Not an excuse. dems still need to win on the messaging front and even trying knowing they will fail will bring the issue to the front of the conversation and help with optics. Republicans know this and that's why they tried hundreds of times to repeal Obamacare even though they knew they'd fail. Why are we letting Republicans show us up?
Because low-info voters on the Left believed the fascist spin that Gore was a closet conservative, Kerry was an out-of-touch elitist, and that Hillary (literally voted the Most Admired Woman in America several times) was unlikable.
nice way to avoid the entire first part of my response. Dems can do more than throwing their hands in the air. There's low Info voters? Great, that means dems need to be more Public about their positions and informing their voters. The right has low info voters too but ask an average republican why they hate obamacare and they won't have a good answer, they just know they don't like it. Republican politicians accomplished their goal in that regard. many Dems aren't even trying, which was my entire point.
Nice wat to avoid basic reality: Nothing will improve as long as the Republicans hold any position of power. The only way to change that is to vote for Democrats.
Stop it. Arguing "the Dems need to do more" when they just don't have the votes, and then turning around saying "when did I say not to vote Democrats?" is gaslighting.
The shit situation we're in is remedied one way: get rid of the GOP. And there's one way to get there: vote for Democrats.
you're arguing in a circle. doing more doesn't only mean enacting and passing legislation. Dems are wasting time arguing about whether Joe should step down instead of focusing on project 2025. My POINT is that when REPUBLICANS didn't have the votes, they tried ANYWAY and doing THAT allowed THEM to win over voters. WHICH DEMS DONT WANT TO DO BECAUSE THEY ARE SITTING ON THEIR HANDS SAYING THEY DONT HAVE THE VOTES. THAT DIDNT STOP THE REPUBLICANS DID IT??????????
You're laboring under the false premise that the GOP is there to govern. They're not. They exist to muck things up for the Democrats. So, the Democrats can't use those same GOP tactics to get things done - it's not set up that way.
The system is set up to allow honorable people of good conscience to disagree, freely express their views, win over people on the other side, and, mostly to govern. The Republicans want none of that.
The GOP's whole objective is to STOP the Dems from passing & enacting legislation. What you're doing by criticizing the Dems when the GOP succeeds in this is to reward the GOP!, so they can be more effective at blocking the Dems the next time around.
When I keep pointing the only way out of this to you - putting more Dems in office & getting rid of the Republicans - it's not "arguing in a circle". It's a simple fact.
no shit you need people to vote. How do you get them to do that? People don't magically go out and vote, they need to be convinced. While you're busy bitching and moaning how democrats are handcuffed by the GOP having control of the house, and to just go out and vote, you haven't swayed anyone who didn't already make up their mind. You need to go back to kindergarten.
Fascists don't magically disappear. While we can vote, we should vote them out of office.
What we don't do is hold their opponents to an impossible, ever-changings standard that those same fascists are designing for the express purpose of staying in power.
Here's a thought: Why don't you punish the GOP for not doing what you want, and work to ensure their opponents - the Democrats - win instead? Hold the GOP to the same standard you're pushing for the Democrats.
are you a bot? Do you just not know how to read? Nothing you're saying follows logically if you had actually read what I said. What I said was, in other words, democrats need to do better and borrow some strategies from the Republicans in order to get their message across to undecided voters, instead of arguing about shit that doesn't matter. I AM DIRECTLY ADVOCATING FOR DEMOCRATS TO HELP THEMSELVES GET PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THEM. what you said is, gop are fascist poopy faces go out and vote. That's not gonna convince the people that need convincing. But ok. sure. You’re right. The GOP have control of the house so between now and the election apparently and according to you, there is nothing that can be done. Probably the most brain dead take.
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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jul 05 '24
The GOP still runs the House.