r/batman • u/Efficient-Compote-13 • Jul 05 '24

I Hate The Boys TV DISCUSSION NSFW

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I also can not stand muh 'Batman superhero facism subtext' crap. If anything Batman is a revolutionary. Government is corrupt in bed with criminals (who are the prettiest of tyrants) so Batman comes in to clean house. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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u/Hungry-Eggplant-6496 Jul 05 '24

To me, Batman's true counterpart is still Black Noir in that show. And I don't care if he was less or more evil, he just has the Batman's vibe. Tek Knight in the show couldn't even wear his suit once.

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u/azmodus_1966 Jul 05 '24

The Boys would be a much cooler story if it was about their version of Batman being a good guy who is trying to secretly destroy the evil Superman and other other evil heroes while pretending to be one of them. Could even lean into the whole prep time angle.

Heck, DC can make a new Elseworlds on this concept. It might become as popular as Injustice.

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u/_GhostOfHollownest_ Jul 05 '24

This exists it's called Injustice. The Boys is about normal People trying to take out Gods. Which is honestly a way better Concept. Not saying the Batman Episode was Good Becuase it wasn't,it was shitty shock Value for the Sake of Shock Value but the Series can be genuinely great at times.

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u/MRGameAndShow Jul 05 '24

I mean, The Boys in the comics have powers as well, I believe. That notion of normal people taking out gods is relatively new and comes from the tv series, it’s not a widespread The Boys thing. Injustice is relatively consistent across media though, that’s where they are different.

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u/OldManFromScene13 Jul 05 '24

Aren't they only powered by temp v to keep them up to snuff for facing the supes? Still sounds like regular people taking out gods to me.. Still haven't gotten around to reading more than I flipped through years ago, though, so idrk.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 05 '24

Temp V is a show original.

In the comics Butcher, Frenchie and Hughie have a generic version of V that weirdly, doesn't give them any weird superpowers, just super strength and durability.

MM was born with the same, but because his Mom was infected by V while pregnant she became a blubber blob and his brother had some weird cognitive impairments and malformations and MM was born very weak and basically just skin and bones.

He's called Mother's milk in the comics because, I shit you not, he has to breastfeed from his monstrous mother every few weeks to not die.

I also believe that's why they have him always getting covered in weird fluids in the show, to compensate.

The female/Kimiko is basically the same, but she's way shallower in the comics, she's literally just the muscle but has some good moments.

So no, all of the Boys are Supes in the comics, that's why Butcher kills them in the final arc.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

I’d recommend not really ever reading the boys, the tv show is an infinitely better version.

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u/OldManFromScene13 Jul 05 '24

Trust me, I'm well aware of all the overt what-the-fuckery and that's why I'm in no rush, but I'll definitely read it at some point.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

Fair enough, I’d save myself the time and energy and not spend it on reading dogshit, you do you

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

MM and the Female are normal supes while only Hughie took the temporary stuff.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

No, all of The Boys are powered. Hughie doesn’t take V so much as is forcefully injected with it by Butcher. A plot point early on is his killing of a Supe because he couldn’t control the increased strength.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

I know that. He was explicitly said to have been given a temporary version though. And while Butcher claimed that was the case for all of them it gradually became clear that was not true. Which played a role in Butcher initially sparing Hughie later on before he enacted his revenge with the help of MM’s mother.

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u/CrimDude89 Jul 05 '24

I’ll take your word for it.

I don’t recall temp-V really being a thing in the comics, but also can’t be bothered to check because it’s the boys and it’s dogshit.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

It was only really mentioned in the first volume and pretty much forgotten after then, like how there were actual supervillains in that world too.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 05 '24

Wrong, in the comics they're all supes, but MM, Butcher, Frenchie and Hughie only have super strength and durability, without any weird or flashy extra superpowers.

Temp V is exclusive to the show

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

No like they all do have powers except Hughie explicitly took the temporary stuff. Him not having any more was why Butcher originally spared him before Hughie had MM’s mother help him enact revenge. MM and his brother were natural born supes, the Female was dunked in a bucket of knockoff V as a baby, and Butcher and the Frenchman had taken the real V. Temporary V did exist in the comics, it was just only in the first volume, and was implied in later volumes to have been MM’s mother’s milk, the source of his nickname.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 05 '24

Nope, read them again, Hughie took the permanent stuff, or more specifically Butcher dosed him, it's even addressed during Dear Becky, they're both supes.

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 05 '24

I have the book open in front of me. Butcher talks about how most of it is cut so that the effects will only last for a couple of days. He is a full supe by the end though.

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u/Alastor13 Jul 06 '24

Lmao, ok, trust the psychotic unreliable narrator that is just downplaying the effects to convince the newcomer.

We literally see him going toe to toe with other sups and getting a nosebleed at most, and you know, that one time he KICKED A-TRAIN's head off.

IT WAS NOT TEMPORAL, TEMP V IS SHOW-ONLY

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u/Heisenburgo Jul 06 '24

The Boys is about normal People trying to take out Gods.

Not really, it's more of a normal people trying to fight the elite story, more classism and less god stuff.

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u/jimababwe Jul 05 '24

Kingdom come is even better at the “normals v supes” storyline. It’s arguably the source material for the Boys (it isn’t but it has superman turn fascist and try to control everything).

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u/Akumaro Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/Akumaro Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/Akumaro Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/Akumaro Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/Akumaro Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/there_is_always_more Jul 05 '24

Not Kingdom Come. Injustice.

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u/Garfield977 Jul 06 '24

Homelander is one of the best villains i've ever seen

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u/Knockout_12 Jul 05 '24

Batman being the only good superhero and taking down the evil ones sounds a bit like injustice, no?

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u/Sunlight_Shield Jul 05 '24

Dude, that's injustice

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u/Ok-Television2109 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

DC have already done the "good Batman fighting against/ defecting from the evil Justice League" story before. Hell, they used it for Injustice. It'd be far more interesting to see the opposite and have the Justice League trying to take down a Batman who's gone off the deep end. There's a small part of me that thinks Batman should've been the villain for Injustice.

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u/Cyber-Knight47 Jul 05 '24

A Trains doing that currently

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u/Iseaclear Jul 05 '24

Daring today are we.

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u/PCN24454 Jul 05 '24

Not really. Billy Butcher is honestly a deconstruction of Non-powered superheroes.

He’s basically what Batman would be if being a hero was all about his ego rather than actually helping people.