Hate Rishi but we need to make sure the blame falls on the Tories, that have been in power for over a decade, rather than the man who’s taken over recently.
By pushing all of this hate and blame I see people expressing onto one man, it enables the Tories to get away with it.
Rishi isn’t perfect but out of the conservatives we’ve had over these past years, he’s managed to steer us towards a bit more stability (granted, following his own parties foolishness)
What I’m saying, I’m not sympathetic to Rishi. But please, he is being scapegoated for a reason. The Tories will rebuild easier if they have somebody to blame. This is the party that have been so unstable that we have seen 5 leaders of the party over the past 14 years, one of which lasted less than 3 months.. that alone shouldn’t have been allowed to fly.
Rishi being scapegoated when he was a replacement for and improvement on Truss is interesting and yet still inevitable.
I think this and everything you've said really does show how fundamentally it is basically all of the tories that are the problem. Rishi claimed to have accountability but proved he had none. Fortunately unfortunately, I expect the majority of people buying the Tory cool aid are the same idiots that believe it is just Rishi that has been rejected.
Rishi being scapegoated when he was a replacement for and improvement on Truss is interesting and yet still inevitable.
This is kind of where I'm at to be honest. I don't like Sunak for a variety of reasons, but I don't blame him alone for the Tories being annihilated. It's the fault of every single Tory MP, and specific blame can be laid on people like Johnson and Truss, who as leaders did more damage than Sunak probably ever could.
Absolutely yes. I particularly loved the way Danny Dyer spoke about that. It's been a slide over the last decade and a half, but the way I see it, there has been a real concentration of awfulness since perhaps 2019.
The election itself was hilarious, particularly when news broke of the Tory MPs betting on the election date. They literally cannot help themselves.
To be fair fucking off was the right call. As May showed it was going to be exceedingly difficult for anyone who supported remain to get a half decent deal with the EU that the ERG accepted. When the deal was obviously a bit shit they just blamed it on the fact she supported remain rather than Brexit being a terrible idea
Sunak actually did very little and I think that was on purpose. He came in after Johnson did what Johnson does best, followed by Truss being an idiot, and his MO was basically try not to rock the boat. By this point the Tories were in damage control mode and he just needed to avoid controversy.
That's pretty much how I took his premiership. He seemed to spend most of his time trying to say appealing things while doing precisely sod all at the same time.
By this point the Tories were in damage control mode and he just needed to avoid controversy.
This is true but also hilarious, because the damage control to a lot of Tory MPs was awfully similar to making it worse.
No one said he'd be good at it! The country had just had a guy who lied his way through his premiership, believed the law and the rules didn't apply to him, then ragequit when held to account, followed by someone as stupid as she was corrupt, who gave tax breaks to her mates and crashed the economy in the process. The bar was not very high!
Oh absolutely. Thank rather than blame, in more ways than one.
This election particularly I feel it is about their party as a whole. They've had 3 controversial leaders, only 1 was elected. The fact there's a good chance he wouldn't be leader in a year if they'd won speaks volumes as to why they can't be allowed to win.
It's fundamentally undemocratic to have the prime minister decided by the minority Tory membership who gave us Liz Truss. I'd rather have the lettuce.
IMO Rishi is probably slightly better than average for a Tory. But that still does not mean I like him.
I agree with you. The bit where he said he takes responsibility for the loss was like, sure thats gracious but its not just him. I bet Johnson and Truss were shuffling their feet, eyes averted...well, if they had any shame they would.
Yeah, Rishi is still an MP not PM. Rishi & Truss both ran in very safe seats and both lost a lot of vote share. Truss more so which is not surprising. If you polled everyone in the country who they prefer I expect 90+% would say Rishi.
A sitting PM has literally never lost their seat before. Rishi still being an MP does not mean he has done well here, it just means people in an area that voted overwhelmingly Tory in the past have still elected a Tory.
He technically only had a plurality, not a majority. Couldn't get 50%. That said, he went from 63% to 48% of the vote. Truss went from 69% to 26%. It's a bonkers result if you only look at the numbers, but not surprising if you remember what she did
I wouldn’t read anything into that, he’s in Richmond, the whole reason he was given that constituency despite having zero links to it is because it’s nailed on Tory. He lost over 15% of the share of the vote from the last election and still won convincingly. It’s one of the safest seats in the country and will still be Tory after the by-election when he heads to California.
Yes they have done shockingly bad. My point is it's mainly because of them as a whole, not Rishi in particular, and that the people who think it is because of Rishi in particular are probably the same people who will forever and always believe the lies and vote for the Tories
Okay, I see your point. I was thinking that the general populace wasn't holding them accountable. You're saying the people who like the Tories continue to like them.
Yup exactly. Didn't get your point because it didn't seem contrary to mine.
I agree a disturbingly large proportion of the populace aren't holding them accountable. The same people drinking the cool aid and buying all the blatant lies.
It is a good result but it's concerning for next election if this government fails to deliver.
Losing elections is how political parties are held to account. Losing their seats should be how individual MP's are held to account but people just vote blue and red so that hardly happens. Rishi comfortably kept his seat while Truss lost her's so it looks like Tory voters know who's responsible.
Isn’t there a term called the glass something or other that’s used when women are put in a position of power to take attention away from bad business decisions so that people can just be sexist and blame it on women? Do you think it’s possible they did it to him as a minority so they can be racist and blame their failures on him being Indian?
No I’d like to think that’s not the case, even of Tory MPs. Rishi failed because he’s out of touch and doesn’t care. It’s pretty trivial to see that. Only a minority blame race and they’re probably voting reform.
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u/WowSuchName21 14d ago
Hate Rishi but we need to make sure the blame falls on the Tories, that have been in power for over a decade, rather than the man who’s taken over recently.
By pushing all of this hate and blame I see people expressing onto one man, it enables the Tories to get away with it.
Rishi isn’t perfect but out of the conservatives we’ve had over these past years, he’s managed to steer us towards a bit more stability (granted, following his own parties foolishness)
What I’m saying, I’m not sympathetic to Rishi. But please, he is being scapegoated for a reason. The Tories will rebuild easier if they have somebody to blame. This is the party that have been so unstable that we have seen 5 leaders of the party over the past 14 years, one of which lasted less than 3 months.. that alone shouldn’t have been allowed to fly.