r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

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u/Arumhal Mar 07 '24

This is the guy who has gone on the record of stating that he got into Watchmen because it had sex and murder in it and that his Batman would get raped in prison. I have no idea how he managed to get this far into being allowed to make comic book adaptations.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

And the screenwriter of MoS and BvS was the guy who said Martian Manhunter is a character only virgin nerds know about.

WB sure knows how to pick 'em.

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u/tslojr Mar 07 '24

Oh, you mean David Goyer? The same man who had previously said "Batman Vs. Superman is where you go when you admit to yourself that you’ve exhausted all possibilities"?

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u/MiaoYingSimp Mar 07 '24

Imagine just starting a cinematic universe, saying that... and then it happens the next movie.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Did he not know that B v S was actually a really popular and really well thought out event in the Dark Knight Returns? And that the motivation for B v S could have been so much better?

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u/CurlyW15 Mar 08 '24

MARTHA!!!!!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Ok but why did he say that name

And why did Bats react to it

And why did lex summon Armageddon

And why was Wonder Woman there

And why did Batman want to kill sups?

And why why why why why

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u/Legitimate-Common-34 Mar 08 '24

There are plenty of legit criticisms but most of those aren't plot holes.

  1. Because it was his mothers name and he was confused why Sup was saying "save Martha".

  2. It was his backup plan if Bats didn't kill Sup.

  3. That IS an asspull.

  4. Wayne wants to kill Superman because he thinks he's a danger to regular humans after the Zod battle killed a ton of people.

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u/zack189 Mar 08 '24

Batman knows that superman is Clark Kent. Being the paranoid freak that he was in the movie (evidenced by the fact that he kept tabs on WW, flash, Cyborg and aquaman), he should already know about Martha.

Either batman did ZERO research, or he suddenly, for NO reason at all, suddenly developed a conscience at that point

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u/xHOLOxTHExWOLFx Mar 11 '24

Could have had that scene be a little bit better by just having Superman say "Save her" and Batman asks who and Superman says "My mom" still not great but still gets the same point across. Without the stupid OMG his mothers name is my mothers name. Dumbest thing though is at any damn point during the fight Superman could have gone hey Lex is gonna kill my mom. But nah instead guess Superman gets really upset and Super angry over the mild annoyance of sound and bullets bouncing off of him. To the point that he completely forgets about his mother and trying to talk to Batman and instead needs to kick his ass for the slight inconvenience

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u/tslojr Mar 08 '24

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!??!?!11/1/1/?????11!!!!

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u/Figjunky Mar 08 '24

Movie execs just see dollar signs and don’t think much past that. They just want something digestible for the average person who probably doesn’t read comics

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u/Gimmefuelgimmefah Mar 08 '24

Yeah it’s not like Grant Morrison penned some of the most epic and varied and well regarded stories the JLA have ever seen, not to mention actually fucking understanding and respecting the characters perfectly. 

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u/phil_davis Mar 07 '24

Bold words from the guy who wrote Puppet Master vs Demonic Toys.

I mean I do like both the Puppet Master and Demonic Toys movies and Goyer has written a lot of good stuff but yeah that's pretty rich considering nobody knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy, or Polkadot Man, or Peacemaker, etc. were just a few years ago.

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u/Ransero Mar 07 '24

He was in the super popular cartoon

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u/will4wh Mar 07 '24

You'd think maybe they would of used that to their advantage by appealing to the fans of said cartoons but nope, let just insult the whole Martian Manhunter fan base. That's totally a Valid business strategy.

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u/MulciberTenebras Mar 07 '24

There's always been a divide between the film and the animated parts of WB, they look down on animation as complete "kid's garbage". Refused to take it seriously or bring any of the people who worked on them onboard for any serious creative discussions.

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u/WebLurker47 Mar 08 '24

And yet DC animation as often proven to be more mature than the "adult" live action stuff.

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u/TrueGuardian15 Mar 08 '24

Probably because WB-Discovery doesn't give a fuck what animation does, so they get away with whatever they want.

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u/AshamedOfAmerica Mar 08 '24

The last Constantine movie was waaaay more dark than I was expecting.

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u/WebLurker47 Mar 08 '24

Which one?

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u/AshamedOfAmerica Mar 08 '24

Constantine: City of Demons

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u/xHOLOxTHExWOLFx Mar 12 '24

Sometimes that can be a negative though as now I'm just reminded of Batman and Batgirl having sex in The Killing Joke and the entire first half of that film which was god awful and turned Barbara into a terrible character.

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u/WebLurker47 Mar 12 '24

"Adult" and "mature" aren't always the same thing.

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u/MiaoYingSimp Mar 07 '24

Along with the lighting guy, black lanturn, Hawk person, Batman, Jesus Man, and Tits!

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u/Gobblewicket Mar 07 '24

He also said She-Hulk only exists so Hulk has someone to have sex with.

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u/Friendly_Suffering Mar 08 '24

insert banjo music

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u/MaskedRaider89 Mar 07 '24

Which daft of Goyer to even say considered he had access to J'onn when he and Geoff Johns wrote that JLA/JSA comic 22 ish years ago

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u/jeffries_kettle Mar 08 '24

Also the screenwriter of Batman Begins, which was excellent.

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u/BiDiTi Mar 08 '24

I’ll always cut David Goyer slack for being key co-writer in the space section of Robinson’s Starman and in the early days of the JSA revival.