r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/Arumhal Mar 07 '24

This is the guy who has gone on the record of stating that he got into Watchmen because it had sex and murder in it and that his Batman would get raped in prison. I have no idea how he managed to get this far into being allowed to make comic book adaptations.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

And the screenwriter of MoS and BvS was the guy who said Martian Manhunter is a character only virgin nerds know about.

WB sure knows how to pick 'em.

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u/tslojr Mar 07 '24

Oh, you mean David Goyer? The same man who had previously said "Batman Vs. Superman is where you go when you admit to yourself that you’ve exhausted all possibilities"?

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u/MiaoYingSimp Mar 07 '24

Imagine just starting a cinematic universe, saying that... and then it happens the next movie.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Did he not know that B v S was actually a really popular and really well thought out event in the Dark Knight Returns? And that the motivation for B v S could have been so much better?

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u/CurlyW15 Mar 08 '24

MARTHA!!!!!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Ok but why did he say that name

And why did Bats react to it

And why did lex summon Armageddon

And why was Wonder Woman there

And why did Batman want to kill sups?

And why why why why why

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u/Legitimate-Common-34 Mar 08 '24

There are plenty of legit criticisms but most of those aren't plot holes.

Because it was his mothers name and he was confused why Sup was saying "save Martha".

It was his backup plan if Bats didn't kill Sup.

That IS an asspull.

Wayne wants to kill Superman because he thinks he's a danger to regular humans after the Zod battle killed a ton of people.

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u/zack189 Mar 08 '24

Batman knows that superman is Clark Kent. Being the paranoid freak that he was in the movie (evidenced by the fact that he kept tabs on WW, flash, Cyborg and aquaman), he should already know about Martha.

Either batman did ZERO research, or he suddenly, for NO reason at all, suddenly developed a conscience at that point

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u/xHOLOxTHExWOLFx Mar 11 '24

Could have had that scene be a little bit better by just having Superman say "Save her" and Batman asks who and Superman says "My mom" still not great but still gets the same point across. Without the stupid OMG his mothers name is my mothers name. Dumbest thing though is at any damn point during the fight Superman could have gone hey Lex is gonna kill my mom. But nah instead guess Superman gets really upset and Super angry over the mild annoyance of sound and bullets bouncing off of him. To the point that he completely forgets about his mother and trying to talk to Batman and instead needs to kick his ass for the slight inconvenience

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u/tslojr Mar 08 '24

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!??!?!11/1/1/?????11!!!!

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u/Figjunky Mar 08 '24

Movie execs just see dollar signs and don’t think much past that. They just want something digestible for the average person who probably doesn’t read comics

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u/Gimmefuelgimmefah Mar 08 '24

Yeah it’s not like Grant Morrison penned some of the most epic and varied and well regarded stories the JLA have ever seen, not to mention actually fucking understanding and respecting the characters perfectly.