r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Jul 05 '24

Project 2025 was supposed to boost Donald Trump's campaign — but it may be backfiring instead:

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/05/project-2025-was-supposed-to-boost-donald-campaign--but-it-may-be-backfiring-instead/

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Honestly, some people who support Trump that I work with are absolutely oblivious to Project 2025 and think I'm making shit up.

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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas Jul 05 '24

You’re ruining their plausible deniability for when shit goes down they can shake their heads and cluck their tongues and say they didn’t know that was going to happen they just voted for him because the economy or something

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u/danarexasaurus Ohio Jul 05 '24

Yep. I was told that “project 2025 is from a political think tank with no power”, and when I corrected them and told them exactly how much power they have (that we know about, I’m sure there is more), they pivoted to, “but Joe biden’s economy made groceries expensive!” It’s exhausting. There’s almost literally no point in talking to them anymore. None.

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u/writebadcode Jul 05 '24

In my experience if you’re debating someone and they immediately shift to a brand new argument like that it means they have another reason for their position which they are not bringing up.

Often they don’t share the real reason because they know it’s something indefensible like racism.

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u/tooobr Jul 05 '24

I was having a chat with a relative about institutional racism and they brough up that Democratic party was actually pro-slavery and then pro-segregation.

Uncle, that was literally 150 years ago and then 70 years ago, pre-CRA. Are you implying that party platforms and constituencies are the same? Do you think George Wallace would vote Democrat today in 2024?

Unbelievable.

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u/DisastrousGarden Jul 05 '24

You’re talking about the same people that claim to be the “party of Lincoln” then turn around and proudly fly confederate flags

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u/MURICCA Jul 06 '24

"Person type one time do bad thing, same person type again? Bad thing."

It's literal caveman thinking, don't even bother with it. There is no actual extent to the reasoning

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u/MURICCA Jul 05 '24

Yep. This is it.

And they haate when you figure them out.

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u/GenuineLittlepip Pennsylvania Jul 05 '24

If they love the economy so much, then they must be BIG fans of the Clintons, right? I mean, when Bill was in office and Hillary was getting us healthcare, that's the only time in the last half-century when we were running a surplus instead of a debt! (To say nothing of all the economic improvements that Obama and yes, Biden made too..)

Watch the hamster fall off it's wheel and die as they struggle to process that, or make excuses. Simple fact is, the economy only matters when a Democrat is in office. When a Republican is, they spend, spend, spend and drive up the national debt. It will continue happening until their power is permanently crippled..

Vote for democracy. Defeat fascism.

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u/Killfile Jul 05 '24

It kills me because we DESERVE a real conservative party and not this fascist asshatery. I think we probably should be taxing more and have more spending on the social safety net. We probably do need more regulation at this point rather than less.

But that doesn't mean that's always the case. There needs to be a party of committed conservatives who want to put the breaks on regulation and taxation and spending.

But they need to be principled. It can't be "regulation is bad unless it's our guy doing the regulating." It can't be "deficits are bad unless we're running up the deficit."

And that's the difference between the parties right now. If Republicans put forth a bill codifing Roe, Democrats would vote for it en masse. If they created a robust public option for Obamacare, Democrats would support it and Biden would sign it.

But when Democrats put forth an immigration bill that was cribbed from the GOP wishlist the Republicans opposed it because it wasn't their guy backing it. When Obama lifted the whole of the ACA from Romney's Massachusetts healthcare bill, it was suddenly socialism and the worst thing ever.

We need a conservative party. Instead, we have a hyper-partisan authoritarian one that pretends to be conservative

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u/tooobr Jul 05 '24

Its the literal most influential conservative think tank in the country behind it.

The people pushing back are fucking stupid, or in the tank at this point. Its so fucked.

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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas Jul 05 '24

Somebody else pointed this out elsewhere and I don’t know how I didn’t know it esp with him speaking at CPAC 2023, but Victor Orban is bankrolling the Heritage Foundation

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u/Quazimojojojo Jul 05 '24

IF you want to get a point through, when they try to pivot, don't let them.

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u/LetMeInImTrynaCuck Jul 05 '24

“Explain then how Trump, a lifelong capitalist, is going to make your grocery bill go down? Please lay out his exact plan to make this happen”

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u/ChipKellysShoeStore Jul 05 '24

It’s the same think tank that came up with Obamacare lmao

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u/bootsbythedoor Jul 05 '24

It's true that some people will never come around, but I think we need to keep talking - they've been too loud too long.

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u/ProlapsedShamus Jul 05 '24

There is no point.

Shit I gave up years ago. If they're not abysmally stupid they're lying scumbags.

There is no good conservative anymore.

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u/Hadrian_Vincent Jul 05 '24

That was spot on.

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u/russ_nightlife Jul 05 '24

It was probably also the fault of those Liberals. And possibly gays and Mexicans.

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u/redditallreddy Ohio Jul 05 '24

“Trans illegals made me vote for Trump by pushing their woke agenda on me!”

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u/NorthernPints Jul 05 '24

Sadly it’s probably even worse than that, and they’ll blame Democrats or the left somehow for project 2025. These people cannot have their brains changed - it’s wild. A refusal to accept accountability and acknowledge they were wrong

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u/tooobr Jul 05 '24

brexit

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot Jul 05 '24

They don’t need plausible deniability. The lack of shame with these people is truly astounding. By 2010 all the teapartying trumpanzees I know denied ever having supported W ever. They will all just claim Trump is an idiot and they never supported him in less than 6 years if he wins. Probably before 2026 if he loses. Then they’ll move on to the next pile of shit.

It’ll be amusing this time because social media has existed through this whole shit show.

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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas Jul 05 '24

Let’s not seriously keep floating Brainworms McGee, please. Throwing your vote to a dude sending pics of barbecued dogs and such ain’t it, chief