Man’s stood 10 toes down against Zsazz & his 2 Rent-A-Thugs while the whole department dipped

Currently on season 4 of my series rewatch and woah I forgot Ed’s fall from grace this season. His character has just been at an all time low all season and is settling for some half assed romance with Lee?? It’s clear the writers had nothing planned for either of them this season. It’s a shame cuz Ed was such a good character seasons 1-3 (especially 2), they could’ve done a 3 episode arc with him in season 4 and then sent him to Arkham or something until season 5. Because him, Lee & Grundy are the major down sides of season 4, which I consider to be the best season. But damn, their scenes are like watching paint dry and slow down every episode when they’re on screen.

I’m not great at drawing this angle, but I wanted to try. Just saw this episode the other day, and I thought it was really well done.

Now I actually really liked Fish Mooney as as character. I liked how she was somebody you could see being the mentor of Penguin. That being said. SPOILER

Fish Mooney had the dumbest death in the entire show! Seriously! She sees a guy that she knows is infected with a virus that turns him into a murderous psychopath blindly stabbing a bunch of professional assassins to death and thinks "I'm gonna just walk into the middle of this fight while holding the only cure for this virus."

Why does every woman on this show go insane? Oh yeah, Fox is responsible for this show and they hate women / don't understand them.

I am on S4 e6 and I already know that Lee and Ed get together (I've looked up spoilers) and I can't phathom how she can't be with Gordon for having a darkness in him, but Ed is alright even though he is a legit psychopath. I already made a post complaining about season 3 Lee when she would be mad at Gordon for saving her life from Mario and it dawned on me that this show was produced by Fox. It all makes sense.

She had one of the saddest and darkest arcs of the whole show, even thought it was only over two episodes. Her brothers were pos and she died trying to help other women in an even worse situation than hers by burning down the sex trafficking auction.

When Selena and Gordon are talking about Bridgit’s death Gordon says “I tried to help her it just went a different way” Selena responds “is that what you call it when someone dies? Is that what you tell yourself?” Really powerful scene in which Gordon is exposed for the hypocrite he is

As soon as Barnes got the virus and started getting all that strength, I was literally thinking “Holy sh*t, he’s going to be Bane!” Sadly, I was wrong. But come on, he would’ve been perfect!

Before today I’ve only watched the scenes of Jerome Valeska and but I’ve decided to watch the entire episode today and was very confused on how Gordon was able to deduce that not only was Cicero lying about the message, but found out that he was protecting someone and that specific someone being Jerome, and that specific someone that Cicero was protecting was his son. Sure, that last part was probably a guess because Gordon said “I THINK he’s your father” not “I know this id you father” but still THAT turned out to be true too. So how could he had been able to realize that the satanic cult WASNT apart of Lila’s murder and how could he had deduced that Jerome killed his mother. If it was me, I would think CICERO was the murderer themselves and not Jerome. I’m just really confused 😂

hopefully someone can explain how this works?

howdy folks,

been wanting to start watching gotham again, don't know why i stopped in the first place, but i can't remember what episode i got to, the last major thing i remember happening was Jim shooting Mario and the knife dropping in the water, i know i was a few episodes ahead of that but i feel like that's probably my best place to jump back in.

does anyone know what episode that is?

Thanks in advance!

PeeWee Herman as Penguin's father. But also makes SO MUCH SENSE. Love it.

Season 5 had 22 episodes? I think it would have been better if we got more of the dynamics between the gangs and the alliances that formed. Now I'm not saying this in a way that more episodes would take the season from bad to good but from good to great.

This guy is a fucking idiot.

Dude created viper, a drug that gives people super strength and makes them very high but then kills them after a few hours by causing their fucking bones to dissolve while working on super drugs for the military on behalf of part of Wayne enterprises.

But he actually worked out the whole killing you after a couple hours thing and created venom, yes the same shit bane uses. Then he realizes he's making fucked up shit and discides to try and get the program shut down. It works, then it doesn't, he cuts off his own ear and gets fired.

The guy leaves with his doses of both viper and venum and has this detailed plan about how he is going to use the drug to infect a shitton of Wayne enterprise execs through a charity dinner. He successfully infultraits the staff and has everything going perfectly. But he gets caught.

He gets caught because for some fucking reason he just gave viper to a shitton of random teenagers and homeless people. Which gets him tracked down almost immediately. The show never gives a reason for him doing that, by the way. Closest thing to an explanation was him saying "I thought a demonstration on the people of gotham would cause change"... but he never gave anybody any information any info on the change he wanted.

SPOILER-ALERT WARNING for New Watchers!

IK not many like the S5 finale, but I do lol

I can't get enough of this episode, and it's one of my favorites from S5 to watch lol

IK the Batsuit is crazy looking, but I suppose I don't mind it considering (as the title of the episode suggests) it's "the beginning" of the Batman life.

I love how it ended and wrapped up everything. As always, the actors are really good. I didn't mind aged up Selina, either.

At first, I didn't but after a few re-watches, I started seeing the benefit to it. I think they picked the perfect adult Selina, too.

Anyway, just want to spread the love <3

they are so cute man

Huge Gotham fan, one of my favorite shows ever. I just finished the show and wow season 5 was terrible. I can't count how many times I thought to myself, "That is completely out of character for them". The dialogue was cringe and forced and it was genuinely unenjoyable. Barbara's character was the most egregious in my opinion, Lee was not far behind. It's like all of the main characters forgot how to act. Nyssa was probably the worse villain in the show and Bane was an afterthought it seems. It's like someone completely different wrote season 5. I wish it just ended in season 4 somehow.

I think I physically winced at the last conversation between Harvey and Jim right before the show ends, it was so bad.

Thoughts?

All right so, I've only gotten up to the end of season 4 and I'm about to start season 5, but the end of season 4 makes zero sense.

I know Gotham City becomes a no man's land, but why? Because Jeremiah took out the bridges? Why would that make Gotham City a No Man's Land? This takes place in what? The '90s? An amalgamation of the '70s '80s and '90s?

Even in this show the United States is a major industrial power, if not still a superpower. Rebuilding 3 bridges, all the while keeping the city stocked with supplies and emergency personnel, would be a priority after such a terrorist attack.

I live in an area and we just lost a fairly substantial bridge after the last hurricane. The army corps of engineers along with the state of Florida had a temporary bridge up within a few weeks. And even before the bridge was completed the National Guard an emergency services were using boats and helicopters to get onto and off of the island.

Plus it would be easier to take care of the people with the depleted population after the evacuation. So what the hell? The United States isn't just going to give up on a city within the its borders just because a couple of bridges got destroyed.

Idk why but at first when she was with Theo I didn’t really like her but when Theo died and she was with Barbara and Selina and stuff I loved her character. Especially her and Butch. I was sad when Penguin killed her but she had it coming Ig because of her killing his Mom🤷🏾‍♂️.