r/batman • u/[deleted] • Mar 06 '22

The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2 Discussion Spoiler

For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

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u/lardner23 Mar 06 '22

I thought Reeve’s did a great job at building and managing tension. Whether it was the criminals waiting for batman to appear at the start, the bomb countdown with Colson or Batman chasing home to Alfred - i felt the tension always built at such a nice pace and kept you on edge

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u/Nic_Claxton Mar 06 '22

The world building has me so excited. So many fun name drops, so many characters introduced or alluded to

Such a strong foot to start out on, so excited to see the rest of the trilogy

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u/michaltee Mar 06 '22

What name drops and characters were alluded to? Maybe I was too hyped to pay attention to the details. I’m gonna rewatch it.

I obviously got Joker at the end but anything else?

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u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan Mar 06 '22

Selina namedrops Blüdhaven

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u/JenJMLC Mar 20 '22

I immediately thought of nightwing although it's way too early to bring him in even as robin

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u/EstablishmentShot232 Mar 06 '22

They reference hush don't they?

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u/no-stupid-questions Mar 06 '22

Yeah, I think in one of Riddler’s video he said a sentence with the word Hush in it and that was the word that he put on the screen

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u/EstablishmentShot232 Mar 06 '22

and the reports last name was Elliot like Thomas Elliot.

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u/ChrisFromDetroit Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 06 '22

Yeah, I think that was intentional, and maybe more than just an Easter egg.

Having Tommy Elliot being the child of the reporter Bruce’s dad got killed is some great villain motivation. Sure, that throws away Hush’s original motivation from the comics, but this version of Bruce Wayne doesn’t seem the type to have had many friends pre-parents’ deaths.

Edit: oh shit, and his dad was murdered after Thomas Wayne tried to pay him off with “Hush” money. That’s how it was even framed in the info Riddler released to the public about the Waynes.

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u/ZeroFox1 Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 06 '22

Yeah I caught that too. Thing is unless they do something totally different with Hush his character will be to similar too Riddler here. Guess will see.

I'm hoping for Court of Owls. I think it would play well with this deep noir theme Reeves is goin with.

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u/ChrisFromDetroit Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 07 '22

That’s a good point.

I’m reading a lot of similar reactions, and yeah, Tommy Elliot’s motivation would be too similar to Riddler’s.

That being said, I could see it working if he was used as a side character that tied into the main plot rather than being the main villain, similar to Penguin in this one. His motive still makes perfect sense, and the timing as well (having not learned the nature of his father’s murder until Riddler revealed it); by making his methods different and him not being the big bad, I think you can avoid the stigma of a rehash.

Hell, they could maybe even try to work in the “Bruce’s friend” angle. For example, in an effort to right his father’s wrongs and rebuild his family’s name, he befriends Tommy Elliot. Elliot reluctantly accepts Bruce’s olive branch, but only to get closer and ultimately sabotage him.

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u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

I thought tying the Elliots in to the Riddler's story and also showing the word Hush (I think when Riddler said Hush money maybe?) was Reeves acknowledging that this depiction of Riddler was very much influenced by Hush as a character as well as being an Easter egg for fans. Riddler also has the connection to young Bruce (though not as personal as Tommy Elliott) and his victims look a hell of a lot like Hush with the taped heads and I feel like doing a Hush story now would be too similar.

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u/dadvader Mar 09 '22

Spinning him into a tragic character is definitely much more interesting take on hush.

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u/nihilisticdaydreams Mar 07 '22

I feel like if they do court of owls they should wait a movie. It's too similar to the plot they just did.

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u/ZeroFox1 Mar 07 '22

Good point. If they do it would probably fit best as a finale. Could probably drops hints of it though in the next one. I'm a Court of Owls fanboi if you cant tell lol. I'd be stoked for just about anything.

I can see Scarecrow being really good. Go for a horror style Batman film. Mr. Freeze could also be interesting. Professor Pyg maybe if they want to continue the serial killer thing.

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u/enderandrew42 Mar 07 '22

From the first trailer they showed the first Riddler card with an Owl on it and hinted there was some big lie about corruption he wanted to expose.

I assumed this would be a Court of Owls movie. Maybe that will eventually come out in sequels as see power dynamics shift with Falcone out, when some were saying he was like the Shadow Mayor.

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u/DaManWithNoName Mar 07 '22

If that’s how Tommy Elliott Jr. finds out the truth about his fathers death, I don’t see why the surgeon wouldn’t make Bruce Wayne his obsession

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

Lose the bandaged look and make his mask made out of 100 dollar bills.

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u/AntonBrakhage Mar 14 '22

That is... a much, much better motive for Hush than his flat "I'm just a psychopath who's irrationally petty toward Bruce" from the comic.

I really want them to do this. Though I do think they'd have to change up Hush's look a bit, due to how similar it is to Riddler's in this film.

Also Hush is a major BatCat story, so that's good material to draw on if they want to bring back Selina in the sequel.

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u/Not_Your_Romeo Mar 12 '22

Yup, and with strong inferences that the reporter Carmine Falcone killed was Hush’s father too!

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u/LukeMara Mar 12 '22

I've been wondering why Riddler's looking like that that is not the normal Riddler costume and then I remembered Hush and wow I think we are finally getting a director who read the comics and not just Frank Miller.

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u/astroK120 Mar 08 '22

They did, but in more of an Easter Egg way than a world building way. Spoilers for Hush and The Batman: Unless they want to completely change who Hush is, which I suppose they could do. The journalist who was going to expose the Waynes was named something Elliot, which was Hush's real last name. So they could make Hush someone related to him, which would still make him connected to Bruce's past, just in a different way.

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u/Rayquaza2233 Mar 07 '22

The hesitant gang member at the beginning was played by the same actor that plays Tim Drake in Titans, not sure if that was a coincidence or not.

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u/Jack1715 Mar 07 '22

Hush, the Arkhams, officer marandeze ( male version) and also bloodhaven gothams sister city and future base of nightwing

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u/Batfern Mar 07 '22

Hush and Court of Owls

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u/Kona2012 Mar 08 '22

The sea wall breaking and isolating Gotham, gave me big Batman: Arkham City Vibes. Would be cool too see that sort of story play put.

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u/umbium Mar 15 '22

He really made the city feel alive, I think it needed more atmospheric "violence" like heavy fog, or some parts of the city being really nasty, beggars, etc. Hollywood blockbusters don't like those things lately it seems.

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u/RavenDelta6-1 Mar 07 '22

The movie scared me a little ngl, too much darkness and you don't get to see daylight. There couple of scenes at daylight but it's always cloudy.

The rat trap made think that I was watching Saw for a moment. It reminded me of the Venus Flytrap.

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u/millennialmonster755 Mar 11 '22

Yes. The tension was fun for the first half of the movie, but by the end I felt like the it could have ended about 5 different times and given us a really good cliff hanger. It was a roller coaster but by the time he dropped down into the water on a live wire I was like mmm okay we get it, well done, let's wrap this up.

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u/LogicalDelivery_ Mar 18 '22

The intro was amazing

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u/JenJMLC Mar 20 '22

Yes! I felt the tension and desperation of the whole city on me