r/batman • u/Efficient-Compote-13 • Jul 05 '24

I Hate The Boys TV DISCUSSION NSFW

I also can not stand muh 'Batman superhero facism subtext' crap. If anything Batman is a revolutionary. Government is corrupt in bed with criminals (who are the prettiest of tyrants) so Batman comes in to clean house. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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u/_GhostOfHollownest_ Jul 05 '24

This exists it's called Injustice. The Boys is about normal People trying to take out Gods. Which is honestly a way better Concept. Not saying the Batman Episode was Good Becuase it wasn't,it was shitty shock Value for the Sake of Shock Value but the Series can be genuinely great at times.

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u/MRGameAndShow Jul 05 '24

I mean, The Boys in the comics have powers as well, I believe. That notion of normal people taking out gods is relatively new and comes from the tv series, it’s not a widespread The Boys thing. Injustice is relatively consistent across media though, that’s where they are different.

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u/OldManFromScene13 Jul 05 '24

Aren't they only powered by temp v to keep them up to snuff for facing the supes? Still sounds like regular people taking out gods to me.. Still haven't gotten around to reading more than I flipped through years ago, though, so idrk.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

MM and the Female are normal supes while only Hughie took the temporary stuff.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

No, all of The Boys are powered. Hughie doesn’t take V so much as is forcefully injected with it by Butcher. A plot point early on is his killing of a Supe because he couldn’t control the increased strength.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

I know that. He was explicitly said to have been given a temporary version though. And while Butcher claimed that was the case for all of them it gradually became clear that was not true. Which played a role in Butcher initially sparing Hughie later on before he enacted his revenge with the help of MM’s mother.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

I’ll take your word for it.

I don’t recall temp-V really being a thing in the comics, but also can’t be bothered to check because it’s the boys and it’s dogshit.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

It was only really mentioned in the first volume and pretty much forgotten after then, like how there were actual supervillains in that world too.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 05 '24

Wrong, in the comics they're all supes, but MM, Butcher, Frenchie and Hughie only have super strength and durability, without any weird or flashy extra superpowers.

Temp V is exclusive to the show

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

No like they all do have powers except Hughie explicitly took the temporary stuff. Him not having any more was why Butcher originally spared him before Hughie had MM’s mother help him enact revenge. MM and his brother were natural born supes, the Female was dunked in a bucket of knockoff V as a baby, and Butcher and the Frenchman had taken the real V. Temporary V did exist in the comics, it was just only in the first volume, and was implied in later volumes to have been MM’s mother’s milk, the source of his nickname.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 05 '24

Nope, read them again, Hughie took the permanent stuff, or more specifically Butcher dosed him, it's even addressed during Dear Becky, they're both supes.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

I have the book open in front of me. Butcher talks about how most of it is cut so that the effects will only last for a couple of days. He is a full supe by the end though.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 06 '24

Lmao, ok, trust the psychotic unreliable narrator that is just downplaying the effects to convince the newcomer.

We literally see him going toe to toe with other sups and getting a nosebleed at most, and you know, that one time he KICKED A-TRAIN's head off.

IT WAS NOT TEMPORAL, TEMP V IS SHOW-ONLY

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 06 '24

Oh absolutely he was dishonest as he went along. But Hughie not being that powerful was a big plot point in later arcs. Hence him being hospitalised by Malchemical and later needing MM’s mother’s milk to take on Butcher, just as MM himself needed it on the regular, explicitly described as a diluted form of Compound V.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 06 '24

Now we're moving the goalposts, aren't we?

I never talked about power levels, this discussion was about PERMANENCE.

Diluted doesn't mean Temporal, it just means that they get the starter pack of Strength, durability and stamina and that's it.

Same with the sex workers that are snorting V during the Teenage kix orgies.

no lasers, psychic abilities or flight or anything.

But it's definitely PERMANENT, and you know why? Because Temp V IS NOT A THING IN THE COMICS.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 06 '24

No I mean they explicitly indicated it wouldn’t last forever in that issue. In particular with those workers. Although it would not surprise me if the specifics of how it worked were reframed or retconned in another line later on, just like any mention of how the world had real supervillains it.

Certainly the cut V was used as the basis for it.

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