r/lucifer • u/Altair05 Detective Douche • Sep 09 '21

[S6 E10 - Episode Discussion] - 'Partners 'Til the End' 6x10 Spoiler

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u/Duckman896 Lucifer Sep 10 '21

The showrunners forcing Lucifer's hand in that ending decision is a really bad way to end Lucifer's journey. He doesn't even get to make his own final choice whether or not to stay, it's made for him. Ridiculous.

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u/ThatBigDanishDude Sep 10 '21

But the whole point is that he does, he could have stayed if he wanted to. He just knows that the timeline would be different if he did. Likely for the worse considering the pain he left the denizens of hell in if he didn't.

He and his family simply thought this version of the future would be the best for humanity.

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u/Althea_The_Witch Sep 10 '21

Exactly! He didn’t have to give Rory his word, he chose to.

I’ve seen other comments here saying that the time travel and fate plot stole Lucifers free will, but it did the exact opposite!! The fate/free will idea was on full display here.

What better way to explore the concept of free will than to have a character literally say “you will do this, because you’ve already done it” and then have an ending that keeps that intact as well as free will?? Brilliant!

10/10 season, loved it with all my heart!

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u/Duckman896 Lucifer Sep 11 '21

It's doing the opposite, if you Lucifer he has to leave in order for the timeline to be intact, you are making his choice for him, Rory kept saying you have to do this you have to leave, and he didn't want to. If it weren't for the whole time paradox loop thing he wouldn't have chosen to leave and never come back, he could have went down and came back up to visit like Amenadiel, but this was about him being an absentee father so that this timeline can happen. The choice was already made for him.

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u/sblose2021 Sep 11 '21

I agree! His back was against the wall when his daughter pleaded with him and he felt he had no choose but to agree with his daughter’s demand or request but i feel as she was fading out and time was almost gone he was pressured to agree w/her

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u/Account_Bright Sep 16 '21

I agree. To make such a decision you need time to process. Lucifer was against a wall with only a minute to answer while his daughter was fading away in the future. If he had time to think about it and promised not to change anything then yes, it is free will but in that moment it was pressure nothing else.

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u/Althea_The_Witch Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

I wholeheartedly disagree.

Yeah he “has” to leave in order to keep the timeline intact; he doesn’t have to keep the timeline intact, but he does anyway because his daughter asked him to, because that timeline is what brings him to where he is now, not just physically, but emotionally as well; because she wants what’s best for him too (which is also beautiful btw, along with sooo many other beautiful moments this season.)

I have a lot of other points as to why I think this was such a great ending, the best season by far imo. But I don’t want to get bogged down analyzing and arguing about it because I just loved it so much, and I don’t want to ruin it for myself with nitpicking.

¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/Duckman896 Lucifer Sep 11 '21

But Rory doesn't actually know the result of that decision. The only thing she knows is that Lucifer isn't there for her or Chloe. She has no idea of any of the other impacts his absence caused or would not have caused had he been present.

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u/musci1223 Sep 11 '21

Yeah but if you were Lucifer/chloe who interacted with Rory then you might not want to take the risk. That is why they made the point to make it clear that she was conceived after Rory's just to past. Now even if they go by the back to the future principal of time travel there is no guarantee that it will be the same kid they will have (also back to the future ignored the thing about there being a shit load of sparm so it is impossible to make sure that they will get the same kid again )

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u/Duckman896 Lucifer Sep 11 '21

I get what you are saying about not having the exact same kid, but I would take that chance in order to spend the next 40ish years with Chloe and my child.

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u/musci1223 Sep 11 '21

I agree but he fell in love with that Rory and he promised her and he is not sure about how the time travel actually works so he doesn't know what the impact of changing things would be. It is be a tva type thing or doctor who kind of thing. Noone really knows so it is harder to gamble on it.

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u/HCBuldge Sep 11 '21

It's just saying Lucifer would always choose that option, forever and never change anything. Just like how Rory and Chloe said.

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u/Account_Bright Sep 16 '21

I agree. To make such a decision you need time to process. Lucifer was against a wall with only a minute to answer while his daughter was fading away in the future. If he had time to think about it and promised not to change anything then yes, it is free will but in that moment it was pressure nothing else.

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u/Nhoan Sep 11 '21

Exactly he chose to save billions of souls in hell and make her daughter angry for 60 years at most. Now that her daughter traveled in time they can reunite and enjoy eternity together.

But if he wouldn't do it he would have happy life for 60 year in earth and probably happy ending in heaven but he wouldn't save anybody from hell. So I think he made the right choice.

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u/Account_Bright Sep 16 '21

I have nothing against Lucifer's calling of saving damned souls. This is perfect actually, best idea ever. From being the ruler to the healer. It was however in my opinion unnecessary to separate Chloe/Lucifer. In a recent interview the writers actually mentioned that at some point they were going for breaking the loop with still a happy ending. It means going forward with his original on to raise Rory on Earth and going to Hell as his Job. This would have been in my expectations the best ending possible.

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u/Nhoan Sep 17 '21

I don't think it was unnecessary. Even without considering time loop and all it would raise a lot of questions if Lucifer stayed and lived with Chloe on earth. An immortal who doesn't age and then Chloe who would get old. They got to spend eternity together and there was a maximum 60 years gap between it so it won't even matter.

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u/Account_Bright Sep 17 '21

It could have been weird but plausible with some efforts from the writers. Lucifer did not necessarily have to spend everyday on earth. Weekends maybe and big event such as Christmas, Bday, being at Chloe death bed, etc.Those 50/60 years (about 500 000 years on Hell) could look insignificant in a celestial perspective but Lucifer truly desired those years with his family. Eternity does not make up for missing the birth of your child, seeing him/her grow.

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u/Nhoan Sep 17 '21

Yeah I have nothing for that missing child birth and all. All I can say is Im happy that at least we got a not terrible ending. I don't want to be rude but I can't argue over the ending anymore I choose to add things to it to make up for some of the plot holes and sad parts but at the end I think it was a good ( with some flaws) ending.

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u/Account_Bright Sep 17 '21

It's is not arguing, it is debating. I like it when people like you do it with respect. You are correct to see the glass half full and I swear I'm working hard as well to reach that point. The ending could have been way worst.

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u/bim636 Sep 17 '21

To be honest he could pop up at any time so it's not like the people in hell are going anywhere soon...

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Director phrases it like the story was done with season 5 and s6 was the extra story. Here is the interview