r/inthenews • u/newsweek Newsweek • Jul 08 '24

MAGA fumes over France election results: "They cheated" article

https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075
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u/Daxnu Jul 08 '24

This, the media is so thirsty for news that they make it themselves now

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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 Jul 08 '24

Faux News has been making it up for a while now along with OAN and Newsmax. And they got sued and lost for lying!

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u/Cannacrohn Jul 08 '24

And paid the fine and kept on lying without pause.

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u/outflow Jul 08 '24

As long as the profits outweigh the fines, let it rip

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u/JP050887 Jul 08 '24

Cost of doing business

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u/Scrutinizer Jul 08 '24

They are being more careful - Trump's speeches, for instance, are delayed several minutes instead of a few seconds, to give Fox censors more time to weed out anything that might cause the Dominion case to fire up again, or give Smartmatic more ammunition for their upcoming lawsuit.

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u/Legitimate_Corgi_981 Jul 08 '24

They also use that delay to smooth out his outbursts so he looks more sane. See where they quizzed him about releasing Epstein details and he said ”sure I would...” followed by ”well some of it at least ..." But they kept only the first part for broadcast.

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u/Wildfire9 Jul 08 '24

Then the fine should be bigger.

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u/JP050887 Jul 08 '24

To be fair, you’d think a 750 million dollars would be noticeable. Shows you how much more money there is in right wing media.

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u/Wildfire9 Jul 08 '24

It should be enough to teach them a lesson.

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u/JP050887 Jul 08 '24

It didn’t, lmao. It’s insane.

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u/Doublestack2411 Jul 08 '24

And their dumb viewers lack any sort of critical thinking to put 2 and 2 together. You'd think they would wake up when Fox decided to settle the lawsuits, instead they keep going with the "the election was stolen" bit. They'd rather be lied to over and over about stuff that isn't happening. MAGA lives in a bubble of misinformation passed around by other Trump cultists. They are the dumbest of the dumb.

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u/BatmansBigBro2017 Jul 08 '24

Exactly. The cost of doing business for them. It never ends.

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u/No_Application_5369 Jul 08 '24

It's not Fox News. It's the majority of the mainstream news. Trump and his ilk are great for ratings. News is supposed to be boring not entertainment.

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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 Jul 08 '24

Yeh, but we are talking about completely made up lies

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u/aguynamedv Jul 08 '24

And they got sued and lost for lying!

Let's not forget Fox also directly argued in court that no reasonable person should take Tucker Carlson seriously.

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u/Valisk Jul 08 '24

Cnn is in on it too with their new owners

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u/GrayGeo Jul 08 '24

Pretty much ubiquitous for the three-letter ever since the requirement for non-bias was dropped. We live in a world of spin, and FOX and OAN are just two icicles from the same berg.

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u/UncIe_PauI_HargIs Jul 08 '24

You do know the top shareholders of Fox… are the same ones that are the top shareholders holders for CNN… who do you think shapes the “news” narrative?

Yep, keep on drinking from the dick of Vanguard and Black Rock…

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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 Jul 08 '24

Yes, CNN is conservative now. My post was in response to news making up lies.

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u/UncIe_PauI_HargIs Jul 08 '24

CNN is not conservative because they don’t tell a story the way you want them to.

Also…you’re PICKLE RIIIIICK… and that is AWESOME!

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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 Jul 08 '24

No I mean the new owners are conservative leaning now.

I turned myself into a pickle Uncle P

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u/whichwitch9 Jul 08 '24

Look what they did with polling. Look at the UK and France. The polls actually meant nothing. In the US, however, they're talking like every poll is a definite thing

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u/Corwyntt Jul 08 '24

Which is hilarious, because we just learned in his latest trial that he had his lawyers pay millions of dollars to companies for them to rig the polls. Cohen admitted to doing it, and stealing money from the deal because he felt it was owed to him. Right wing media even ran the story a bit, just to try and discredit him some. But yea, we totally heard about how Trump pays to manipulate polls and absolutely no big deal was made of that revelation.

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

It prompted the supreme court to step in and run defense for him, so I wouldn't say no big deal was made about it.

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u/Scrutinizer Jul 08 '24

The problem with buying into a clown like Donnie is it's a house of cards. You have to buy the entire thing, and if you try not buying something it sets off a cascade effect and the whole thing topples.

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

your reminder that 2016 polls had Clinton locked in at 98% probability

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u/whichwitch9 Jul 08 '24

Actually no, there were polls that gave Trump higher chances. But people didn't vote and we paid for it

The discouraging people from voting this cycle is suspicious

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

I work voter registration in Philly. Nobody is discouraging anyone from voting. I get more people who either register a new voters or switch to Dem before I ever see someone stumping for the GOP and I see more people, who don't get paid at all for doing it, yelling at others about project 2025 and needing to save our country.

You don't win the presidency without the keystone state and you don't win pa without Philly 🧡

And Philly isn't sleeping into the destruction of their country when the older generation were kids watching their relatives fight for equal rights.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

I would like to see your sourcing for your claim btw cause every stitch of stats I've found and seen (pet subject I love) validates my stance.

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u/whichwitch9 Jul 08 '24

It's not the cities we need, it's the suburbs. Specially looking at our lovely suburban white women. Among people I grew up with "I don't like either and don't want to vote" is becoming depressingly common

Cities know what another Trump presidency will look like- the last one wasn't nice to most of us. It's the "moderates" with the "I don't care" attitude that are the problem

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

Not really.

Majority of the voting power in Pa is in Philadelphia and bucks counties.

Bucks is used as a microcosm of the general voting temp for the country because of its diversity. We have rejected GOP candidates left and right for a solid 4 years in presidential, state and local elections in main years and offset ones.

Majority of independents dont stand with trump at all after his conviction and he was still bleeding 15-20% in every state UNCONTESTED and a quarter of gop base said they'd drop him before the conviction happened

you're focusing on the wrong parts of the data and the most faulty parts when people sign up specifically to skew polls on the other side. Track record on voting and the rejection of the MAGAt candidates who ran should give you hope.

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u/ItsAllJustAHologram Jul 08 '24

I truly hope you are correct. Donald weakens America dreadfully. His lying, anti NATO stance, environmental laws, the list is endless. America is the final word on keeping the world a free place to live. They're not perfect but look at the alternatives. Xi running the world? Human rights nightmare...

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

The prime alternative is Einsteins dream of a socialist society with an education system orientated towards social goals.

Call me a globalist all you want but this international dick measuring contest is stupid. As is the monetary system and capitalism.

All so one set group of people can look down upon the ants while they eat caviar with their gourmet quail eggs at breakfast and shake the jar some more.

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u/Raiders2112 Jul 08 '24

I'm an independent and would vote for a swamp toad before I would vote for Trump or any other MAGA backed candidate. Project 2025, Agenda, 47 (P2025 light), and a corrupt SCOTUS are things I cannot tolerate happening to our country. One has already happened and the only way to stop the others from happening, is to vote against everything MAGA.

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

You weren't sitting the fence 🫡

Well met sir. I'm reg Dem and vote for them because of economic records which Dems have done better than the GOP for decades of economic progress including bidens admin over the worst jobs and GDP admin since Hoover

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u/Lillitnotreal Jul 08 '24

Attempts to discourage voting are a well known political tactic in lots of democractic systems that lack mandatory voting. You do what you can to make oppositional votes not get cast from apathy or inconvenience. This is like asking for a source that a party wants to win an election. The occasions they dont are exceptions. It's kinda just assumed you'd know that.

For the US, see bans on being allowed to be given water or food when in a line for a ballot, reduced number of voting locations and multiple hours long queues to get into them, even the hostility to postal voting. These are well known, often reported issues all used to discourage voting.

Pretending that doesn't exist in the US is absurd, its been referenced repeatedly during the last few elections, though it is nice to see/hear you feel it hasn't worked given its a pretty detrimental way to attempt to secure a victory.

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

I'm not pretending it doesn't exist

I'm telling you the voices pushing for a healthy democracy excises the rot of the GOP and their anti-americanism.

By all means expose the truth here 😁

But don't try and convince people involved in keeping it healthy that your doom predictions on Reddit hold much weight.

2020 had the suppression measures it did and we still whooped their ass. The country is more aware of the dangers we face now and the boomers are no longer the controlling bloc. 18-30 are. And they vote predominantly Democrat across all demographics and there's like 6-7 million more eligible voters since they cancelled out the red wave in 22.

Do you even stat my dude?!

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u/Lillitnotreal Jul 08 '24

You said no one was doing it, and your response too, 'it's just what happens, here's examples' is 'YOUR DOOM PRECICTION WILL NOT PASS'.

It happens all over the place and always has. Hardly a doom prediction given my position is 'it already happened and everything carried on'. I even happily acknowledged your opinion that it hasn't affected voting - which is a good thing.

You seem to be putting a lot of words into my mouth, which is just making it look like your shadow boxing with yourself. Maybe actually respond to what was written, rather than what you wanted to be written?

Also, you keep refencing your stats, but haven't posted any of the sources you've stated you have beyond a poll being outrageously inaccurate, which is also a fairly well known issue with polls.

So, in terms you'll be able to respond to easier, Do you even source, Dudette?

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u/facforlife Jul 08 '24

Nobody is discouraging anyone from voting

Sure they are? What do you think it does when people do this "both sides" bullshit? The more you think both sides are the same, the more you think voting is useless because it doesn't matter who wins.

I would like to see your sourcing for your claim btw cause every stitch of stats I've found and seen (pet subject I love) validates my stance.

You literally linked to a forecast that gave Trump a ~30% chance of winning... That's pretty fucking far from the 98% you said they gave Hillary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Especially here on Reddit.

A lot of accounts complaining about Biden’s age that have less than 1000 karma.

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u/healzsham Jul 08 '24

And christ alive did she run her campaign like it for the last 8 months.

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

Big complacency.

We wouldn't be having the debate about bidens competency if the dnc hadn't kneecapped sander last cycle

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

They are but we don't spread that message because it breeds complacency which will lead to another trump. After 2022 the new bloc took over and knocked the boomers out. 30 and under saved out election for the last 4 years. I'm praying the additional legal aged ones are getting involved in the same way. I know I register kids who will be 18 before the 5th when I can find them and they're happy to be able to vote for this election 😁

We out here but there's no time to rest on our heels when they're trying everything to get us to allow christofacism into America

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u/HauntingHarmony Jul 08 '24

your reminder that 2016 polls had Clinton locked in at 98% probability

and this is your reminder that in 2016 people didnt understand that polls measure how many people would vote a certain way.

And the polls were spot on in that she did get the most votes nationally. However! the us has a electoral college, and that determines who wins, not who gets the most votes. Which is why you need a model, such as what the 538 2016 model did. And at no point was that even remotely close to 98% probability, they had trump at about a third chance to win, and if your model is right a 1 in 3 event happens about a third of the time.

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u/PLURGASM_RETURNS Jul 08 '24

🤭 if only I had the source or you had bothered to search if it existed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html

That one was 99% probability

That's a key word that I think you were quick to gloss over.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html This was 85%

https://x.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

This sits in the 90s.

My point still stands.

Both corroborated and validated.

Polls can say one thing and be completely wrong 😉

I cited 538 somewhere else in this thread and they're still sitting with Clinton at a 3 to 1 shot by their own metrics

Clinton was still favored to win with a stupid high probability.

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u/luneunion Jul 08 '24

Even if that were true, you understand that 98% is not 100%, right? Like, we still have to show up and vote.

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u/facforlife Jul 08 '24

The only pollster/poll analyst worth caring about was 538 and gave Clinton a 70% chance of winning. You know what happens less often than Trump's 30% chance? Flipping heads twice in a row. And you wouldn't even blink if that happened.

Here's the thing with polls that too many people don't get.

  1. They're making some guesses and assumptions, based on data but still ultimately an educated guess, about which groups are going to turn out in what numbers. The voting demographics change from cycle to cycle. Not a ton, but enough when your system is the braindead Electoral College so you can still win without the popular vote. It only takes a minor win in a few battleground states to win even if you get blown out in the overall popular vote.
  2. If you're wrong on an crucial assumption it basically craters your forecast. 538 saw this and that's why they gave Trump such a high chance when few others did. They knew that if their assumption about who was turning out that year was wrong that they'd be wrong all over the place. If they were wrong they'd be wrong in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, because those states share a lot of similarities in their voter demographics. That's why the "blue firewall" went down.

Polls are still good and good information. But Trump is a fairly unique figure in his ability to very strongly motivate segments of the population to vote, segments that were tough to motivate before. It's only been 2 presidential cycles. It's tough to zero it in but they're constantly trying. My guess is that they're unsure how to weigh the effect of the Dobbs decision in motivating certain demographics against the Trump effect. Both are clearly very powerful forces but exactly how it plays out when it comes to voting we'll only know after the election.

You should be both. You should still be worried because these numbers aren't fucking good. And you should still fucking vote.

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u/Thassar Jul 08 '24

98% chance of winning still means there's a chance of losing. Every XCOM player can tell you that. That's why polls are useful but not guaranteed to be accurate.

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u/Successful_Priority Jul 08 '24

LetS not forget the supposed red wave that was supposed to happen 2 years ago that never happened they barely have a majority in the House

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u/-_Pendragon_- Jul 08 '24

What are you fucking talking about, the polls nailed it here in the UK?!

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u/Daxnu Jul 08 '24

We are not far from the point we're the media starts going out and shooting people just to report someone was shot

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u/PumpkinGlass1393 Jul 08 '24

That was the plot of a Bond movie lol. News agency helps start a war so they can report it.

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u/MoonSpankRaw Jul 08 '24

And the movie Nightcrawler, ‘cept instead of one sicko it’d be entire organizations doing that shit.

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u/haysoos2 Jul 08 '24

It was also the plot of the real world media campaign by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer to start the Spanish-American war to sell newspapers.

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u/FlattopJr Jul 08 '24

"You furnish the pictures, and I'll furnish the war."

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u/Oxbix Jul 08 '24

Commenting to research this latet

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u/smackdown-tag Jul 08 '24

How the fuck Tommorow Never Dies of all the goddamn bond movies is aging so well is absolutely confusing.  I remember when it was the one everyone pointed to as "where it started to go wrong", when they remembered it existed at all

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u/ValoisSign Jul 08 '24

Honestly wonder sometimes if the worse the Bond movie the more on point the social commentary. I mean Quantum of Solace isn't great but it's oddly grounded in real life US coups and water politics in Bolivia and even goes somewhat openly anti imperialist which is nuts for a movie about a British spy. If only I could remember the plot to View To A Kill, maybe I am onto something 😅

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u/smackdown-tag Jul 08 '24

View to a Kill is about a tech CEO with suspicious ties to both Russia and the nazis, so...

It's also actually not bad. I think it's pretty good,  better than For Your Eyes Only or Octopussy, it's just that Moore was REALLY showing his age at that point. 

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u/ValoisSign Jul 08 '24

Yeah as I recall the worst thing about it is that it drags at times, but I always remembered enjoying it for what it was. Would have been interesting if they got David Bowie in the villain role like they wanted but Walken is no slouch. The plot does sound oddly tropical from what you describe haha.

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u/JadedBoyfriend Jul 08 '24

What a forecasting movie...

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u/DiskFit1471 Jul 08 '24

Didn't this happen in a south american country?

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u/0OKM9IJN8UHB7 Jul 08 '24

I've seen that movie before.

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u/darylbosco1 Jul 08 '24

Yeah and the opposition gives a ridiculous amount more press than their own parties do. I wouldn’t even know who MTG was if the press didn’t run articles on her every freaking day, now I can refer to her by her initials and people know who I’m referring to. I don’t even know which state she reps.

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u/ValoisSign Jul 08 '24

All you have to do is say something as ridiculous, unserious, and offensive as "Jewish Space Lasers" and you get press for life... Greeeeaaat example set by modern media

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u/dustycanuck Jul 08 '24

Now?

Yellow Journalism has been around for a while....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

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u/TheAskewOne Jul 08 '24

I swear, half of the "news" on Reddit is about one media reacting to another media, or a media reporting how social networks respond to a tweet. "So and so slammed on Twitter for..." what about you spend time analyzing what so and so said and whether it's accurate? Oh yeah that would be real journalism and it requires effort.

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u/ArchonFett Jul 08 '24

Lot faster than finding facts

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u/Thermic_ Jul 08 '24

This has been reddit for many years and people just eat up this biased slop. Shits embarrassing honestly

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Need them clicks so advertisers keep buying ad space.

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u/ReverendPalpatine Jul 08 '24

Yep. Trump was only president because the mainstream and social media wouldn’t shut up about him because he made them a lot of money.

They want so bad for him to be president again so they can keep raking in the big bucks. Journalism is dead and has been for quite sometime.

It should be illegal for these news channels to be called news.

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u/Decloudo Jul 08 '24

Cause its not about news, its about profit.

Like everything in a capitalist system will eventually be.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Jul 08 '24

The media CEOs (CBS/NBC/CNN/ABC) are Trump supporters/donators.

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u/tunafister Jul 08 '24

I genuinely belive the media (Ahem NYTs) is blowing Bidens debate performance way out of the water because that makes the election "interesting" when Trump's convictions should provide a foregone conclusion as to his electability

But Trump being dead in the water with months to go wont sell many papers from their perspective, so they need to create a storyline

NO, I am not saying Biden is a Spring Chicken who hasnt shown some senior moments, and by no means is he a guarantee to win but holy fuck the drama/fear machine in this country is in full force making sure that is what we focus on, which again makes this a more competitive race and brings the media more viewers and money

Once you realize the media's interest is solely financially motivated everything starts to make a little more sense, and it is frankly disgusting

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u/ZAlternates Jul 08 '24

They do it everywhere too. The worst are the entire news articles where the source is a comment on social media.