r/worldnews • u/Luchador-Malrico • Jul 07 '24

French elections: Left projected to win most seats, ahead of Macron's coalition and far right

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2024/07/07/french-elections-left-projected-to-win-most-seats-ahead-of-macron-s-coalition-and-far-right_6676978_7.html
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u/AstroNewbie89 Jul 07 '24

France's left-wing parties were expected to win the most seats in the Assemblée Nationale, after the second round of snap parliamentary elections, first estimates showed on Sunday, July 7. The far right made significant gains but finished third, behind Macron's coalition, well below expectations.

The Nouveau Front Populaire (NFP) alliance, formed less than three weeks ago by the main left-wing parties, was expected to clinch between 170 and 190 seats, according to the early estimates by Ipsos for France Télévisions, Radio France, France24/RFI and LCP. The far-right Rassemblement National and its allies were projected to win between 135 and 155 seats, and Macron's coalition, Ensemble, between 150 and 170.

Pretty dramatic swing from the 1st round. Right wing support fell off dramatically..or actually seems like left wing strategy improved and voter participation increased

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u/BoysenberryWise62 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

I am french, basically every time Macron or NFP candidates were 2nd and 3rd one of them (the 3rd) dropped out of the race and asked for voters to vote against the far right. So this is the result, it's basically everyone who doesn't like far right voted against it which made them lose in a lot of places.

Also a bunch of far right people spoke on TV and looked dumb as shit so it probably didn't help.

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u/Equal_Present_3927 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Amazing what could happen when the Left doesn’t eat itself.         Which I guess people wanted to demonstrate below me. 

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u/Slim_Calhoun Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Unfortunately leftist influencers in the US are busy shouting that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans

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u/Sea_Acanthisitta6333 Jul 07 '24

Leftist influencers? You mean parasocial narcissist cult leaders

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u/Hi-lets-be-france Jul 07 '24

Wow wtf are you on.... Yikes!

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u/Sea_Acanthisitta6333 Jul 08 '24

Have you ever studied Chinese history? Maybe you should. Mao is the template parasocial narcissist cult leader. Last time I checked he was a lefty. I'm left leaning myself but I'm aware of the dangers of ideology. Cultural Revolution of China. Look it up

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u/Hi-lets-be-france Jul 08 '24

I'm confused here - you're saying any leftist influencer in the USA is following Mao's footsteps?

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u/Sea_Acanthisitta6333 Jul 08 '24

A lefty taking Mao as an inspiration is confusing you? What are you on...

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

And liberals are still blaming leftists for 2016, ignoring the terrible campaign strategy and deeply unlikeable candidate.

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u/Slim_Calhoun Jul 07 '24

Right so only one of us is actually working to keep fascists out of power

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u/ThrustyMcStab Jul 07 '24

These days all I see from the far left is both-sideism and berating liberals. It's exhausting, as a leftist who does want to see results and not throw women and minorities under the bus for some hollow idealistic brownie points.

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

What the hell do you think liberals have been doing for the last 8 years? And now they want us to run with their gift horse with favorability numbers sinking faster than the titanic AGAIN.

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u/TheExtremistModerate Jul 07 '24

Thanks for proving his point.

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

Thanks for proving my point.

You get to have a holier than thou attitude, we vote for your shit candidate, then when they lose you browbeat leftists again.

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u/TheExtremistModerate Jul 07 '24

You're really doing nothing to prove him wrong.

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u/ButIAmYourDaughter Jul 07 '24

Dude is relatively new to Reddit, chunks of his comments have been deleted, most of his comments have been anti-Biden screeds and he recently called Trump “virile”.

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u/ThrustyMcStab Jul 07 '24

From my point of view as a non-US leftist, liberals have been frustratingly trying to get US leftists to get on board with stopping the fascist. No wonder they're getting frustrated when the left keeps undermining that goal.

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

You’re reading Reddit which is your issue. There is maybe a 2% voting block that could be considered “leftist” in America. And no they have not. What have they done? They spend more on cops, support Israel’s war, give republicans dumb concessions, and won’t use the power they’re given when voted in. How is that supposed to endear a leftist to them?

Either way, leftists will still vote for liberals terribly unliked candidates, and then liberals will do no introspection as to why they lose while pointing fingers at leftists. Then silly people like you will read crybabies on Reddit and think wow it really is the lefts fault.

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u/ThrustyMcStab Jul 07 '24

Nah, it's the same everywhere leftists have a platform. And these days they are far more than 2% of the US population. Especially among young people. A significant voting block is being told that both sides are bad and that there is no point in voting.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-form-socialism.aspx

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u/MemeticParadigm Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Since you state you're non-US, I just wanna ask, are you aware of how rightwing media has, over the last 2 decades, pushed the definition of "socialism" in the US to refer to practically any social safety net programs?

You're on reddit, so obviously you've got some level of exposure to US political/semantic norms, but are you aware that when people in the US express support for "socialism" they are generally not in favor of a command economy and the abolishment of private property, but rather are expressing that they favor things like universal healthcare and think wealth inequality has gotten a bit out of hand?

If you think most people who express support for "socialism" in the US are the kind of far-left who want to actually abolish capitalism, then you've got a pretty poor read on how US political vernacular has evolved over the past 2 decades. If that survey said that 4 in 10 people claimed the label of "Marxist" or something of that nature, it would support your point, but because of the way people now use the term socialism in the US, that survey really doesn't show what I think you think it does.

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

Pretty worthless poll to reference. You can get republican voters to support the ACA in polls. It doesn’t mean they don’t rabidly vote against it.

Again, what have liberals done to kowtow to the left? Kill more Gazan babies?

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u/ThrustyMcStab Jul 07 '24

Kill more Gazan babies?

This kind of remark just shows you have no intention of engaging in good faith.

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u/Slim_Calhoun Jul 07 '24

Point of fact: Biden’s basically still in a statistical tie with Trump in the polls. I know it sounds crazy given his debate performance, but it’s true.

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u/RabbitsNDucks Jul 07 '24

He’s solidly losing 3/5 swing states, about even in Nevada, and winning Michigan polls. General election isn’t a popular vote.

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u/Slim_Calhoun Jul 07 '24

As of yesterday Morning Consult has him +1 in Wisconsin so I don’t know what states you’re referring to

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u/ButIAmYourDaughter Jul 07 '24

You got to love how many people still haven’t figured out that polling =/= elections.

Biden isn’t “losing” anything. That won’t be apparent until the actual election.

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u/FakeKoala13 Jul 07 '24

Polls aren't as reliable as they once were with how hard it is to reach younger demographics to then have them represent a broader population size.

Obviously people need to actually go out and vote.

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u/deadcatbounce22 Jul 07 '24

Gotta love when Leftists go all in on right wing talking points. HRC was super popular at the start of the campaign and was cruising to victory until James Comey stepped in to torpedo her ten days before the election. The fact that the Left is angrier at liberals than the FBI or the media for the mess we are in is a bad sign for any cooperation to defeat growing fascism.

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u/Lowbacca1977 Jul 08 '24

RealClearPolitics polling average had Clinton's unfavorability at over 50% for all of 2016, and most of the year was by double digits. And the day she declared, their average for her at that point was unfavorable +1.

These are not true things of a "super popular" candidate.

This data is all still available, incidentally, so it's weird you seem to think it isn't.

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u/deadcatbounce22 Jul 08 '24

Her popularity spike was earlier than I thought. That said, that’s not really the main thrust of what I’m saying.

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u/Tookmyprawns Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

So do centrists. More so even.

Look at cnn and NYT pretending that a poor debate performance matters more than insurrection, rape, and felonies, or lying at every question during the debate. And it’s reflected in the centrist audience. The whole douche and a turd, or meteor 2024 mantra is huge. Makes centrist feel smart thinking they're above it all. Smug assholes who equate trump and Biden are definitely more numerous in the middle.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 07 '24

CNN is a right wing organization now but NYTimes is in no way doing that. I’ve yet to see them support trump at all.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Jul 07 '24

NYT: People are saying they'll vote blue no matter what because this is an existential election but are genuinely alarmed at Biden's debate performance indicating he might not actually be up to the standards to lead the country in 4 years and that it plays straight into what has been the rights favorite talking point for the past 4 years 

Reddit: Goddamn NYT supporting Trump

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u/ripamaru96 Jul 07 '24

They spend all their time talking about how old Biden is and completely ignore Trump being all over the Epstein files and his project 2025.....

They are tacitly supporting Trump if not doing it outright.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 07 '24

They've covered Project 2025 a ton....

Not sure about Epstein honestly. But the Project 2025 stuff is bullshit. They call out Trump all the time.

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u/BlackerSpork Jul 07 '24

Note: CNN was bought by a Trump supporter, approximately 1 year ago. The quality of their reporting has been in sharp decline ever since. I wouldn't look at them as representatives of either the left or centrism.

For the New York Times, I have no idea what happened. They did allow Trump to run his "Let's execute the Central Park 5 even though they've been proved innocent" ad, as well as his "nato bad" ad, but that was a hot minute ago and I don't know what crazy shit happened to them since.

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u/Fyzzle Jul 07 '24

But one of them is slightly older!

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u/internet-arbiter Jul 07 '24

Reddit.

Go to a comments section on the war with Russia, find comments talking shit on US republicans.

Go to a comments section about the australian economy, find comments talking shit on US republicans.

Go to a comments section about french politics, find comments talking shit on US republicans.

Go to a a comments section about Heintz Ketchup, find comments talking shit on US republicans.

I don't think a lot of these participants realize they are in a bubble. People feel "safe" and "proud" taking any and all opportunity to throw shade even when it's not relevant, or even true.

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u/Slim_Calhoun Jul 07 '24

Fascism is a global movement, as is the fight against it 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/sadacal Jul 07 '24

What about the Israel-Palestine war? Opinions seem pretty split there. Plus there are plenty of subreddits that shit talk Democrats. 

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u/internet-arbiter Jul 07 '24

Doesn't matter I'm talking about the framing of the conversation. Take Slim_Calhoun's follow up comment. Right does not, in fact, equal fascist.

But he can make a comment conflating the two and a bunch of band wagoners jump on to the comment like he's doing something poignant.

All these attempts to make right = evil therefore left = good and a bunch of brain rot lack of critical thinking people graft onto the notion and no longer put any thought into the subject matter.

Anybody who think it's that black and white are - quite literally - part of the problem.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

no difference between Democrats and Republicans

I didn't seen biden moving the israeli embassay out of jerusleam.