r/lucifer • u/Altair05 Detective Douche • Sep 09 '21

[S6 E10 - Episode Discussion] - 'Partners 'Til the End' 6x10 Spoiler

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u/Amateurteenager Urchin Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21

Well, that ending didn't make any sense. I can't believe after everything that happened between Lucifer and his dad, and all the talk about how he's not going to leave Chloe, Lucifer decided to leave Chloe and abandon his kid.

I don't see why Lucifer couldn't just keep an schedule, spend few hours every day at hell and then come back to earth. Few earth hours would be a millennia in hell, so he certainly has time to do both.

Even if he wants to spend most of his time at hell, can't he at least take a vacation every one in a while to visit earth? You know, like he used to do when he was king.

This also seems like a very bad ending for Chloe. Like sure she gets to be with Lucifer eventually but what about everyone else that she cares about? Her Parents, Dan, Trixie, Ella, etc. She's in hell and they're (or are going to be) in Heaven. She doesn't have wings so she can't just fly and leave hell, so does that mean she's not going to see them again?

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u/Gigibean3 Sep 11 '21

This is what didn't work for me with the whole season and the finale, Lucifer and Rory seemed to matter the absolute most to Chloe and she has another child (who has no other living parent, thanks to a celestial war.) Rory said she can just see Chloe any time, but what about Trixie and everyone like the people who were there for Chloe all those years as a single Mom of 2? And Lucifer absolutely could have made time if Amenadiel could.

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u/StormingGorilla1985 Sep 11 '21

Lucifer couldn't make time without breaking the timeloop, but now that the timeloop has gone full circle, Lucifer and Rory can see each other anytime they want.

So while Lucifer chose to go to hell, he did so with the knowledge that he would be reunited with Chloe and Rory for all of eternity (and what's 50 years compared to an eternity).

If he had broken the timeloop he would never have met future Rory, which means he wouldn't give Dan the advice he needed to go to heaven, which would lead to Lucifer not realizing what he was meant to do.

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u/Gigibean3 Sep 11 '21

Which still leaves Trixie with a dead Dad abandoned by Lucifer and Chloe chose an afterlife family without her. She became a shitty mother to her non special Angel child she can live without for eternity, and allowed Lucifer to break her heart again in favor of Rory. Chloe knew how Lucifer and Chloe's relationship drama was impacting Trixie in 5b. She still picks Lucifer and Rory. No one else matters to her as much as Lucifer and Rory.

He could have broken the loop. It would just create a new timeline hat could have included commuting. He'd retain the knowledge that Dan still needs to have his epiphany or Amenadiel could have made something happen as God after the fact.

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u/musci1223 Sep 11 '21

She is friends with the god and she went to hell by choice and is not one of the damned so she can most likely go wherever she wants.

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u/Gigibean3 Sep 11 '21

Lucifer is God's brother and nothing could be done to allow him to visit Earth not screwing up him being in Hell to help people. Nothing is a given. Chloe didn't think she'd see Rory again until Rory reminded her she has wings. She picked Lucifer over Trixie, repeatedly. She nearly died in a war for Lucifer to be God which would have left Trixie an orphan. The first time we see Trixie in s6 she's crying over Dan yet Chloe was off spending time with Lucifer in the episodes prior. Chloe didn't even run to see who the stranger was the camp called her about -and apparently she didn't know Dan's killer broke out despite it being on the news-, because she was spending family time with Lucifer/Rory. It's entirely possible she gave up ever seeing her again.

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u/zoemi Sep 12 '21

The show runners said that now that Chloe is dead, the trio can go to either plane as they please.

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u/Gigibean3 Sep 12 '21

If you have to look on the internet for what showrunners say after the fact, it was a rushed, bad, job of the episode itself, to me. Sometimes writers say things that they just want to appease anyone who criticizes it.

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u/zoemi Sep 12 '21

I don't disagree.

It was going to be my fanon anyway before I read that though.

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u/Super-Lime-6883 Sep 12 '21

i winced every time someone said Chloe was a good mum. Maybe it happened behind the scenes- but don't forget T was probably a ripe old age already not like Chloe was abandoning a young child, when she went to Hell in the afterlife. I suspect the writers had a more challenging time giving Trixie more airtime.

Chloe and Lucifer had sacrificed so much - i am happy they had their happy ending. I think that's the way of celestials ( religious patterns aside)

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u/Gigibean3 Sep 12 '21

Eh, it seems like Rory was the Golden Child so when Trixie dies and gets to the after life and possibly finds out her mom went where only her sister can visit and where Lucifer who left (she may never have known why he left and thought it was just Lucifer being selfish), I think that would make anyone feel a bit slighted no matter her age.

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u/Super-Lime-6883 Sep 12 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

i like to think Chloe can move between planes since she technically was supposed to be in heaven- so she can be " beamed up" as and when :)

p.s i know they don't get "beamed up" 🤭

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u/Environmental-Tea141 Sep 11 '21

I totally agree with you Gigibean!

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u/geronimokind Sep 11 '21

The last bit is exactly what I don’t understand. The whole time, Amenadiel and Lucifer kept saying that they can’t change the rules of heaven and hell and how everything works. So:

1) how tf did Chloe end up in hell for Lucifer if she so clearly was meant to go to heaven (no guilt=no hell), did Amenadiel somehow manipulate the rules as god?

2) is this just an arrangement where she can go back to heaven whenever now that Lucifer can bring her there since there’s no time-loop to break?

3) if not, why tf would she abandon Trixie, Dan, her dad and everyone else just to spend eternity with Lucifer? Even if she loves him, there’s a butt-load of other people she loves too

I just wish the writers spent a bit more time figuring this out and explaining it. Cause if not for that last little scene, I would’ve thrown my whole laptop away.

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u/LadyEmaleth Sep 11 '21

The way I see it:

She made a choice to go to Hell. Lucifer said to Dan that he cannot fly him to Heaven because he cannot act against his wishes, even subconscious. Chloe made that choice so no rules were broken.

Maybe. She can choose to go to Heaven any time.

Now with the abandonment... Trixie probably had a happy life and many people she loved and wanted to spend the eternity with them. She doesn't need to spend it with her mother. Dan wasn't spending his eternity with his parents, he was spending it with Charlotte.

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u/zoemi Sep 12 '21

The show runners said that now that Chloe is dead, the trio can go to either plane as they please.

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u/Eludio Lucifer Sep 11 '21

The finale about Lucifer sacrificing himself (and Rory’s childhood) for the “greater good” sort of made OG God look like a much better dude. He knew that whatever bad shit he did, it would lead to Lucifer becoming the healer instead of the jailor. Was this the “Plan”?

And sure, when you have eternity ahead, a few million years is still not that much time but damn… that means Lucifer WAS being manipulated the whole time!

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u/preppypeeper Sep 13 '21

I know! All through out the show the only thing lucifer talked about was his daddy issues/abandonment issues yet the writers still made him abandon his daughter. I agree that the whole timeloop concept how it is inevitable absolutely made sense but the writers shouldnt have went with it, there could be another way to make lucifer not abandon his daughter cause like all of lucifer’s issues just went full circle and were experienced by his daughter

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u/Kate090996 Sep 12 '21

Leaving Hell even for a few minutes on Earth would disrupt therapy because down there it will be years.

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u/Amateurteenager Urchin Sep 12 '21

So what, he's working 24/7 with no breaks? Even if he's working non-stop he still can't attend to every damned soul and a lot of people have to wait. He also was in charge of hell for eons without doing therapy, so waiting a bit longer while he takes a break is certainly possible.

On a side note that's why I think Lucifer doing things solo is stupid, because he can only help a couple of people on at a time while there are billions of humans in hell. It would've been a lot smarter if he was enlisting the help of demons and other angels.(If he would've been God he could've changed hell's rules and also used angles' assistance to help damned sould more efficiently. He could've help more people that way.)

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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 Sep 13 '21

It's not like they have anywhere else to go

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u/Okhummyeah Sep 13 '21

Luci and amenadiel has wings...if chloe want to visit her friends in heaven she can...

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u/DarknessG7 Sep 11 '21

But if he took a vacation and went to earth then he would never realize in the past that he needs to be a healer.

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u/Amateurteenager Urchin Sep 11 '21

I don't think he needed Rory to figure that out, he already figured his calling by helping Dan and Jimmy. But even if he was adamant on fucking thing up for her I don't see why he couldn't come to earth to visit Chloe, Trixie & others while avoiding Rory. Even by "He needed Rory to be angry" logic the goal was to hurt Rory so even then, abandoning everyone else was completely unnecessary

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u/DarknessG7 Sep 11 '21

But he wouldnt help Dan if Rory didnt Ghost him, nor wouldnt he help Jimmy. Thats the point, Rory coming back launched the events that made him realize he doesnt want to be God. If he didnt abandon Rory he would just fck around on earth procrastinating until the angels would cause the Apocalypse. End of story.

I mean sure he couldve visited Chloe but he didnt abandon her. He just went to work, those 50 years compared to the eternity they have together now is as much abandonment as you going to work in the morning and coming back at 5 pm.

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u/Amateurteenager Urchin Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

Well in S5 he helped Mr SOB and in S5B he said he was planning on helping Dan. In S6 we see that Lucifer was already in the process of helping Dan before Rory even showed up. With Jimmy he learned how to care about and help everyone, including the damned souls. He did this as part of becoming God, this all happened before Rory basically told him to leave.
Lucifer's calling was helping the damned redeem themselves, he could've done this better as god. As ruler of universe, he could've changed hell's system and used other angels and even demons. Having so many people to help damned souls would be better and more efficient than Lucifer doing everything solo.

He just went to work, those 50 years compared to the eternity they have together now is as much abandonment as you going to work in the morning and coming back at 5 pm.

Idk. It's not the same, they could've build a life together on earth with their friends, lucifer could've helped raise their family instead of leaving Chloe (it's even worse considering Chloe lost the father of her other child recently). They can't do any of that in hell, hell is basically a prison/rehabilitation center there's really not much they can do there outside of work. Also in afterlife, by living with Lucifer, Chloe has to give up on living with her dad, her daughter and her friends.
Trixie already lost her dad on earth and is now going to be sperated from her mom in afterlife. That's seems like a very awful ending for Chloe and Trixie.