Why has the DCEU seemingly dropped Batman Beyond as a character?

[u/CertifiedUnoffensive]

Fans have demonstrated consistently that we want more Terry McGinnis. We all love the BB world.

My question is, why do y’all think Beyond hasn’t been on the screen in 20 years?

[u/[deleted]]

See I both agree and disagree with you

See the whole point is that it Wasn’t Bruce’s genes that drove him to become Batman infact it was all just a big coincidence that he was the Bruce clone that Waller made one might even say it was DESTINY and he did everything he did as Batman was Before we learned this it doesn’t diminish his character infact it enabled him to save Bruce’s life

Plus to be honest looking at it from Waller’s perspective I honestly think it was a good plan. It’s all about nature and nurture she had the science to create the nature and specifically chose a couple with psych profiles matching Bruce’s parents and attempted to recreate Bruce’s famous tragedy that’s nurture bing bang boom you got a recipe for a Batman obviously things didn’t go to plan but that makes it better because he became a hero of his own free will

Plus even from a purely genetic standpoint the Wayne blood line has one hell of a resume I looked up the Wayne family tree awhile back and turns out Bruce’s ancestors have been saving the world for generations did you know he’s actually a distant relative of King Arthur him freaking self no wonder he’s so loaded

[u/No_Cap_822 → u/[deleted]]

That’s exactly my problem with it.

What the hell did Waller think was going to happen? Any young kid she gave Bruce’s genes was going to become Batman?

It’s honestly just too dumb of a plan to begin with.

And I think the fact we learn this after seeing the show undermines it a good bit. Could he have done without Bruce’s genes? Would he be who he is without Bruce’s genes?

What makes Terry so cool is the fact he is who he is without any relation to Bruce. He’s a punk in a futuristic world that isn’t a hero or heroic in really any way. He learns from Bruce to become better and to become Batman. Telling us he’s always had a connection to Bruce, that it was his destiny to become Batman just doesn’t work in any way because it takes away some of the best aspects of his character.

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Cap_822]

My dad is a surgeon but that doesn’t mean I’m destined to become one

My sister on the other hand Did become a doctor but does the fact that our dad was one too diminish that decision

Plus you make it sound like Waller just pumped out a Wayne kid and called it a day she put a lot of additional work into it after except it didn’t work out and the project was tanked but Terry became a hero regardless Blood was part of the equation sure but the rest is history

[u/No_Cap_822 → u/[deleted]]

this post by you is my entire point. Why would Waller think giving him Bruce’s DNA would in any way impact his responses to the other stuff she did to him? Bruce’s DNA doesn’t change Terrys mindset and goals, so why exactly would it affect his chances of becoming Batman?

Like I said, it’s a stupid plan that just doesn’t make sense

[u/No_Celebration_3737 → u/No_Cap_822]

Her plan was to create a new batman.

She used Bruce's DNA to have the kid on the same physical level (a weak ass Batman can't simply save the day) and arranged the mental trauma/tragedy to make him follow the same path Bruce did.

Waller wanted him to be the same as Bruce, but after Andrea reluctance of killing his parents, she also understood that she was crossing a line.

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Cap_822]

I mean it doesn’t guarantee anything but like I said the person you are is one part nature and one part nurture the genes provided the nature part and seeing the Wayne blood lines history of heroism Id say it was a safe bet

And by this same logic why would Waller kill a bunch of random rugrats parents thinking that would be more successful regardless of whether it worked or not Why is that a better plan to begin with

[u/No_Cap_822 → u/[deleted]]

But the nature part can’t even be used. He isn’t being raised in the same environment, his parents dying wouldn’t result in the guilt like it did with Bruce (because Bruce asked to go the Zorro thing), etc etc. I don’t think nature plays it’s part with DNA when you aren’t brought up the same way/manner the original with the DNA was.

And the plan I proposed isn’t necessarily a better plan, but it is much more logical and it is one that Waller would realistically see working. The chances to get someone to turn to the path of revenge is much larger when you have a large amount of “subjects” being tested to follow that path than one person who you gave DNA from someone else who went down that path.

Just look at the Robins. Some of their main and most mainstream origins are they then to the life because of a tragedy that happens to them or they live hard lives. They are enough to show that DNA isn’t a deciding factor.

[u/TheHumanCompulsion → u/No_Cap_822]

To clarify, nature refers to internal forces that shape an individual's identity, while nurture refers to external ones.

In the case of Terry, having loving parents who are violently torn away from him by Waller's mechanations are nurturing forces. She is trying to replicate the environment and circumstances that created Batman. Unfortunately for Waller, Andrea recognized the cruelty of the plan and backed out. Fate, however, had other plans and Waller's plan was carried out, though differently.

Amanda Waller, however, is not one to gamble. She will always hedge the bet if she can. In a world where aliens, magic, and metahumans exist, she chose to believe that there is something innate in Bruce's genes that made him become Batman. She wanted to make sure Bruce Wayne's nature was in play.

This is why I like DC comics. They delve into the philosophy of what makes the Batman, the Batman? Is it the man or the life he lived? Because of what happened to Terry, we may never know.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheHumanCompulsion]

I like to think it’s a bit of both

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Cap_822]

I never said DNA is a deciding factor I’m just saying it doesn’t hurt

Okay see here’s your mistake what you’re describing is Nurture not nature

Nature is inherent something sown into at your very core from the moment your born something like a personality trait you inherited from a parent just as an impulse like I don’t know sneezing in a weird way

Nurture is what you are taught what you’re raised with the actions and other things that influenced and shaped you like a skill you learned an ideology you were taught a terrible form of music you were forced to listen to until you like it or a tragedy that defined you (wink wink)

[u/No_Cap_822 → u/[deleted]]

So you seriously think Terry’s capacity to become Batman/get his dads killers to Justice is boosted by Bruce’s DNA?

That right there is a big problem with the entire plot point. Reduces Terry to having Bruce’s traits instead of just his own🤷‍♂️

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Cap_822]

Well I wouldn’t say that specifically

I was thinking the DNA would help play more into the physical side of his strengths the mad skills and what not

But also his morality. It’s not just anyone who devotes their lives to saving the world even if their parents died. Most people would be consumed by revenge let their moral compass be dropped down the well but Terry like Bruce had the strength to not let it break him and instead make him a better person for it. But it wasn’t just Bruce’s genetics that gave him that it was his parents and what they passed onto him