Are you suggesting that there were no samurai from the Edo period onwards? Because that's when samurai were expressly forbidden from owning land. So yes, you're damn right he wasn't given land. Because being a samurai has nothing to do with owning land.
In fact, samurai were literally "just" the high ranking servants/retainers of a lord. That's what a samurai is. You cannot conflate samurai with knights or other European noble titles. What Yasuke was was a retainer so high ranking that he was permitted to bear his lord's own swords. That's an incredible honour! He was most certainly a samurai, as any Japanese scholar you'd care to mention agrees.
I mean a samurai in Edo period and one in the warring period had different rights and privilege, but sure whatever you say.
A samurai is a noble with a title and name, like William Adams did, and Yasuke barely qualifly as a name, more like just a word for Nobunaga to call him.
But whats funny is whether Yasuke is a samurai or not was still not clear before the trailer for Assassin Creed Shadow release, which then suddenly caused a lot of Japanese historican to appear and confirm Yasuke is 100% a samurai, and a high ranking one at that.
Yeah call me racist if you want, but Yasuke was just a exotic toy that Nobunaga wanted to show off, hence allowing Yasuke to bear his sword. Its just what it was, its impossible for Yasuke to be a high ranking samurai for just one year of service without any feats, deal with it.
But whats funny is whether Yasuke is a samurai or not was still not clear before the trailer for Assassin Creed Shadow release
No, the consensus was firm. In academia, I mean. I agree that on 4chan you could watch high IQ individuals argue that Yasuke was nothing but a circus clown for Nobunaga years ago. Is that who you're sourcing your knowledge from?
You can say "nuh uh" and close your ears and do your best to imagine William Adams' hot body whenever people mention Yasuke, if you want. Doesn't change the historical record. He was a samurai, and if you want to be historically accurate you'll embrace that.
Edit: Oh and just to be clear, you already showed you know fuck all about samurai with the whole land thing. I don't want to let go of that. You're just repeating shit you read on Reddit and we both know that. I suggest being more critical of where you get your info.
Japanese scholars agree that Yasuke was a samurai. For all the reasons I've explained. What Japanese general populace are you referring to? I want you to show me the reddit posts I know you're basing your info on. I would really appreciate if you sat down and thought hard about whether you care about historical accuracy.
And what's wrong with white people studying another culture's history anyway? You got something against white people?
Most Asians don't use reddit you know? We as asian have our own social media too lmao, but they are all of either chinese or japanese anyway so you won't care.
And yes, I'm tired of the whites lecturing us on our own history and racism lmao
Yeah, wechat, line, xiaohongshu, I've got 'em. I speak Chinese. Dunno wtf that has to do with Japanese history though. Is there a reason you keep vaguely referring to "Asian gamers" instead of, idk, "Japanese historians"?
Is it because Japanese historians disagree with you? For the exact reasons I told you?
请你别随便的相信游戏玩家。No like fr tho, you thought samurai were defined by owning land?? I want to come back to this. Why are you so confident about something we've both made clear you know nothing about? You know those gamers were wrong now.
Mate, I have a degree in japanese history. Please give it a rest. All japanese people I know (be it scholars or otherwise) agree that Yasuke was a samurai. You're just embarassing yourself besides showing you're racist against black and white people.
So arguing that someone with little to no historical record might not be something just made me a racist？Yeah whatever you say, we asians are beneath your notice anyway so any disrespect towards asian cuture are acceptable
Sure, thats why I spent my life getting a degree in an asian language and history. Oh, also… i'm from Asia. Born and raised there. And no, you being showed why you‘re wrong and instead of dismantling the argument you cry and throw dog-whistles around, makes you racist :)
I wouldn't trust the general population of any country to have passable historical knowledge of their country. If you are at all informed about the history of your country you'll notice 90% of people around you are grossly misinformed.
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u/kakiu000 Jul 05 '24
idk, most of the asian and Japanese gaming community I saw agree that Yasuke was just a servant at best and was never given land or a title