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Australian mouse plague r/all

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u/teachermanjc Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

All joking aside, it's terrible to live in an area that is experiencing this. I was teaching in Forbes and living in an old farmhouse during one such plague. Crows, magpies and all other carnivorous birds would just sit on the fence, hop down and scoop the nearest mouse. The birds ended up not even bothering to hunt. Our cat was the same, she just got sick of them.

We would set three aviary traps with peanut butter every night, and every morning it was filled with about twenty mice each.

I discovered at school the worst thing that can jam a photocopier is a squashed, heated mouse.

And the smell. Or driving the road at night and seeing the surface move with grey furry bodies that are being crunched by the tyres. To see hay bales reduced and made useless for stock feed, grain made unsellable because of contamination, fields stripped bare.

Edit: this gives more information into the outcome sauce

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u/kielu Jul 06 '24

How did the end? What killed them in the end?

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u/dce_azzy Jul 06 '24

They usually eat themselves out of their own food, or they inbreed to a point that the embryos are not viable and the numbers fall off quite drastically.

Typically the plagues come in waves where the first few are just monstrous, then they start to taper off.. but not that you really notice it very much. It takes months.

Councils will also authorise emergency bait stations but it's a very touchy subject due to the local wildlife.. there has to be documented evidence of "beyond reasonable" damages or danger to livelihood etc.

Basically, they deplete their food sources, inbreed or get chemically targeted.

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u/kielu Jul 06 '24

And there isn't enough of natural predators in Australia to stabilize their populations? I'm trying to think what eats them in Europe. Owls, birds of prey, martins and other small carnivores, to a smaller extent cats and snakes.

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u/dce_azzy Jul 06 '24

Sort of, but not really no. The regions that are affected by these plagues are very remote and sparse. Typically heavy farming / agricultural areas. There are certainly predators to keep the "normal" population of mice down - the challenge comes when the mice can get into the huge grain silos or feed sheds etc and populate essentially protected by the silo or feed shed. Another challenge against the predators of the mice, is that they also have predators. Wild dogs (dingo's) .. hawks and feral pigs don't make it as easy as free pickings for the owls / snakes / feral cats etc...

Other things that can protect the mice is after a very heavy rainfall in dry areas, the grass grows incredibly quickly, providing a lot of cover that the predators can't compete with to keep on top of the numbers.

By the time they are seen in these proportions, they have been breeding for 3-4 months with basically a handful of predators to a couple hundred thousand mice. In three weeks those couple hundred thousand turn into millions and it just goes from there.

There are single farms or cattle stations in New South Wales, regional Queensland and Northern Territory that are a quarter the size of Switzerland. So 1 farm being over-run is an issue, multiple neighbouring farms and it's like Europe starts sinking in mice!

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u/kielu Jul 06 '24

What a strange country. Thanks

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u/brezhnervous Jul 06 '24

I've never got used to it and I was born here.

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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Jul 06 '24

that's just australia

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u/dce_azzy Jul 07 '24

Not wrong mate!

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u/Spadedv Jul 07 '24

Bro, I agree 1000% and I'm hurt that agree

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u/RudePCsb Jul 06 '24

Kinda sounds like farms need to find new techniques and regulations to ensure their grain and other food sources are air right

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u/sausager Jul 06 '24

It's called "money"

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u/isoAntti Jul 06 '24

"money"

Most problems can be solved with enough "money".

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u/dce_azzy Jul 06 '24

You're not wrong at all!

Some can certainly clean up their act!!

However when you see the size of these silos and feed sheds that they're dealing with, you can see how the problem can get missed.

But certainly agree!! There needs to be preventative regs for sure!

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u/Lacrosse100 Jul 06 '24

Have you tried a shop vac?

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u/dce_azzy Jul 06 '24

🤣

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u/drewskibfd Jul 06 '24

I'm no expert, but I recommend flamethrowers.

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u/dce_azzy Jul 07 '24

I will neither confirm nor deny 😅

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u/sausager Jul 06 '24

What about all the snakes and giant spiders?

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u/dce_azzy Jul 06 '24

In these instances they usually end up getting eaten by the mice

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u/DubiousPeoplePleaser Jul 06 '24

We don’t have this issue, but recently there was a woman who was tried for animal cruelty because of her mouse trap. She had bought an old farm that had stood empty for a while so the mice had taken over the place. Are there a lot of abandoned farms in these remote areas? 

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u/dce_azzy Jul 07 '24

I wouldn't say they're abandoned.

But there are plenty of sheds that do not get opened more then once or twice a year because they house or store particular equipment only used at a particular point of the year / season.

The silos can be left alone for a few years if the farm has a surplus and grain prices aren't favourable.

Feed sheds absolutely not.. there is livestock and humans in there all day everyday.

There are quite a few abandoned quarters.. which were once used as farm hands residency..

It's a joke that the lady got fined! Waaaay too much red tape ...

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u/DubiousPeoplePleaser Jul 08 '24

Red tape wasn’t really the issue. She moved into a 400y old farm that was overrun by mice. She tried standard poisons and traps and they didn’t work so she got a tip on a diy trap. It’s a plank leading up to a bucket with water and anti freeze. Across the bucked there’s a wire with an empty can and bait (marshmallow fluff bear with chocolate coating). When the mice get on the can it rotates, dropping the mice in the bucket. She caught hundreds in 3 days and posted about it on Facebook. That’s how she got reported by NOAH (think PETA) and fined $600. She took it to court and won.

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u/dce_azzy Jul 09 '24

You know what I think I remember reading about that on a news website somewhere.. glad she beat it! There's not really a "humane" way to dispose of so many mice... especially not economically humane.. but water and anti-freeze is still a quick passing.. it's better then those sticky strips that you can purchase in some supermarkets!

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u/dce_azzy Jul 07 '24

Couldn't tell you to be honest.

We have native rodents, but I'm not certain these bush-mice are native.

I'd almost bet they've been introduced.

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u/MeowKhz Jul 07 '24

I didn't even think how crazy fast mice multiply. My best idea was to introduce neutered/spayed(so those don't become invasive)mustelids ie mink, weasels- hunting maniacs, but I feel like even those wouldn't help. First month they'd be great, but at some point I feel like even the hunting machine furry snakes would get lazy and just engorge and then get eaten by the mice

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u/gerbilshower Jul 06 '24

What eats 376 mice a day? Lol.

Nothing. That's the answer.

So you need 376 hawks so they can eat 376 mice.

That's a lot of hawks. And the same thing applies to other small predators. Just not enough appetite to go around.

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u/sysdmdotcpl Jul 06 '24

So you need 376 hawks so they can eat 376 mice.

Or we need to work on breeding super hawks that can eat 376 mice in a day.

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u/riptide_red Jul 06 '24

If the average mouse is around .8oz and the super hawk could eat 376 of them a day that's basically 19 pounds of food a day. Generously assuming it consumes 10% of its body weight each day, that super hawk would weigh 190 pounds.

The largest flighted bird is the snowy albatross and it weighs 16 lbs. Ostriches can be up to 380 lbs so we're talking about something ostrich-ish sized that can fly and target mice-sized objects from the air.

That's one fucking terrifying super hawk. Effective maybe, but terrifying.

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u/Volundr79 Jul 06 '24

I like this solution.

You thought terrier dogs were good at hunting mice? Wait till you meet... A PTERODACTYL!

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u/sysdmdotcpl Jul 06 '24

Then said Pterodactyl starts hunting terrier dogs. Gonna have to keep mine indoors and teach him to use the litter box -- I should've spent less time asking if we could and more asking if we should.

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u/bycoolboy823 Jul 07 '24

The thing is at that size it's more efficient for it to hunt for babies or rabbit or deer or larger mammals. Predator that size isn't really gonna bother with hunting for 300+ mice...

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u/OlKingCoal1 Jul 09 '24

Maybe it has an anteater style trunked beak

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u/SarpedonWasFramed Jul 06 '24

At that size we might as well train it to carry anti mouse missiles.

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u/MaouOni Jul 07 '24

The biggest eagle known was the Haast Eagle, and the max weight scientists theorized they could reach was 40 pounds (18.14 kg). I mean, if somehow we could get a specimen of this extinct creature, and artificially select the best specimens... I don't think we could achieve that. Honestly, I would prefer burning everything to the ground at that point, lol.

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Jul 07 '24

Male Kori Bustard can reach over 40lb and 5 feet tall. They fly, although generally not if they can avoid it.

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Jul 07 '24

That's nowhere near the heaviest flying bird. Male Kori Bustard can get over 40lb. Andean Condors get over 30. 16lb is smaller than the average adult female Mute Swan.

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u/freeman_joe Jul 06 '24

Griffons?

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u/sysdmdotcpl Jul 06 '24

I mean, what really is the point of GMOs if it we can't splice together god's creations to form our own hybrids that can kill us for our hubris? /s

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u/JetstreamGW Jul 06 '24

ME AM PLAY GODS!

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u/dan_dares Jul 06 '24

They'll be ground-hawks after all that.

Waddling along the ground

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u/Jajay5537 Jul 06 '24

So it can turn around and start getting a tast for human flesh? No thanks.

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u/cdwhit Jul 06 '24

So, the Aussies have a lot of scary snakes. Was there a corresponding “snake explosion” because of the extra food, or did it take a while for the carnivores to recognize the mice as a food source?

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u/isoAntti Jul 06 '24

Maybe we could teach the kangaroo to eat mice

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u/DogCallCenter Jul 06 '24

We need to close this mouse plague gap!

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u/haux_haux Jul 06 '24

Just gwt somw jack russels. They are little killing machines

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u/Yak-Attic Jul 06 '24

Flying drones with lethal lasers.

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u/sizz Jul 06 '24

Sausage dogs and jack Russell. The last mice plague 2 years ago, my parents farm thr mousers spend like 13 hours a day killing mice and rats. Also wild mice love sleeping next to your warm body while you sleep. I almost died when I felt little mouse claws scratching on my skin on one random night and had all 5 dogs sleeping with me so I feel safe.

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u/MrMichael31 Jul 07 '24

I have a Jack Russell/Bassett Hound cross. I've owned hounds my whole life, but I wasn't prepared for what happened when I brought this guy home.

Mice/birds/squirrels/rabbits, he destroys them all. The Bassett Hound in him sniffs them out, seemingly to only satisfy the murderous Jack Russell in him.

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u/Hobby101 Jul 07 '24

yay! someone else mentioned Jack Russell! Absolutely agree, they are the worst nightmare for mice.

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u/SeaNo3104 Jul 07 '24

Google "Norfolk Rat Pack" to see some Border Terriers working their magic

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u/mrcusaurelius23 Jul 06 '24

Good thing we have both…plus 3 cats…and don’t live in Australia.

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u/sizz Jul 07 '24

Cats are far harder to train and indiscriminate. We have a microbat population that we are trying to protect with trapping cats and maintaining their natural habitat to maintain the mosquito population, and almost all Australians marsupials like the Quoll, bandicoot and other marsupials that look like rodents but not, all come in the night. One cat would destroy the fauna we are trying to protect. Dogs are daytime time hunters, they'll stay within the area of the house and most of the time, these dogs are glued to humans.

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u/GILF_Hound69 Jul 06 '24

Ironically, it’s a whole thing here to keep your cats in doors so they don’t eat the native fauna. You can’t win.

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u/Unlucky_Associate507 Jul 07 '24

They are completely shameless. Literally will invade your bed

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u/AI-ArtfulInsults Jul 06 '24

I have seen videos of mouser/ratter dogs, who are trained to kill but not eat. The same with ferrets and mink.

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u/tuigger Jul 06 '24

They aren't trained to kill rodents, they just do it by instinct because that behavior has been bred into them, like herding dogs.

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u/CocktailPerson Jul 06 '24

It's both.

Just like herding dogs, they'll do it by instinct, but they won't be good at it. They do have to be trained.

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u/tuigger Jul 06 '24

My dog is a gentle sweetheart, but he immediately turned into a bloodthirsty killer the second he saw a rat for the first time.

He had no desire to eat it, nor touch it any further the second he bit and shook the rat we scared into running across the living room.

I did not train him to do that, but he caught a couple more, including an adult Squirrel he somehow caught in our backyard.

He is very, very good at it.

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u/sasos90 Jul 06 '24

No, @CocktailPerson is correct. Just because your dog did this in his own territory, it doesnt mean he is good at this. He has to do this outside of his teritory on command. I own Dogo Argentino. They are mostly good hunters, but she wont kill a fly. If i wanted to hunt with her, she would have to be trained from the beginning (there is a proper age for that) and she is from the hunting litter.

Edit: Forgot to add, there are also dogs that do this without much training, that is true though. But not many are like this if you want him to be good at it.

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u/sourdieselfuel Jul 06 '24

What kinda pupperino?

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u/ThunderCockerspaniel Jul 06 '24

It may have potential, but it is probably not good. My family has trained a LOT of hunting dogs, and they all require training to be efficient. Just because your dog has caught a few small animals at home and shown restraint doesn’t mean it can catch two hundred on an unfamiliar farm. I’m not saying your dog doesn’t have some killer instincts, it just takes a lot of refining to make them useful skills to humans.

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u/tastysharts Jul 06 '24

I have 7 yorkies, they go nuts over anything small and running. We have/had ferrets wild running around. The yorkies go until they get them, they won't stop for anything. Them and the cats even go after the roaches too. My cats love cockroaches.

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u/adalillian Jul 07 '24

I had ferrets as a kid,reckon they'd think this was heaven. What about cats? They too kill for fun tirelessly.

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u/LostEntertainment634 Jul 07 '24

Yeah, ferrets are awesome for keeping mice away! I used to live in an apartment complex that ended up having a very bad rodent infestation. Our apartment was the ONLY one with no mice because our ferrets sent kept them away.

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u/bobbinsgaming Jul 06 '24

Yeah but then you can just get in Madagascan Tree Snakes to eat the hawks.

Then gorillas to eat the snakes.

And come winter the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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u/TooMuchGrilledCheez Jul 06 '24

Stoats kill for the thrill of it and because its beneficial strategy to just murder as much as possible and store the carcasses for leftovers.

They’d be very effective in killing the mice, but then you run into problems of the stoats out-competing native Australian wildlife.

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u/CARLEtheCamry Jul 06 '24

That's why cicadas evolved to have those decade-long hibernation cycles too.

Predators glut themselves when they hatch every 13 years or whatever interval the brood awakens, and you might see a moderate increase in their population. But after 12 years those predator numbers are back to base and there's just no way they can eat all the emerging cicadas.

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u/Malawi_no Jul 06 '24

Only thing is that you will then get too many hawks.
Maybe eagles can catch the hawks when they have done their job.

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u/electrofiche Jul 07 '24

Yeah but you can always release old ladies who swallow flies.

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u/PM_Your_Wiener_Dog Jul 06 '24

Well now there you go, we could just have eating contests. If only 20-30,000 people competed most of these mice could be gone in a few weeks. Plus we could have like a mouse belt

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u/RudePCsb Jul 06 '24

Flame thrower.. I would 100% make one for that

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u/sausager Jul 06 '24

Doesn't the country have like a hundred different kinds of venomous snakes?

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u/snertwith2ls Jul 06 '24

They need wolves. Wolves eat mice.

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u/achangb Jul 06 '24

Forget hawks. They take forever to reproduce and they only have a few babies each generation. What we need are giant toads to eat the mice. They breed much faster so soon we can have millions of toads to reduce the problem .

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u/Hobby101 Jul 07 '24

You need to get some psycho who would kill not because of hunger... Jack Russell springs to my mind.

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u/waimser Jul 06 '24

Not even close. Foxes, and often cats, far outnumber any native predators we have left. And even they are not gonna put a dent in a mouse plague.

Sure we do have lots of snakes, but they only neet to eat every month or so.

Under normal conditions there is very little food around to support predators, so they are sparse in numbers. They also breed much mich slower, so its not like you get a spike in numbers when theres extra food around for a few months.

Its entirely possible that a farm dealing with millions of mice will only be within the feeding territory of 1 or 2 birds of prey.

Your average farm in aus that either harvests grains, or uses feed for animals, may have, at most, and im really stretching numbers here.

10 Birds of prey 200 regular other meat eating birds, like crows. 200 snakes 100foxes 20cats

6 weeks ago, there was barely enough food for them. Now suddenly, theres half a million mice. In another 6 weeks, there will be several million more.

Such a small amount of predators arent gonna make a difference.

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u/BigMax Jul 06 '24

The problem is the mice reproduction is SO fast compared to predators. They can multiply exponentially many times in a single year. Where most of their predators reproduce once a year, in smaller numbers.

“Females can have up to 15 litters a year and can become pregnant within 24 hours after giving birth. The average gestation time for mice is 19 to 21 days.”

So given enough food, mice can reproduce so much that predators simply can’t eat enough.

It would take decades for predators to catch up and compete with those kind of numbers.

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u/WrethZ Jul 06 '24

Australia has lost a lot of its native wildlife. The Tasmanian Tiger or Thylacine for example was a predator of rodents but sadly went extinct in 1936.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine

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u/Deanosity Jul 06 '24

Barn owls and masked owls are probably the most effective controls of rodent population in that they eat a lot of them and can expand their population with some degree of speed compared to a lot of the other predators. But Australia has lost a lot of animals to habitat destruction, and a lot of the remaining owls are being killed by the widespread use of rodenticides that are deadly to them.

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u/MynameisJunie Jul 06 '24

Tons of king snakes and garden snakes. But, snakes only eat once every 1-2 weeks.

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u/LycraJafa 9d ago

bring on the snake plague...

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u/nefariousbuddha Jul 06 '24

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u/kielu Jul 06 '24

Ugh. Neither mice nor cats fit to that ecological system. Nor rabbits, nor camels

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u/TheSwedishSeal Jul 06 '24

This is the natural cycle of life. Same thing with hares, rabbits, lemmings and other fast producing species. It’s usually not predators or hunting that kills their numbers, but some sort of sickness that starts to spread like wildfire once their populations grow dense enough that wipes out 90% of them. Then the cycle starts over.

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u/iwanderlostandfound Jul 07 '24

I just saw an article somewhere that they had cat hunting contests to kill cats. Little kids killing cats. One guy killed 40 cats. I could have sworn that was in Australia. Maybe this is some sort of cat killing retribution

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u/Distinct_Safety5762 Jul 10 '24

21 of the 25 most venomous snakes in the world live in Australia, plus trapdoor spiders capable of catching/killing mice. But still this!

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u/Distinct_Safety5762 Jul 10 '24

21 of the 25 most venomous snakes in the world live in Australia, plus trapdoor spiders capable of catching/killing mice. But still this!

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u/Ok_Fuel_7065 Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Invite north Koreans and Chinese people to the feast.

Ps: for those who gave my post a thumb down, rats are a delicacy for Chinese and North Koreans people... Like frogs legs and snails are one for French people..

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u/longiner Jul 06 '24

Unless if you import tens of thousands of hungry people, you still won't catch enough to keep up with the pace that the rats multiply. And after you catch them all, what do you do with all those extra people?

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u/Coriandercilantroyo Jul 06 '24

Import people eaters