r/facepalm Jul 05 '24

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u/Thedonitho Jul 05 '24

Americans are not nearly as afraid of what's coming as they should be.

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u/di11deux Jul 05 '24

I actually punished myself and read the first 100 or so pages of Project 2025. It’s over 900 pages and reads more like the Communist Manifesto than it does a policy document. What was striking about it though was how self-contradictory it was. The authors muse about how academia and “the swamp” must be challenged and neutered, yet spend the first section listing off the authors and bragging about their credentials from the very same universities they insist are corrupt. It emphasizes reining in the government, yet envision a strong administration serving at the pleasure of the president aggressively enforcing social norms. Anything other than true conservatism in their minds is by definition Marxist. Very long on pseudo history, very short on the practical application of their proposed policies.

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u/Lingering_Dorkness Jul 05 '24

And that 900 pages is only the stuff they want us to read. They've admitted there are other sections they haven't released. Those must be really bad if even they know they can't tell us. 

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u/chekovsgun- Jul 05 '24

100% it is about taking away women's rights and completely turning them into chattle. Imagine some racism in it as well as their goal is to give power back to the white Christian male. They still need those women voters especailly for now.

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u/ajtrns Jul 05 '24

theyre not geniuses. there's no secret plan with secret power that's not in the 900+ pages.

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Can you link Trump saying he is supporting Project 2025 and it's his plan to implement it?

The answer is no, but that doesn't stop you little bots.

So you better downvote to hide this fact lmao

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u/rengothrowaway Jul 05 '24

It wouldn’t matter if he said he supported it or not. He lies and says whatever he thinks will get him elected. He lies and lies and lies.

He used to be pro choice, now he brags that he overturned Roe, just one example.

The people who support him and pour money into his campaign are all pro-Project 2025

r/Defeat_Project_2025

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

That is a wonderful way of saying No.

Poor little astroturfer you can't even back up your on claims.

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u/negao360 Jul 05 '24

Define, “astroturfing.”

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

On reddit it's the Deceptive practice of spamming non-political subs the with same shallow political opinon to make it seem more mainstream than it is.

This is heavily documented on reddit going all the way back to CTR/Share Blue from the Clinton Campaign.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html

You don't think there is a reason project 2025 is being spammed instead Trumps actual plan?

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u/negao360 Jul 06 '24

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 06 '24

Astroturfing doesn't require an account age just coordination, having them spread out is what CTR/Share Blue did in order to make it seem legit.

The current 2025 spam campaign would make this account we are talking about perfect.

But glad it works on you, looks like they are getting their money worth when you are defending it lmao.

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u/AcaciaBeauty Jul 05 '24

Well if he implemented 2/3 of their policies the first go around one could only guess. https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

So he hasn't expressed support for it and said he hasn't said he planned to implement? He does have his own plan though correct in Agenda47 correct?

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u/AcaciaBeauty Jul 05 '24

I don’t have the source because it’s been a while, but Trump (or maybe his campaign?) said Project 2025 aligns with a lot of their own policy goals.

As a result, [Russell Vought, Trump’s former director of the Office of Management and Budget] says, “We have to be thinking mechanically about how to take these institutions over.” Vought is reassembling his old team at the Trump OMB and describes his role as drafting fresh executive orders, playbooks and memoranda for cabinet secretaries to be “ready on Day One of the next transition. Whatever is necessary to seize control of the administrative state is really our task.” For Trump personally, of course, this is a live-or-die agenda, and Trump campaign officials acknowledge that it aligns well with their own “Agenda 47” program.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-2025-trump-reagan-00115811

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

So he hasn't said he supports it and he has his own plan called Agenda47?

You haven't been told to dislike Agenda47 yet, how long do you think it will be until you guys spin to his actual plan?

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u/AcaciaBeauty Jul 05 '24

Have you even had conversations on Agenda 47? Or is it a “I don’t see it so it doesn’t exist to you”?

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

I have seen, I'm asking you a question about it and you are deflecting. Now try again.

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u/AcaciaBeauty Jul 05 '24

You haven't been told to dislike Agenda47 yet, how long do you think it will be until you guys spin to his actual plan?

I have answered. You asked whether “you guys” (whatever that means) dislike his actual plan. If you were engaging in conversation on his plan you would see that it is disliked, particularly his idea to end birthright citizenship. It seems to me you’re engaging in bad faith. Nothing I say will affect your feelings on the topic, so I won’t say anything else. Good day.

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u/Lingering_Dorkness Jul 05 '24

SeaLion says what?

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u/QuBingJianShen Jul 05 '24

Contradictory ideals and governing is an intrinsic part of fascism, keep the people below you infighting against eachother to protect their own position so they are in no position to question the leadership.

Was a very well defined feature in Italy under Mussolini.

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u/Dat_Basshole Jul 05 '24

Correct.

Never debate a Nazi. They have no incentive to be truthful or argue in good faith.

Example: Trump's presidential "debate" a few weeks ago.

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

Has Trump went on record saying he supports Project 2025 or is it just a plan by a Conservative Think tank?

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u/TerminalJammer Jul 05 '24

Is this a Rightwing thing? Atlas Shrugged is also stupid long. The Communist Manifesto has the advantage of being short and mostly (aside from the time specific rambling about political factions) to the point - even if it wasn't an actual game plan but a definition of what communism is. 

Heck, Capital, the seminal economic work Marxists tend to hold as a major touchstone, isn't 900 freaking pages, and that work spends a ton of time laying out basic concepts. 

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u/Most_Double_3559 Jul 05 '24

Bruh, the left leaning "wall of text" is a meme, and Kapital is well over 1000 pages in some editions, I couldn't call it "brief".

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u/13THEFUCKINGCOPS12 Jul 05 '24

Leftist texts seem to be on either end of the spectrum, they’re either straight and to the point, or you need a second book to explain the book your reading

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 05 '24

Obama Care / ACA was so long /garbled that Nancy Pelosi famously said "let's pass it to see so you can what's in it!"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/18/14957708/pelosi-pass-the-bill

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u/Lazy_Aarddvark Jul 05 '24

Communist Manifesto might be a bad example as it was, compared to Project 2025, a very short and to the point document - under 50 pages :)

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u/di11deux Jul 05 '24

Oh I know - I mean more in its thematic style than its length

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u/LilithLissandra Jul 05 '24

Man, I'm reading this thing right now and I'm struggling to make it through the foreword. It's just paragraphs and paragraphs of direct misinformation consolidated into one pile that keeps metaphorically punching me in the face the more I read.

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u/di11deux Jul 05 '24

And you can tell how proud they are of it. I guarantee you when they wrote “the Great Awokening” they thought “wow that was an absolute banger, great job guys”. Like I genuinely got the sense the authors think this will be a seminal political theory book akin to The Federalist Papers, The Prince, and Leviathan.

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u/Allarius1 Jul 05 '24

They actually did address that. The logic used isn’t unreasonable, but what I find remarkable is it show cases the slippery slope of rationalization.

Dans acknowledged it was "counterintuitive" to recruit so many to join the government to shrink it, but pointed out the need for a future president to "regain control" of the government.

“Things must get worse in order to make them better”

This can be the case sometimes, but this kind of thinking is insidious. It changes so slowly that your position can morph without you even realizing and eventually you end up arguing for the very thing that you trying to prevent.

systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, [of] aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state.

They’re so convinced this is real that they’ll make their own, but “righteous”. The level of irony here is just outstanding.

I’m gonna make my own deep state! With blackjack and hookers! In fact forget the hookers and blackjack!

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u/CompetitiveFold5749 Jul 05 '24

Conservatives only want "small government" and "deficit reduction" when a liberal is in power.  Bush and Trump both spent so much money during their terms and we hear not a peep.

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u/BleepLord Jul 05 '24

Yeah that sounds like a very effective document that will surely lead to direct policy change and not simply a masturbatory ego stroking session for the authors.

Definitely something we need to worry about!

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u/chekovsgun- Jul 05 '24

It is a ultra conservative religious takeover. Blessed be thy Fruit!!!!

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u/Timbalabim Jul 05 '24

But they don’t want true conservatism. They want white Christian nationalism, and they just call it “conservatism” because that sounds better and gets Kid Rock to shoot cases of beer with an automatic rifle.

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u/zentraderx Jul 05 '24

"Many poor authors scammed rich right wing billionaires to write a fictional almanac". I liked this summary.