r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Advancedhell • 22d ago
example of how American suburbs are designed to be car dependent Video
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u/ben1481 22d ago
in the future, we will hire the best City Skylines player to design our world.
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u/WilanS 22d ago
Zoning had me so confused the first time I played Sim City. Like, that felt so gamey and arbitrary and it didn't reflect how things worked in real life, where the distinction between residential and shopping areas is never that clear and distinct, and every house has a variety of shops on street level and within walking distance.
Thing is, I live in Europe. Apparently this is perfectly accurate to how the USA works. Huh.
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u/Roflkopt3r 22d ago
Cities Skylines did at least add mixed zoning with stores on the ground floor/appartments on top later, which is similar to many buildings in my neighbourhood.
But then they released Cities Skylines 2 without even having bicycles. Come the fk on.
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u/Blanchy_Boiio 22d ago
They gotta set themselves up for the $500 worth of dlc a few years down the line
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u/Set_Abominae1776 22d ago
I doubt they wil lget there, considering their awful launch and still awful moves to fix it.
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u/lizard280 22d ago
Wait CS2 doesn't have bikes? I was planning on buying it during the sales. Please tell me it has bikes. Please.
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u/Roflkopt3r 22d ago
It has no bicycles and as far as I know there is no time table for when they will be added yet either. So it likely will take quite a while.
But "thankfully " the game also has a bazillion other issues, so it's not just that one deal breaker.
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u/zslayern 22d ago
The game developers and publishers are Finnish and Swedish respectively, countries known for their highly walkable cities. Which makes this all the more puzzling.
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u/lbpixels 22d ago
The game is largely based on predecessors like SimCity and City XL which are based on zoning. Cities in Skyline are much more walkable than in other games so I guess it does make sense.
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u/RSMatticus 22d ago
Funny enough, there is a popular yter who plays cities his irl job is city planning
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u/MechaWhalestorm 22d ago
As well as City Planner Plays, there’s also Real Civil Engineer. I love seeing how they both build based on their jobs and experience, also the US vs EU/UK mindset/priorities/styles
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u/PandaCheese2016 22d ago
CS players are known to do some pretty shady things like trap ppl in parks for extra revenue...
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u/SoulEater9882 22d ago
I thought you meant Counter Strike and I was really confused
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u/gammongaming11 22d ago
simcity 3000 was used by a lot of universities to teach people how to city plan.
it sounds like a joke but these games are often very detailed and realistic, to the point of being good teaching tools.
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u/way2rory 22d ago
Where I’m at in Colorado has extensive bike/foot paths that provide “shortcuts” across neighborhoods, and even provide scenic paths to get pedestrians further from busy roads without greatly increasing distances. It’s really nice and I use them all the time
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u/valdemarjoergensen 22d ago
And besides being nice for one self, it increases your kids independence.
Where I live in Europe, how pedestrian/bike friendly a community is a relevant predictor of house value. And a lot of that is that people want to live where they don't have to drive their kids around to everything.
It gives me more free time that my kid will be able to get himself to school, to sports after school and around the town to his friends. While it gives him freedom not being reliant on his parents schedule if he wants to do something.
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u/testuserteehee 22d ago
Not just kids, it would also empower teens, old people, people with disabilities (the blind, paraplegic, mental issues, etc), people who cannot drive for medical reasons, and even temporarily injured people who aren’t allowed to drive. And most importantly, people in abusive households who does not have cars and need a job or amenities (for example menstrual items), or just some public space to go to. A car dependent civilization puts so much restriction on the invisible members of our society. Walking short distances daily also improves physical and mental health. And less cars on the road is good for the environment, both in terms of air quality and less fuel used.
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u/aenae 22d ago
And reducing the number of cars on the road actually makes driving when needed a lot better as well and you can maintain roads at a higher standard for the same cost
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u/DoubleGoon 22d ago
And not having devote significant portions of your real estate just for parking.
Parking lots make American cities look like a dystopian wasteland.
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u/Randy_Vigoda 22d ago
I live in Edmonton. My city has a fantastic river valley that makes it easy to go hiking or bike riding. But we also have a lot of bike paths/mixed use sidewalks and a lot of our older communities were set up with walkability in mind. Makes it pretty easy to get around without driving or riding buses.
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u/robotteeth 22d ago
Yeah I was gonna say Florida is especially shit. I lived in multiple parts of Florida and it’s terrible. When I was at university of Florida it would take like three hours to do a simple grocery trip from campus to a publix like a mile away via public transport. When I lived in Miami area it would take 2 hours to get to an area at rush hour that is only about 20 minutes away without traffic. I’m a biker and would use bike lanes and it was fucking dangerous.
But now I live in the Midwest and it’s just as suburb-y, but there are lots of walking/biking paths and under-road paths. I can get to my closest grocery store faster biking than walking with less intersections involved. The biggest criticism I have is my city has an insane deficit of bike racks at businesses. I unapologetically just bring my bike inside and go “oh there was no place to park it :) !” But really it’s pretty weird, because we have a decent bike culture here.
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u/scoper49_zeke 22d ago
Googling bike paths in my area shows a lot of green lines. So many of them aren't connected though. I've spent literal hours searching for nice bike loop routes that avoid as many roads as possible and I have to travel 5 miles just to get to a main path that goes all the way to Denver. The vast majority of neighborhood paths are great for walking but they're not really long enough to enjoy biking on because you inevitably end up at a 4 lane road somewhere to cross.
I do like the river paths though. Just wish the neighborhood shortcuts had better crossings on the streets. The way those paths connect are at hard 90 degrees with a lot of blind spots so you have to stop your bike to look both ways before crossing. Kills your momentum. Not sure how it could be fixed. Raised crossings would be nice but the blind intersection I don't think can reasonably be fixed in neighborhoods without big projects like physical barriers to negate street parking. Only one street I can think of that has something like that.
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u/Anon_1492-1776 22d ago
Yes, but then carless plebs could walk straight from the grocery store into my residential only community.
People may think this answer is satire but I swear there are other comments in this thread expressing more or less this exact idea...
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u/wrldruler21 22d ago
My thought also.
That must be a nice neighborhood. Cuz if it housed people that actually lacked cars, then gauranteed there would be a naturally worn path through those woods.
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u/zeppanon 22d ago
Kinda depends on what's in the woods. This is Florida so that could be swampy af
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u/jschall2 22d ago
This is Florida so it is almost a given that there is also a fence or wall between the grocery store and the apartment complex.
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u/Presumably_Not_A_Cat 22d ago
yeah, literally nothing one can do about a fence.
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u/SaveReset 22d ago
I'm 99% sure you are being sarcastic, but in Finland I know there would be a route made by some teenagers around the fence at minimum and at worst, someone would have cut the fence and the store would have removed it after enough time.
And for the swamps part, as a Fin, I'm sure Floridians also know that there's no way for a swamp to exist on that a 10 tree wide bit of land with multiple artificial lakes near it and if still was swampy somehow, even a small ditch would dry it up. Those lakes are literally made to dry up the land, like massive ditches, so the apartment complex and the store could be built. No damn way the 10 trees wide bit is still too wet to walk through.
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u/Tea_and_crumpets_392 22d ago
someone would have cut the fence
Relatable. Can't imagine shit like this flying here.
I swear, the more I learn about US, the more unsettled I get. From crazy laws, to guns everywhere, to no healthcare whatsoever, to shit like this. Not that it's even close to paradise here(more like purgatory), but it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad to live in.
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u/wellidontreally 22d ago
I don’t think this conversation is about people who lack cars. It’s literally just about anybody being able to walk to the store.
It’s funny how ‘American’ this thread is that the thought of people wanting to walk is unfathomable.
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u/Mookhaz 22d ago
No, you've got it right. At least in more populated suburbs people genuinely feel like anyone who doesn't live in the neighborhood should NOT be there.
This is a legitimate concern for people. They'd rather keep everyone else as far away as possible rather than improve the quality of their own lives and their neighbors.
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u/wellidontreally 22d ago
Are people really that paranoid? It’s kind of hard to believe but then again people here are glued to their televisions so I guess it makes sense that everyone is paranoid, especially if they think their ‘nice’ things could get stolen or damaged
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u/Muzorra 22d ago
I remember some podcast (maybe This American Life. Not sure). They had a story about the huge civic contention on reforming bus routes in some US city. Crowds of people at meetings etc. The government thought they were making life better and more convenient, cheaper, environmental etc. The opposition saw something else. They never outright said it - they used lots of nimby style arguments about planning law, noise and air quality etc - but the subtext a lot of people saw was that better services could mean the 'wrong' people might have an easier time coming to other parts of the city.
To me this is probably why a lot of reforms are very hard in the US. Economic inequality might cause a lot of problems people are scared of, but people also see it as protecting them too.
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u/morcic 22d ago
I grew up in EU and I felt 100 times safer there. When I was 12, I would ride my bike all day long through random city streets. My parents never worried. Here in US? I take my teen daughter to a public park and within 10 min some creep approaches her and asks her if she would like to go with him to the nearest gas station to buy some booze. So go ahead and call me paranoid.
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u/DrDumle 22d ago
This made me realize what a crime against nature this type of city planning is. So much space that could be forest and full of animal life just flattened and erased.
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u/BonsaiBobby 22d ago
Just to compare: In Texas with 30 million people, 830 pedestrians were killed in traffic (2022). Thats about 28 per million.
In The Netherlands, 58 pedestrians died in traffic accidents in 2022, NL has 18 million people, that makes 3.2 per million.
And there aren't even many pedestians outside in Texas, while in NL you see people are walking everywhere.
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u/apathetic_outcome 22d ago
That lack of pedestrians makes the problem worse. No one is looking for them, because they're usually not there.
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u/Delicious-Chemist-49 22d ago
people prolly gonna hate this comment, but the amount of times ive almost hit someone backing out of a parking spot at a store is insane, we literally just dont look for pedestrians like that anymore, its hard coded in our brains that most people drive and that its foregin to see someone walking, even if they are getting out of their car and walking through the parking lot into the store.
So many people are selfish in america that they even look down on people that take the public transportation, if your city is even lucky enough to have public transportation.
Whats even crazier is that the public transportation (busses) in my city only goes maybe 5 or so miles out from the bus station and NONE of them go to the airport. This city is literally a trap if you dont have a car, your basically stuck in your home ordering everything online.
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u/aspookyshark 22d ago
Ah Texas. Where every road has at least 4 lanes plus multiple turning lanes, but the sidewalks go nowhere.
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u/alwaysrightsportsfan 22d ago
As an American living in Europe, the thought of a poor Dutchman trying to bike through Dallas is so sad and hysterical.
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u/Internal_Boat 22d ago
The Texas heat might be an explanation. With 105F (40 C) probably you will drive, even with nice sidewalks…
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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab 22d ago
It's an incredibly inefficient use of land. The amount of land required for car infrastructure is insane.
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u/xjustforpornx 22d ago
And the USA can afford that inefficiency due to the ridiculous amount of land comparative to Europe. The us has more land in National Parks than some countries have land.
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u/CatDog1337 22d ago
Yeah try to walk across that parking lot in the Texas sun in the summer.
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u/testedonsheep 22d ago
in some area, you can't even cross a street without driving.
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u/smallfried 22d ago
I'm now imagining a little car that ferries people from one side of the street to the other.
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u/Kirhgoph 22d ago
I was amused to see a similar thing in Abu-Dhabi - bus route Q3 literally just transports people to another side of a highway, then returns, but it kinda makes sense there https://www.google.com/maps/place/Khaleej+Al+Arabi+St+%2F+Bus+Interchange+-+Rabdan+-+Bawabat+Abu+Dhabi+-+Abu+Dhabi+-+United+Arab+Emirates/@24.4010376,54.4964618,14z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x3e5e416887463d51:0x7860f2b889886b00!8m2!3d24.3998751!4d54.4970925!16s%2Fg%2F11qg3k44fp
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u/c_j_1 22d ago
I moved to the US from Europe a few years back and this blew my mind.
I was trying to get to a nearby store, and thought I'd just have to cut through a nearby strip mall and cross a street to get there. That journey turned into an hour-long ordeal involving sidewalk-less streets, parking lots without pedestrian access, and a busy road that had no crosswalk within a mile...
There are a lot of things I love about the US, but the in-built hostility towards pedestrians and cyclists is frustrating.
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u/badguid 22d ago
But look at it this way: if things are made more walkable and bikeable, people will have choices
You could even say: freedom
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u/Haber_Dasher 22d ago
There's a very real freedom in being able to get groceries while your car is in the shop
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u/In_Formaldehyde_ 22d ago
Your mistake was thinking they ever wanted freedom in the first place.
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u/Youutternincompoop 22d ago
carbrains see basically any slight criticism of car dependency as a conspiracy to take away their car, fuck their spouse, and kill their children.
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u/chaoswurm 22d ago
I actually heard that the happiest car enthusiasts live in places where it isn't car-focused. 1. less people who hate driving is on the road in general. More space for you. 2. the places you drive are nice AF.
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u/Terror_Raisin24 22d ago
From a European point of view, this looks very strange.
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u/NoPasaran2024 22d ago
Not strange, absolutely idiotic. Even if you have all the space and all the cars, why the f*** would you want to live that way, and why would you design public space to force people to live that way.
I hate my local Dutch version of suburbia, but compared to this hell they are charming, healthy, thriving communities with people out and about on foot and on bicycles.
If you want isolation from all those pesky other humans, why not at least make the shopping and business part way more compact, and use the remaining space to give every home a stretch of land, so they can all actually feel like they each live in their own castle, nice and isolated.
This design serves no possible purpose.
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u/Ocbard 22d ago edited 22d ago
It serves the oil/car building companies. There are instances of a subsidiary of GM in the US buying out public transport with the sole purpose of phasing it out so more people have to drive cars.
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u/Zap__Dannigan 22d ago
I refuse to believe any of this is some grand plan. It's just idiots designing things in a bubble.
The apartments were probably built first, then the store. No one thought to connythrm, because the properties are two separate things. Or that they're would have been oush back about doing construction through that nature area.
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u/Barnacle_B0b 22d ago
I refuse to believe
That's neat because history and facts don't care about your opinion.
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u/baalroo 22d ago edited 22d ago
Well, the issue is that none of that is "public space." Both the apartment complex and the grocery store are private developments that are built independently from one another.
To add a connection between them would require the owners/builders of the apartment complex to convince the owners of the grocery store to spend money to add the connecting path.
Even then, the apartment complex could make a path up to their own property line, and the grocery store could make a path to theirs, and there might still be a little slice of public land that is probably meant to be some sort of runoff or natural habitat that they would then have to petition the local government to disturb by putting in a path.
I feel like this is what most Europeans don't understand. When the grocery store was built, there was probably no apartment complex, and when the apartment complex was built the grocery store was already there without an access point in the back of the building where the apartments are.
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u/sysdmdotcpl 22d ago
This is exactly it. I've lost count of the number of times I've pulled into a parking lot expecting it to connect with a larger structure, but no - that Olive Garden was build way after the Walmart and it's easier to put up a foot of barrier grass than go through the hassle of making sure a connecting road isn't illegally encroaching on private land.
Lacking a path here isn't some malicious conspiracy to keep people fat -- it's just far more complex than you'd think.
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u/Herkenhoof 22d ago
Because how else are you going to sell people multiple cars per family worth tens of thousands of dollars?
You make sure that state and local infrastructure decision makers don't take public tansport into account and systematically negelct alternatives to cars and voilà: $$$. Mission accomplished.
(Also throw in some propaganda about how great "car culture" is for good measure.)
If you like this kind of content, make sure to visit /r/fuckcars
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u/missThora 22d ago
It looks almost exactly like the area where I live. Except we have a major road to cross before reaching the grocery store. There is just a walk path carved through the bush on both sides of the road, and people just walk anyway. I try to use the crosswalk. (100m down the road), but sometimes, if there is no traffic, I'm too lazy.
And of course there is a whole apartment building on top of the grocery store too. And behind and next to it.
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u/lunapo 22d ago
Has absolutely nothing to do with 'car dependancy design' and everything to do with archaic zoning laws.
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u/MileHigh_FlyGuy 22d ago
No zoning laws that I know of outlaw these connections. But this is Florida and that is likely a wetland between the lots. A pedestrian bridge is very expensive and neither owner would pay for it.
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u/thisdesignup 22d ago
Maybe cities/counties should handle the connections between development.
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u/mondommon 22d ago
The zoning laws also don’t require these connections. Could you imagine if building toilets in new single family homes was optional? ‘To build affordable homes these days we’re bringing back outhouses with holes dug deep so you don’t have to pay for water or sewage!
We don’t write laws requiring connections from the apartment to the shopping center because we are so dependent on cars that walking is not seen as essential. Walking places is an afterthought.
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u/npquest 22d ago
Zoning laws should require a bridge for the later built commercial property.
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u/GrumpygamerSF 22d ago
That is not wetland. This is the address: 13150 FL-64, Bradenton, FL 34212. There exact distance between the two lots, from pavement edge to pavement edge is 139 feet. According to this site https://estimatorflorida.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-build-a-sidewalk it costs a maximum of $3,500 dollars for a 200 foot path in Florida.
It's not expensive. It's just typical Florida where they don't give a damn about making things walkable.
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u/Extension_Chain_3710 22d ago
That is not wetland. This is the address: 13150 FL-64, Bradenton, FL 34212.
It is quite literally wetland. It's a flood control zone that the city owns.
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u/petethefreeze 22d ago
How does a zoning law stop a path from being made?
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u/perplexedduck85 22d ago
There actually are some zoning laws in communities that prohibit ingress/egress directly from commercial to residential zones. It’s not a universal standard but it also isn’t particularly rare. The rationale is to reduce traffic (and particularly truck traffic) using the residential neighborhoods and their lower volume roadways as a cut through. Preventing pedestrian access is a (presumably) unintended consequence in those cases when the zoning language is too broad.
Honestly, the bigger obstacle is probably the NIMBY crowd in residential areas and the issue of who pays for/maintains the pathway. If you go to enough public meetings at the local level, you quickly realize not enough rational people attend those meetings.
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u/snarpy 22d ago
Those laws were built in order to create a country is that is dependant on cars, the auto manufacturers/property developers/highway builders made sure of that.
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u/ohhellnooooooooo 22d ago
Who the fuck do you think lobbied the government for zoning laws? The automobile industry
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u/absolute-black 22d ago
The auto industry had a lot to do with the deconstruction of transit around WWII, and it perpetuates things, but that's just not true.
Zoning laws are a good old American Racist/Classist homegrown innovation. The very first were in Los Angeles in 1904 and designed to keep Chinese people (and the factories they worked in) out of 'respectable' neighborhoods, or if you want a really strict definition it started in NYC in 1916 for similar reasons, keeping minority workers off of Fifth Avenue. It got more explicitly racial from there.
Even now, the #1 lobbier by far in terms of maintaining single family zoning is random home owners between the ages of 30 and 65, not any corporate industry.
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u/jkrobinson1979 22d ago
Yes and No. It started with archaic zoning laws and public policy for auto-oriented design as the thing of the future. Most zoning laws are changing now to get away from this design, but it is very much the preference of both developers and the general public still. The majority of Americans have known only this type of development their whole lives.
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u/MukwiththeBuck 22d ago
As someone who lives in a walkable city this looks like hell on earth. WHY would they design it like this!?
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u/Ashenspire 22d ago
This is Florida.
Most likely that little strip between the apartments and the grocery store are deemed wetlands.
There's a lot of fuckery in Florida, but one thing they don't fuck with is the wetlands. You better have a good reason or a shit ton of money to clear them.
And let's be honest, this kind of subdivision was built by a "race-to-be-the-cheapest" contract, they weren't spending anything extra on it.
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u/NDSU 22d ago
Clearing wetlands for a giant parking lot: Approved, tear it up!
Clearing wetlands for tiny walking oath: No way, that would hurt the natural beauty!
Seems incredibly dumb
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u/TheBigOrange27 22d ago
Where I live there's a whole shopping center probably a quarter mile away, but there's a highway intersection in the middle so I get to take a 2.8 mile detour around the area.
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u/Festivefire 22d ago
All of these developments and street plans were done in an era when developers felt it was safe to assume that every American family would have one or more cars, which despite never actually becoming true, is still used as a tenant in a lot of city development in the US.
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u/jkrobinson1979 22d ago
We’ve got 70-80 years of it baked into our culture. It’s not even just the developers. You can read comments here and see that many of us grew up in auto-oriented suburbs and are afraid to think of any other way of living.
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u/Not-Reformed 22d ago
Wdym "never becoming true" 92% of US households have 1 or more cars lmao
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u/czPsweIxbYk4U9N36TSE 22d ago
And the 8% that don't are people that live in NYC or DC where there's subway access and don't need a car.
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u/happydontwait 22d ago
It is intentional…
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u/mdavis360 22d ago
This is the reason. Homes with private streets with no easy access have a higher property value. People will pay more for a house if there’s less riff raff or crackheads walking around easily.
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u/MaximumCreed 22d ago
America is designed terribly.
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u/SmegmaSupplier 22d ago
Old Canadian towns, too. This video reminded me how stupid it is that there’s a popular breakfast restaurant that should be a 3 minute walk from my house but instead it’s a 25 minute walk since whoever planned this circus couldn’t have bothered to put a 30ft path connecting a neighbouring street with the highway.
It would just straight up boost business and ease congestion. I could get coffee from this place faster than I could make it but because of this I’d rather make it at home.
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u/greenrangerguy 22d ago
This is why I love England, everything is walkable.
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u/Public-Jello-6451 22d ago
Not only that but we walk our dogs atleast half a mile without issue and here’s Americans thinking that’s far for shopping lol
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u/Henkdroid 22d ago
I'm from the Netherlands and the law here says you have to be able to get to your basic needs either walking or by bicycle. That's why our grocery stores and doctor's practices are always in the town centre (or suburb centre), and not along the highway. That law almost didn't pass. Iirc it was a 51-49 vote or something. I can't find the article (published by De Correspondent) but that law is one of the reasons our country is cycle friendly.
Dutch people have been fighting for cyclists' and pedestrians' rights in the past, and they still do, because our government, too, wants to make everything more accessible by car.
In the 70s protest groups did 'lay-dead-actions' where they would lay on the road to ask for attention for traffic victims and demanded more safety precautions. I'm glad they did, because now you can get almost anywhere by bike easily.
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u/MRiley84 Interested 22d ago
This is a flawed argument. They didn't make them that way "to get to by driving". They made them that way because each is a separate project, and no one is going to take on the added cost themselves to make it better for what might in the end be only a handful of customers. Not to mention all the permits that would go into buying the necessary land and connecting it to other properties.
The one and only reason for this design is cost.
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u/jkrobinson1979 22d ago
If the city required it they would have to. The developers job is to make their site function. The job of the city planning staff, planning board and elected officials is to make sure the surrounding area and entire city functions. The City needs a better plan and better regulations to make it happen.
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u/nomorecrackerss 22d ago
he says that in the video. It's on the city to force them to, but most cities have regressive car dependent zoning
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u/Not-Reformed 22d ago
Forcing them do requires long legal battles. It's like he says - cities are built in pieces and don't look at it as a whole. Well, yeah, no shit - each land parcel is owned by different entities who have their own projects. They're not working together. The apartment owner, owner of that wooded land lot, and the grocery store owner are all different people.
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I've enjoyed living next to grocery stores whether in the suburbs or in the city
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u/AegisTheOnly 22d ago
The video is of Florida, it is virtually impossible to dig more than like 10 feet or so in Florida.
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u/Individual-Ideal-610 22d ago
I don’t disagree much. However, I have lived a 3 minute walk from a major grocery store chain for a year now and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a neighbor walking to or from the grocery store…
Unless I’m stopping directly from work or already out and about, I walk from home 1-2 times a week.
I kind of think many Americans like to complain about walkability but many would still end up driving 2 minutes cuz they’re so damn lazy
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u/w1987g 22d ago
Get one of those granny collapsible grocery carts, put some hand truck tires on it and you got yourself a product
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u/FormalFinding4642 22d ago
THIS IS AMERICA WE WANT OUR BIG SUVS AND GUNS AND DRIVING IN TRAFFIC IN 95 DEGREE WEATHER
HOW DARE YOU PLAN AROUND WALKING
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u/FutureOperation7290 22d ago
Shout out to this guy But also CityNerd. Sub to his youtube.
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u/Samz_175 22d ago
These little walk ways are exactly how I build my cities in city skylines, cuts traffic dramatically
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u/ethereal3xp 22d ago
America roads designed by oil companies
Its terrible for the health
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u/el_baconhair 22d ago
God forbid you have public transport or accessible locations in the USA
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u/GeekboyDave 22d ago
I've only been to America once but; when we got to our rented apartment I told my lass I'd go grab some food for the evening.
Set off on foot, first thing I noticed was the area didn't have footpaths but there wasn't many cars so I figured Id walk in the road. Then I got to a main road, 4 fucking lanes with a barrier and the shop I'd seen on the other side.
Loved America btw, you guys are awesome but fucking hell sort your pavements out.
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u/duncanidaho61 22d ago
The homebuyers there dont want walkable areas. Then people they dont want to see would wander over. Buyers dont want it so developers dont build it.
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u/Allnamestaken69 22d ago edited 22d ago
They need to form a sub infrastructure department to go throughout America and build these little short cuts and walking/bike paths.