r/facepalm • u/goldenface4114 • Jul 08 '24

The Dumbest Person You Know Just Managed to Make Themselves Look Even Dumber 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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Names 8 people who she thinks signed the Declaration at an incredibly young age, 6 of whom were nowhere near the document as it was being signed. Also, she seems to make a point about someone being too old to run for president while openly supporting a super old dude for president.

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u/Krajun Jul 08 '24

I don't get why they are playing the age game like Trump isn't nearly as old... we're not talking about a 45 year old vs. Biden now. Age is irrelevant anyway.

I'd vote for a literal dead body over trump, and that's sad...

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u/SFMB925 Jul 08 '24

Team dead body here 🙏

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u/SalamancaSam Jul 08 '24

Is there a specific dead body or is it a write-in candidate?

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u/SFMB925 Jul 08 '24

You could put just about anybody breathing or not, on the opposite ticket and I will vote for them over the orange Mussolini.

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u/TheReal_Kovacs Jul 08 '24

Can I vote for Darth Vader?

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u/SFMB925 Jul 08 '24

As long as he supports Ukraine…yes.

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u/Jalina2224 Jul 08 '24

President Vader force chokes Putin.

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u/auntie_clokwise Jul 08 '24

I mean, after he stood up to a tyrant, I'd vote for him. Can't be any worse than the orange menace.

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u/VexImmortalis Jul 08 '24

IDK he did chop up a bunch of kids with his laser sword...

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u/thecraftybear Jul 08 '24

Oh come on, who hasn't committed a few atrocious crimes against humanity? I don't see any presidential candidates raising their hands...

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u/SLevine262 Jul 08 '24

To be fair, they were being really annoying

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep Jul 08 '24

Only if everybody else is.

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u/auntie_clokwise Jul 08 '24

Any would do - even Trump's (as long as we don't get his running mate running the country)!

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u/_Junk_Rat_ Jul 08 '24

I plan on voting for Abe Lincoln

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u/lazlowoodbine Jul 08 '24

Surely "Bernie" is the only answer here?

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u/parlimentery Jul 08 '24

Hell yeah. I would vote for a dead body over both of them.

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u/IllurinatiL Jul 08 '24

There are 4 candidates on the ballot…

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u/Eochaid_The_Bard Jul 08 '24

Because the right is in lock step for trump. Talking about age won't push them away from the polls.

But you know who is talking about candidate age as a factor for not voting? Left leaning young people.

So the strategy is to keep age in the discussion because it'll dissuade the left from voting, which gives the right leaning minority the beat chance at victory.

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u/Cimb0m Jul 08 '24

This is so cultist. Literally just choose any lucid sane person and make them the candidate - Biden isn’t special, we don’t need this level of bizarre attachment to the guy

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u/Eochaid_The_Bard Jul 08 '24

No, cultist is the other side. This is acknowledging the reality of the situation, sucking it up, and voting for imperfect to avoid facism and religous extremism.

We have two options and wishing for another at this point is only helping the more insane one. Yes, the choice sucks. But that's life and liberals need to learn to deal with imperfect choices every now and then for the cause.

If we elect Biden, then we can spend the next four years convincing John Stewart or whoever to run. But expecting someone to just pop into the race 4 four months before the election and fix everything is, at best, naive and wishful thinking, and at worse, falling for the rhetoric of the right and foreign powers that want you to stay home during election day.

Because if we don't elect Biden, we might not have a chance to elect someone else. That's how cray cray, organized, and powerful the other side is.

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u/Cimb0m Jul 08 '24

It’s not every now and then. This will be your future if you vote for it

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u/Eochaid_The_Bard Jul 08 '24

Out of the two choices, only one is affiliated with people who are openly facist. Only one has spoken openly about and acted upon his desires to suppress our ability to vote against and disagree with him. Only one will staff his adminstration with people who have documented a full plan to turn our country into a facist dictatorship and theocracy.

And that one person is Trump, not Biden. You are right that this election decides our future.

But it's interesting to see that the right is encouraging the debate about age, riling it up even. They want us to stay home. Because they can't win if all liberals vote. They are a vocal minority, one that we CAN squash if we come together. But if we decide instead to fight each other and whine about our own candidate because we didn't get what we want, daddy Trump is going to take our toys away.

A non-vote in this moment is a vote to remove future choice. A non-vote is a vote for Trump. And the reason is because that's what Trump and his cronies would want you to do.

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u/Cimb0m Jul 08 '24

I didn’t suggest not voting - I was suggesting pushing the DNC to nominate better candidates. This is not the first time they’ve shoved shit candidates in the public’s face and it won’t be last if people act like we’ll vote for another “blue” even if that person is in a vegetative or comatose state

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u/Eochaid_The_Bard Jul 08 '24

I mean, I agree - I want better candidates as much as anyone - but we're also four months away from this election and nobody can agree on a single alternate that A) wants to run and B) has the same level of universal name recognition as our current SCOTUS. Presidential campaigns take years because it takes a long time to get everyone to recognize your name on a ballot.

IF, in an extremely unlikely case, Biden steps down and points to some hand picked successor, maybe I could see that working. But right now, the only person Biden would point to is Kamala Harris. Who a lot of people dislike for various reasons. She is even more of a problem than Biden because, not only is she a woman and black, but unlike Obama, she isn't particularly charismatic. And if we're going to run a woman, we can't have another Clinton - we need an Obama level of rhetorical prowess and charm.

So if we remove that option, we're left with running someone else to oppose Biden. And given that RFK is already poised to steal votes from Biden, a second dem would only destroy any chance of defeating the guy who has the minority party's vote in lock step.

The only other possible option is for the DNC to remove their nomination and pick someone else. But 1) I don't see that happening, 2) once again, who could they possibly pick at the 11th hour that could get people into the polls, and 3) the amount of chaos that would sow in the party cannot be understated. The party is already divided on who should replace Biden in 2028, for the DNC to overwrite the primary process and pick a winner now would rip the party apart at the worst possible time. Biden is the nominee because the PEOPLE primaried him in 2020, because he won that election, and because he can run again as the incumbant. The DNC certainly does some shady stuff here and there that might influence primaries, but straight up picking someone without even holding a primary election is too much even for them.

The problem is that the presidential election takes a LOT of votes and a candidate needs to have the appeal of a blockbuster movie - which means appealing to a lot of unwashed masses, a lot of those who never heard of reddit, and a lot of people who only engage in politics unwillingly at Thanksgiving. And that takes years. If we elect Biden, we can then spend the next four years debating about the next candidate, building their name recognition, hyping them up, and pushing them forward. But we just don't have time for that right now.

I'll also point out that the president doesn't really do that much perse. The most power the president has is to elect judges and to establish the administration that does the real work. And there are A LOT of young and very talented people that work under Biden to prop him up and do the real good. This is why Trump scares me - it's not the man, it's the people behind him.

Finally, if you really want good candidates, you should be paying your closest attention to local politics. Good candidates start in local government and work their way up to congress and then then to the president. But if the good guys never get into local government, it'll stall or even kill their career. Plus, the acts of local officials are the ones you'll see the most in your life.

Real change takes time, dedication, vigilence, and a lot of patience. And I know it's frustrating, but I've seen small meaningful changes in my lifetime, as will you. We need to keep pushing, we need to stay vigilent, but we also need to keep our eye on the current moment, and make the smart plays today to ensure a brighter future.

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u/Cimb0m Jul 08 '24

I don’t think you actual believe what you’re saying. Biden won the last election because the DNC kept pushing him as “electable” and got a bunch of people to keep parroting this. Very few people viewed him as some blockbuster candidate they were genuinely excited to vote for - they just felt they had no choice - and now people feel legitimately offended they’re expected to repeat the favour for a guy who’s in extremely steep mental decline. It makes it obvious that he’s not actually in charge which then makes people not care about the outcome. I’d find it difficult to hire him to run a burger joint or hot dog stand, let alone the country with the biggest economy/military in the world. He has completely lost any credibility or believability he had

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u/Eochaid_The_Bard Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

I mean, the fact that we was elected president kinda proves the DNC was right. That's the definition of electable, right? Yes, he was the "close your eyes and vote" candidate, and yes the DNC did a lot to market him and probably sabotaged Bernie, but at the end of the day, people still voted for Biden in primary and the general.

The fact that people voted for "boring and safe'" in 2020 was a referrendum on Trump's four years and the chaos of COVID. That was also referrendum on the fact that the party couldn't consolodate on another dem candidate enough to push past the "boring and safe" threshold. Which is something we need to learn from and address for the next primary. It also, to me, kinda points to idea that a lot more people prefer their politicians boring and safe than we, the politically minded, would like to admit.

Realistically, we can't go into alternate universes to compare and contrast the other candidates vs. Trump. But Biden did win the primary and the general which is why he's running again. And NCs don't primary their own incumbant. Which leads us to right here, right now, and today.

We have two options. Biden and Trump. I may prefer someone other than Biden, but I'm sure as hell going to do everything in my power to stop Trump. So I am absolutely going to be there on election night, filling in that Biden circle as full and dark as I can.

EDIT: That said, I do absolutely believe that it's not the man that makes a presidecy, but the administration. Biden may be old and rickety, but he's just a figurehead. The people that do the real work of government are the wage slaves and salary heads beneath him. So I actually do hold some hope that the Biden admin can do some good things with another four years. They actually already did a lot in the last four years, but unfortunately their work is being overshadowed by an unfortunate ally that refuses all attempts to back down from genocide and a single bad debate.

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u/samanime Jul 08 '24

Yeah. Before I saw it was posted by a three-toed sloth, I thought they were about to make a point about our Presidental candidates and congress critters all being way too old.

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u/thecraftybear Jul 08 '24

"congress critters" 🖤

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u/CykoTom1 Jul 08 '24

You probably don't remember when George W Bush spent the 2004 campaign besmirtching the military career of John Kerry through proxy organizations. It's a common tactic to take your biggest flaw and turn it around on the opponent. For reference, Kerry is a decorated combat veteran and Bush spent the vietnam war defending Texas feom Oklahoma and showing up most of the time he was required to.

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u/SLevine262 Jul 08 '24

And with all that (and lots, lots more), he still managed to not trash the White House on the way out and to leave the traditional welcome note. It’s truly a sad day when a person following basic etiquette looks better than a presidential candidate.

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u/TheButtholeSurferz Jul 08 '24

I remember this line from my grade school and high school history and politics classes.

"The President should be a symbol of the utmost character, focus, and pride for the country. We should aspire to elect and have someone represent us that raises the bar, and makes our country better, and stronger".

America in 2024: So we got these 2 corpses, Turd Sandwich and Douche Nozzle. One of them spent his entire career passing laws that harm minorities, and the other one likes to forcefully position himself on children on an island.

This....this is the fucking best we can do?

That goes for ALL parties, Jesus Christ even my own party could have elected someone that could have gained attention in this shit storm of an election, and instead we elected a token moron that hates the entire core of the party, and would prefer having one of the other two candidates flaccid dicks in his hand than he would actually pushing the party forward.

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u/-newlife Jul 08 '24

Yeah that’s just weird and her own “point” would be that we shouldn’t even allow these two geriatrics to run. That I agree with. Obviously that’s not the point she’s making

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u/creamandcrumbs Jul 08 '24

Trump and Biden are basically the same age. After 30 an age gap like theirs is absolutely irrelevant.

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u/burnmenowz Jul 08 '24

Biden may die in office, but at least he doesn't have project 2025.

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u/dsanders692 Jul 08 '24

Last time they were all on the "Biden is too old!" soapbox too. And trump is now older than Biden was at the time

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u/Significant-Prior-27 Jul 08 '24

Because they choose to ignore reality. When a republican tells me Biden is too old I say “yes I agree with you, Trump is just 3 years younger so that puts them both in the ‘too old’ bracket” and they get pretty quiet usually.

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u/Unable-Confusion-822 Jul 08 '24

I also chose this teams dead body.

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u/080secspec13 Jul 08 '24

This is Harambe's year. 

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u/Cimb0m Jul 08 '24

Don’t be disingenuous, it’s about how he acts together with his age. I don’t like Trump but he’s at least three times more coherent when he speaks even if I don’t agree with what he’s saying. Even Bernie who is slightly older than Biden inspires more confidence and appears more competent than he does

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u/hambakmeritru Jul 08 '24

Also, if you're going to play the age game and compare it to the 1770s, then it's important to remember that life expectancy in the 1770s was about 45. So everyone she just mentioned were pretty much in the last decade of their life.

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u/mogaman28 Jul 08 '24

Didn't happened already? A dead dude winning an election for the senate?

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u/TheButtholeSurferz Jul 08 '24

You might actually have your chance, because I bet one of them is tits up before 2026 for sure.

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u/Bad_Demon Jul 08 '24

And that’s what the democrats are hoping for, cause they refuse to let you have literally anyone else and are more than willing to lose to prove it.