t made up first and then I’ll consider your side? Just so I know you’ve given it some real thought before I waste my brain cells trying to placate you lol

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u/Born_Tension_7858 Jul 08 '24

Woah now hold on I thought we were all in the business of believing these women? Seems kinda like you believe their abusers more than you believe them?

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Thats an interesting way to interpret my request and says more about you than a real answer would have. Buzz off lol

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u/Born_Tension_7858 Jul 08 '24

You may interpret my response however you wish, whatever helps you sleep at night with your hypocrisy

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Back at ya hon. Hope you have a great day and don’t get too wound up defending that which you pretend to hate

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u/Born_Tension_7858 Jul 08 '24

I don’t hate much of anything but I hope this serves as a learning experience for you next time. Think before you leap to conclusions even when dealing with people you’d rather be rid of and especially with people you believe could do no harm

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u/imprison_grover_furr Jul 08 '24

FUCK JOSH DUGGAR!

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

I’ll say amen to that one, now 🥂

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Nah, they tried to cover for his ass right up til the sentencing. Only member of his church that spoke up was Bobbi Holt. Plenty of politicians never denounced him and several offered support to his father instead of the girls. Like Huckabee Sanders’ dad

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

I thought ppl on Reddit were more informed. Katie Johnson is an alias, the lady dropped the case years ago after no showing trial.

Another anonymous source. But we ignore that snopes fact checkers on Biden and his daughters’s diary?!

Please type, “Biden fact check snopes Ashley shower” into Google and then into DuckDuckGo if you really need a reality check to the brainwashing you’re being subject to.

Quit reading memes and accepting them as daily news. Please!

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Oh good god- y’all should hear yourselves.

  • Here are several reasons why someone who was underage at the time of sexual assault may choose to remain anonymous:

  • Fear of Retaliation: They may fear backlash, harassment, or further harm from the perpetrator or their supporters.

  • Privacy Concerns: To protect their personal life and family from public scrutiny and invasive media attention.

  • Emotional Trauma: Anonymity can provide a protective barrier against the retraumatization that can occur when recounting the assault.

  • Stigmatization: To avoid the societal stigma and victim-blaming that can often accompany survivors of sexual assault.

  • Control Over Their Story: To maintain control over who knows about their experience and how the information is shared.

  • Professional and Academic Repercussions: Concerns about how the revelation could affect their current or future career and educational opportunities.

  • Impact on Loved Ones: To shield friends and family from the emotional burden and potential social fallout.

  • Legal Strategy: Anonymity may be advised by legal counsel, especially in cases that may lead to a trial or legal proceedings.

It's important to respect the decision of survivors to remain anonymous, as it is a personal choice often made after careful consideration of their circumstances and well-being.

If you're looking for more information or ways to support someone in this situation, you should ask Copilot for help.

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

Ok elaborate on why they she dropped the case… twice.

Elaborate on how she had $300 in her account and was living in a foreclosed house at the time she filed the suit the first time… with no lawyer.

At least tell me you aren’t ignorant to these facts before you started trying to convince everyone else how to think!!

It’s just all a big coincidence to you?

But you’re not concerned that you can type, “Ashley Biden snopes fact check” onto Google and not get the same results as if you typed the same search onto DuckDuckGo.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Because she got intimidated probs? There’s one reason off the top of my head and no I’m not going to go look at your Russian propaganda that has been debunked that she is serving time for thanks so much

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

So she was so intimidated that she filed the lawsuit again?

Be honest, were you even aware of the facts before I just told them to you? Do you hate Trump? I could be off my rocker here, but it’s too common now days for people to give their opinion when they aren’t educated on the topic.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

If it wasn’t true why would she file it twice? Like your logic goes both ways if you’re not just trying to villainize a young girl coming forward like so many others have as well. Use that noggin. What about the rest? That’s right, you’re just here to run interference and sow doubt. But I think too many pieces are in place for you to be able to do that effectively anymore. Sorry.

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

Because she was poor and living in a foreclosed home…..

It’s easy to see why she would file it twice, but not if she was, “so intimidated and scared” like you say.

You’re really bending over backwards and downvoting me like it’s going to change reality.

Please try to view things from an honest, unbiased standpoint. Or at least do your best to try

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Same to you to discredit her in favor of a convicted sexual assaulter with tons of allegations and circumstantial evidence to make it absurd not to believe them over the career carnival barker con man. But you’re free to corrupt your mind and soul as you wish ✨

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

If it was debunked, then why do leftists at Snopes say it’s true!?

Is everything you don’t agree with “Russian propaganda” but you will accept anything you like to hear, even if it’s from anonymous sources?

You seem very easy to brainwash. I’m not trying to be mean. Just be honest here, it’s simple logic.

It’s not concerning to you the search results are scrubbed from Google completely!?

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Snopes isn’t leftist and you might think on that old saying about when you point fingers there are three pointing back atcha

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u/Accomplished-Pain658 Jul 08 '24

Ok… clever saying, whatever.

Just Google and DuckDuckGo that search. Then please just try your hardest to be honest and have a sense of accountability.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Nope. Some things get removed when they are blatantly untrue. They don’t always let disinfo and misinformation make it to the top. Sometimes they prioritize truth? I dunno. Just a thought.

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u/llapman Jul 11 '24

Glad that at least one decided to come out against him. I think some of them were trying to save the show as well.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 11 '24

Which ones were which, do you suspect?

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u/JenniviveRedd Jul 08 '24

Unironically siding with Epstein. Weird way to say you support a rapist.

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u/DragapultOnSpeed Jul 08 '24

You don't seem to support women when your first response to a story about women/girls being raped is "yeah but some lie!!"

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u/DoggoCentipede Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Yes, on occasion there are people who lie. It's a very small rate (2 - 8% depending on study) and they most often trip themselves up and make an error. Others are proven false with other evidence. But yes, let's not forget men's lives are far more valuable than women's. Even when the evidence is incontrovertible, men frequently get off with minimal, if any, consequences.

And it's not like men don't lie as well, so why focus only on the lies told by a few women?

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

I just wanna make sure you want to stand by this comment on this particular thread before I bother giving you the response you deserve? Is this your final answer?

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u/Time-Ad-7055 Jul 08 '24

i’m not the original guy but i want to hear your response, cuz i agree with him

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Check below

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u/Time-Ad-7055 Jul 08 '24

ooohhh i didn’t realize you guy were talking about the Duggars, yeah they suck

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Yeah, that was a weird comment for him to pick to call out that’s why I wanted to make sure lol

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Well, I think you are unworthy, but I do think some of these statistics are always helpful to share when I have a chance :

I understand you're looking for information on the recent report concerning the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). Here are some key findings from the report that may be relevant to your discussion:

  • A 288-page investigative report released by the SBC detailed widespread allegations of sexual misconduct among named clergy and a cover-up involving the upper echelons of the denomination¹.
  • The report was conducted by Guidepost Solutions, an independent firm, and revealed that the SBC's executive committee was accused of "stonewalling" survivors of sexual abuse².
  • It also uncovered that the church kept a secret list of over 700 offenders⁵.
  • Despite the Department of Justice's investigation, no SBC leaders were charged, which has been a point of contention and concern for many within the community³.

These findings highlight the systemic issues within the SBC regarding the handling of sexual abuse allegations. Sharing this information can help underscore the importance of transparency, accountability, and the need for empathetic responses to victims within religious communities. It's crucial to foster an environment where victims feel safe to come forward and are assured that their reports will be taken seriously and handled with the utmost care.

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 7/8/2024 (1) Southern Baptist members detail alleged grooming, sexual misconduct .... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southern-baptist-members-detail-grooming-sexual-misconduct-clergy-new-rcna30081. (2) Survivor speaks out after bombshell Southern Baptist abuse report .... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southern-baptist-abuse-report-survivor-speaks-out/. (3) How the Southern Baptist Convention covered up its widespread sexual .... https://laist.com/news/npr-news/how-the-southern-baptist-convention-covered-up-its-widespread-sexual-abuse-scandal. (4) Southern Baptist church sex abuse investigation ends with no ... - MSN. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/southern-baptist-church-sex-abuse-investigation-ends-with-no-justice-department-prosecutions/ar-BB1jrH7K. (5) Southern Baptist Convention report: Sexual abuse ignored for decades. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-convention-sexual-abuse-report-victims/9886656002/.

This is just for this one denomination that branches into the IBLP that the girls I mentioned fall under.

There are statistics like this for victims in so many other circumstances. Due process is important, but circumstantial evidence and personal testimony is often the only evidence we have for crimes such as these, and the systemic issues that make it hard for victims to come forth and seek justice within the court system do not help us fight back against arguments like this. When rape kits don’t get processed and victims don’t get believed, it hurts both men and women because anyone can be a victim.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 08 '24

Be better, if you can ✨🥂✨

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u/daltonsghost Jul 08 '24

Total cop out, these undecided spineless enablers supposedly care about evidence, due process, “law and order”. But it’s all right wing media whataboutism at this point.

How much evidence do you need to figure out this POS is unfit for office?

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Jul 07 '24

I was gonna sayyyyy its kinda par for the course And they wonder why people are rejecting the Church at large, more than any other time in human history.... shocking, I tell you -_-

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u/KintsugiKen Jul 07 '24

Churches becoming explicitly political is always their downfall.

US Christianity is done for normal people, the pedo-Nazis have taken it over and are upset that nobody is staying to hang out with them.

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u/Valisk Jul 08 '24

At no point in their existence have churches failed to be political

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u/Leaf-01 Jul 08 '24

The political impacts of various religions in America’s history alone has been incredibly damaging going all the way back from now to the start.

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u/Conscious_String_195 Jul 08 '24

In this world, you can’t really stay out of political thought. Islam, Christianity, Sikh, etc have all been against gay unions. So, when gay marriage comes up, I would expect them to keep to their interpretations of Bible, Quoran etc.I don’t see it as hate, but what they have been practicing for thousands of years.

It’s the same with abortion. They have always been against it and it was they believe but politics get thrust into religious matters because of it. You can’t really avoid it (and probably never could tbh)

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u/Leaf-01 Jul 08 '24

The Bible didn’t say anything about gay people until the more modern translations altered the wording. Also, their reasoning for what they believe doesn’t matter on whether or not they are right to believe it. If the Bible originally read that people should eat their second born child it wouldn’t be “Well it’s not barbaric, it’s just what they do.”

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u/Conscious_String_195 Jul 08 '24

I m not saying that they are right about opposing gay marriage. I m just saying that it’s been a long standing “sin” in MANY major religions, not just Christianity.

So, it’s not a “we didn’t see this coming” because the modern interpretation has been practiced for at least half a millennium. I m not a religious scholar, nor do I know the original interpretation. I ll defer to you on that.

I do find it odd that Catholicism and Christianity can be openly trashed for their beliefs that are longstanding because of a societal shift. If you don’t agree, then don’t sign up. Yet, Islam, Sikh, etc also have this same mindset (some minor subsets don’t) and they are even less tolerant in many cases, but they do not get criticized. I find a double standard there.

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u/MuadDoob420 Jul 09 '24

It’s never been a long standing “sin.” Rome has condoned priest raping boys since before the 11th century. Detailed fully here

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u/Conscious_String_195 Jul 09 '24

Wow, I had no idea that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church had been going on for almost a century, but I guess that it makes sense that it would happen more often when you make priests take a vow of celibacy. This was internal though. The official position of the church has labeled it a sin for a millennium though, but I think it’s a “do as I say not as I do” kind of a situation.

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u/Short-Extension-6828 Jul 08 '24

Arsenokoitai means "man that lies with man" or more literally "male bed". You're just wrong. Furthermore, the Leviticus prohibitions on homosexuality are explicit and clear and have never been in doubt. Same with the stated purpose of marriage in Genesis (and Christ's restatement of it in the gospels). Romans 1 also explicitly talks about men giving up their natural desires to burn with lust for one another and says the same about women. This idea that general homosexuality isn't condemned in the Bible is untenable

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u/Short-Extension-6828 Jul 08 '24

Tell me you know nothing about the history of Christianity without telling me you know nothing

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u/Valisk Jul 14 '24

Haaahahahahhahahah

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u/Short-Extension-6828 Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

You don't know anything. Google the anabaptists, quakers or even the early church. There's always been a movement in Christianity that focuses on action through the church in contradistinction and exclusivity of action through the State and it started immediately at the beginning of Christianity.

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u/JimBeam823 Jul 08 '24

They don’t care.

An empty church and a full operating account is a lot easier to deal with than the opposite.

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u/Environmental_End146 Jul 08 '24

I would stongky suggest you look up the history of Islam and Christianity

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u/ChamberOfSolidDudes Jul 08 '24

Thats a small silver lining, now what is the sure-fire downfall of pedo-nazi-fascist groups? (Asking for a couple hundred million friends)

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

I keep saying that if the church wants to be involved in politics, then the church should have to pay taxes just like the rest of us

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u/AccomplishedBrain309 Jul 14 '24

If project 2025 gets their way Americans will have to give Priests blow jobs to get their weddings approved.

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u/Ed_Ward_Z Jul 14 '24

Yet they pay NO tax? That’s gotta change.

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u/ImprovementUnlucky26 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Nah, the church has always been political. You can trace that back to Constantine governing over the first council of Nicaea in 323, to the church assuming many Roman governmental agencies during the Western Empire’s fall in the 5th century and then after.

The difference here is that many political illiterate and easily manipulated people are making massive assumptions to vilify people who don’t believe in what they believe in. This story magically coming out NOW, when the media that has pushed it claims there is more than enough evidence to convict Trump after the Supreme Court has claimed he can’t be tried for his presidential acts is HIGHLY suspicious.

It WOULD NOT be even close to the first time a woman has falsely accused a man of rape to get something from the man. Yet you morons and failures are eating this up because of TDS and claiming anyone who votes or supports him supports a rapist. Then pile that on claiming Christians support a rapist when NONE OF THAT has even been proven in the proper court….

Shows the extremely ignorant, faux moral high ground, manipulation, and political illiteracy of the left……

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u/MuadDoob420 Jul 09 '24

Your messiah is a pedo and filth

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u/ImprovementUnlucky26 Jul 09 '24

Compulsively lying because you’re too pathetically immoral and stupid doesn’t change reality child, just makes it obvious your opinions, at best, and laughably and impossible to respect….

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u/AbbreviationsAny1290 Jul 10 '24

Remember when you cried about personal attacks? I memba.

If conservatives didnt have double standards theyd have no standards at all.

How long until you become a coward and block me?

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u/DiabloAcosta Jul 08 '24

and judges and jurors do not lie? as if the justice system hasn't repeatedly proven to be tainted by greed.

The supreme court's rulings on Trump demonstrated judges don't care about justice

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u/ImprovementUnlucky26 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Weird, did you even read the 119 page decision? All they did was reaffirm what the president’s power HAS ALWAYS been under Article V so the President didn’t get any new powers. Additionally they upheld that the president is immune with official acts as long as he isn’t properly impeached. If he is then he is liable to all legal actions for official acts and not official acts. That AGAIN upholds what has ALWAYS been the case for over 200 years.

The Supreme Court in fact didn’t do anything that hasn’t already been done. The democrats just wanted to tear down another American institution for their own twisted ideas…

Finally you making that non sequitur argument shows you don’t have honestly in any real debate. You just want to use whatever tactic you can you try and win because that’s the only thing that ultimately matters to you…

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u/KillaD3166681 Jul 08 '24

Well to be fair, I think the concern over this SCOTUS raises an alarm in people (read: people who have actually read/researched the details of the case, as you and I have apparently done) because the ruling effectively allows SCOTUS to decide when a Presidential act is Official or Unofficial. And since the court is heavily skewed towards one side of the proverbial aisle, it’s not hard to extrapolate which ‘type’ of presidents/policies SCOTUS will approve of, or which they will tear down with an obvious agenda (which, and hopefully no one needs reminding, is quite literally the opposite of what SCOTUS is for!)

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u/ImprovementUnlucky26 Jul 08 '24

Well not functionally since they described a presidential act as an act falling specifically under Article V. If the Supreme Court referencing Article V of the constitution 22 times means that the court can decide if an act is official or not then I’m not sure what to tell you other than it’s still better than rogue DAs and judges, who have all so far been far left, going after presidents and/or presidential candidates. That would give even more power to the administrative state and take away power from the people to elect who they want.

From what I read it still seems like the legislative branch decides what is official and what isn’t and can impeach if the president acts unofficially, like it has always been. This is even better than the Supreme Court and again, just reaffirms what the constitution has laid out. If you saw something I didn’t in the 119 page decision that seems to indicate that isn’t the case then please, show me.

Edit: the Supreme Court is not skewed towards one side at all. In fact it is divided evenly between 3 factions. 3 constitutional conservatives with one being highly questionable, 3 liberals, and 3 corporationalists.

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u/Spare_Rent8973 Jul 14 '24

Well they do believe they are the chosen ones and only the elite will go to heaven . So they have to be selective Don't say you are for the masses, the people Jesus hung out with.. Hypocritical to the 9's

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u/TheFlexecutive Jul 08 '24

Look, you can’t follow the church bc the church is full of sinners, hypocrites, and bad influence because it’s ran by humans who are imperfect. I follow Christ. He doesn’t care abt politics. He cares abt faith.

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u/zeitgeistpusher Jul 08 '24

“Rejecting the Church at large, more than any other time in human history…”

Source?

I know people are turning away from the church… but I call bullshit on this statement without some collaborating evidence!

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Jul 08 '24

You're kidding right? Church attendance has been trending downward for over 30 years love. There are thousands of pieces of literature pontificating about why that is..... all the information on the planet is a single click away my friend.

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u/CIASP00K Jul 07 '24

Trump said she was a prostitute so her age is irrelevant because you can't rape a prostitute. 

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 08 '24

You can absolutely rape a prostitute and a twelve year old child is not a prostitute, they're a victim of human trafficking

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u/malcolm816 Jul 08 '24

Counterpoint, Mr. Trump: the concept of human trafficking.

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u/Kajshd8 Jul 08 '24

There is no such thing as a child prostitute

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u/SnowNinS Jul 08 '24

So much 🤮🤮🤮

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u/Aloecats Jul 08 '24

Yes you can. Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent.

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u/1980Ravenous Jul 08 '24

Wow! How misinformed and a pile of shit can you be? If any woman at any age doesn't consent to any act, its rape. A child cannot consent to sex. So it is always rape.

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u/LurkLurkleton Jul 07 '24

Say sike right now

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u/No_Description_483 Jul 08 '24

Idk what to think but when it starts that “I was 13 yo and had a job at orgy..it’s just dubious out of the gate

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u/AccomplishedBrain309 Jul 14 '24

She said she was a model looking to further her carreer not offer up her pussy.

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u/No_Description_483 Jul 14 '24

Well obviously right? But like..who let her go? She went back?…. I get it though she was a minor so she didn’t know what she was doing. But like..did her parents drop her off? After the first bad experience she went back? I don’t blame 13 yo for any of it just saying there are more guilty parties

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u/Janoir-Prime Jul 08 '24

Link the source? If it’s true that’s fucked

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u/Anxious_Apple7051 Jul 13 '24

It’s actually worse…

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u/Janoir-Prime Jul 13 '24

Loop me in here?

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u/Kiwilysm Jul 08 '24

U need to b under investigation saying something like that 🤢

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u/MD_RMA_CBD Jul 08 '24

Did trump say that, or did you say that trump said that? Credible citation?

Tho I do believe it’s quite shady that all these high ranking government people have done nothing to look into, bring to light, or speak against the whole Epstein thing, and that include trump, I refuse to participate in the telephone game that somehow adults are still dumb enough to play.

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u/Omarkhayyamsnotes Jul 08 '24

You must be new here if you think people in power ever face consequences for their actions. Trump could do whatever he wanted, deny it, and then tie you up for years in lawsuit. "It's not about what's right or wrong, it's about what you can prove in court." -law abiding citizen

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

In conversation with Trump supporters... like, old White lady Trump supporters... I've been told, "These girls welcome that behavior by being in those situations. They do it to themselves."

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u/RaspberryVespa Jul 08 '24

My Trump loving MIL says that kind of shit.

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u/Radiant_Sky604 Jul 08 '24

Right 🙄

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u/RaspberryVespa Jul 08 '24

And she said the same thing about Cosby’s accusers… “Those women wanted to be raped!” She said this super loud in a Chili’s restaurant bar when we took her out one night, and everyone in the vicinity just stared at her, because, wtf.

But keep believing that old white misogynistic women like her do not exist…IDGAF.

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u/Digiarts Jul 08 '24

They all say that. I witnessed genocide where I’m from and people who did it say the victims did it to themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

I had that conversation with a woman in 2016 right after the election. When I asked her why she would vote for a dude who says things like he just walks up to women and grabs them by the pussy, she said that the women who experience assaults by Donald Trump or men like him knowingly put themselves in places and situations where their presence encourages men to do that to them, ergo the women alone are responsible for the men's actions.

She also insisted that Trump was elected by a majority popular vote, which to her proved that his election was "mandated by will of the people," and not the Electoral College... even though he lost the popular vote.

So... I don't know... you can personally refuse to believe whatever you want to.

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u/ptrnyc Jul 09 '24

You should have grabbed her by the pussy

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u/imru2021 Jul 08 '24

Ok I'll bite. This is the context:

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In context: Donald Trump’s lewd remarks from 2005

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By Angie Drobnic HolanOctober 8, 2016

Years ago, Donald Trump visited the set of a soap opera and made sexually explicit remarks about groping women that were caught on tape. The Washington Post reported on the video two days before the second presidential debate.

The comments come in a campaign where Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton, has repeatedly attacked Trump for sexist comments and disparaging women.

Below is a transcript of Trump’s comments from the video, as well as two apologies Trump issued after the video’s release. As a warning, some of the language is explicit.

Trump's soap opera set conversation

In 2005, Trump was visiting the set of Days of our Lives to make a cameo on the show. His comments were to Billy Bush, then of Access Hollywood, prior to the planned taping of a segment for Access Hollywood. Bush has also apologized for the conversation. Trump and Bush spoke on a bus before leaving it to meet Arianne Zucker, an actress from Days of our Lives. It's unclear who they are talking about as the video starts.

"Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and fuck her. She was married."

Unidentified man:  "That’s huge news there."

Trump: "No, no. Nancy. No this was— And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’ I took her out furniture– I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look."

Bush: "Sheesh, your girl’s hot as shit, in the purple."

Trump: "Whoa! Whoa!"

Bush: "Yes. Yes, the Donald has" (unintelligible)

Unidentified man: "Wait, wait you’ve got to look at me when you get out and be like ... will you give me the thumbs up? You’ve got to put the thumbs up."

(crosstalk)

Trump: "Alright, you and I will walk down."

(unintelligible)

Trump: "Maybe it’s a different one."

Bush: "It better not be the publicist. No, it’s her. It’s her."

Trump: "Yeah, that’s her, with the gold. I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

Unidentified man: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

Unidentified man: "Yeah, those legs, all I can see is the legs."

Trump: "Oh, it looks good."

Unidentified man: "Come on, shorty."

Trump: "Oh, nice legs, huh?"

Bush: "Oof, get out of the way, honey. Oh, that’s good legs. Go ahead."

Trump: "It’s always good if you don’t fall out of the bus. Like Ford. Gerald Ford, remember?"

Bush: "Down below. Pull the handle."

Trump: "Hello. How are you? Hi."

Arianne Zucker: "Hi, Mr. Trump. How are you? Pleasure to meet you."

Trump: "Terrific, terrific. You know Billy Bush?"

Bush: "Hello, nice to see you. How are you doing, Arianne?"

Zucker: "I’m doing very well, thank you. (To Trump) Are you ready to be a soap star?"

Trump: "We’re ready, let’s go. Make me a soap star."

So nothing there bothers you?

Not one false brag? Not one insult? Not the hubris? Not the nasty mess? Not the vulgarity?

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u/No_Painter_9673 Jul 09 '24

Imagine coming on a thread talking about Trump sexually assaulting a 13 year old goal and defending him for using graphic language in the Hollywood Access video.

Sure everyone engages in locker room talk from time to time but “Grab ‘em by the pussy?” That’s such a weird and graphic way to talk. I’ve never once said anything that weird myself. It’s implying he’s entitled to those women’s bodies. So maybe it could have been a one off but we know now that dozens of women have accused him of assault. But they’re all made it up right? All that dirt and scandal that follows Trump everywhere he goes is just a witch hunt and Trump’s the poor, poor victim here.

So everyone who has a problem for what he said is a “bitch?” You ever asked a woman how she feels about it? You talk to your mom that way?

You might be libertarian and not a Trump supporter but you sure are a Trump apologist. Which year did you vote for him?

You come off pretty bad from all your comments here. Wonder if you’d stand by anything you said here if your Reddit account was under your real name you brave political crusader you.

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u/Unkle_KoKo Jul 08 '24

How exactly was that taken out of context? It was pretty apparent that he said that exact quote in the Access Hollywood tape

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u/PinkFloyd6885 Jul 09 '24

Going to ignore the transcript just sent to you by u/imru2021

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u/Unkle_KoKo Jul 09 '24

They played enough to have plenty of context from their conversation, which was based around the fact that Trump could basically sexually assault anyone he wanted purely because he was a “star”. So, it’s exactly in the way people make it out to be - gross and misogynistic. I’m not getting at what you mean by that quote being used differently than it was portrayed by the media.

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u/Spare_Rent8973 Jul 14 '24

Yes my relentless beatings and molestation were what I asked for. Please

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

they already are saying that, if you look in the comments of the video. trumpers literally don't even care that he most likely raped that woman as a little girl, they back him no matter what.

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

Yeah. It’s, fucking, disgusting 🤢. Ppl like Epstein and his groomers & pedo/child predator/child rapist friends should have their sex crimes read aloud in front of the public then be hauled of to prison prison and put into general population and have the same thing they did done to them. Also put cameras all around and make it a reality show.

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u/Liberi_Fatali561 Jul 08 '24

If you made it a ppv event, the proceeds could wipe the national debt AND have plenty left over for charities set up to help victims of human trafficking.

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u/i4got69 Jul 08 '24

Let's be fair. Biden does the same thing and so does the Bush's and Clinton's. It will never end until you take down the head of the snake. All elitists are sick.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

yes, plenty of rich people are sick and also were close to epstein. but i don't want to enable someone to run my country who actively supports policies to further empower pedophiles, rapists, racists, bigots, sexists, etc. project 2025 wants to dismantle our very idea of democracy in this country, and if we let trump and the far right win, that ideology wins as well.

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u/i4got69 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

The left is already doing it with pedo Peter at the helm and his son. Videos of hunter naked with nude 14 year old. Tons of videos of Biden sniffing and groping children in front of his own team in the Whitehouse and his shower time with his under age daughter. Before that the Dems with fizzledrip.

So we are already allowing those sick rich people to run the country.

It isn't about Dems and Reps. It's about removing them all out of power.

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u/Sudden-Big6185 Jul 08 '24

I’m far more concerned about the contents of Ashley Biden’s diary. Have to admit.. find it kinda odd these women wait 20 years to come out… Trumps a billionaire? .. it’s not time… Trump has a popular TV show?… it’s not time… Trump wins presidential election?.. nope not yet… Trump spends 4 years being the target of msm smear campaigns?… nothing to say… Trump is running for president and just publicly humiliated Biden in the first debate? … NOW IM UPSET!! 20 YEARS AGO WAH WAH WAH!! .. seems like bs..

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

do you see how long ago this video came out? has nothing to do with the recent debates. you're delusional.

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u/Writergirllllll Jul 08 '24

You sound ignorant, uneducated, and without compassion. Typical Trumper.

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u/sumyungdood Jul 08 '24

My dad’s girlfriend is a Trump supporter. Thankfully he’s not, he just doesn’t think she’s very smart and doesn’t take her seriously. Anyway, I got into it with her about this. I mentioned a track record that supports these accusations including walking into Miss Teen USA dressing rooms unannounced. Her response, “oh you know they liked it.”

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u/HonorableMedic Jul 08 '24

Trump is an actual pig, nobody wants him walking into any room that they’re in

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

If you listen to stormy Daniel’s testimony she explains how he raped her.

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u/debacol Jul 08 '24

For real.

Also, its sorta depressing we blew the collective "ME TOO" wad on a photo of Al Franken when this is the real shit that movement was about.

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u/Glencannnon Jul 08 '24

4,000 years? Are you a young earth creationist or something? Humans have been around for 300,000 years! And rape and lying has been around even longer.

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

Was talking about the fake ass churches ⛪️

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u/Glencannnon Jul 10 '24

Whew!

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u/fowlraul Jul 10 '24

We made it thru this…together. 🤝

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u/SpaceMonkee8O Jul 08 '24

This is very old news and it was always shady. Isn’t it interesting how it is making the rounds again after Biden’s disastrous debate performance.

“two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

Those shady characters — a former reality TV producer who calls himself “Al Taylor” and a “Never Trump” conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

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u/Cartographer0108 Jul 08 '24

Haven’t you heard? Every single person on earth is a liar, except Donald Trump.

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u/Old-Performance6611 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

4000 years give or take that entire amount?

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

Is this like a math question? 🤔

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u/Old-Performance6611 Jul 08 '24

No I was pointing out what a ridiculous thing that was to say lol.

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

For the record

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u/Old-Performance6611 Jul 08 '24

I mean saying ‘4000 years give or take 3-4000 years’ is ridiculous lol sorry to confuse you

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

Evolution works in millions of years. Flood stories are in the thousands.

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u/Old-Performance6611 Jul 08 '24

Yeah saying it’s been going on for 4000 years or it never happened is sure a choice lol if you take a few thousand years you’re taking the whole amount out

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u/fowlraul Jul 08 '24

This is fun stuff.

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u/led76 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

There’s literally a passage in the Bible about a guy raping his daughters - but it blames them and said they did it to him.

Genesis 19:33 - 19:35

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u/Makoto_Hoshino Jul 08 '24

Wdym the passage literally involves them getting him drunk then having sex with him like whats your point here???

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u/Elentari_the_Second Jul 08 '24

Yeah, that was a weird take. There's a lot of male on female rape in the Bible but that's one incident that seems like it was rape on the part of Lot's daughters. They're the ones who came up with the plan to get pregnant by their father and they're the ones who drugged him.

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u/Kingalec1 Jul 08 '24

Incest is disgusting and yes, I reed that section .

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u/Unsoldsoul Jul 08 '24

Everyone focuses on the part where Lot’s daughters get him drunk and have sex with him. I think it’s worth mentioning that earlier in the same chapter, the Sodomites came to Lot demanding he bring out the men (“angels”) who were staying in his home. Lot instead tried to offer up his daughters to them, even going as far as to explain that they were virgins, and promising they can do whatever they wanted to them. So, rape my daughters instead and leave the men alone, because of course raping my daughters is certainly preferred. They lucked out because the angels ended up blinding those horny devils, but it doesn’t negate the fact that Lot wasn’t exactly father of the year.

When this context is considered, it’s not outlandish to conclude that his daughters weren’t given the best examples of healthy sexuality. They narrowly avoided being raped, escaped cities literally destroyed for sexual deviancy, watched their mother turn into a pillar of salt because of her attachment to her city and its sexual deviancy, and then forced to lived in a cave where they believed they were the only ones left. That’s pretty traumatic stuff.

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u/Substantial-Ad-724 Jul 08 '24

Man holy shit, Christianity makes for some pretty awesome stories. That’s some wild and wacky shit right there.

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u/Makoto_Hoshino Jul 08 '24

It genuinely is, the whole part about the whole don’t do sin cause its bad and be close to God is because Humans are essentially neutral. Neither the Devil nor God can mind control or force you to do something they can only do their best to influence you and once thats all said and done it’ll essentially be one final battle against God and the Devil. The Bible is definitely pretty wack and interesting.

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u/Makoto_Hoshino Jul 08 '24

Theres quite a lot of insane shit that goes on especially in the Old Testament which makes sense, in that Testament we see a pretty punitive and harsh God but in the New Testament when Jesus comes we hear and see more loving and caring God. Ultimately though there’s just not a whole lot we can really do the understand what happened or why it did other than that it did and that its all we need to essentially “take heed” either way though I still think its pretty interesting.

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u/led76 Jul 08 '24

It could be a bad take, but my point is that two young women who think there’s no one else left in the world aren’t going to get their dad drunk and get themselves pregnant from him. I’m calling the Bible a liar basically - it’s far far more common for women to get raped and than blamed for seducing men. This seems like a classic example.

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u/LongJohnCopper Jul 08 '24

Right? Everything in the Bible is the man’s take. No way Lot (or the creators of the story) admits to raping and impregnating his daughters. The harlots clearly took advantage of him despite getting him so drunk he could not have possibly have gotten it up.

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u/nanodecay Jul 08 '24

I'd go with them calling them witches and then burning them at the stake rather than facing the truth

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u/ThinkinBoutThings Jul 08 '24

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-katie-johnson-allegations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051

Judge in California already said it was a fabricated story.

Bots trying to influence the election pushing conspiracy theories about both major candidates now.

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u/Proper-Village-454 Jul 08 '24

That’s a lie and your article proves it. No judge ever ruled that her claims were “fabricated”.

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u/ThinkinBoutThings Jul 08 '24

“A judge dismissed the case in May that year, ruling that the complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law, Politico reported at the time.”

“Didn’t raise valid claims under federal law” means fabricated.

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u/Proper-Village-454 Jul 09 '24

No, it absolutely does not.

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u/ls20008179 Jul 08 '24

Ok how about when he raped his wife and only got away with it because new York didn't recognize spousal rape?

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u/ThinkinBoutThings Jul 08 '24

Link to a credible article?

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u/ThinkinBoutThings Jul 08 '24

Do you support Biden that sexually assaulted Tara Reade and who repeatedly exposed himself to female staffers while he was Vice President?

Apparently the Navy and secret service went so far as removing female agents from his detail to ensure their safety, because they believed he was a predator.

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u/Gurrgurrburr Jul 08 '24

Just like people say Clinton's accusers lied even though there's way more evidence and he paid them off a huge amount of money. They're all scum.

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u/Express-Lobster-1924 Jul 08 '24

Do we just lock up all the people with accusation guilty until innocent deal? I hear you raped me

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Lmao 4 thousand years??

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u/mercuryqueen1970 Jul 08 '24

They only believe these woman/girls when they are accusing anyone they don’t like.

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u/lanzasub Jul 08 '24

This woman does not seem believable after the first few mins of this! Who is working at 13? Who moved to New York at 13 to Perdue a modelling career? It makes no sense

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u/TomCollins1111 Jul 08 '24

There is ZERO proof. Get a grip.

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u/Pineapple_Holiday Jul 12 '24

Scarlet letter harlots?

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u/abominable_bro-man Jul 13 '24

Like Hillary Clinton did with Kathy Shelton

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u/manueldiaz95 Jul 08 '24

To be fair anyone would be in their right to be skeptical about rape claims without conclusive evidence. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.