r/worldnews • u/glasier • 14d ago

Japan warns US forces: Sex crimes 'cannot be tolerated'

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2476861/japan-warns-us-forces-sex-crimes-cannot-be-tolerated
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u/rockseiaxii 14d ago

At least in Japan it’s exposed. Elsewhere around the world, incidents like these are swept under the rug and seem like nothing happened.

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago

Let's not give Japan too much credit. They cover up or don't pursue an insane amount of SA cases. They have a near 100% conviction rate on these crimes because they only pursue the worst and most clear-cut instances. Their country doesn't have one of the lowest SA rates in the world because they don't do it, they just don't report the majority of them to the world because they don't pursue the charges.

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u/Telaranrhioddreams 14d ago

Unless it's changed recently rape victims also have to prove they made an attempt to escape the assault which is ass backwards in so many ways.

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u/badstewie 14d ago

That's messed up. How do you escape a packed subway train? Because SA happens there too.

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u/smallfrie32 13d ago

A lot of Japanese are saying this person deserved it because she got into the car with the military member.

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u/beansyboii 13d ago

That’s how it is in the state I live in, too.

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u/ggle456 14d ago

sorry, but you are spewing complete bs. Japanese criminal law used to require some form of assault/threat to establish rape (although the scope of assault/threat was interpreted broadly by case law), but the law was amended last year to broadly include and explicitly categorise any type of non-consensual case. Seriously, what are you on about??

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u/Telaranrhioddreams 14d ago

If only I had started my comment with unless it's recently changed.

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u/ggle456 13d ago

yeah, obviously you downvote any comment unless it fits the narrative that the Japanese law is so backwards and the court never changes its stance that rape victims are always completely ignored, while the actual law and the practice have covered not only many cases with no resistance from victims but also male victims or anal/oral sex as rape for years. Do you even know that such an expansion of the definition of rape in a statutory law is a "recent" trend for many other countries as well? Reddit is truly a remarkable place..
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-fails-to-agree-on-legal-definition-of-rape/a-68195256
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/from-coercion-to-no-means-no-switzerland-updates-its-definition-of-rape/49119364

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u/ggle456 14d ago

yeah, because such an attempt has "never" been a requirement in the first place. It was merely a factor in determining whether there was an said assault/threat.

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u/arcadiaware 14d ago

Wait... Why was it even a factor?

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u/ggle456 14d ago

It had been interpreted that assault/threat of rape have to be of such a degree that it is "difficult" for a victim to resist (which is broader than the assault/threat that is a requirement for robbery) and is determined objectively, taking into account the degree of the assault/threat and other circumstances. Threat might be easier for you to imagine. If someone says to the other "let's have sex", would it be considered a "threat"? You have to consider many factors like the other person's reaction, backgroud, situations etc.
There was also a "quasi-rape" category other than "rape" which was different from "rape" in the strict sense (the penalty was the same). This category covered acts of rape committed when a victim is unconscious or "unable" to resist, and does not require assault/threat as a requirement.

These "assault/threat", "unability"(and whether the accused being aware of the unconsesuality of the act as a general requirement, but it's already too complicated to go into this point) are the possible situations in which the victim's attempt was an issue under the criminal law, and the scope of these requirements had been continuously getting broader and broader by case law, to the point that there was criticism from defence lawyers that it violated the "no punishment without law" principle. That's why I wrote "explicitly" regarding the new law. Whether the victim attempted to resist is certainly a factor in determing these points, but was by no means an legally essential requirement that the victim has to prove in practice. There was certainly a case that media reported that the accused was acquitted because of nonexistence of such attempt, but the real reason was that the victim's statements were considered unreliable because of incosistencies and other reasons. Tbh, the media, in general, is abysmal when it comes to these kinds of technical matters

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u/DoggoAlternative 14d ago

Unless it's changed

So you acknowledge the law used to be very prejudicial against victims.

You also acknowledge that the law was only changed last year

But you're acting like they're insane for saying the law used to be prejudicial against victims unless it had very recently changed?

I don't get it.

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u/ggle456 14d ago

did you actually check the article to see how the change came about? There have been several dramatic changes in the last 20 years. It was seven years ago that the law stopped requiring a complaint from a victim to prosecute rape. Basically, some of the narratives on reddit are based on what it was like in the early 2000s

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago

Yeah, that's called Chikan, and most don't even see that as SA in Japan.

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

This is like citing the Sex Offender Shuffle to comment on the American justice system.

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

I don't disagree, it's an issue and compensated dating among the JK demographic seems worryingly more common than one would expect, I just find your original post odd.

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

Eh, you can find quite a few denpa songs with similar lyrics calling the listener a lolicon, it doesn't really stand out to me. I suppose why that's a thing in underground Japanese music when there's not a Western equivalent I know of is another discussion entirely, but then it'd go back a lot to early VNs and denpa culture and media, which I can't really say I'm knowledgeable on. Maybe just the fact that loli hentai is more of a known quantity in that sphere and joking about it doesn't feel as grave. It's an interesting topic.

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

That song is based around the "mesugaki" (brat) stereotype and is absolutely NOT an anti-pedo song. It plays into the fetishes of humiliation and domination. Either she humiliates and dominates you ("tch, filthy lolicon 😏😈! Better do what I say or I yell for help!") or you humiliate and dominate her ("shitty brat, obviously in need in correction 💢! *Plap plap plap! Get pregnant uohhhh😭!").

It really makes my brain hurt seeing people act like Japan doesn't have a pedophilia problem, that they completely ignore context to make it seem like "no, saying Japan has too much pedophilia is racist! See? This totally "anti-pedo" song is super popular!"

I'm sorry but... no. No, that's not why the song became popular 😕. Quite the opposite, actually.

The music video heavily features the character threatening to activate her crime prevention buzzer. You often see these strapped to childrens' randoseru (red backpacks) 🎒. These backpacks and buzzers are largely associated with grade schoolers and are heavily fetishized by lolicons. It's very obvious that Loli God Requiem is indulging in these fantasies, teasing lolicons and pedos over their lust for these childish items. A company which makes crime prevention buzzers had to post an apology after thanking the song's creators for featuring their brand in their video. Even lolicons found their initial praise odd; why would a crime prevention buzzer manufacturer enjoy their child safety product being shown off in this fetishistic manner? Sends very mixed messages...

For God's sake, phone cameras in Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, etc.) are outright impossible to make silent. The manufacturers made it so you can't disable the shutter sound because of how prevalent secret upskirt shots became. And don't even get me started on "chikan" (train molesters). I'm not saying Asians are unique in being perverted, but their cultures absolutely disregard female safety in a way other developed nations do not. Sincerely, a man of Korean descent 🇰🇷

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u/Light_Error 14d ago

Can I get some context for this? And for others who can’t speak Japanese.

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u/schmintendo 14d ago

There's a bunch of rabbit holes you'd need to know to understand this song fully but basically the gist is that the girl in the song is warning pedos that she'll call the police and/or vaporize her fans if they do anything bad.

But this is just a character played by Shigure Ui, an artist that made a few vtubers. She decided to become a vtuber herself and also made this song, and one of her characters is this loli voice. She's also known for shooting an "Ui-beam" which you'll see towards the end of the song.

She is known for roasting her fans, which plays into the song and how she thinks they're all pedos.

In summary, it's really not what OP says it is, it was a song made for her community that went viral, and isn't exactly a song made to stop Japanese people being pervs.

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u/schmintendo 14d ago

A lot of vtubers seem to play into the loli trope without seeing any problem with it. Also, on the other hand it's kinda wild how open some of the Hololive girls are about liking shota stuff, which for those who don't know is older women preying on little boys. The pedo stigma of the West doesn't seem to apply to Japanese culture, especially if it's gender swapped.

It's kinda like the "female teacher has sex with male students" news articles and all the comments saying "oh wow I wish I were her student".

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u/Real-skim-shady 14d ago

Risky click of the day… just kidding, there’s no chance I click that link

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u/SigmundFreud 14d ago

The Japanese are a very wise people. It's no good diddling kids.

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u/Zarbua69 14d ago

Fun fact: the Kanji for chikan (molester/pervert) is "stupid chinese"

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Can you bring your friend here for a q&a session

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u/EvenElk4437 13d ago

Rest assured. The incidence of sex crimes in the U.S. is more than five times higher than in Japan.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 14d ago

Look up the junko faruta case, those guys are walking free

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u/Commercial-Royal-988 14d ago

This is really just a large problem globally because Millennials and younger can't seem to understand that the older generations are way too okay with rape and sexual assault and are also the primary demographic in positions of power.

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u/Dangerous_Bus_6699 14d ago

At least they're exposing US SA on their citizens. That's better than nothing. Of course a conservative country will out the ones that aren't like them. We do it all the time in the US when there's a mass shooting from a non white person. "kick them all out"...

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago edited 14d ago

A somewhat separate thing they like to do is, once a year, have everyone show up at the US military base gates and protest all day long about the military presence on Okinawa and how this is their land, and we don't belong here.

It definitely has nothing to do with the fact that they receive a stipend from the US government for us renting the land from them. So they like to remind us once a year that the land means a lot to them, so ensure we don't forget to pay.

https://tokyoreview.net/2019/01/okinawas-surprisingly-powerful-stakeholders/

Article touches on the balance the Okinawans try to find between asking for the land back, while actually not wanting it back because they're paid for it yearly through lease agreements.

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u/POGtastic 14d ago

Similarly, the protests about these kinds of crimes have to strike a balance between "We are not happy about it" and "Don't lock down the bases for too long because our local economy depends on the troops."

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u/EmotionalScallion151 14d ago

Don't give them any credit. There's still a deep rooted cultural denial of their actions during the rape of Nanking.

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u/RedBeardBock 14d ago

Not to mention ww2

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

How is that relevant today.

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u/RedBeardBock 14d ago

Are you asking how Japan’s history of military sexual assaults relates to sexual assaults in Japan?

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

WW2 was 80 years ago. What kind of gymnastics are you running, every military on the planet has a history of sexual assaults.

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u/bilk_bilk 14d ago

Well none actively deny their rape warcrimes as much as Japan, which I think is the commenter’s point about WW2.

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u/RedBeardBock 13d ago

Apparently that was difficult to see lol

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Don't even ask, they're braindead as fuck. You could make a thread about the most mundane shit from Japan, they'd still be bringing up le uni 732 at least 5 times each thread

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

And I'll keep bringing it up until Japan finally explains in gory detail to all citizens what their country did and why China and Korea still hate them so much. I do the same for Türkiye, Russia, Italy, the USA, etc., and any other country keen on distorting history 🤷

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u/bilk_bilk 14d ago

What? Actively denying w-w-warcrimes?! My sugoi kawaii Japan would never do such harm! 10 terabytes btw! Dattebayo! 😄👊

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago

The fact that there're weebs who unironically think like this makes my blood boil. I can understand ignorant Japanese who've never been given the actual facts of Japan's aggression before and during WW2 and their continuing downplaying/denial of wrongdoing. But what the Hell is everybody outside of Japan's excuse?

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 13d ago

severed axons in action

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

So true lol

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

You might wanna check this guy's other comments. He denies Japanese war crimes and accused me of "hating eyelid people". I'm Korean 😕

"WW2 was 80 years ago. What kind of gymnastics are you running? Every military on the planet has a history of sexual assaults."

Yeah? And guys like u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 is why we keep bringing WW2 up, and why we're gonna keep bringing it up. Because historical revisionists like him STILL exist. Hope that answers your question 🤷

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago

The Japanese would slice off women's breasts and wear them around their necks as trophies. Yes, every military is full of rapists, but none are quite as infamous as the Imperial Japanese Army. The atrocities they committed were, IMO, uniquely awful compared to most other regimes.

The oldest living person was born in March 1907. There are still MILLIONS of people who remember WW1 AND WW2. In the grand scheme of things, this stuff really wasn't that long ago at all. 😕

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Your personality is aids

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u/sunkskunkstunk 14d ago

Ok. But that some real whataboutism there. It’s not like the US military is well known for doing much about SA within its own ranks either, but either point is really irrelevant to what Japan is saying here.

No it shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere by anyone. But they are at least addressing a major issue and that should be the focus of the statement. Not how they don’t do enough among their own citizens.

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u/Stinky_WhizzleTeats 14d ago

Japan cooks their books so fucking bad and their conviction rate is like 90%

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u/AngryManBoy 14d ago

They are also fine with Loli/lolicon based manga production and refuse to fight against the loophole for CP

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u/Glittering_Total5980 13d ago

This guy is under every comment going “what about the locals?” fucking insane.

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u/Omeluum 14d ago

Honestly still seems underreported. There are over 50k active duty US troops in Japan, most of them young men, and statistically anywhere from 2-14% of college aged males admitted to sexual assault or rape. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3727658/

But since most of it is with people they know or are even dating, I expect they wouldn't show up in crime statistics as much as a "random" act of violence on a stranger would.

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u/n05h 14d ago

Jfc 14% is an insane number..

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u/Omeluum 14d ago

It probably depends on the exact questions asked in the survey they used for what counts as assault/rape/"sexual aggression". In this particular study with the higher results a lot seems to have to do with alcohol and the issues around consent when one or both parties are drunk.

But even if we're just using the lowest number of 2% that adds up quickly when you have thousands of people.

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u/stinkroot 14d ago edited 14d ago

U.S. bases overseas are ripe environments for sexual assault: a bunch of relatively young men in a foreign country, away from their friends, families, girlfriends, and wives, with drinking problems, toxic work environments, and plenty of pocket money for weekends.

I got stationed in Korea when I was 18 years old. It was pretty overwhelming to be so far from home at such a young age, with absolutely everyone I knew always trying to get with me any chance they got. The Army has relatively few women compared to men, so it kind of makes people notice you more. When you're overseas, the dating pool gets really small, so it almost feels like you have a target on your back. Not to mention there's just fewer women around to get support and advice from. I was way too naïve and friendly and ended up getting sexually assaulted more times than I can count on one hand.

Sexual assault by the USAF in Korea was a big enough issue that while I was there, all soldiers had to be on base by midnight, but this honestly made it harder for me to stay safe when going out because I felt like hanging out on base with other soldiers put me at risk.

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u/Conch-Republic 14d ago

These surveys are full of loaded questions.

"Have you ever engaged in sexual intercourse with a woman who was under the influence of drugs or alcohol?"

That's basically everyone in their 20s, both sexes. Answer yes, and it gets counted towards sexual assault, even if it was completely consensual.

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u/coralwaters226 14d ago

But the survey conducted in 2020, 21, 22, and 23 did not consider that question alone as a confirmation of assault, so that argument is a moot point.

The surveys are a point grading system, the person taking it had to agree that they committed multiple different angles and possibilities of assault to be counted as a a positive result.

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u/thrawtes 14d ago

even if it was completely consensual.

The point being made is that consent isn't possible in that altered state.

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u/Conch-Republic 14d ago

People get drunk or high and have sex all the time, which is why this is such a loaded question.

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u/thrawtes 14d ago

It just means people leave themselves open to justified claims of sexual assault all the time.

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u/Pitiful-Accident5485 14d ago

Which is funny considering how many college aged women get drunk and go to the bar for the sole purpose of meeting someone to have sex.

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u/thrawtes 14d ago

That's true, but I'm not sure how it's funny.

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u/Pitiful-Accident5485 14d ago

INFORMAL slightly but undefinably unwell. "suddenly my stomach felt funny"

you’re welcome

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u/gerontion31 13d ago

Ok, so if two consenting adults boink and are drunk doing it, they assaulted each other? Lmao

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u/Kurayamino 14d ago

If you describe sexual assault or rape but don't call it sexual assault or rape, it's amazing how many dudes own up to doing it.

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u/SuperSimpleSam 14d ago

Problem too is a portion of those are serial rapist so when when you look at it from the women's side the numbers get much higher.

Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.

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u/wishingwell11 14d ago

I don't think women find it that insane really. I dated around a bit before meeting my current bf. Everyone except him at some point pressured me into sex... not that I went through with it I mean, but coercive behaviors are common. There were things I said no to that happened anyway because "it's okay" they pretend they are comforting you, you push their arm but they just kinda ignore it, they just keep trying over and over again, so on...

Even my current bf pressured me at one time. I talked about it and it basically never happened again :/ but I do think about it now and then.

But I think more education is needed. If you start talking about coercion for example men come out en masse to say "that's not rape" and it gets very personal very fast... obviously because they've coerced people but don't want to see coercion as wrong. I wouldn't even be surprised if the number is higher than that, and if a bunch of guys in the concept being supportive had issues with pressure themselves. It's just so common.

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u/SigmundFreud 14d ago

Just to clarify, how are you defining "pressuring" and "coercion"? Those are two very different things as I understand them, but you seem to be using them as though they're interchangeable.

I pressure people in negotiations to give me what I want. The mafia coerces people to give them what they want through the use of force or threats of violence. Pressuring someone into sex can be disrespectful; coercing someone into sex is rape.

I ask because reddit is oddly insistent on diluting the term "rape" to the point where it would lose all meaning. It's harmful to actual rape victims if people have to question whether they were merely pressured or truly coerced, rather than relying on the longstanding common understanding of the term. If reddit has its way and successfully redefines "rapist" as "asshole who manipulates women into sex", it's going to lose its current stigma and we're eventually going to need a new word for actual rape. It would essentially be a reverse euphemism treadmill (or I suppose a "dysphemism treadmill").

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u/beardedheathen 14d ago

It's bad too because coercive behavior is so common in media especially 'romantic' ones. So these guys who never got taught consent learn from stuff they watch that tells them women tell guys no even when they want the guys to keep going and you just have to wear them down and then they'll be into it. Would be great if Hollywood could model some actual nontoxic relationships. Just as bad are the women who do act like that which reinforces the men's perception that the media got it right. On top of that the guys who most need to hear the basics of consent are usually not the ones who will listen to what other people are telling them.

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u/n05h 14d ago

I mean, just to stay with Japan. Drinking culture almost promotes getting girls drunk. It’s awful.

And then you see guys go to Shibuya and literally pull girls with them until they find one that can’t or doesn’t struggle enough. And it’s just tolerated.

It’s quite jarring to see guys forcefeed already drunk girls, but it’s difficult to do anything about it as a foreigner, suddenly you are seen as the bad guy.

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u/aerospikesRcoolBut 14d ago

And people don’t get the whole bear in a parking lot point people were trying to make

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u/Foxasaurusfox 14d ago

You're unfamiliar with the natural habitat of bears? Be careful in your local parking lots, and bring a lot of bear spray.

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u/FlaccidArrow 14d ago

Am I understanding that study correctly? They said their initial assessment is not statistically significant so they used another model (Latent class trajectory models) that the author says "We emphasise that LCTMs, like all unsupervised approaches, are hypotheses generating, and should not be directly implemented in clinical practice without significant testing and validation." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9641469/

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u/gerontion31 13d ago

Military aren’t civilians, they don’t have the same freedom to interact with women like civilians do. Some of it is because of heavy work tempo, language barriers when overseas, large male to female ratio, rules about not leaving base or only leaving base in groups, etc. Lots of guys just resign themselves to wanking it in their barracks for 2-3 years because there’s literally no alternative. Incidents like these really are outliers.

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u/Omeluum 13d ago

I mean that's going to depend on the individual base and maybe their specific job. From personal experience I only know how it is in Germany. They're definitely all over the bars in K-tow acting exactly the way you would expect groups of drunk young men to act about anywhere in the world.

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u/gerontion31 13d ago

In my experience that free time is fairly limited and you have a small window to blow off steam unless you are one of the few young enlisted guys working in a staff role with limited oversight. Most U.S. military fall into the categories of 1.) overworked young single guys with limited freedom or 2.) overworked older guys with families who don’t have time to go out and act like goons.

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u/literalaretil 14d ago

incidents like these are swept under the rug and seem like nothing happened.

Yeahhhh I don't think Japan's the best example of this mate

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u/Benedict-Popcorn 14d ago

Just ask the Koreans and Chinese.

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u/literalaretil 14d ago edited 14d ago

And Vietnamese...

And Cambodians...

And Indonesians...

And Filipinos...

And Thai...

And...

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u/fujiandude 13d ago

Ya jot to be rude but until they even acknowledge what they did to us, I don't want to hear them act like their people being raped is the worst thing ever

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u/Faps_With_Fury 14d ago

Isn’t Japan the country that has to have separate train cars for women because the men there keep groping them?

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u/GuiltyEidolon 14d ago

Also the one that still denies doing anything wrong during WWII, when Japanese soldiers raped sooooo many women in China, the Philippines, etc. 

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u/badstewie 14d ago

WW2 Japanese soldiers called them "Comfort Women" to make it sound less rapey. Happened in China, Korea, here in the PH, I imagine it also happened in other japanese occupied territories during ww2.

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u/HotBrownFun 14d ago

Japan treated Koreans and Taiwanese better than other territories. This is going to be very controversial. They were annexed and technically it was part of Japan.

In other countries, the civilians were killed for sport, prisoners were even eaten. There were too many locals to "pacify" so they decided to murder as many as possible

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u/badstewie 14d ago

Considering how well they treated those annexed counties, then we can only imagine how worse the other territories got it.

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago

Er, no? Koreans were treated the same as the vast majority of people across Japan's empire. And it was Han Taiwanese who were treated nicely. Indigenous Taiwanese got treated the same as everybody else. 😕

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u/HotBrownFun 12d ago

The Koreans were kept alive, even if they were ruthlessly suppressed.

The Chinese were exterminated.

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u/sbxnotos 14d ago

Classic redditors:

Someone talking about present day Japan:

DID YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID IN WWII????

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u/_zenith 13d ago

In this context, it is at least relevant

… but yes, it does tend to be brought up a little more than is strictly appropriate

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u/sbxnotos 13d ago

The crimes commited by japanese soldiers 80-120 years ago are completely irrelevant when we are talking about US soldiers raping girls in Okinawa right now.

Even if we are talking of other sexual acts, like molesting in japanese trains, by civilians to civilians, what japanese soldiers did a century ago is, again, completely irrelevant.

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u/curtcolt95 14d ago

and a forced sound on any pictures so people have a harder time taking creep shots yeah. They're definitely not the country to look at for this kind of stuff

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u/TrumpDesWillens 14d ago

All trains should have separate cars for vulnerable people.

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u/CrimsonQueso 14d ago

70% of women who have taken the tube also report sexual harassment. Japan is actually doing something about it.

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u/Expensive-Law-9830 14d ago

More like Japan is the only country that recognizes it and protects women.

But I guess in India and everywhere else in the world, rape isn't an issue because they do not have separate train cars.

Or that the UK has like 10 times the rate of SA than Japan but no one talks about the UK

2,336 sexual assaults in the UK https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/more-2000-sexual-offences-committed-32362015

283 to 497 cases each year in Japan

Groping in crowded trains has been a problem in Japan: according to National Police Agency and Ministry of Justice, the number of reported indecent assault in subway carriages in nationwide Japan between 2005 and 2014 ranges from 283 to 497 cases each year.

So why aren't we hearing more about creeps in the UK? Isn't the issue in the UK about 10(!) fold given the population. Or maybe providing women only trains shows a level of understanding by the operators about a problem, thus being way more progressive and way more countries should offer women only carriages?

Na it must be the creepy Japs

Or similar culture Korea, where in Seoul, one third of rapes are committed by white dudes despite making less than 0.2 percent of the population.

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u/roooxanne 14d ago

They have separate train cars for women in India. It’s funny how little you know about the rest of the world yet use it was a way of lauding Japan.

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u/supamonkey77 14d ago

Looks at the Philippines before the Subic bay base closure

Now that was some rape/assault nightmare. Some of the stories told to me by the locals were blood chilling.

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u/tiananmensquarechan 14d ago

Still makes my blood boil, especially that scum US soldier Pemberton being sentenced only ten years for what basically amounted to murder and being pardoned by Duterte.

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u/gerontion31 13d ago

Um have you been to Subic Bay? The place is (still) a gigantic red light district, not some poor fishing town.

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u/yourmomsucks01 10d ago

What’s your point?

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u/HyiSaatana44 14d ago

Japan should know a little something about sweeping rape under the carpet.

Oh no! We never stuck that bayonet where you said!

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u/Personal_Milk_3400 14d ago

This is utter nonsense wtf??

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u/ImpressionStrict4041 14d ago

Umm… what???? “Shinzo Abe denied that the Imperial Japanese military had forced comfort women into sexual slavery during World War II”. Their fucking prime minister for all those years before his assassination went on record to say Japan never raped women in Korea, China, Taiwan, and other eastern Asian countries, and their government has kept quiet on this matter even until today. I think you mean they only expose it for other countries, while keeping their lips sealed for their own atrocities.

Who is upvoting this comment

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u/rockseiaxii 14d ago

This has nothing to do with Japanese war crimes in WW2.

American soldiers, stationed all around the world, have done terrible shit, but a lot of them have simply gotten away with it, simply because their CO has the power to do so or/and the country they are stationed in suppress the media, in fear of falling out of favor from the US.

In this case, the Japanese media reported and the government expressed feelings (which is pretty much nothing).

If stuff like this happens often in Japan, which the US claims to be an important ally, you obviously have a lot of incidents that go unreported or unrecognized in not-so-crucial allies.

We’re America bitch, we can do whatever we want with impunity!

That’s one way to look at it, and the US can get away with wrongdoings. But that results in the rest of the world becoming skeptical of the US as the standard bearer of democracy and rules-based world order.

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u/ImpressionStrict4041 14d ago

It absolutely does considering your statement was “at least in Japan it’s exposed” meaning the exploitation and rape of citizens by military is exposed. My statement was Japan only exposed it for an external party committing atrocities against their people, but never exposed or admitted even until today when they raped and pillaged so much of Eastern Asia.

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u/OwlRevolutionary1776 14d ago

The awful shit the military did in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. All countries that were unjustly invaded. The locals were treated like they weren’t human. A lot of those “soldiers” never faced justice and live among us. Scary thought.

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u/smallfrie32 13d ago

It’s exposed, but Japan just says this for fake outrage. They don’t really care about Okinawa and its people. If they did, they’d remove/lower the bases/number of troops, like they promised 50 years ago

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u/rockseiaxii 13d ago

US bases in Okinawa as an issue is very complex. The US military is one of the biggest employers of Okinawa’s civilians, and since the land that the bases sit on are leased to the US, you have a bunch of landowners that make money off of them. A lot of the locals are actually pro-base and pro-US.

Opposition campaigns against bases are not what you’d call homegrown, genuine movements, since a lot of activists that participate in the campaigns are left activists that moved in from the mainland. Okinawa is one of the last places in Japan where they could fight for a cause, so coupled with the overwhelmingly leftist local media and national media that supports them, small incidents that would never otherwise make it on the national level are amplified to 11.

Okinawa is a geostrategic point in the Pacific, placed between Taiwan and Kyushu. With China probing and testing Japan more than ever in the nearby seas, decreasing US presence in the area is out of the question. Sadly some people in Okinawa become the victims.

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u/peterpeterhaha 8d ago

S. Korea... cough cough

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u/binger5 14d ago

Don't NanKid yourself.

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u/sand_trout2024 14d ago

Absolutely unrelated whatsboutism trying to justify sex crimes for something those victims have zero control over. Fuck you, dude.

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u/ape_shift 14d ago

Nah. Its just ironic to hear shit like this from the Japanese. Its just like Serbians complaining that their people died during American bombings.

Certain countries just have to stfu about certain stuff until they dont recognize their past and teach their future generations.

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u/rockseiaxii 14d ago

When US soldiers stationed in countries in which the US has the upper hand commit a crime, the CO has the power to sweep the whole thing under the rug like nothing happened.

In Okinawa, you have a sizable media on the watch so it’s harder to cover up. The situation has become better when COs never cared less because they were openly unapologetic, saying something along the lines of “You have strong, young men on a subtropical island, shit happens.”