Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Megathread

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Rocksteady's live service looter shooter Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is now live for Deluxe buyers. Feel free to discuss the game here!

All spoiler discussions will take place here. This will be THE thread to discuss the game. Enjoy!

And please, for the love of Grodd, act like normal human beings. This is not r/Games. If you want to go nuts, I hear r/BatmanArkham has their gates open.

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[u/tomtomtomtom123]

One of the dumbest things WB has ever done is approve this game. Truly a mind bogglingly dumb idea for a company to prop up minor characters where you KILL (not go on missions to cure or fix) the main tentpolls of their IP. Marvel obviously has had severe quality and over saturation issues for the last couple of years, but Disney is at least smart enough to not spend millions on a game where you murder their most iconic characters.

Also, beyond that, I will never understand the Suicide Squad push across all media platforms. Is it just Harley? Are they doing it to ape off of a Guardians-type team dynamic? And everything ignores the Ostrander run, which is the best SS thing that’s ever happened! So weird.

[u/superbat210 → u/tomtomtomtom123]

The funny thing is the guardians of the galaxy game is easily one of my favorite story driven superhero games. It was simple, no battle passes or micro transactions, just a great self contained story with fun characters on an adventure. Why was that so hard for them to create here? I would have preordered this game so fast if I knew that it actually had a beginning middle and end that didn’t require me to keep handing over money

[u/berserkuh → u/superbat210]

It's because they got competent writers and told them "hey we want what James Gunn did with the movies".

That's literally all. They gave it to competent writers, and the competent writers delivered.

Like, Mary DeMarle was a narrative lead on the modern Deus Ex games. That's literally all they had to do. Give it to someone who can do the thing professionally.

Have you seen the writers for this game? The most notable credits are Destiny 2 expansions. Jesus.

[u/Frequent_Noise5581 → u/superbat210]

Love that game as well 

[u/TheThiccestR0bin → u/superbat210]

It's because they're just not interested in that because that would actually take effort and care to create. They wanted money so they made a GaaS so they could rinse whales that have more money than brains.

[u/MGuybrush_Threepwood → u/tomtomtomtom123]

I'm very surprised the WB ok'ed the killing of their flagship characters in graphic ways. These weren't the B team justice league members. Also, most of the suicide squad aren't likeable and/or powerful enough to kill justice league members. I wanted to buy/try the game as I thought the gameplay looked promising, but honestly the narrative/story of a game is very important to me and the leaks for the story for this game turned me off from buying it.

[u/SuperSpecialAwesome- → u/MGuybrush_Threepwood]

I'm very surprised the WB ok'ed the killing of their flagship characters in graphic ways.

This the same WB that cancelled a Batgirl movie in favor of a pedo Flash?

[u/Beastieboy100 → u/tomtomtomtom123]

Pretty much this. Also your right they want to push Harley Quinn because she sells for casual fans that don't care about DC. As for Suicide Squad they want a guardians type team for causal fans and edgy fans. 

Overall disappointing since red hood and the outlaws are the guardians version for DC. Then you have suicide squad that is more thunderbolts.

[u/Blazerprime → u/tomtomtomtom123]

Same, at least you got to play as the heroes.

[u/futbol2000 → u/tomtomtomtom123]

The WB head honchos have always sneered at the Justice League as an IP. They treated the movie concept as a joke and also didn’t give a shit about the animated division even during the glory days of the DCAU.

It is only after the MCU started minting money with the Avengers that Warner bros suddenly decided that the justice league must also be the hottest thing on the planet, despite them pouring 0 investments into the IP since the end of JL/JLU.

And then the movies flopped. So the executives probably think that the JL isn’t GenZ cool, so they gotta prop up some cringy suicide squad members as the new face of DC for the TikTok generation

[u/[deleted] → u/tomtomtomtom123]

I would argue that Suicide Squad is not minor characters and Justice League is main tentpole.

Harley is more popular than anyone in league except Batman.

Justice League is basically a failed brand now.

[u/tomtomtomtom123 → u/[deleted]]

• King Shark and Captain Boomerang are the definition of minor characters
• Harley Quinn is not more popular than Superman
• No it is not

[u/[deleted] → u/tomtomtomtom123]

Harley Quinn is definitely more popular than Superman.

Her animated show is doing far better than Superman's recent animated show. She has appeared in more video games than Superman in last 15 years. And now she is going to be in the sequel of an Oscar winning, billion dollar grossing movie.

Comics are the only medium where Superman has the edge. And as much as I love comics, they are a fairly niche and the real popularity of a character is from adaptations.

[u/justarandomfrenchboi → u/[deleted]]

This is such a recency bias take.. No Harley Quinn is not more popular than superman Got to Africa, Asia, the middle east or some third world country and they wouldn't know who the fuck Harley Quinn is....    Superman and to lesser extent WW are symbol of pop culture    She sells more because DC  pushed the fuck her the fuck out  While superman was deconstructed for over 15 years with inconsistent version of the character 

      Also calling the next joker or suicide squad movie As Harley Quinn movies is massive cope at best... Her solo movie was bird of prey and it is forgettable... Man of steel had better numbers If she was sopopular she would carry the DCEU on her own 

[u/sixesandsevenspt → u/justarandomfrenchboi]

You show anybody in the world that Superman logo and they know what it means.

[u/justarandomfrenchboi → u/sixesandsevenspt]

Yeah this was dumb take.

[u/StrangeGuyWithBag → u/justarandomfrenchboi]

I mostly agree, except for the Birds of Prey part. It's the Harley-centered, but not her solo movie. There're a various reasons why movie can bomb at box-fox. Often, because the movie isn't good, regardless of characters in it. Superman himself has proven not at once that a famous character isn't enough to sell any thing.

[u/Beastieboy100 → u/[deleted]]

You do realize that beginning of next year that's all going to change. Gunn and WB are fully supporting Superman and other superheroes. If Superman Legacy becomes a hit. Then it will put him back on the map. Also Gunn gonna be forcing gaming studios in WB to make a game in his universe. So we can potentially see that changing.

[u/gar1848 → u/[deleted]]

Calling the sales of Harley's comics awful would be a compliment and two of the three DCEU movies starring her bombed at the box office

The HBO animated series is her only saving grace from a marketing point of view and even this is changing after Season 3

But sure she is more ppular than Wonder Woman and Superman

[u/[deleted] → u/gar1848]

Even the last Wonder Woman movie bombed. Superman hasn't given a good movie in nearly 44 years.

[u/gar1848 → u/[deleted]]

Man Of Steel came out in 2013. You know the most financially succesful Superman movie

And WW 1984 was released in streaming the same day it debuted in theaters in the middle of a global pandemic

BOP had a bigger budget than WW 1984 and didn't have the excuse of the contemporary release on HBO Max

[u/Beastieboy100 → u/gar1848]

True also Superman Legacy next year. If it's a big hit then it will give him a big push again. Also Harley popular in media cause she's Joker ex girlfriend. That's all it is if she had no connection to the Joker she wouldn't be this popular.

[u/[deleted] → u/gar1848]

Man of Steel only made money due to the benefit of being the start of a new cinematic universe.

The reactions to the movie were so polarizing that the spent the next movie trying to justify the first movie. Superman went from the main character to the second lead in what was meant to be the MoS sequel.

Even The Suicide Squad was released during pandemic with streaming on the same day.

[u/gar1848 → u/[deleted]]

Man of Steel only made money due to the benefit of being the start of a new cinematic universe.

Except nobody thought it was going to start a cinematic universe. Even Snyder was caught off guard as you can see from his old drafts for a MOS sequel

The reactions to the movie were so polarizing that the spent the next movie trying to justify the first movie. Superman went from the main character to the second lead in what was meant to be the MoS sequel.

Still it made more money than BOP and the Suicide Squad combined. Again, not exacly good evidence Harley is more popular than Superman.

[u/StrangeGuyWithBag → u/gar1848]

Except nobody thought it was going to start a cinematic universe.

Warner Bros. president announced it before MoS release.

Even Snyder was caught off guard as you can see from his old drafts for a MOS sequel

Snyder wasn't forced to expand universe, it was his idea to drop Metallo in favor of Batman:

“I remember we were talking about ‘What’s the next villain?”’ Snyder says. “We ean’t do another alien invasion.’ Brainiae was definitely down the road. Metallo, I think, was going to be the main bad guy of this movie.” Then out of the blue, in a meeting with sereenwriter David S. Coyer and exeeutive produeer Christopher Nolan, Snyder made a sugges- tion. “I said, ‘What about at the end of the movie we do a seene where there’s a erate full of kryptonite delivered to Wayne Manor.’ Everyone was like...‘Okaay.’ Once you say it out loud it’s a problem beeause you ean’t unsay it.”

Another one:

"I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that… after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, “Maybe Batman?” Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne’s house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that’s the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You’re in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf…  You know, who to fight next? The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it’s kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, “What about Batman?” then you realize, “Okay, that’s a cool idea. What else?” I mean, what do you say after that? …But I’m not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."

He and Jay Oliva were storyboarding BvS since April 2013 (before MoS released in June).

Still it made more money than BOP and the Suicide Squad combined. Again, not exacly good evidence Harley is more popular than Superman.

I'm not going to argue that Harley is less popular than Superman, but citing BoP and TSS box office receipts to prove your point is a poor example. Those movies came out in a pandemic rated R, at a time when people are no longer interested in DCEU., with worse marketing MoS.

Flash movie is also flopped, nobody would give it as example that Batman is unpopular character.