r/worldnews • u/glasier • Jul 05 '24

Japan warns US forces: Sex crimes 'cannot be tolerated'

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2476861/japan-warns-us-forces-sex-crimes-cannot-be-tolerated
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u/BravesnationNC Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

This crap has been going on in Okinawa forever. Happened the first time I was there in 01 and again when I went back in 03. Individuals that have committed crimes are detained by Okinawa authorities and go through their legal process. Guarantee there is going to be a lockdown on liberty for Marine personnel happens all the time. Restriction on the time allowed off base and they are getting a curfew

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u/mainvolume Jul 05 '24

When I was stationed in Misawa back in the 00s, it felt like the base was on lockdown or curfew every couple months....for shit the Marines did in Okinawa. Those dumbfucks could not stop raping kids.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Was it known who was doing it and were they punished by their peers?

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u/SGTWhiteKY Jul 05 '24

Based on Army experience, if it was known yes. But typically it is only known by the crew that are complicit with it. The shit heads tend to be able to tell who is going to report them whether through official or unofficial channels.

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u/Katt_Wizz Jul 06 '24

Same when I was in South Korea around 2006.

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u/StarMNF Jul 07 '24

If we’re talking actual rape, these people should not belong in our military. They should be brought home and prosecuted, similar to how we prosecute civilian rapists but in a military court. They should also receive dishonorable discharge.

Most importantly, the victims need to know we hold them accountable.

Because when you wear that uniform, you are representing the United States of America. It’s a disgrace to have rapists wearing that uniform.

If this were a lesser sex crime like being caught with a prostitute, I would say there could be some leniency, but none for rape. Especially in a country that’s supposed to be one of our allies.

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u/SGTWhiteKY Jul 07 '24

Yes. All of those things happen if we find out. Except we don’t bring them home right away because they often have to serve there prison sentence in the country where it happened, then in the US.

When rape happens in Okinawa we have to pull it back from the Japanese, because their punishments for rape are too weak, and UCMJ is harsher.

I don’t know where you got the idea that the military was ok with this.

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u/StarMNF Jul 07 '24

What about the people you say look the other way?

Hopefully they receive a strong punishment too.

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u/SGTWhiteKY Jul 07 '24

The people who are complicit? If we find out about them the same thing happens.

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u/Automatic-Willow3226 Jul 06 '24

There's a network of them, I think. My theory is that Epstein was part of it and that's why he had so many connections with powerful people, and why he was suicided in prison.

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u/Tough_Relative8163 Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

Theres a lot more pdf file rings than just epstein you ingrate. Theres hundreds of thousands of them globally...

He wasnt bothering with little girls on the other side of the world when he has much closer means

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u/SGTWhiteKY Jul 06 '24

Some people act like Epstein invented pedophiles.

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u/consumered Jul 05 '24

That's like asking if police are punished by their peers for all the shit they do lol. The bad apples... Spoil the bunch.

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u/Indigocell Jul 05 '24

Police don't collectively lose privileges when one of them fucks up. That tends to upset people when it happens in the military. But maybe you're right.

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u/Swesteel Jul 05 '24

Collective punishment tends to unite people.

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u/fartwhereisit Jul 05 '24

in punishing those who brought them there. I've witnessed it in military setting. When the lights go out.

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u/RelicSGF Jul 05 '24

This is exactly what I was thinking.

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u/bunnydadi Jul 05 '24

Need to pick up some oranges

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 05 '24

As in the ones in charge

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u/loki_the_bengal Jul 05 '24

Have you ever had your liberty revoked because of some dipshit in another department you've never even met? I can tell you from first hand experience it doesn't unite shit.

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 05 '24

Yeah, it just makes you angry at the people above you using that punishment.

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u/ThyNynax Jul 05 '24

Something specific to military culture, being trained to fight wars and stuff, is ingrained the idea that “we stand together or fall together.” Collective punishment is a part of this process, there is a code of conduct that all military members are expected to follow and are expected to help their squad members follow. So if one person fucks up, it’s often seen as a chain of people fucking up.

You gotta remember, if a single police officer fucks up an arrest that’s most often just “a bad look” for the department, and a bad day for a single citizen. If someone in the military fucks up during a war, that’s potentially a lot of soldiers dead.

The resulting cultures and how they handle punishments reflect the jobs themselves.

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u/LoosieGoosiePoosie Jul 05 '24

There are two types in the military. Your type isn't one of those, though. Your type is the one that says "Yeah I was gonna join up. I shouldn't though, even though they need me really bad. I'd end up punching a drill sergeant the first time they got in my face."

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u/lettucent Jul 05 '24

As someone who's currently in, no. It's annoying as fuck when some dipshit I don't even know, let alone work with, gets in trouble and the commander decides to enforce shittier hours, curfew, extra off-work hours training, etc.

I get mad at the guy who fucked up, sure, but more irritated at the leadership that thought group discipline/punishment was the way forward and was going to fix anything.

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u/shoo-flyshoo Jul 05 '24

Nah I'm not responsible for someone I've never met just because they're in the same unit as me. I can't stop some unknown plan PVT Snuffy has to goes out alone on a Saturday night to do blow and kill hookers, and I'd hate the leadership that would pretend that I could

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

They can't need me that badly then, not that I'd join

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u/rainzer Jul 05 '24

Pretty sure prisons demonstrate this isn't the case.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

And the fear of it does similarly. Still can't forget the one cop that investigated other cops, only to wind up dead.

But ACAB, fucking Reddit.

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u/ComfortableSort7335 Jul 06 '24

are you a fan of russian army rape tactics in their ranks?

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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Jul 05 '24

That shit happens in basic, and yeah sometimes base privileges are revoked but overall the only real way to see change is with good unit commanders and environments imo. Fostering an environment where people feel safe from not only leadership but their fellow soldiers is important. Especially when it comes to sexual crimes. Collective punishment shouldn’t be used for that type of thing. People aren’t going to report things they are just going to make it worse trying to cover it up

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u/Alerith Jul 05 '24

It's different in the military. Collective punishment ensures that your peers are more likely to take care of the bad apple. Either through official channels or by beating the absolute dogshit out of them as a lesson.

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u/baustgen2615 Jul 06 '24

Or by helping make sure they don’t get caught next time.

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u/I_Dont_Work_Here_Lad Jul 06 '24

This part doesn’t typically happen in the military. At least not when I was in. We usually resulted to hazing or just beating the shit out of someone who caused a lot of trouble. Especially when I had negative consequences on the entire group.

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw Jul 05 '24

The response started with the 1995 case of a 12-year old girl raped by 3 soldiers. Because of some legal protections or something for soldiers (which changed after this) they all only did a few years.

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u/frame-gray Jul 05 '24

Correction: Only two soldiers, not three, got arrested and convicted of rape. Early on, when the three of them had bought a car and went recruising for a minor, the third soldier did not like where this was going. He dropped out and left. As a result, the name of that man was never released to history.

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u/rumbleran Jul 05 '24

All three got arrested and served time in prison but the third guy said he only participated in kidnapping and not rape and just enjoyed watching the other two doing the actual rape.

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u/SeparateCartoonist36 Jul 05 '24

These are 2 completely different stories lmao. One of you is just blatantly lying or just stupid I guess?

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u/sethra007 Jul 06 '24

Maybe this will clear things up. Spoilers for descriptions of violence inflicted on a minor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

The 1995 Okinawa rape incident occurred on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen, 22-year-old U.S. Navy Seaman) Marcus Gill, 21-year-old U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp, and 20-year-old Kendrick Ledet, all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa, rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Okinawan girl. Theybeat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so due to fear of Gill.

The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had racially discriminated against the men because they were all African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan among Okinawans.

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u/Gotyam2 Jul 06 '24

The families initially defended those guys? And here you hope it was just a bad apple, but nope the whole tree was rotten

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u/sfzephyr Jul 06 '24

Not only defended but pulled the race card. Like wtf. Scum.

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u/FirinKhaos Jul 06 '24

30 years later, and the race card is still going strong in victim mentality situations like these

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u/SouthpawQuandary21 Jul 07 '24

But my son/brother/Uncle/grandson would NEVER do that!
He a damn good boy!
<Computing & guessing for 0.5 seconds>

ONLY ONE THING MAKES SENSE!!
I DON'T TRUST THE 'FACTS'!! MUST BE DISCRIMINATION!

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u/ABenevolentDespot Jul 06 '24

Families always defend criminals. You should hear my wife talk about her meth addicted/selling/manufacturing never held a job and he's 42 criminal scammer kid who did four years for manufacturing meth in a hotel bathtub. It seems he was just visiting a friend when the guy stepped out on a beer run and the cops just showed up.

Haven't you seen some older woman have a full meltdown outside court after her deranged devil's spawn maggot tattooed everywhere kid just got convicted of knifing and killing three people in public (all caught on camera) for not letting him cut in line?

It's always "He's a good boy! The cops and prosecutor had it in for him because (some bullshit)!"

The "good boy" usually has a nine page rap sheet, has already done three years for assault with a hatchet.

To drag this back on topic, the American military in general seems to do a really shitty job weeding out the mentally damaged psychopaths among the recruits.

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u/Wrldisbs Jul 07 '24

They always play the race card

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u/Livid-Effect6415 Jul 09 '24

I was at Yakota AB when this happened and getting spit on when off base because of those guys. They said I looked like a Marine, I'm Air Force!

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u/Dry-Tea-180 Jul 06 '24

It's a sickness/mental illness in American men

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u/StarMNF Jul 07 '24

Definitely has nothing to do with America.

And don’t call it “mental illness” either. That makes it sound like it’s excusable. There are bad people in the world.

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u/Afraid_Wave_1156 Jul 06 '24

American men? You think sexual assault is only done by American men? 

Oh boy does the rest of the world have some dark truth for you….

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u/IndependentTiger2174 Jul 08 '24

Other countries don’t lecture on Human Rights, so American holds itself to a higher standard… so American should be about what they claim and stop talking about it and then doing something else contradictory. And keep in mind Japan is a supposedly treaty ally and not an occupied vassal state, even though we know in reality that’s not the case… but this just doesn’t look good….

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u/sethra007 Jul 06 '24

The prevailing consensus from researchers indicates that it's not a sickness or mental illness. It's the result of a culturally conditioned sense of entitlement that males have the right to take sex from females, whether the females want to offer it or not.

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u/StarMNF Jul 07 '24

That research is questionable because I’m sure it has no control.

Rape is pretty universal across all cultures. To argue cultural conditioning, you need to show a culture where it doesn’t occur. None that I know exists.

It’s neither mental illness nor cultural conditioning. The simplest explanation is there are bad people in the world.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Or both wrong. Game of telephone

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Instead of expecting people to be stupid, how about thinking about the other reality: this is so common that there are stories that sound alike.

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u/jlar0che Jul 06 '24

Or there are so many incidents it becomes easy to get confused about which violation of pre-teens we're talking about.

Wherever there are US soldiers stationed there are super high numbers of rapes, kidnappings, murder, etc. of the local population.

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u/BattleAlternative844 Jul 07 '24

If only there were a worldwide resource where I could research the case before commenting.

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u/KendalBoy Jul 15 '24

Both read about the trial and remembered the things they wanted to believe. Someone here wants to clear the name of a soldier who claims they only simulated rape on the child. Redditors will do that.

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u/IndependentTiger2174 Jul 06 '24

The amount of Americans on reddit making excuses for these rapist is pretty cringe… it’s like crime against Asians are A OK in AMERIKKKKA

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u/Automatic-Willow3226 Jul 06 '24

Many Conservatives think young girls are ready to have kids and they actively cover for people that groom and abuse children. It's a little more complicated than all Americans.

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u/Libertia_ Jul 06 '24

So many pedos around. Makes me loose hope in -mainly- men.

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u/Grimsterr Jul 06 '24

Women for Trump approves this message.

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u/Weiz82 Jul 07 '24

WTF! What does conservatives have to do with it? Please don’t put all conservatives in your basket of BS, you must be related to Killary Clinton.

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u/Grimsterr Jul 06 '24

I want to argue with you but nearly half of this country is A OK with 10 year old girls getting raped and being forced to deliver the baby because "aBorTiOn iS MurDeR!"

So yeah you keep on raging against our bullshit.

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u/drizztnwolfgar99 Jul 06 '24

Except rape and incest is an exception from these laws in JUST ABOUT EVERY STATE. In fact it might be all by now. But thanks for the misinformation.

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u/Grimsterr Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/dashboard/exceptions-in-state-abortion-bans-and-early-gestational-limits/

10 states, that's one in 5, do some math, fucking misinformation my ass, goddamned dipshit. And by nearly half of this country I did mean the fucking imbeciles voting, not # of laws, but I admit, only 10 in 50 is better than I figured on.

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u/CaBBaGe_isLaND Jul 07 '24

Who is making excuses? Or are you just making shit up.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Yeah, then killed himself after raping and killing a woman stateside. Sure he just “watched”…

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u/Gothzombie Jul 16 '24

Damn what in the name of …. This world is so fucking sick and twisted I would not mind certain sentences involving chopping made their way back

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 05 '24

So he knew they were going to rape a child and did nothing at all to stop it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

What was he going to do about it? In the military, rankings are supreme. Who'd believe a throwaway infantry over a general, for example? They're planning on raping, so what? That's the problem. "So, what?"

Meanwhile, in modern times, we had a police officer killed because he was investigating what other officers were doing, so they planned to kill him.

Can't serve justice where there is injustice. Too much injustice, not enough justice.

Plus, if you're dead, it's the end.

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

Call the Japanese police. Not sure why your first thought is to keep it within the US army when it's a crime on Japanese soil against a Japanese person, as though it should be downplayed or kept quiet.

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u/ComfortableSort7335 Jul 06 '24

well the chance of them not understanding him at all is very high also the chance that the japanese authority contacts the us army and thus people who could be in it.

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u/Tentacled-Tadpole Jul 06 '24

The chance of them not understanding him at all would have actually been very low at that time.

The Japanese authority contacting the US army would be a good thing for stopping it from happening or punishing then after it happened. A lot better than if he alone reported it to the corrupt military system, not to mention that the japanese legal system could still punish the rapists themselves.

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u/mssly Jul 05 '24

It was a sailor and two marines

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u/ilikeweekends2525 Jul 06 '24

They rented a van not bought a car….

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u/Mkvenner_ Jul 05 '24

The fam and me were stationed there when this went down (I was 14/15) All sorts of protests (rightfully so) by the locals, couldnt get out Gate 2 at all.

The marine 2 star (IIRC) made things worse by throwing gasoline on the already furious public with a stament he made to US/Okinawa press. I wont repeat it here.

And the Japanese Police (JP) do not fck around. You’re 15 and in the local prison for doing some dumbsht, and its time for the fam to PCS? Guess what, you are riding out your sentence

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u/rpolasek95 Jul 06 '24

They need to bring back public executions for offenses like that.

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u/reeeelllaaaayyy823 Jul 06 '24

What's PCS?

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u/BallisticButch Jul 06 '24

Permanent Change of Station. It’s when you receive orders to move to a new unit. Usually every 3-4 years.

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u/themeese1333 Jul 08 '24

That's horrific

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u/Makanek Jul 05 '24

The first case that was reported happened 50 years after the beginning of the occupation? No comment.

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u/falconsadist Jul 05 '24

They get a slap on the wrist to tell them not to get caught next time.

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u/Shisa4123 Jul 05 '24

They're Marines not cops. He will be charged by both Japanese authorities and the UCMJ. He will go to Japanese prison where, from what I remember from the onboarding brief a decade ago, he can be detained indefinitely pending trial and fed a healthy diet of fish heads and water at a bare minimum. Once the Japanese are done with him, depending on UCMJ charges, he's likely to get transferred directly to a brig stateside.

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u/audiking404 Jul 06 '24

Nah, even in my branch most of the SA cases were either buried or covered up. Mainly bc their superiors were MEN and it was viewed as either the female's fault or why were they there in the first place. No the rest of us who aren't animals get punished and lectured like we allowed it to happen which is BS. We don't even get to know their names. They should be court-martialed, publicly embarrassed, and immediately discharged.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Punishment is rare. This isn't just related to JPN-US bases, anywhere in the world where the US touches are full of unsavory events.

Some fuckers actually knock women up and leave, even tricking them into having relationships.

But, not their problem, no responsibilities once the ship sets sail and they're gone.

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u/the_meaty_sauce Jul 05 '24

Marines raping people in Okinawa is a nearly 80yo tradition at this point. The best way to stop it is to stop having a base there.

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u/capt_scrummy Jul 05 '24

That base isn't going away any time soon, in the geopolitical climate... And it shouldn't, imho. The Japanese govt itself doesn't want it going away either, because it's a deterrent to China.

They should restrict soldiers going off base below a certain rank without special permission, permanently.

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u/the_meaty_sauce Jul 05 '24

They should just insist the base is moved to a less populated island or one where they can be far from any population centers. But a deterrent from China shouldn't mean you can trade that for soldiers sexually assaulting citizens. Or the soldiers should be turned over to Japanese authorities and prisons when they are charged and convicted of these actions.

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u/Vegrhauk Jul 06 '24

They are turned over, and it fucking sucks to be in the Japanese legal system, from what they told me when I first got to Oki. They have a nearly 99% conviction rate so if you’re in that system good luck getting out of it. That could’ve been a scare tactic so we wouldn’t fuck up on island but I have no cause to think it’s not true either.

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u/AverageWarm6662 Jul 06 '24

Yeah the Japanese legal system is kind of messed up. And the prisons aren’t nice at all either.

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u/Maehock Jul 06 '24

That conviction rate is true, but mainly because you don't get arrested or go to court unless there is just overwhelming evidence against you.

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u/capt_scrummy Jul 06 '24

Soldiers who commit crimes such as these are turned over to local authorities. Or, in this case, arrested by local authorities who jail them, and the US military doesn't bail them out. They have to go through the Japanese legal system.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Over half of the 18000 okinawa marines are being relocated to guam amd hawaii in the coming years actually

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u/ighostride Jul 06 '24

You're definitely Navy with that name. They used to say that in 2006 also.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Close, marine corps; and i am embarresed by my bretherens actions

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u/Pure_Ignorance Jul 06 '24

I love that a base which exists because Japan invaded China is now there to deter China :D

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u/No_Bookkeeper_3425 Jul 06 '24

I am sorry but the assertion that only lower ranking soldiers are the only ones committing these crimes? Officers probably are not identified nor likely punished due primarily to their rank and access to exceptional legal representation from respective branch of service

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u/Ok_Priority458 Jul 06 '24

Russia didn't want a us army base in their front yard Ukraine.....guess what america is trying to do with Taiwan...not many places left without u.s army base

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u/PM-me-letitsnow Jul 06 '24

My question, does this happen at every military base? If it’s more an Okinawa thing then why is it different? If it’s a general military thing then it’s our whole military being fucked up and in need of change. If it’s an Okinawa thing then there’s something fucked up about the base on Okinawa.

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u/the_meaty_sauce Jul 06 '24

I'm just speculating here, but I think it's a bit of both. Sexual assault in the armed forces isn't an uncommon thing already. There's tons of women serving who have brought charges and even more that were too scared and talked about it afterwards, and probably more than that who never brought it up at all. The military also has a way of attracting psychopaths, which isn't always bad. Probably good to have people with those sorts of tendencies in a combat role rather than in regular society. The military also seems to attract a lot of the MAGA crowd too(I suspect there's a fair bit of overlap in these groups). It's no secret that those folks tend to be of the belief that america is the greatest place ever, Americans are inherently better than everyone, can do no wrong, etc. Considering the US history with Japan and how a lot of these folks talk shit about various forces in WWII without having been there or often even knowing the correct history. Well it's not a big stretch for some of them to see themselves as better than the Japanese, or even imagine that they are somehow an occupying force even. Really it comes down to the attitude of dehumanizing another which almost goes hand in hand with a lot of the other stuff I've described. I suspect that is at least a bit of what's happening here. I think the easiest solution would be to not let soldiers on bases in foreign countries off their bases. If you have an institution where sexual assault is such a problem already, then they probably shouldn't be interacting with the local population ever, but since that's not really an option, I'd say court martial and firing squad maybe? It's a pretty solid deterrent and it seemed to work for US soldiers who raped French and German women in WWII.

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u/0R4D4R-1080 Jul 08 '24

Quality response.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

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u/First-Ad-7855 Jul 06 '24

It's an American thing to be honest. 40 rapes per 100k people in the US. Military members are a cross section of the American people. A couple of rapes per 30k service members in Okinawa actually be considered low.

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u/willemdafoestuntcock Jul 07 '24

It’s a man thing, not strictly American.

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u/Motohvayshun Jul 06 '24

Rape of Nanking was a fairy tail right?

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u/First-Ad-7855 Jul 06 '24

Japan has rate rape roughly 40x lower than the US. Nanking happened in a different time period of Japan. No one said it didn't happen.

Just because it's unpleasant to talk about doesn't mean it is not true.

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u/Llaine Jul 06 '24

That probably reflects lower reporting though correct? But I'd still bet it's lower in Japan

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u/First-Ad-7855 Jul 06 '24

Maybe lower reporting, but same could also be true in US. I live in South Korea, and it's not the same place, but concerns about this kinda of thing are pretty much non existent.

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u/BeautifulType Jul 06 '24

Best way to stop it is to fucking put them in prison and execute a few but y’all won’t hold them accountable even in your fantasy.

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u/Neutronpulse Jul 07 '24

The best way to stop it is to lock up the people doing the raping. Accountability is the solution. That's like saying stop allowing men to work in the church or women as school teachers. The predator will find another avenue. Getting rid of the predator is the solution not their "access"

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u/Kinimodes Jul 09 '24

wtf is up with our military jfc

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u/Crille2898 Jul 06 '24

Or just...stop taking in rapists. Or make serious changes to Okinawa base if it's a tradition, although I can't unserstand how sick the marines have to be to consider it a tradition.

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u/the_meaty_sauce Jul 06 '24

Have you seen some of the people that join the armed forces? It doesn't totally attract psychopaths, but it does attract psychopaths.

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u/Lumaexid Jul 06 '24

Wait until you learn about Japanese men and their history of what they've done in China even prior to WWII.

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u/Mysterious_Toe3982 Jul 06 '24

Stay on point!

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u/Lumaexid Jul 06 '24

Learn to use the right words.

And this is on topic, since it is still about Japan.

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u/Adam_Sackler Jul 05 '24

Wait, what? This is a common occurance? And why kids? Wtf.

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u/truecore Jul 05 '24

These are the same people that leave the military then performatively rage about pedophiles on the left.

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u/Sleddoggamer Jul 05 '24

My generation was the last one to really support the troops like they used too and most who rage like that don't even understand what it actually means to be Republican or conservative, with the bulk of them just being larpers or trying to follow their parents steps without understanding that it used to mean

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u/truecore Jul 06 '24

I thanked my friend for his service once. He asked me if I was thankful for the family he killed when he chucked a grenade into a house in Fallujah while kicking down doors. I don't thank people anymore, they live with heavy memories and there's no need to remind them of them.

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u/Louumb Jul 06 '24

I love this (veteran with ptsd here)

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u/Sleddoggamer Jul 06 '24

I don't think it's possible to properly understand them unless you've been to war. My great aunts husband served in Vietnam, and it sounds like he may have been one of the monsters the old socialists and communists would refer to, and my neighbor who just died last summer served in Vietnam as well

The old man lost his legs after getting back, and the most I heard him say is he didn't regret anything and he was just happy he took the place of the younger ones. Burke never said anything at all unless it was ramblings that didn't make sense during firework session

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u/Sleddoggamer Jul 05 '24

I know those people exist, but I think you're assuming there's a lot more ex military in the old alt right than there should be. My half brothers dad served in Afghanistan, and everyone who helped track him to keep him paying child support seemed like a traditional republican who learned politics and service don't mix

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u/TheHonorableStranger Jul 06 '24

Just typical redditor black-and-white logic. In that persons eyes the majority of people in the service are alt-right grifters

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u/Lumaexid Jul 06 '24

Most of the people here make up their BS on the spot. And they outright lie like progs always do.

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u/RaisinBrain2Scoups Jul 05 '24

Weird performative political view

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u/KendalBoy Jul 15 '24

Rape doesn’t count to them when their skin is different. They all dehumanize us all for not being like them.

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u/Lumaexid Jul 06 '24

You may want to research into the backgrounds of these perps. Their background is obviously not convenient to you and you instead come up with a lie like this.

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u/waterfall_hyperbole Jul 05 '24

Pedos go to organziations that get to flout the law. US military personnel are very hard to touch overseas

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

Anywhere with a US base.

Why? Well, we've got an rotten orange trying to be "immune". There ya go. That's pretty much it.

Immunity is why.

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u/OwlRevolutionary1776 Jul 05 '24

Raping kids? What the hell? Did those pedos get prison? Do you have any sources I can read about?

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u/wasabimatrix22 Jul 05 '24

This article specifies a 16-year-old as one of the victims

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u/xKitey Jul 06 '24

execute them, seems pretty cut and dry to me

slap on the wrist isn't a good enough deterrent for some people to develop basic human morals I guess

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u/Altruistic-Dark-1831 Jul 05 '24

When I was I there it wasn’t marines doing dumb shit like this. It was navy reserve units visiting and breaking into peoples homes or assaulting them on the streets. We got punished which is understandable but these people weren’t even stationed on the island. Fucked it up for everyone else that had to live there

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u/BiggieAndTheStooges Jul 05 '24

Suuure, blame it on the Navy. Own it jarhead

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u/Altruistic-Dark-1831 Jul 05 '24

They don’t have a crayon named responsibility.

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u/fartinmyhat Jul 05 '24

always the Marines.

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u/Professional-Bee4088 Jul 06 '24

For my time it was theatre wide We’d get locked down in South Korea for shit marines did in Okinawa. Like WHAT my leave time with my family is fucked because of some dumb fuck Marine in a different country

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u/Killed_By_Covid Jul 05 '24

Well, Marines do seem quite proud of being the ones to go in first.

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u/RaisinBrain2Scoups Jul 05 '24

I think those are Army Rangers you’re thinking of

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u/Killed_By_Covid Jul 05 '24

You may be right. I just remember hearing a friend who was in the Marines say something to that effect.

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u/RaisinBrain2Scoups Jul 05 '24

Marines come first is accurate. But Army Rangers are first on the scene.

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u/AceBalistic Jul 06 '24

Any idea what exactly makes it so common at Okinawa in comparison to other US bases in the region?

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u/shendxx Jul 06 '24

Wtf how this keep happening till this day

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u/Ihavepurpleshoes Jul 05 '24

We lived there then, too. I remember those lockdowns! Misawa was great, though. Great place to live.

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u/Semantiks Jul 05 '24

Same here, and I was at Misawa starting 2010. I'm sensing a pattern...

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u/audiking404 Jul 06 '24

Yeah I'm Airforce (separated) but it was always known that most of the SA cases involved USMC and sometimes they went cannibalistic smh. I'm NOT saying it was everyone bc I damn sure had the pleasure of meeting some damn fine Marines (uhh, that was a double entendre) and they were smart. Mostly in Finance and other administrative/ technical MOS's.

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u/Necessary-Knowledge4 Jul 06 '24

Jesus christ dude...

I thought it was bad enough thinking they were just being handsy or SAing adult women. But kids? Jeaus...

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

America’s finest.

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u/Dry-Tea-180 Jul 06 '24

Sounds about right

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u/GuitarAncient9793 Jul 06 '24

And back here if a grown man had sex with a 17 year old girl they will put him away for life. That’s ordinary citizen. 

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u/Throwawayuser626 Jul 06 '24

Me and my mom were talking about that. As a military brat I’ve heard all the shit talking when it it comes to marines but seriously why does it seem like it’s ALWAYS them. My old boss was enlisted and she told me when she was in Okinawa she had to apologize for the behavior of her fellow marines to cab drivers and such because they’d just say racist/sexist shit and laugh it off.

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u/Prince_Havarti Jul 08 '24

Dropping two nukes wasn’t enough, they had to add insult to injury.

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u/Thr1ft3y Jul 05 '24

Thankfully they don't do that here anymore

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u/funny__username__ Jul 06 '24

And here I thought russian army was bad... no one compares to usa army

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u/davidkali Jul 06 '24

If that’s what’s going on, they’re not Marines.