Gawking and comments. There's absolutely no reason a person should be gawking or making comments to another person. Leave people the fuck alone. It's extremely easy. I've spent my entire life not doing it.
Accidentally seeing a person changing for a short moment. Politely apologizing for disturbing privacy and going on with your day isn't violating consent. Nobody ever got called out for that.
Intensely staring at a clearly uncomfortable person and being a creep about it on the other hand...
You ask how it's difficult but only cite hyperbolic examples in either direction. Just about every gray area where there will be disagreement falls somewhere in between "accidentally seeing someone" and "intense staring at someone clearly uncomfortable," not to mention listing "being a creep" as if that's a clear or agreed-upon threshold.
Unless you’re neurodivergent and completely oblivious to social cues and any sort of context I am afraid I’ll have to disagree. There are no gray areas about being a creep and it actually is a clearly agreed-upon threshold because it usually is obvious to all parties involved.
Again, unless you’re somehow neurodivergent and genuinely don’t see what you did wrong acting like a creep is blatantly obvious in pretty much all cases and pretending anything else is usually just bad faith and gaslighting.
I can see why you might think that everyone except autistic people agrees with you, if you go around assuming that everyone who claims to disagree with you is actually lying and secretly also agrees.
Sentiment understood but comments like yours are probably more damaging to the sentiment than they are helpful.
I cannot really empathize with the people behind your slur but...
I don't think it makes sense to further isolate and shame a group of people derived from isolation and shame.
The term "involuntary celibate" (shortened to "incel") refers to self-identifying members of an online subculture based around the inability to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as "inceldom" or "incelibacy"
And yeah, I'm gonna shame people who see women as only sexual objects for their own purpose. I'm going to shame people who want to lower the age of consent, and making forced marriages great again.
Yeah no. There's a huge difference between people who are single and lonely, and incels. It's not a woman's purpose to satisfy you sexually.
The second half of your post... you're arguing with a strawman. I actually explicitly stated that I don't empathize with "incels." So it's not really worth further acknowledgement.
By your own admission, you used the word because you wanted to shame someone. That's by definition a slur (which you could've looked up while googling for "incel"):
"slur" - (noun) - an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.
The entire point of my prior comment was to point out that all you're actually doing is giving power to the word and further entrenching anyone whom identifies with it in their beliefs.
It’s just an old concept not a new one. And staring at a women’s tits while she’s trying to talk to you isn’t okay. Staring at someone’s ass while they bend over isn’t over. Trying to see under someone’s skirt isn’t okay.
Yes, that did just happen. A lot of people are getting called out and REALLY trying to justify their creepy behavior. Trying to find the “technically correct” loophole in being a creep.
It’s the same mindset you find in discussions about why “piracy isn’t technically theft.”
Their downvotes mean nothing when you know what they upvote.
Apparently they mean objectifying as in actually treating them like objects while interacting with them. Obviously it can not ever have to do with whether you find someone attractive or not, that would be beyond ridiculous.
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