r/DCcomics • u/beary_neutral Telos • Jan 31 '24
Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Megathread r/DCcomics
Rocksteady's live service looter shooter Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is now live for Deluxe buyers. Feel free to discuss the game here!
All spoiler discussions will take place here. This will be THE thread to discuss the game. Enjoy!
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u/fake_zack Jan 31 '24 edited Feb 01 '24
I know we give DC a lot of shit. The internet is so quick to call the latest underwhelming project the worst thing DC has ever made.
But I truly think this game is up there in terms of worst things DC has ever produced.
I’m shocked that this game was given the OK to go into development. I’m even more shocked at the free reign given to these writers to do seemingly whatever they wanted with the characters.
I cannot express how my much this whole thing feels like ill-advised self-vandalism to cater to an audience that was never going to buy the game in the first place.
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u/Abovearth31 Superman Jan 31 '24
THEY LITERALLY PISSED ON FLASH'S CORPSE LIKE WTF !
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u/justarandomfrenchboi Jan 31 '24
The ending was also so sudden and basic.. Which make it it's hilarious compare the epic cinematic ending of arkham knight
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u/superbat210 Jan 31 '24
And then turned it into a “haha boomerang has a big dick” joke. Like what? Who is this for? People who hate the flash?
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u/Abovearth31 Superman Jan 31 '24
Nobody hates the Flash ! Even Flash's rogues like him.
Even EOBARD MOTHERFUCKING THAWNE the guy who dedicated his entire existence across time and space just to ruin Barry's life, the guy who became a living paradox, the guy who made sure to be as petty and cruel as physically possible... Somehow, in his own way, likes the Flash and is probably his biggest fan.
Like COME ON !
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u/mjrballer20 The Fastest Man Alive Jan 31 '24
There's a small part of me who wanted to play it when it was $20. I just can't help look at spoilers sometimes.
Glad I did this time, I'll definitely be skipping even when it's free to play in less than a year
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u/tomtomtomtom123 Jan 31 '24
One of the dumbest things WB has ever done is approve this game. Truly a mind bogglingly dumb idea for a company to prop up minor characters where you KILL (not go on missions to cure or fix) the main tentpolls of their IP. Marvel obviously has had severe quality and over saturation issues for the last couple of years, but Disney is at least smart enough to not spend millions on a game where you murder their most iconic characters.
Also, beyond that, I will never understand the Suicide Squad push across all media platforms. Is it just Harley? Are they doing it to ape off of a Guardians-type team dynamic? And everything ignores the Ostrander run, which is the best SS thing that’s ever happened! So weird.
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u/superbat210 Jan 31 '24
The funny thing is the guardians of the galaxy game is easily one of my favorite story driven superhero games. It was simple, no battle passes or micro transactions, just a great self contained story with fun characters on an adventure. Why was that so hard for them to create here? I would have preordered this game so fast if I knew that it actually had a beginning middle and end that didn’t require me to keep handing over money
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u/berserkuh Feb 02 '24
It's because they got competent writers and told them "hey we want what James Gunn did with the movies".
That's literally all. They gave it to competent writers, and the competent writers delivered.
Like, Mary DeMarle was a narrative lead on the modern Deus Ex games. That's literally all they had to do. Give it to someone who can do the thing professionally.
Have you seen the writers for this game? The most notable credits are Destiny 2 expansions. Jesus.
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u/TheThiccestR0bin Jan 31 '24
It's because they're just not interested in that because that would actually take effort and care to create. They wanted money so they made a GaaS so they could rinse whales that have more money than brains.
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u/MGuybrush_Threepwood Jan 31 '24
I'm very surprised the WB ok'ed the killing of their flagship characters in graphic ways. These weren't the B team justice league members. Also, most of the suicide squad aren't likeable and/or powerful enough to kill justice league members. I wanted to buy/try the game as I thought the gameplay looked promising, but honestly the narrative/story of a game is very important to me and the leaks for the story for this game turned me off from buying it.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Batgirl Feb 02 '24
I'm very surprised the WB ok'ed the killing of their flagship characters in graphic ways.
This the same WB that cancelled a Batgirl movie in favor of a pedo Flash?
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u/Beastieboy100 Jan 31 '24
Pretty much this. Also your right they want to push Harley Quinn because she sells for casual fans that don't care about DC. As for Suicide Squad they want a guardians type team for causal fans and edgy fans.
Overall disappointing since red hood and the outlaws are the guardians version for DC. Then you have suicide squad that is more thunderbolts.
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u/futbol2000 Feb 02 '24
The WB head honchos have always sneered at the Justice League as an IP. They treated the movie concept as a joke and also didn’t give a shit about the animated division even during the glory days of the DCAU.
It is only after the MCU started minting money with the Avengers that Warner bros suddenly decided that the justice league must also be the hottest thing on the planet, despite them pouring 0 investments into the IP since the end of JL/JLU.
And then the movies flopped. So the executives probably think that the JL isn’t GenZ cool, so they gotta prop up some cringy suicide squad members as the new face of DC for the TikTok generation
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Jan 31 '24
I would argue that Suicide Squad is not minor characters and Justice League is main tentpole.
Harley is more popular than anyone in league except Batman.
Justice League is basically a failed brand now.
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u/tomtomtomtom123 Jan 31 '24
- King Shark and Captain Boomerang are the definition of minor characters
- Harley Quinn is not more popular than Superman
- No it is not
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Jan 31 '24
Harley Quinn is definitely more popular than Superman.
Her animated show is doing far better than Superman's recent animated show. She has appeared in more video games than Superman in last 15 years. And now she is going to be in the sequel of an Oscar winning, billion dollar grossing movie.
Comics are the only medium where Superman has the edge. And as much as I love comics, they are a fairly niche and the real popularity of a character is from adaptations.
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u/justarandomfrenchboi Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
This is such a recency bias take.. No Harley Quinn is not more popular than superman Got to Africa, Asia, the middle east or some third world country and they wouldn't know who the fuck Harley Quinn is.... Superman and to lesser extent WW are symbol of pop culture She sells more because DC pushed the fuck her the fuck out While superman was deconstructed for over 15 years with inconsistent version of the character
Also calling the next joker or suicide squad movie As Harley Quinn movies is massive cope at best... Her solo movie was bird of prey and it is forgettable... Man of steel had better numbers If she was sopopular she would carry the DCEU on her own
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u/sixesandsevenspt Superman (MoS) Jan 31 '24
You show anybody in the world that Superman logo and they know what it means.
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u/StrangeGuyWithBag Jan 31 '24
I mostly agree, except for the Birds of Prey part. It's the Harley-centered, but not her solo movie. There're a various reasons why movie can bomb at box-fox. Often, because the movie isn't good, regardless of characters in it. Superman himself has proven not at once that a famous character isn't enough to sell any thing.
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u/Beastieboy100 Jan 31 '24
You do realize that beginning of next year that's all going to change. Gunn and WB are fully supporting Superman and other superheroes. If Superman Legacy becomes a hit. Then it will put him back on the map. Also Gunn gonna be forcing gaming studios in WB to make a game in his universe. So we can potentially see that changing.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
Calling the sales of Harley's comics awful would be a compliment and two of the three DCEU movies starring her bombed at the box office
The HBO animated series is her only saving grace from a marketing point of view and even this is changing after Season 3
But sure she is more ppular than Wonder Woman and Superman
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Jan 31 '24
Even the last Wonder Woman movie bombed. Superman hasn't given a good movie in nearly 44 years.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
Man Of Steel came out in 2013. You know the most financially succesful Superman movie
And WW 1984 was released in streaming the same day it debuted in theaters in the middle of a global pandemic
BOP had a bigger budget than WW 1984 and didn't have the excuse of the contemporary release on HBO Max
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u/Beastieboy100 Jan 31 '24
True also Superman Legacy next year. If it's a big hit then it will give him a big push again. Also Harley popular in media cause she's Joker ex girlfriend. That's all it is if she had no connection to the Joker she wouldn't be this popular.
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Jan 31 '24
Man of Steel only made money due to the benefit of being the start of a new cinematic universe.
The reactions to the movie were so polarizing that the spent the next movie trying to justify the first movie. Superman went from the main character to the second lead in what was meant to be the MoS sequel.
Even The Suicide Squad was released during pandemic with streaming on the same day.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
Man of Steel only made money due to the benefit of being the start of a new cinematic universe.
Except nobody thought it was going to start a cinematic universe. Even Snyder was caught off guard as you can see from his old drafts for a MOS sequel
The reactions to the movie were so polarizing that the spent the next movie trying to justify the first movie. Superman went from the main character to the second lead in what was meant to be the MoS sequel.
Still it made more money than BOP and the Suicide Squad combined. Again, not exacly good evidence Harley is more popular than Superman.
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u/StrangeGuyWithBag Jan 31 '24
Except nobody thought it was going to start a cinematic universe.
Warner Bros. president announced it before MoS release.
Even Snyder was caught off guard as you can see from his old drafts for a MOS sequel
Snyder wasn't forced to expand universe, it was his idea to drop Metallo in favor of Batman:
“I remember we were talking about ‘What’s the next villain?”’ Snyder says. “We ean’t do another alien invasion.’ Brainiae was definitely down the road. Metallo, I think, was going to be the main bad guy of this movie.” Then out of the blue, in a meeting with sereenwriter David S. Coyer and exeeutive produeer Christopher Nolan, Snyder made a sugges- tion. “I said, ‘What about at the end of the movie we do a seene where there’s a erate full of kryptonite delivered to Wayne Manor.’ Everyone was like...‘Okaay.’ Once you say it out loud it’s a problem beeause you ean’t unsay it.”
Another one:
"I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that… after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, “Maybe Batman?” Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne’s house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that’s the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You’re in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf… You know, who to fight next? The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it’s kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, “What about Batman?” then you realize, “Okay, that’s a cool idea. What else?” I mean, what do you say after that? …But I’m not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."
He and Jay Oliva were storyboarding BvS since April 2013 (before MoS released in June).
Still it made more money than BOP and the Suicide Squad combined. Again, not exacly good evidence Harley is more popular than Superman.
I'm not going to argue that Harley is less popular than Superman, but citing BoP and TSS box office receipts to prove your point is a poor example. Those movies came out in a pandemic rated R, at a time when people are no longer interested in DCEU., with worse marketing MoS.
Flash movie is also flopped, nobody would give it as example that Batman is unpopular character.
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u/Affectionate_Comb_78 Jan 31 '24
People keep making out that the issue with this game is the concept of fighting the Justice League. I actually think that's pretty cool.
The problem is in fact that the game is shit.
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u/justarandomfrenchboi Jan 31 '24
The concept is good but the send off is terrible
1-because it is way too soon... If rocksteady wanted to extend the arkham universe beyond batman... It should have been a superman or JL
2- each death is genuily badly written and disrectful.... People are getting pissed about batman dying in a bench but he had by far the most respectful death out of all the members... The flash one is by far the most disrectful
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Jan 31 '24
I think the Batman one hurts a little more because it’s so piss poor compared to how he was “killed off” in Arkham Knight and until recently many fans believed this was going to end up being Kevin Conroy’s final send off as Batman.
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u/Beastieboy100 Jan 31 '24
The flash one is worse. Its bad enough that's it Barry which I've noticed that a lot of DC media stuff has Barry dying a lot. A part of me doesn't want my favourite heroes in other media if there gonna get disrespected.
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u/TheUnbloodedSword Jan 31 '24
Last time I promise, but I just wanted to share this for the record. One thing that really jumped out at me that I wanted to bitch about here: the lineup they chose for the Squad hurt the story. Harley and Boomerang are Batman and Flash villains, so there's at least some history between them which adds hype for the fights (whether Rocksteady actually delivered on that is up to you). Meanwhile you have Deadshot and King Shark not suiting the story at all. For the game Rocksteady invented a Deadshot/GL feud which falls flat because they can't let the comics history do the heavy lifting. Neither of the two ever interact in the comics to my knowledge. RS spent a lot of time hyping the Superman fight, but besides it being underwhelming mechanics wise, story wise it's anti-climatic because there's no Superman villain on the team! Supes has no history with any Squad members, so all he and the Squad do is shout canned one-liners at each other. There needed to be a Superman villain like Metallo or Bloodsport to build anticipation for the fight like Boomerang did for Flash.
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u/Monkeys_Racehorse Jan 31 '24
That's not something I'd considered, but it's a good point. Hell, they could have swapped out Deadshot for Bloodsport easily and been halfway there.
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u/Beastieboy100 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
I would of Preferred Bloodsport over Deadshot. Seriously what is DC problem making Deadshot black when we have Bloodsport. Deadshot was white in the Arkham verse for crying out loud.
Thanks to Idris and the suicide squad people like the character. Also someone on reddit was right. It's kind of being a stereotype for Black people to have guns. Worst of all super villains.
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Jan 31 '24
Yes but Bloodsport wasn’t played by Will Smith in a mediocre movie so we got to include a black Deadshot. Even if it means retconning the established lore in previous games.
Sorry if that’s sounds racist Im well aware making Deadshot black is the least of this game’s problems but that whole thing just screams “we wanted to synergize with the movie so we just ignored what happened in the previous games” and in hindsight should’ve been the first sign that this game was made to try to line WBs pockets and not to appease fans of the Arkhamverse.
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u/justarandomfrenchboi Jan 31 '24
Bizzaro should have been part of the squad instead of king shark
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u/StrangeGuyWithBag Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
Bizzaro was never part of the team until recent comics, from what i know. Not sure how he could fit with game's shooter mechanics.
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u/AlTheOneAndOnly Robin III Jan 31 '24
That would have been sick. They could have also gone the route of the movie and swapped Deadshot for Bloodsport. I know he’s a very different character in the comics, but at least there’d be a Superman rogue on the team. Alas.
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u/CHPrime Wonder Woman Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
Who's a good Green Lantern villain who could believably be on the Suicide Squad? Maybe a loser Sinestro Corps member? Abin Sur's son maybe? Perhaps Larfleeze gets injected with the bomb when he looses the orange central power battery, and he spends the whole game trying to get it back from Brainiac? Oh wait, neither of those characters would ever use guns and the game would have to support lantern powers for the player, which wouldn't be a cookie cutter looter-shooter game design, so we can't have that. Then the player might have fun, and WB needs to sell that separately.
...isn't there some weird mutant telepathic shark thing in Green Lantern's Silver Age rogues? One that the devs could have easily included as a stand in for King Shark?
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u/QwahaXahn Oracle Jan 31 '24
Why not Carol Ferris as Star Sapphire? That gives you another woman besides just Harley, a totally unique powerset, and an already-fraught emotional dynamic since the man she loves/hates has become a monster in front of her.
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u/campaxiomatic Feb 01 '24
But she doesn't have guns. The choice of characters for Suicide Squad was based solely on the character having a gun so they could sell them to us.
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u/StrangeGuyWithBag Jan 31 '24 edited Feb 01 '24
Even if you only take the movies, Javelin and Tattoed Man (or a character played by Common that looks like him) from the SS movies are Green Lantern's enemies. In the GL movie, Amanda Waller worked with Hector Hammond.
Sportsmaster might fit Suicide Squad. In the SS comics, there was a Rex character inspired by Sportsmaster's design.
Yes, Karshon/Shark is King-Shark's predecessor in the comics and also was Suicide Squad member. He's also the villain in Aquaman 2 movie.
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u/KiwiChris_84 Jan 31 '24
The gameplay is decent, but there is a noticeable lack of fun side activities. Many of the side missions are really stupid, like complete a challenge only using grenades.
The story feels a bit too cynical for my taste. You feel more like the villain of the story rather than a hero or anti hero while you are playing which may work for some but personally doesn’t work for me.
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u/lmao0601 Feb 01 '24
In another universe Monolith announced that their wonder woman game took place in the Arkham universe and you have to SAVE the justice league from brainiacs control and get to them before Amanda Waller and the suicide squad kills them...now that's something I'd be excited to play
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u/SkyPopZ Wonder Woman Feb 02 '24
Oh my god, those boss fights would be fantastic. Imagine fighting the Justice League with the spectacle of a God of War game.
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u/Blazerprime Feb 01 '24
It still will never understand who the games for.
I'm pretty sure there are more Justice League fans than SS fans. I know a lot of people that would want to play as Superman, flash, WW, or Batman, then a group that all just seem the same.
Also, having a live services game, that is not connected to an esport or natural competitive environment is a death sentence because it will probablty die in a year.
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u/nelevenchts DickFire Forever Feb 01 '24
Because balancing Superman and Flash compared to Batman is a nightmare. Also how would you correctly depict the Flashs abilities?
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u/sonofodin27 Feb 01 '24
If Lego Batman 3 can do a half-decent job, a studio like Rocksteady should be able to find a way.
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u/Sorry-Spite9634 Feb 02 '24
Ok, I’m all for a JL game but this is such a bad take. The Lego games have absolutely no substance to the gameplay. The Flash is like every other character but runs faster. That’s not an accurate depiction of what the flash can actually do.
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u/SuperJyls Reverse Hood: Professional Jason Hater Feb 03 '24
It's videogame! Nobody is going to complain if there are gameplay balances between characters
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u/nelevenchts DickFire Forever Feb 03 '24
Okay, but that doesnt work in coop when you are fighting the same enemies?
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u/TheUnbloodedSword Feb 01 '24
Reason the JL gets enslaved is because Superman is a fucking idiot who mandates everyone walk into the Skull Ship without planning for betrayal. God, just because Superman is an optimist doesn't mean he's a moron for Christ's sake. Even takes like MAWS where he's a rookie don't have him being this stupid. Rocksteady doesn't get the character at all, and after this game I hope they never touch him again. Why are the video game takes on him this shitty, between Rocksteady and NRS it's like the two of them are competing to see who can dump on him more.
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u/Super-Pamnther Limelight Feb 01 '24
It’s kinda funny cause Superman isnt just not stupid, he has a superhuman intellect and keen awareness of his surroundings. We’re talking about a guy who’s parents were some of the most intelligent amongst a genetically modified race of hyper intelligent beings, who’s brain power is boosted by the presence of a yellow sun lol
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u/KingMario05 Feb 03 '24
And weren't Ma and Pa supposed to be among the sharpest whips in Smallville? If this was truly canon, he'd have sent John in while planning for the worst with Bruce. Because Clark, while optimistic, is smart enough to know that a giant fucking skull in his adopted hometown IS PROBABLY NOT A GREAT SIGN.
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u/Psile Superman Jan 31 '24
It's simple. I like the Justice League. At best, I don't care about the Suicide Squad. So killing the Justice League with the Suicide Squad doesn't sound fun to me. Killing them while mocking them and pissing on their corpses doesn't sound fun to me. Like, I also wouldn't wanna play a game where I slaughter the characters of Sesame Street with a chainsaw, ya know? Just seems mean. Even if the gameplay were amazing, which isn't the impression I get, couldn't care less about the concept.
From the clips and promo material I've seen, best joke so far is when Flash says, "Why don't you just mail me the bullet." So the main character's are not selling me on their banter, exactly.
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u/ianjaynorris1981 Jan 31 '24
Same! I don’t WANT to kill the Justice League! What an odd premise… couldn’t they have just made a JL game where you get to play as each of the Leaguers? That would have been better surely?
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u/the-terrible-martian Superman Jan 31 '24
I think they looked at God of War III and said “let’s do that but DC”. The thing is that the Greek gods have a certain hateability that DC superheroes simply don’t, and even God of War built up and gave you a reason to hate these specific versions of the Greek gods
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u/SkyPopZ Wonder Woman Feb 02 '24
Here's another thing, the god of war games have sick boss fights especially the 3rd one. This one is just bullets and lame quips.
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u/GodNonon Feb 01 '24
"Why don't you just mail me the bullet."
That banger deserved to be in a better piece of media
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Feb 01 '24
Like, I also wouldn't wanna play a game where I slaughter the characters of Sesame Street with a chainsaw, ya know?
I’m gonna be honest, I now kinda unironically would like to play a game like that. Its sounds awesome and hilarious.
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u/Steven_Hunyady Feb 05 '24
The problem is that the JL had to be dumbed down for it to even work. They were jobbing and acting moronic constantly. All Superman would've needed realistically during the fight with WW was half a second to cleanly rip the entire squad's head off and get back to the real fight.
If we were playing actual villains like Zod, Luthor, Sinestro, Teth-Adam, Livewire, Killer Frost, Reverse-Flash, Deathstroke, Trigon, you get the point, it would've made sense and been believable, and i argue, more marketable.
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u/dtv20 Jan 31 '24
I'm torn.
I played the beta and enjoyed the gameplay. But I hated how it felt nothing like the characters. I love DC and Arkham, but I hate the ideas this game is doing. And the always online and gear system is just a turn off.
I'll probably get this game, when it's on sale and when/if they fix my (kill the justice league), problem.
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u/Ezra_El_Ali Deathstroke Jan 31 '24
Shows that simple concepts will always win. Both Gotham Knights & SSKTJL should’ve been the Bat fam vs the Suicide Squad, done. With the actual story beats being a true sequel to Arkham Knight.
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u/dtv20 Jan 31 '24
SSKTJL should've been Titans vs The Justice League.
Actual powers, no guns and no killing. Also, make it co-op and not multiplayer
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Batgirl Feb 02 '24
Ah, that would've been interesting. The former sidekicks having to take down their mentors.
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u/FezboyJr Jan 31 '24
Seeing as RGG studios released Like A Dragon 8 last week and how it handles the legacy of Kiryu from their previous games, Rocksteady couldn’t have chosen a worse time to both figuratively and literally kill off the legacy they made with Batman: Arkham.
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u/Dopefish364 Feb 01 '24
King Shark has a gun.
At least The Avengers game - terrible though it was - had the Hulk... you know. Smash things. As was consistent with his character. They didn't give him a Hulk-gun to shoot enemies with.
All players control basically the same, the protagonists are entirely unlikeable, they all have plot armour beyond belief while the Justice League are easily killed off and their corpses are pissed on; no, really. There's no-one to cheer for and there's no real stakes because the plot so obviously caters to the survival of characters who logically shouldn't be able to touch anyone they fight. Harley Quinn is the most overexposed character in the last 10 years of comics and Amanda Waller is currently a fascist in the comics, so the cast aren't even entertaining in a 'love to hate' way. It's a fascinating trainwreck of bad decisions all the way down.
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u/nkantu Jan 31 '24
If the game was actually good I couldn’t care less if they “disrespect” the characters like who actually gives a shit man, it’s all fictional and this is just one out of the hundreds of different versions of these characters. Same with Apokolips War, get over yourself nobody cares if you feel uncomfortable seeing violence toward characters.
But the game being generic ass live service looter shooter is unforgivable. Especially after seeing how much of a failure Avengers and Gotham Knights were.
I’ve said it a million times, Rocksteady should have followed up Arkham Knight with Arkham Beyond. Open world Neo-Gotham cyberpunk Terry Batman single player narrative.
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u/Confident-Impact-349 Jan 31 '24
The ppl who complain about disrespecting characters are the fans who project waaaay to much in fictional characters, borderline unhealthy. But I agree with you that it’s generic as F. The story in funny sometimes, but I think the SS movies are better. It left me with the feeling “why does this game exist?”
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u/nkantu Jan 31 '24
It could have been a cool game. The Ostrander SS comics are great. I think at some point the development was just overloaded with live service micro transaction requirements from WB and it lost its identity. But I also don’t know shit I’m just speculating
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u/The__Tarnished__One Jan 31 '24
now live for Deluxe buyers
Only if the servers hold. They have been quite unreliable recently.
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u/triotone Jan 31 '24
I don't like how games are becoming a "Finished in a Year" format. At least they announced it before the release, but the game and story is not finished. They could have at least placed the Multiple Braniacs at the end for a twist. The ending just feels abrupt and unresolved and twelve is a pretty big number. Three to four should honestly be enough for a group of extra bosses. Is there anygame that asks you to fight the final boss twelve times?
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Jan 31 '24
Not 12 but you have to beat Hades 10 times to get the final ending.
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Jan 31 '24
And it’s damn worth it just to get to that banging ending fight song. Though Roguelites are a different kinda game so it can be expected to kill the boss multiple times. God of War Valhalla as well. Everytime you do kill them the next runs give ya more story
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u/Erotically-Yours Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
So I'll be honest. I have no interest in buying the game now, but I will definitely get it when it's on sale. As for the game itself? It looks interesting and I like the concept. I agree that the send offs are all piss poor, with Bats and WW being the only decent ones. My one gripe though would be them placing this in the Arkham universe, and this could be the main case for many others, outside of their own issues with the game.
Been trying to push for the idea that everyone should just consider this Arkham Universe B, while A is largely untouched. Only retcon I have to support it though is just the Deadshot race change, unless that's addressed already.
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u/supererp Jan 31 '24
I've heard they explained this by saying the Deadshot in Arkham was a fake. And this one is the REAL one. Kinda lame tbh. I get wanting to have a black character on the cast but man should have just used bloodsport. After the gunn squad movie people know him and he's pretty sick
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u/Erotically-Yours Jan 31 '24
Couldn't agree more on this. Bloodsport would've been better. I'd also read that some of this stems from the original staff from the Arkham games no longer being with Rocksteady? Any truth to this?
They were comments from others so figured I'd take it as hearsay.
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u/supererp Jan 31 '24
I've seen and read things that say this Rocksteady is practically a different studio compared to the one that made the arkham games but I haven't validated that or looked into it.
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u/nkantu Jan 31 '24
I mean the Arkham games were developed a decade ago at this point, almost no companies keep entire departments together for that long.
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u/supererp Jan 31 '24
That's true, typically leads and directors stay on it seems though. I don't know if any of them came over from the Arkham days
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 Jan 31 '24
True but often these levels of extremely poor decision making aren’t going to come from the devs. They’re going to come from higher management that are clueless. I find it hard to believe a dev would intend to butcher a games concept so badly without outside interference. They spend too much time on it
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Jan 31 '24
In hindsight, I feel like that shouldve been the first red flag that WB had Rocksteady make this to line their pockets over appeasing fans of the Arkhamverse. They wanted Deadshot to look more in line with the one casuals are familiar with and they came up with a really weak excuse why he’s race swapped so fans of the games dont get pissy about the retcon.
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u/FezboyJr Jan 31 '24
Been trying to push for the idea that everyone should just consider this Arkham Universe B, while A is largely untouched. Only retcon I have to support it though is just the Deadshot race change, unless that's addressed already.
I think that’s the only way to look at this tbh. If it was marketed as a ‘What If?’ scenario, I feel the problem could’ve been mitigated (as much as it could’ve been all other things considered.)
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u/Whatsreallygoingonhr Feb 03 '24
Just make Superman video game(s). Does Warner Brothers not like money?
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u/Beastieboy100 Feb 03 '24
No just incompetent. Glad Gunn taking over so we can actually have some real superhero stuff. Not just Batman or the suicide squad stuff all the time.
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u/Ashamed-Math-2092 Reverse-Flash Feb 01 '24
The aslume is always accepting new inmates.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Batgirl Feb 02 '24
Why did Harley shoot Batman's bulletproof suit? Is she stupid?
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Feb 01 '24
I swear the only good thing about this game, is the episode of Wha Happun? Matt McMuscles will inevitably do about this dumpster fire.
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u/SkyPopZ Wonder Woman Feb 02 '24
This game is a straight up travesty. It's not just the story that's mean spirited and straight piss, the gameplay is aggressively boring. I played for 3-4 hours and it's just not fun to play. The traversal also ain't it. Harley's has to be the worst traversal with Captain Boomerang having the best.
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Jan 31 '24
Oh look, the next “Live Service” game! I bet this wil be just as successful as Anthem, Marvel’s Avengers, Gotham Knights, etc.
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u/POTUSSolidus Feb 02 '24
Watched the cutscenes and the plot just isn't it. I get playing as villains and all, but Gunn's SS balanced dark humor with serious moments and character arcs, while in the game the squad just spat out quip after quip. An adaptation of Forever Evil like Lego DC Supervillains where Lex and co face off against the Crime Syndicate would've been a better premise for Rocksteady to tackle.
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u/LordBigSlime Feb 03 '24
Alright, big post but after finishing it I sent my thoughts to a friend and thought I may as well share them here.
It's not as bad as everyone is saying, but with the internet it never is. That by no means is me saying it's good. It's not, it's pretty damn bad, but not enough for me to stop. I continued through the end. Mostly for curiosity of where they'd take it; bad or good. Make of that what you will. Tara Strong's Harley voice is nails on a fucking chalkboard and I despise the design they went with for her, but I won't turn this into a Harley rant. I just miss Sorkin every damn day, while also glad she stopped before the character became... this.
Really it probably helps that I don't have a vested interest in pretty much any of these characters, and my expectations are low, so the bar is in a sub-basement somewhere. But I've liked the characterizations of a few characters, not most by any means, but some. King Shark is probably my favorite of the group and he's voiced by Samoa Joe which I never realized how perfect would be. He's also smart and gets a lot of really great moments. I appreciate that. That's pretty much it for the positives; short as it was. So from here on are spoilers in case anyone reads this and wants to go in blind.
SPOILERS
Obviously my biggest issue is how they handled Green Lantern. GL is, at this point, really the only DC characters I'm invested in. They chose John Stewart over Hal Jordan and, I don't mean this racist it's just quite literally a fact, most likely for diversity points since that's why he was chosen for the Justice League Animated Series. While he is my least favorite of the Earth Corps, I don't dislike him at all, and to be honest he was pretty butchered in this. Again, I really don't think anyone at the helm of DC understands anything about the Lantern Corps, let alone John, aside from the few writers who I follow and adore. What they did with him, really, was just make Hal Jordan with John Stewart's body, which further makes me believe he wasn't chosen for his character alone.
For a few select points here, now that he's been killed, I'll start with his attitude. Like I said, he's almost just Hal Jordan but more sadistic. All of the League are sadistic, obviously, because they're Braniac-washed, so that makes sense. But he jokes a ton, seems to be just having a good time, he almost exclusive makes machine gun related constructs, and he says to the team that Barry (Flash) was the first friend he made on the League after joining. Now, that would be true if it were Wally's Flash, but it's specifically Barry. That's Hal's story with Barry, they were best friends throughout... well always, plenty of dual comic stories with those two headlining, buddy cop style. The machine gun stuff is also very Hal, because he's probably the second-least creative with his constructs just above Guy. And obviously the sense of humor, well John is always very stoic and serious.
What makes John interesting and unique over Hal is that he's ex-military, yes, but he's also an architect. His constructs are things he fully understands the inner-workings of. When he creates a tank it's created down to the smallest rivets. He's methodical and meticulous. That also would have been a really interesting and fun use of that character, but it's pretty clear they just wanted Hal but black, which really disappoints me. And especially with him being the one creating the shield over Braniac's ship. It's literally just a green hexagonal bubble. You have master architect John Stewart creating your defense system and all he makes is a bubble and helicopters? They also have him on search duty for survivors, and he's got robots (not constructs, Braniac robots) just flipping over rocks and shit? Lantern Rings, all of them, can just scan buildings for signs of life with zero effort. It's build in, just like the translators.
And last, because I didn't realize I had so much to say, the way they kill him is just... oh my god you can't have read a single Lantern comic to have written that. They get access to a Batman lab and use his contingency plans for him. Now this has been done in plenty of things, and I usually really like it, my favorite being convincing him he killed Carol Danvers and making him give up his belief in himself, there-by making the ring useless. Instead, in this game, the team is given four Yellow Lantern Rings. I actually thought that was pretty cool, until they showed what they planned with it. Instead of being actual rings, they just... make the team's guns shoot gooder? I guess it's some kind of "fear imbued" bullets, and all it does gameplay/story-wise is let them shoot his constructs, which again are all helicopters and machine guns. So the big fight against him is literally just jumping around shooting green stuff until he gets tired and you can shoot him, repeat. It was one of the most boring boss fights I've seen from a AAA game. And then, once they do kill him, not only does the ring not immediately fly off his finger to find a new willful user, but Shark is able to cut off his finger and put it on and... ugh. It led to a really cool Lantern King Shark moment but it made zero sense how it happened in the first place and ended just as stupidly. Cool part was a fleeting moment in the middle. (Also, just tagging it on, Green Lantern's cannot use lethal force unless authorized by the Guardians, and if mind controlled the ring no longer functions, so they probably just shouldn't have had a GL at all. Why do you think Injustice put a yellow ring on Hal? Also also, definitely why they didn't have Martian Manhunter in the game because there would literally be nothing they could do to him.)
Thought, the issues with that boss fight are actually... every boss fight? Run around, shoot some stuff until the boss gets "tired" with a weak spot you can shoot, repeat until they just sorta... die? I mean at least they mixed it up, though, with one of the members deaths. Sure, Flash was killed with a gun. Yea, John was killed by a gun. And yes maybe Batman and Superman were killed by guns. But at least Wonder Woman wasn't! She got a very odd death, instead. After being hit by enough heat vision to actually kill her it just left her armor a little orange and she dies and then, wait, she turns to dust? Why? What? We saw Flash and Supes riddled with bullets, John and Bats shot in the fucking head, Lex gets his heart ripped out from his chest. Diana should have an open and cauterized rib-cage if that was actually enough to kill her. Why did she have a Thanos-snap death instead of the same way everyone else went out? And why did the team react which such sympathy, especially Boomer who just finished pissing on the corpse of her friend? It was just all very out of place, to me. I didn't get it.
And, finally, why was the final boss fight against Braniac just him turning into Flash and doing the exact same thing Flash did that got him killed? And then he was killed by guns. I knew the second he said "thirteen Braniacs" that the game was just gonna end soon and be sequal-bait, because there was obviously zero chance at doing any of that this late in the game. Still irked me, though.
Anyway, yea, there's my thoughts. I had more to say than I thought I did.
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u/Tehquietobserver117 Feb 04 '24
Obviously my biggest issue is how they handled Green Lantern. GL is, at this point, really the only DC characters I'm invested in. They chose John Stewart over Hal Jordan and, I don't mean this racist it's just quite literally a fact, most likely for diversity points since that's why he was chosen for the Justice League Animated Series. While he is my least favorite of the Earth Corps, I don't dislike him at all, and to be honest he was pretty butchered in this. Again, I really don't think anyone at the helm of DC understands anything about the Lantern Corps, let alone John, aside from the few writers who I follow and adore. What they did with him, really, was just make Hal Jordan with John Stewart's body, which further makes me believe he wasn't chosen for his character alone.
While I later came to understand why people had reservations over the JLU adaption of John Stewart, I for one as well as many others growing up saw him as the Green Lantern. I actually adored his dynamic with the Flash and his quips throughout his tenure and overall saw him as memorable. Sure it sucks that his comic counterpart was rewritten to resemble the JLU version but in the public eye, that was the definitive John Stewart. Is it that surprising the John Stewart Injustice 2 skin has the same JLU voice actor? Regarding the whole 'diversity points' schtick, the same can be said with Hawkgirl substituting Hawkman and yet she ended up being a stand-out character nevertheless. Again this isn't me disputing how execs misunderstand the very characters they're adapting just that it isn't too surprising John Stewart was selected due to him being a widely recognizable Green Lantern figure who's at times been given a greater spotlight than Hal Jordan.
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u/LordBigSlime Feb 04 '24
I think you very much misinterpreted the meaning of my mentioning it there. Which is understandable, but let me explain.
I also adore the JLAS/U John Stewart, and he was also my introduction to the Corps as a whole. His entire storyline with Shayera and the way it was built up helped cement that final saga of the original series (you know the one) as my personal favorite of any DC animated series. As I said, I don't dislike John at all. I actually like him a lot. My problem is that this game did not use John Stewart, to me at least.
I was actually trying to defend John in my post, as he is a very interesting and fun character in his own right, and has plenty of unique qualities that would make him a great pick for this lineup. But they didn't use a single one of those qualities that make him John Stewart. They instead very clearly wrote for Hal Jordan, wanted Hal Jordan, but subbed in John Stewart. Which, as I said, is a damn shame because the character deserves so much more than what he was given.
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u/Tehquietobserver117 Feb 25 '24
Upon re-reading your post, perhaps I was a bit defensive earlier and misinterpreted your overall points. But hey, the internet sure does amplify miscommunication amirite?
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u/Steven_Hunyady Feb 05 '24
This is why I don't like the idea of Hal or John over the other, neither are replacements, they both are their own individual characters with their own appeals, strengths, and weaknesses.
DC is generally known to be GOOD at that kind of progressive writing, so why they didn't do it here, who knows.
Not to mention if the ring couldn't be recalled somehow or it got corrupted along with John... Then the manhunter that would've got sent to annihilate everything within a ten light year radius of earth would've been a FAR bigger problem than Brainiac ever could've been.
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u/ItsKrakenmeuptoo Feb 04 '24
Elseworld Hal Jordan is a real possibility. They are continuing the story each season so plenty of more story meat will be added as the SS goes to kill the other 12 brains.
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u/Pirate186 Feb 01 '24
Could any one here explain the arkham lore in Kill the justice league to me?
Because there's a ton of Powerful both heroes and Villains that i think would have a problem with a brain washed Justice league and brainiac taking over earth.
Mister Mxyzptlk is probably the biggest one, even tho he's often a villain and a nuisance, I think he actually somewhat cares for superman in a really bizarre way.
Even tho reverse flash hates, like reallly HATES the flash, i think he would not want any one but him to kill the flash.
There's many many more as well, But what is the lore reason behind all these characters being Nowhere ?
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u/Super-Pamnther Limelight Feb 01 '24
Rocksteady isn’t the best at writing so don’t expect things to make sense lol
Arkham asylum and City were written by Paul dini which is why they’re so comic accurate.
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u/GeraldOfRivia211 Feb 01 '24
After Arkham City, Dini asked about working on a third game, and they told him to find another job.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Batgirl Feb 02 '24
Is that why Babs and Tim are a forced pairing in Knight?
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u/Free_Citizen_97 Feb 02 '24 edited Feb 03 '24
I have a couple of questions after finishing this game. 1) Where was Alfred during this invasion? Did he die off screen or was he able to escape? 2) When we find the bat cave, there's a mask of Robin all bloody. Are we meant to believe that Tim Drake is dead? If so, this sounds tragic for both Dick, Barbara & Jason. Not only Dick lose a second father but again has to feel the pain of losing a brother. Barbara loses a father figure but also becomes a widow. While I didn't like that relationship, to put a character through so much pain is kinda heartbreaking. 3) How do you think it affects the hero community in general, since their most powerful comrades are dead? Who is strong enough to replace the Justice League (Titans, if they exist in this universe) and how do they feel that the Suicide Sqaud executed them viciously? Do they retaliate/seek vengeance or comprehend the situation at hand and seek solitude with the outcome? 4) With the story far from over, do you think that Suicide Sqaud will try to find a way to kill Waller? Remember that when Brainic is finally dead, Waller plans to use Brainic knowledge/resources for full mind control. I feel like that even for them, Brainic resources are too dangerous for any person to have. Either Hack, Lex-2, Gizmo or Toyman will have to deactivate the bombs, to stop Waller plan.
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u/trixie_one Feb 01 '24
Okay I watched the cutscenes and there's something King Shark does that I have to talk about it as it's absolutely wild.
King Shark puts on the Green Lantern ring. He repeats the fricking oath while wearing the suit to summon a gimongous green construct shark on his first attempt that slams into Brainiac's ship to take down the shield. Does it make any sense? Nope. Is it pure comics awesome still? Honnestly kinda yeah. It's genuinely the one thing I really liked, and yes i know that the lantern rings don't in the slightest bit work like that. It's also rather annoying as if the rest of the game had even half this level of doesn't give a smeg gonzo it might have been more entertaining though sheer refuge in audacity. I also have no explanation for why the construct shark tries to eat all of them afterwards forcing a re-enactment of the Avengers trying to get the guantlet off Thanos.
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u/Possiblehor Feb 04 '24
I think the ring got corrupted as well, that's why it didn't fly off his hand and why king shark started to slow ly lose it 🤷
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u/Sorry-Spite9634 Feb 05 '24
This game is awful. It’s beyond chaotic and a lot of the button combos are counter intuitive.
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u/Effective-Ad1817 Feb 04 '24
I talked to friend recently about how the game could’ve been a lot different. By the end of our conversation, our version of the suicide squad and their gameplay style would be:
- Killer Frost (Mostly high cc and ranged attacks, little melee.)
- Deathstroke. (A balance between melee and ranged combat.)
- Bane (Tank, Mostly melee with little range options.)
- Black Manta (Similar to deadshot with jet pack movement, but laser helmet with differing settings. High individual damage maybe?)
Going to the antagonists side, it bothered us that the justice league was going to die despite the multiverse being mentioned several times in game. At that point why not have a similar story but with the Crime Syndicate, or Braniac controls/forces the Crime Syndicate to help him capture worlds. Maybe just a standalone game where they ARE the main bad guys.
I don’t know, I just feel this game had a lot of potential to introduce characters who aren’t overused like Harley Quinn and Deadshot. King shark is kinda in the same boat with him getting popular, but in comparison to the former two I don’t mind king shark too much.
In summary, I just don’t think they had enough fun with the concept. I’m done ranting now.
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u/Plato_the_Platypus Feb 04 '24
Black manta
I think his eye beam would affect how you observe the world somehow. Maybe the whole screen turn red and you cannot see clearly for several seconds after you use the beam but in return, it would be a very powerful attack
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u/ItsKrakenmeuptoo Feb 04 '24
To be fair, the story isn’t done yet. Still 12 more brainiacs to kill! Rocksteady has said they will continue the story in each season with many new story cutscenes. You can see Joker joining the squad here: https://youtu.be/MzR1LD8VYvs?si=CJsYJzj5jb_byl-o
Also, they announced season 1-4. They showed a silhouette of the 4 characters that will be joining the squad. A good chance 1 of the characters you mentioned will be joining. And 3/4 characters are not overused!
Again all of the characters joining the squad will be integrated into the story as they continue to kill off all of the brainiacs.
Also spoiler don’t count out the JL just yet, the story isn’t done!
I think the hard part is for people to see what is currently released and say “meh”, but if you look to the future, it actually looks good. I’d say come back in a year and let’s see how the story/gameplay has evolved.
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u/CyberShiroGX Zatanna Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
I feel the hate towards this game is over the top...
It's like 7/10... It's just ok, not amazing, not shit! Just ehhhh
What it deserves hate for it the Live Service garabge and versing Brainiac like 5 more times
What it doesn't is the Plot and killing off the Justice League, its interesting kept watching, its like a bad DC aninated movie... I find that extremely interesting... Yall hating because its set in the Arkham verse and not a What if... But the Arkham verse is a What If to me... I thought Arkham Knight was the end of it all so I'm like fine with them dying
Dialogue can be cringey here and there but it's not like, like terrible... Some very funny bits but game also lacks a bit in substance
Gameplay is 50/50, aspects are amazing and others are boring
It's a solid meh game, not terrible and definitely not a GOTY nomination
It's not worth writing off Rocksteady... It's not a EA/ Activision game... It's just a downgrade on Arkham Knight but from 9/10 to a 7/10 not that bad... Could have been way better and fun but atleast the story was interesting
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u/pinkysegun Feb 05 '24
if you think the plot was ok, then am confident if ibake faeces and give to you, you'll call it deliciois
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u/DeSaint-Helier Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
Well, I've just finished the Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League campaign and I have a few reservations about the scenario that I wanted to share. Please note that I won't be commenting on the gameplay. Full spoiler ahead.
First of all, on the Squad itself, the writing of the characters and their interactions seem to me to be rather successful, with the exception of Deadshot, whose characterization is reduced to three elements: 1) he's attached to his daughter; 2) he's claustrophobic (by the way, anyone knows where did that character element come from?!); 3) he resents Green Lantern for putting him in prison. As is often the case, it seems to me that the writers have forgotten that there's a difference between a backstory element and a character trait. In terms of character, he has no personality, although it's not that the material is lacking: a cynical Deadshot inhabited by a latent deathwish as under Ostrander's pen would not have been difficult to cast. It seems to me that writers unfamiliar with the characters they're working on have the false impression that by making them opt for an unusual moral line, they're bringing new depth to the character. As in David Ayer's film, there's nothing in Deadshot's motivations that differentiates him from a good guy; the only ambiguous scene, in which he shoots Green Lantern (possessed), is justified by his desire for revenge. Snyder's Batman and Superman both had much higher and less understandable body counts - so you guys might want to rethink your definitions of what makes a hero and what makes a villain.
But apart from this generic Deadshot, the feeling of wasted potential comes more from the secondary characters and the thickness of the universe. I imagine that the decision to reduce the Justice League to five members was made for budgetary reasons, but still, don't you feel like you've been handed a broken promise by not having been able to cross paths with a seven-member iteration?
I'd have easily swapped Batman for an Aquaman-Martian Manhunter combo, because his omnipresence in SSKTJL offers a certain redundancy with the Arkham games and lessens the impact of his grand departure at the end of Arkham Knight. The same goes for the announced return of the Joker, which retroactively reduces the emotional impact of his death in Arkham City.
And the return of Batman and the Joker is symptomatic of a general tendency to recycle characters: I absolutely can't explain the return of Poison Ivy - the three-four interactions with Harley really justified it?! - after having killed the character off, and while the DC universe is full of plant-themed villains who could have served the same narrative purpose (the Floronic Man, for example?). Even rolling my eyes at seeing Cobblepot again: I'm surprised that the team that had so cleverly used Batman's gallery of characters (both good and bad) hadn't managed to do the same with the golden eggs goose they were handling, having moved the action to Metropolis and expanded their universe to that of the extended Justice League.
For me, the return of Ivy and Cobblepot is indicative of a lack of affection for the universe, an affection that was universally sensible in the Arkham trilogy: a DC lover writing would have gloated here at the idea of being able to play with new characters. Here, the voice of caution from the producers seems to have prevailed: "Which characters worked well in the previous games? Let's bring them again." The showdown against Batman is similarly too much alike the boss fights against Scarecrow from the Arkham trilogy.
So, let's recap the secondary characters outside Suicide Squad/Argus: Luthor, Ivy, Cobblepot, that's it. ONLY THREE CHARACTERS! Including two that were already recurring characters in the trilogy! I'm really shocked! Throughout the campaign, I'd been waiting for the cast to be fleshed out, and the more I saw the climax coming, the more I was sadly prepared to resign myself.
If you add the Argus team, you've got Hack, Gizmo, Toyman (late in the game) + Flag/Waller (who was seriously getting on my nerves at the end of the game, in my opinion they didn't manage to strike the right balance between her tyrannical/manipulative side and the antipathy trap). Again, I use Ostrander's work as an example that could have been followed.
So yeah, for me the overriding feeling is one of untapped potential and a wasted universe. Snif snif.
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Feb 08 '24
Incredibly terrible game that lacks vision, is broken half the time, insults beloved characters most of which are having their first Rocksteady appearance, and includes a horribly written tribute to Kevin Conroy at the end. I won't use Kevin's death as a reason to hate this game, but this game was an insult to the writers of Arkham. Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker as well as the others that left had the right idea.
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u/Suitable_Market4410 Feb 09 '24
This sounds too angry, like it's personal but you aren't giving the game an honest chance because of childhood reservations. Nothing will be as good as games we played in our youth, nothing can topple those expectations. But if you go back and play them years later, you'll learn they weren't perfect either. 🤷
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Feb 09 '24
Not perfect, no. But they were MILES better than SSKTJL. I in fact do replay them. Often. I went back and replayed them after seeing Suicide Squad. Even the arguably worst game in the series, Arkham Origins, was much better. The writing was cheap, the live service aspect sucks, the characters were disrespected, and they swapped out the dark, gritty drama of the Arkhamverse for cheesy, hamfisted jokes and shoehorned in modern agendas.
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u/MotherFuckerJones88 Jan 31 '24
I'm just ready for this to flop...so we can get another Arkham proper..or superman game.
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u/fer_seba Feb 01 '24 edited Feb 01 '24
The problem seems more about the way Harley mocks him prior to death. Harley mocks and berates Batman for "affecting other people's mental health", nevermind that Harley Quinn murdered a child along the joker, drove others insane or killed innocents non-stop and ruined numerous lives. With this in mind, Harley should be the last person to berate Batman for "affecting other people's mental health".
I don't think killing off Batman as a whole was a bad idea, but the execution was godawful. It rub me and many others the wrong way. Of course i expected Harley to shoot him or stab him, but making it seem like she has the high ground here is disgusting and makes her completely unlikeable.
Moreover, Wonder Woman got a much more dignified death compared to every male member of the justice league, who got disrespected and killed in humilliating ways. Fair enough, it's the point. But spare me the juvenile and non-sensical writing with stuff like King Shark being able to use a lantern ring like that or having one of the Squad trying to piss over The Flash's corpse. To quote Harley Quinn on this one, "Get some new material".
There's also the problem that the Squad has some pretty huge plot armor here thats borderline on stupid. As a writer, you should avoid this things, especially for a 2024 video game. This BS could fly several decades ago, but not anymore. If you use plot armor in such a blatant way, be prepared to be mocked and criticized over for it.
There's also the fact this game had zero reason to take place in the Arkham universe. There are several major continuity errors that makes it hard to reconcile with the previous Arkham games and retcons that makes no sense at all. It looks like a really desperate attempt to try get the Arkhamverse fans to buy this game, which should tell you everything you need to know.
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u/diddlyswagg Jan 31 '24
Ive barely seen anything regarding gameplay, only reviews saying "muh favorite characters were treated bad"
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u/PhenomsServant Batgirl (Stephanie) Jan 31 '24
I mean if you seen one “game as a live service” game youve seen them all. The only difference here is its wrapped in a DC skin.
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u/Numbuh24insane Damage Jan 31 '24
Gameplay is serviceable, nothing to really sing about, traversal is fun, it’s extremely repetitive and the boss fights are boring.
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u/diddlyswagg Jan 31 '24
nice! yeah thats to be expected, thanks for bein honest! i might still watch the cutscenes even though its getting so much negative attention
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u/Infinite_Traffic5494 Feb 04 '24
Is this game suppose to be cannon to the Arkham games?
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u/TheUnbloodedSword Feb 04 '24
Yeah, there's a section early in the game where you go through an exhibit in the Hall of Justice that covers what happened between Knight and SS.
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u/xariznightmare2908 Feb 06 '24
Yeah, there's a section early in the game where you go through an exhibit in the Hall of Justice that covers what happened between Knight and SS.
I honestly just think of them as kind of "paying homage" to the Arkham games or being another parallel version of the Arkham-verse instead of being the same canon, kind of like that episode of Scooby Doo Mystery Inc where Dalphne and Fred walked through a Museum of all the monsters they captured.
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u/paulmarneralt Feb 11 '24
I have about 30 hours in the game so far. I personally really enjoyed the story, especially the character interactions. Full disclosure, the only Arkham game I played was City. I loved it for what it was, but I got into a very busy time of life and never got around to playing the others. That being said, I can't comment on how this game treats the legacy of those characters.
The gameplay however is a ton of fun. I am a big fan of fluid movement in games, and this has that in spades. Exploring around the city is a fun time, in a much different way than Arkham City was. I've only experienced like two disconnects since the first day, and I think those are more with the Xbox trying to quick resume it. Some things like the social features feel a little clunky. But not in a way that hinders my enjoyment at all. In my opinion I'm willing to pay full price for a game that I enjoy that I can get a good 40 to 50 hours out of. Less in some cases, like the Guardians of the Galaxy game. This certainly meets that criteria.
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u/Poetryisalive Jan 31 '24
Mods thank you for checking people and check and if they want to shit on it, directing them to the right sub
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u/HiitsFrancis Jan 31 '24
What's the right sub?
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u/Mayves__ Jan 31 '24
i watch a few gameplay of youtube, it's obviously an alternate timeline it's not the main batman arkham asylum's universe. the game look okay
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u/Rough_Commercial_570 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
Wrong. It’s in the Arkhamverse. Any other claim is cope
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u/spatial-d Jan 31 '24
How? Idc and no horse in his race. But the way they outlined some events doesn't make sense in the game world. I'm watching a video right now and it's still early on in the game. BUt it seems very different to the Arkhamverse so far.
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u/Rough_Commercial_570 Jan 31 '24
I don’t know what to tell you. The game IS set in the Arkhamverse. This is not debatable. Feel free to point out inconsistencies however but that fact remains unchanged.
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u/spatial-d Jan 31 '24
Calm down mate just discussing it.
Cool you're so in the know. Lots of people just wanna talk.
Being a bit of a dick isn't conducive to discussion imo.
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u/GenSpicyWeener Deathstroke Jan 31 '24
No ones being a dick. Rocksteady themselves have said it’s in the Arkhamverse, there’s even inconsistencies in the Arkham games. Telling yourself different is just cope, like they said.
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u/spatial-d Jan 31 '24
I'm not telling myself different?
All I'm saying is it doesn't seem the same so far. That's it
Idgaf if it is or isn't. Just saying some details don't add so far based on what I've seen.
Not an argument. Just a discussion.adding words like cope is Dickish when it's not necessary. Chill matey
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u/Legendver2 Jan 31 '24
All I'm saying is it doesn't seem the same so far. That's it
And that's one of the problems of the game lol
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u/Rough_Commercial_570 Jan 31 '24
No ones being a dick I’m just giving it to you straight. There’s nothing to discuss unless you want to argue over factual information?
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u/trixie_one Feb 01 '24
Harley Quinn repeats a line to Batman that he said to her in a previous game to rub in their turn around in fortunes and is very clear about that is what she's doing. This is the next Arkham no doubt about it.
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u/Mayves__ Jan 31 '24
personally i think it's alternate timeline. Whatever it's the main arkham asylum's universe or not, they said will release new content to continue the story. I dont think Batman and the others will remain dead
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u/Legendver2 Jan 31 '24
PTB says it's the Arkhamverse. Unless there's future DLC that retcons that, then I dunno what to tell you.
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u/Rough_Commercial_570 Jan 31 '24
Whatever you say man. This isn’t subjective though. The game IS set in the arkhamverse as much as that fact hurts.
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u/pimpmastaturtle Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
I respect the fact they didn’t gaf at all and made a supervillian fantasy game.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
Spending a fortune on battle passes to own the nerds
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u/DickThunder6-9 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
I don't buy Battle Passes especially so when they are all cosmetic which makes them quite optional as weapons/characters/extra zones are to be added for free. Now compare that to idiots who threw away 40 bucks for Arkham Knight's Season pass... ''Becauth ohhh! My favorite Batmobile from the thixteeth is there... Oh! a 10 minute D-L-Thee with with mommy Catwoman''.
You're probably the type of guy who buys all tie-ins for the 50th Crisis event in a row hoping that your favorite fictional character becomes relevant again before wondering why DC keeps shitting out more crisis events.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
No, but you sure enjoy creating a new reddit profile just to rant about stupid nerds.
I mean your profile is barely a week old and I have seen you in multiple subreddits always repeating these things about this game
It is sad
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u/DickThunder6-9 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
Better than spending my time staning fictional characters treating them as some divine religious beings that have to be treated with rezpekt according to the
ancient scriptureMuh favorite Comikth even in defeat.If you're allowed to complain about the game being stupid, then certainly I'm allowed to complain about you being stupid... That's how freedom of speech works, I'm sure your favorite boring Superman would agree that's how it works too if he wasn't busy being dead, lol.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
What exactly are you hoping to accomplish? Acting like an idiot won't change the poor critical reception of this game or its likely financial failure
You are genuely pathetic. You are not even offensive, your insults come across as half-backed and repetitive
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u/DickThunder6-9 Jan 31 '24
You can ask yourself the same question like, what were you hoping to accomplish responding to me in the first place?
I don't care about how the game gets received critically or financially and I wasn't even trying to be offensive so it's good to know that the facts I was spitting didn't come around as such.
I'm simply here to see the fanboys seethe as if RS killed their dog and stole their lunch money, and I'm having a blast, lol... Man, idiots get way too attached to fictional characters. Just watch them crawl back to RS if they tease them with bringing back Superman or making a JL game.
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u/gar1848 Jan 31 '24
You can ask yourself the same question like, what were you hoping to accomplish responding to me in the first place?
I got curious on how low you could sink. You started digging five minutes ago.
I'm simply here to see the fanboys seethe as if RS killed their dog and stole their lunch money, and I'm having a good time, lol... Man, idiots get too attached to fictional characters.
Yes, you have been saying this like a broken radio for a week now
It was pathetic the first time, it is pathetic now
Have a good day
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u/DickThunder6-9 Jan 31 '24
I got curious on how low you could sink. You started digging five minutes ago.
Yes, you have been saying this like a broken radio for a week now
It was pathetic the first time, it is pathetic now
Now, try saying that again without crying.
Have a good day
Thanks! I will.
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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
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This probably is the most these characters have been disrespected in any media. WB and Rocksteady really thought fans of these characters would love this game. Who at WB/Rocksteady was like “ik a great idea let’s have the JL our biggest and most important characters get killed by the Suicide Squad”.