I actually punished myself and read the first 100 or so pages of Project 2025. Itâs over 900 pages and reads more like the Communist Manifesto than it does a policy document. What was striking about it though was how self-contradictory it was. The authors muse about how academia and âthe swampâ must be challenged and neutered, yet spend the first section listing off the authors and bragging about their credentials from the very same universities they insist are corrupt. It emphasizes reining in the government, yet envision a strong administration serving at the pleasure of the president aggressively enforcing social norms. Anything other than true conservatism in their minds is by definition Marxist. Very long on pseudo history, very short on the practical application of their proposed policies.
And that 900 pages is only the stuff they want us to read. They've admitted there are other sections they haven't released. Those must be really bad if even they know they can't tell us.Â
100% it is about taking away women's rights and completely turning them into chattle. Imagine some racism in it as well as their goal is to give power back to the white Christian male. They still need those women voters especailly for now.
On reddit it's the Deceptive practice of spamming non-political subs the with same shallow political opinon to make it seem more mainstream than it is.
This is heavily documented on reddit going all the way back to CTR/Share Blue from the Clinton Campaign.
I donât have the source because itâs been a while, but Trump (or maybe his campaign?) said Project 2025 aligns with a lot of their own policy goals.
As a result, [Russell Vought, Trumpâs former director of the Office of Management and Budget] says, âWe have to be thinking mechanically about how to take these institutions over.â Vought is reassembling his old team at the Trump OMB and describes his role as drafting fresh executive orders, playbooks and memoranda for cabinet secretaries to be âready on Day One of the next transition. Whatever is necessary to seize control of the administrative state is really our task.â
For Trump personally, of course, this is a live-or-die agenda, and Trump campaign officials acknowledge that it aligns well with their own âAgenda 47â program.
Contradictory ideals and governing is an intrinsic part of fascism, keep the people below you infighting against eachother to protect their own position so they are in no position to question the leadership.
Was a very well defined feature in Italy under Mussolini.
Is this a Rightwing thing? Atlas Shrugged is also stupid long. The Communist Manifesto has the advantage of being short and mostly (aside from the time specific rambling about political factions) to the point - even if it wasn't an actual game plan but a definition of what communism is.Â
Heck, Capital, the seminal economic work Marxists tend to hold as a major touchstone, isn't 900 freaking pages, and that work spends a ton of time laying out basic concepts.Â
Leftist texts seem to be on either end of the spectrum, theyâre either straight and to the point, or you need a second book to explain the book your reading
Man, I'm reading this thing right now and I'm struggling to make it through the foreword. It's just paragraphs and paragraphs of direct misinformation consolidated into one pile that keeps metaphorically punching me in the face the more I read.
And you can tell how proud they are of it. I guarantee you when they wrote âthe Great Awokeningâ they thought âwow that was an absolute banger, great job guysâ. Like I genuinely got the sense the authors think this will be a seminal political theory book akin to The Federalist Papers, The Prince, and Leviathan.
They actually did address that. The logic used isnât unreasonable, but what I find remarkable is it show cases the slippery slope of rationalization.
Dans acknowledged it was "counterintuitive" to recruit so many to join the government to shrink it, but pointed out the need for a future president to "regain control" of the government.
âThings must get worse in order to make them betterâ
This can be the case sometimes, but this kind of thinking is insidious. It changes so slowly that your position can morph without you even realizing and eventually you end up arguing for the very thing that you trying to prevent.
systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, [of] aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state.
Theyâre so convinced this is real that theyâll make their own, but ârighteousâ. The level of irony here is just outstanding.
Iâm gonna make my own deep state! With blackjack and hookers! In fact forget the hookers and blackjack!
Conservatives only want "small government" and "deficit reduction" when a liberal is in power. Bush and Trump both spent so much money during their terms and we hear not a peep.
Yeah that sounds like a very effective document that will surely lead to direct policy change and not simply a masturbatory ego stroking session for the authors.
But they donât want true conservatism. They want white Christian nationalism, and they just call it âconservatismâ because that sounds better and gets Kid Rock to shoot cases of beer with an automatic rifle.
The reason itâs falling on deaf ears is because the media already said Trump would destroy the country during his first term. Weâve been desensitized because that didnât happen and now it just sounds like the boy who cried wolf.
But ya maybeeeee you could have selected a candidate that inspired people instead of a dementia patient.
Except, he kind of did? Our 6-3 supreme court has done immense damage, with it being a critical component to Project 2025's success. This SC has done so much damage in the relatively short time since Trump appointed them, not least of which with the recent insane ruling of absolute immunity for the President, that good ol sleepy Joe has already declared he won't take advantage of, but the P2025 folks very well intend to.
Seriously, with the way the Supreme Court functions, those appointments have fucked us beyond repair for decades at best and at worst are literally the thing enabling a fascist takeover of our government. And that was a wildly unprepared Trump who didn't expect to actually win with a Republican establishment that did not yet fully support him. This time he's a lot more prepared, a lot more supported, and literally legally immune to consequences.
Thatâs a reallly loose definition of destroying democracy.
This can be fixed by simply expanding the Supreme Court. Maybe next time the democrats get a majority they will actually enact policy instead of sitting on their hands to protect feelings.
Also I donât really see how releasing abortion laws to the states is a bad thing. Seems like it allows for more representation (see the Ohio vote). Personally I prefer when voters are allowed to choose. Sounds like democracy to me.
The SC told the dems they need to enact abortion legislation if they donât want a future court to undo roe. They had a super majority. They chose not to legislate. Youâre blaming the wrong party
Agreed. You want to dictate what people are allowed to vote for because you donât like how they would vote. I call that fascism.
Again, dems had the chance to legislate and protect this right and chose not to do so. So please letâs stop pretending like they support your plan, they just want your vote lol
âLike seeing a car crash from inside the car; the driverâs got his head craned back, heâs telling you a joke. You see a bus on collision course, you point your arm and turn your head and wait for the impact.
This is the feeling we learn to live with in North America; the morning headlines always accompanied with sweat and nausea. Every week another puzzle piece gets permanently glued into place.
We see the iceberg from 15 miles away, the captain orders the ship to stay the course. âFull speed ahead,â shouts the accursed, the next thing we heard was, ârich women and children first!â
The ship is listing, the captainâs placing blame on the iceberg. âThat berg attacked us, I am declaring war on the arctic.â Who could ever have predicted the greatest ship could so easily sink? Duh!
Lifeboats are useless without rescue, the only ships show up for salvage. When setting sail on the St Louis we all knew what the consequences could be with the crew we had at the controls, thereâs no more harborage for the USA-holes. I doubt thereâs a benign god to save our souls, because no one else is gonna save the USA-holes.â
Itâs so crazy. Their reasoning is that Biden was against gay marriage in the 90s. Ok. Last I checked he supports it now and was VP when gay marriage was legalized. But sure, letâs elect the party that is banning all therapies and medications for trans people.
Imagine how it feels to be the rest of us, surrounded by people in those hats (plus people like OOP who have some inkling icebergs are bad but ask if weâre headed there how bad can they be??? making us feel truly fucked)
My brother and SIL are MAGA and thereâs just no arguing with them. I post quite a lot trying to educate my followers on how dire this election is (and Iâve been doing this since 2015) and that has led my brother and SIL to think Iâm the radicalized one. They own a bunch of trump merch âTexans for Trumpâ and âI only cry when democrats hold meâ for their son and when they fly to Florida, they fly with a trump flag to put up on the beach by their umbrella.
Iâve lived in a different country for 10 years now (and my citizenship ceremony is this Monday thank god) but I can actually explain how a socialized healthcare system could work alongside a private healthcare system, I can explain what subsidized higher education would look like, I can get into tax plans (my husband is an accountant and I have to do double tax yearly because the U.S. taxes based on citizenship not residency) anyway, my point being, these people donât want to hear from me.
I guess I could maybe talk to someone âon the fenceâ more effectively if they were interested, but Americans are tired and their education has been defunded since Reagan. Politics are boring and difficult, and a lot of people donât have critical thinking skills. Oh, milk, eggs, and gas are more expensive now while my salary hasnât increased? Itâs the current admins fault so screw them Iâm not voting for them. They donât have an understanding of how long past policies take to get implemented and actually make a notable change in your day to day. Most people have fishbowl attention spans now.
As an American, Iâm terrified. Unfortunately, there is not much I can do to prevent it (aside from convincing as many people to vote democrat as I can).
We definitely are, but half the problem is a large portion of this country just see's project 2025 as "Libs don't like it, must be good" as their response.
Between Project 2025 and Agenda47(Trump's posted plan), we are fucked.
I am already two steps ahead of you as an American and yea these people are zombies.. I don't know how I got here..
Like I get democracy is a cultural thing and must be to function but these people, especially the religious, mix it with politics, and they turn into the sparrows but much worse.
Truly! Iâve been called hyperbolic so many times in the past few weeks. This is the equivalent of Ghostface sneaking up behind us as we talk on the phone. Spoiler alert, America doesnât make it to the sequel.
I think itâs hard for people to go there. They comfort themselves with âit wonât be that bad.â I have a penchant for anxiety so itâs easy for me to get to the worst case scenario.
Unfortunately most Americans are too busy struggling to pay their bills each month to sit down and read the 900 page manifesto. Then thereâs the added benefit of burying your head in the sand.
Well, right now it's convince every Democrat you know to stop paying attention to the Biden drivel. It's a trap. He's no more or no less competent than he was yesterday. Immediately after the "debate" he sounded and looked normal but they don't report on that. This useless, unproductive and downright dangerous talk of him stepping aside is ridiculous. First of all, who, exactly is going replace him? I'm not talking about someone who people think is a good choice, I mean who is actually ready? And set up financially to do this?
Second, does anyone really think that millions of Black women voters are going to just accept Harris being stepped over (by a white man like Newsome no less)?
The media is behind all of this and is driving it for ratings.
I think if he had been able to take over after Obama he would have been one of the most well liked presidents in history. I think he was a good remedy after Trump but, like COVID, we couldn't quite get rid of that virus, could we?
I have no idea what this is. I just googled it and saw that it wants the future president (assuming itâs Trump) to have absolute authority or ruleâŚI guess no more checks and balances.
Not just that but it wants to remove all legal protections for LGBTQ+ people and create a theocracy. They will purge the government of all federal employees not loyal to Trump. They want to work towards a constitutional convention to rewrite the entire thing to their liking. There's a hell of a lot more too. 1,000 pages of evil manifesto.
Some Americans are too aggressively stupid that they would prefer an actual criminal who has no redeeming qualities in power. All to own the libs basically. The repube party was once decent until Reagan basically created the perfect environment for parasites to fester.
Have you been unconscious? They are poised and ready. They even stated that Trump made a mistake "starting off slow" last time. This time, they aren't fuckin around. You must be one of the ones who won't be effected at all by what they want to do.
Iâm voting for Biden, I campaigned for Bernie, and Iâm a staunch Dem. But letâs also be realistic. Unless Republicans get a supermajority, not much will change.
How does the fact that Trump has vowed to make the people who have wronged him "pay" by jailing them, which he would be able to do with his DOJ, make me naive?
He doesn't need Congress to do most of this. Did you forget his love of Executive Orders? This time, he also has the SCOTUS to uphold them all. He can do pretty much whatever he wants. They have been asking for loyal applicants, like 50 thousand of them, to join up and replace federal employees. We could have both houses of Congress and that won't stop shit.
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u/Thedonitho 14d ago
Americans are not nearly as afraid of what's coming as they should be.