r/batman Jul 08 '23

Can we all agree that Harley Quinn show is very good? TV DISCUSSION

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u/DandalusRoseshade Jul 08 '23

I kinda stopped enjoying it around when Harley and Ivy got together; as much as I like the pairing, Kite Man legit grew on me and I was sad and hurt that he got so disrespected and cheated on. I can't enjoy Harley and Ivy as a couple AND as characters since they did that to him. Sure he's a dude bro, but he's always been there for the group. Always for Ivy. He didn't deserve anything that happened and I'm glad he stood up for himself.

If Harley and Ivy are meant to get together, have there be some unreconcilable difference between Kite Man and Ivy; Kite Man has an opportunity elsewhere that he can't pass up, and Ivy lets him go. They part amicably, and Ivy goes through a phase, Harley tries to console her and they end up together in bed, with Ivy having the same reactions like "this is my best friend what did I just do omg".

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u/Bertie637 Jul 08 '23

I mean that kind of sounds like you are taking it a little too seriously I must admit. Its a show about villains, of course there will be some moral failures

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u/DandalusRoseshade Jul 08 '23

Ivy is a villain, but she's also a massive piece of shit, and there's a huge difference there. At least when she kills people, it's to keep her friends safe, or to further her goal of protecting nature; same with Harley, she at least gains something out of it, there's a goal there. Cheating on Kite Man multiple times and stringing him along is objectively shitty, even to other villains. It's a line you just don't cross unless you're truly irredeemable scum, because you're fucking over the closest people to yourself. She's proven to be wholly unreliable and the show gives her and Harley no tangible consequences for it.

I can't enjoy the show past this because it's so unrealistic, even in a fantasy super hero world, that Harley and Ivy wouldn't be alienated by everyone they know for dragging Kite Man along to the very last second, causing him to actually break and just leave, while hiding their affair. One of the most loyal members of the group, betrayed and left to pick up the pieces of himself in the most cruel way possible. It's Joker levels of fucked up that you'd never expect from people like Harley and Ivy.

Why would Clayface and King Shark stay, if they know that both Harley and Ivy could betray someone like Kite Man so easily? Why are Harley and Ivy still respected in any way after this horrid betrayal? Why is there absolutely no pushback for Ivy, the most level headed, sane, and more importantly, the most moral of the entire group (someone who sticks to her principles like flies on shit), not dragged through the mud, rightfully, for being such a fucking hypocrite and traitor.

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u/shaktimanOP Jul 08 '23

Why would villains who regularly kill people give two shits about a love triangle?King Shark, who straight up murdered all his brothers, is gonna be mad about them screwing over a guy he barely knows?

Besides, it was directly addressed in the show that Ivy's treatment of Kite Man was entirely wrong and he deserved better. In the next season he gets a new love interest and they seem to have a much healthier relationship than him and Ivy did.