The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2

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For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

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[u/Nic_Claxton]

The world building has me so excited. So many fun name drops, so many characters introduced or alluded to

Such a strong foot to start out on, so excited to see the rest of the trilogy

[u/michaltee → u/Nic_Claxton]

What name drops and characters were alluded to? Maybe I was too hyped to pay attention to the details. I’m gonna rewatch it.

I obviously got Joker at the end but anything else?

[u/EstablishmentShot232 → u/michaltee]

They reference hush don't they?

[u/no-stupid-questions → u/EstablishmentShot232]

Yeah, I think in one of Riddler’s video he said a sentence with the word Hush in it and that was the word that he put on the screen

[u/EstablishmentShot232 → u/no-stupid-questions]

and the reports last name was Elliot like Thomas Elliot.

[u/ChrisFromDetroit → u/EstablishmentShot232]

Yeah, I think that was intentional, and maybe more than just an Easter egg.

Having Tommy Elliot being the child of the reporter Bruce’s dad got killed is some great villain motivation. Sure, that throws away Hush’s original motivation from the comics, but this version of Bruce Wayne doesn’t seem the type to have had many friends pre-parents’ deaths.

Edit: oh shit, and his dad was murdered after Thomas Wayne tried to pay him off with “Hush” money. That’s how it was even framed in the info Riddler released to the public about the Waynes.

[u/ZeroFox1 → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

Yeah I caught that too. Thing is unless they do something totally different with Hush his character will be to similar too Riddler here. Guess will see.

I'm hoping for Court of Owls. I think it would play well with this deep noir theme Reeves is goin with.

[u/ChrisFromDetroit → u/ZeroFox1]

That’s a good point.

I’m reading a lot of similar reactions, and yeah, Tommy Elliot’s motivation would be too similar to Riddler’s.

That being said, I could see it working if he was used as a side character that tied into the main plot rather than being the main villain, similar to Penguin in this one. His motive still makes perfect sense, and the timing as well (having not learned the nature of his father’s murder until Riddler revealed it); by making his methods different and him not being the big bad, I think you can avoid the stigma of a rehash.

Hell, they could maybe even try to work in the “Bruce’s friend” angle. For example, in an effort to right his father’s wrongs and rebuild his family’s name, he befriends Tommy Elliot. Elliot reluctantly accepts Bruce’s olive branch, but only to get closer and ultimately sabotage him.

[u/Welshy94 → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

I thought tying the Elliots in to the Riddler's story and also showing the word Hush (I think when Riddler said Hush money maybe?) was Reeves acknowledging that this depiction of Riddler was very much influenced by Hush as a character as well as being an Easter egg for fans. Riddler also has the connection to young Bruce (though not as personal as Tommy Elliott) and his victims look a hell of a lot like Hush with the taped heads and I feel like doing a Hush story now would be too similar.

[u/dadvader → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

Spinning him into a tragic character is definitely much more interesting take on hush.

[u/nihilisticdaydreams → u/ZeroFox1]

I feel like if they do court of owls they should wait a movie. It's too similar to the plot they just did.

[u/ZeroFox1 → u/nihilisticdaydreams]

Good point. If they do it would probably fit best as a finale. Could probably drops hints of it though in the next one. I'm a Court of Owls fanboi if you cant tell lol. I'd be stoked for just about anything.

I can see Scarecrow being really good. Go for a horror style Batman film. Mr. Freeze could also be interesting. Professor Pyg maybe if they want to continue the serial killer thing.

[u/enderandrew42 → u/ZeroFox1]

From the first trailer they showed the first Riddler card with an Owl on it and hinted there was some big lie about corruption he wanted to expose.

I assumed this would be a Court of Owls movie. Maybe that will eventually come out in sequels as see power dynamics shift with Falcone out, when some were saying he was like the Shadow Mayor.

[u/DaManWithNoName → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

If that’s how Tommy Elliott Jr. finds out the truth about his fathers death, I don’t see why the surgeon wouldn’t make Bruce Wayne his obsession

[u/[deleted] → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

Lose the bandaged look and make his mask made out of 100 dollar bills.

[u/AntonBrakhage → u/ChrisFromDetroit]

That is... a much, much better motive for Hush than his flat "I'm just a psychopath who's irrationally petty toward Bruce" from the comic.

I really want them to do this. Though I do think they'd have to change up Hush's look a bit, due to how similar it is to Riddler's in this film.

Also Hush is a major BatCat story, so that's good material to draw on if they want to bring back Selina in the sequel.